Steelers Broke and 4-6, Bengals Division Champs (2 Viewers)

[Beerguzzler]

He also may have cost the Chargers making the playoffs

So you're saying that maybe the Chargers got burned too?

Yes, and I've said so many times.

Definitely was a lose lose situation. Same thing with the Steelers and Wallace. No one is winning there if he has a prolonged hold out.

 

[Godsbrother]

He also may have cost the Chargers making the playoffs

So you're saying that maybe the Chargers got burned too?

Yes, and I've said so many times.

Definitely was a lose lose situation. Same thing with the Steelers and Wallace. No one is winning there if he has a prolonged hold out.

This is a statement I can agree with although I think the Steelers WR situation is a little better than the Chargers was during the VJax holdout.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

He also may have cost the Chargers making the playoffs

So you're saying that maybe the Chargers got burned too?

Yes, and I've said so many times.

Definitely was a lose lose situation. Same thing with the Steelers and Wallace. No one is winning there if he has a prolonged hold out.

This is a statement I can agree with although I think the Steelers WR situation is a little better than the Chargers was during the VJax holdout.

The Chargers situation was the Chargers situation, the question for this situation is how comfy do the Steelers feel sans Wallace?If they were not comfortable they might make a move for a TO or Ocho Cinco or for a Plaxico Burress.

And look at what just came over the Tweeter-sphere.

Ed Bouche just tweeted the Steelers needing a WR to replace Mike Wallace and speculates about signing Plax.

My link

Ed Bouchette

about an hour ago

Plaxico Burress has a big back tax bill. He is unemployed. The #Steelers need a wide receiver to replace Mike Wallace. I'm told Burress wants "too much money" but something has to give and it doesnt look as though Wallace will give in any time soon.

 

[Touchdown There]

Picture of Vincent Jackson losing.

 

[Rick James]

bump Antonio Brown?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

PFT's take.

My link

... the Steelers inexplicably opted not to make an aggressive move with Wallace on June 15 and cut his one-year tender offer by more than $2 million, the Steelers pulled a piss-and-vinegar power play 11 days ago, signing receiver Antonio Brown to the deal that surely would have been available for Wallace.

Now, the ultimate “we’re moving on” moment would come if/when the Steelers sign a replacement. And the replacement could be Burress...

This is exactly how I have seen the situation. The Steelers inexplicably didn't show enough interest in re-signing Wallace and then turned around and in a churlish manner and offered Brown an extension long before they had to and to add insult to injury they rub salt in the wound by cutting the tender offer to Wallace by $2 million and now say he has to sign it and come in and play well before they would even consider re-negotiating.That is not good faith negotiating. It is a power play by the Steelers.

Wallace had out-produced his contract every season he has been in the league. He shouldn't have to come in, for $2 million less than what he felt wasn't acceptable and watch a guy who has only had one good season get an extension, who had never scored or provided the deep threat ability that Mike possesses.

It didn't make sense to me back in March and it doesn't make any sense now but the Steelers have played their only power card. They have nothing else to play other than signing Plaxico Burress.

 

[belljr]

PFT's take.

My link

... the Steelers inexplicably opted not to make an aggressive move with Wallace on June 15 and cut his one-year tender offer by more than $2 million, the Steelers pulled a piss-and-vinegar power play 11 days ago, signing receiver Antonio Brown to the deal that surely would have been available for Wallace.

Now, the ultimate “we’re moving on” moment would come if/when the Steelers sign a replacement. And the replacement could be Burress...

This is exactly how I have seen the situation. The Steelers inexplicably didn't show enough interest in re-signing Wallace and then turned around and in a churlish manner and offered Brown an extension long before they had to and to add insult to injury they rub salt in the wound by cutting the tender offer to Wallace by $2 million and now say he has to sign it and come in and play well before they would even consider re-negotiating.That is not good faith negotiating. It is a power play by the Steelers.

Wallace had out-produced his contract every season he has been in the league. He shouldn't have to come in, for $2 million less than what he felt wasn't acceptable and watch a guy who has only had one good season get an extension, who had never scored or provided the deep threat ability that Mike possesses.

It didn't make sense to me back in March and it doesn't make any sense now but the Steelers have played their only power card. They have nothing else to play other than signing Plaxico Burress.

They didn't cut his tender..

 

[Bracie Smathers]

PFT's take.

My link

... the Steelers inexplicably opted not to make an aggressive move with Wallace on June 15 and cut his one-year tender offer by more than $2 million, the Steelers pulled a piss-and-vinegar power play 11 days ago, signing receiver Antonio Brown to the deal that surely would have been available for Wallace.

Now, the ultimate “we’re moving on” moment would come if/when the Steelers sign a replacement. And the replacement could be Burress...

This is exactly how I have seen the situation. The Steelers inexplicably didn't show enough interest in re-signing Wallace and then turned around and in a churlish manner and offered Brown an extension long before they had to and to add insult to injury they rub salt in the wound by cutting the tender offer to Wallace by $2 million and now say he has to sign it and come in and play well before they would even consider re-negotiating.That is not good faith negotiating. It is a power play by the Steelers.

Wallace had out-produced his contract every season he has been in the league. He shouldn't have to come in, for $2 million less than what he felt wasn't acceptable and watch a guy who has only had one good season get an extension, who had never scored or provided the deep threat ability that Mike possesses.

It didn't make sense to me back in March and it doesn't make any sense now but the Steelers have played their only power card. They have nothing else to play other than signing Plaxico Burress.

They didn't cut his tender..

You're right PFT is wrong.The RFA tender has always been the same.

The Steelers offered Mike an extension and had over $2 million 'more' on the table than what he still has on the table for the RFA tender.

So they did not reduce his tender but they did take over $2 million that they had on the table which is what PFT meant even if they didn't have the verbage correct, the effect is basically the same where over $2 million was snatched off the table.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I don't see it as a "piss-and-vinegar" power play. They offered Wallace a substantial contract. They don't have to offer him what HE thinks he's worth, they have to offer him what THEY think he's worth. He turned it down. They asked him to report to camp and they'd continue negotiating. He decided to hold out. The Steelers, rather than sit on that money, offered it to Brown and locked him up long-term for much less than what Wallace would have cost. It's as simple as that.

If Wallace chooses not to accept that offer, that's his right. But now he needs to operate within the confines of what he's able to do as an RFA, which, for better or for worse, isn't much. He can hold out until week 10, likely ride the pine the rest of the season, hope they don't franchise him, and see what he can fetch on the open market. Unfortunately for him, unless he can find a sugar daddy willing to overpay him, it's not going to be very much more than the $50 million he already turned down.

The Steelers will be fine without him. Everyone predicted doom and gloom when Roethlisberger got suspended a couple seasons back and they came within one fortuitous throw of being 4-0 without him and went to the Super Bowl that same season. No one player is bigger than the team, they've played without Pouncey, without Mendenhall, without Harrison, without Polamalu, etc. They'll survive the loss of Mike Wallace just fine if he chooses not to report/play.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

PFT's take.

My link

... the Steelers inexplicably opted not to make an aggressive move with Wallace on June 15 and cut his one-year tender offer by more than $2 million, the Steelers pulled a piss-and-vinegar power play 11 days ago, signing receiver Antonio Brown to the deal that surely would have been available for Wallace.

Now, the ultimate “we’re moving on” moment would come if/when the Steelers sign a replacement. And the replacement could be Burress...

This is exactly how I have seen the situation. The Steelers inexplicably didn't show enough interest in re-signing Wallace and then turned around and in a churlish manner and offered Brown an extension long before they had to and to add insult to injury they rub salt in the wound by cutting the tender offer to Wallace by $2 million and now say he has to sign it and come in and play well before they would even consider re-negotiating.That is not good faith negotiating. It is a power play by the Steelers.

Wallace had out-produced his contract every season he has been in the league. He shouldn't have to come in, for $2 million less than what he felt wasn't acceptable and watch a guy who has only had one good season get an extension, who had never scored or provided the deep threat ability that Mike possesses.

It didn't make sense to me back in March and it doesn't make any sense now but the Steelers have played their only power card. They have nothing else to play other than signing Plaxico Burress.

They didn't cut his tender and he's listed as the starter on their depth chart released yesterday.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

PFT's take.

My link

... the Steelers inexplicably opted not to make an aggressive move with Wallace on June 15 and cut his one-year tender offer by more than $2 million, the Steelers pulled a piss-and-vinegar power play 11 days ago, signing receiver Antonio Brown to the deal that surely would have been available for Wallace.

Now, the ultimate “we’re moving on” moment would come if/when the Steelers sign a replacement. And the replacement could be Burress...

This is exactly how I have seen the situation. The Steelers inexplicably didn't show enough interest in re-signing Wallace and then turned around and in a churlish manner and offered Brown an extension long before they had to and to add insult to injury they rub salt in the wound by cutting the tender offer to Wallace by $2 million and now say he has to sign it and come in and play well before they would even consider re-negotiating.That is not good faith negotiating. It is a power play by the Steelers.

Wallace had out-produced his contract every season he has been in the league. He shouldn't have to come in, for $2 million less than what he felt wasn't acceptable and watch a guy who has only had one good season get an extension, who had never scored or provided the deep threat ability that Mike possesses.

It didn't make sense to me back in March and it doesn't make any sense now but the Steelers have played their only power card. They have nothing else to play other than signing Plaxico Burress.

They didn't cut his tender..

You're right PFT is wrong.The RFA tender has always been the same.

The Steelers offered Mike an extension and had over $2 million 'more' on the table than what he still has on the table for the RFA tender.

So they did not reduce his tender but they did take over $2 million that they had on the table which is what PFT meant even if they didn't have the verbage correct, the effect is basically the same where over $2 million was snatched off the table.

Their point was that after that date, they had the right to reduce the tender figure since he still hadn't signed it, but they opted not to. That's why the writer was surprised that they then "stuck it to him" by re-upping Brown, even though that wasn't what they were doing at all. They were taking money earmarked for a WR (who frankly, may easily prove to be better) and gave it to a guy that was willing to stay in Pittsburgh long-term for a salary they deemed reasonable and avoided another one of these power plays next year.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Some stinky bait in this thread.

 

[Godsbrother]

Ed Bouchette

about an hour ago

Plaxico Burress has a big back tax bill. He is unemployed. The #Steelers need a wide receiver to replace Mike Wallace. I'm told Burress wants "too much money" but something has to give and it doesnt look as though Wallace will give in any time soon.

Not exactly sure what "has to give". The Steelers and Burress aren't even talking as far as we know.Bouchette must have nothing else to say this morning...

 

[craxie]

Yes, of course. But the odds of that are so low that it isn't worth giving up more than $2M and costing yourself and your teammates a shot at a postseason run. He used stupid logic, and Wallace is doing the same.

I suggest you step back and pause for a moment. He now has $26 million GUARANTEED. Compared to that, $2M is peanuts. Easy for you to say the odds are low, but when 24 MILLION DOLLARS are on the line, how much risk would YOU be willing to tolerate. One wrong hit and POOF it all disappears.Same logic applies to Wallace. I don't know which way he's leaning, but he has to at least consider the VJax contract as a baseline. With that much guaranteed money dangling out there if and only if he remains healthy, it's going to be very tempting to do everything possible to avoid injury.

 

[Tau837]

Yes, of course. But the odds of that are so low that it isn't worth giving up more than $2M and costing yourself and your teammates a shot at a postseason run. He used stupid logic, and Wallace is doing the same.

I suggest you step back and pause for a moment. He now has $26 million GUARANTEED. Compared to that, $2M is peanuts. Easy for you to say the odds are low, but when 24 MILLION DOLLARS are on the line, how much risk would YOU be willing to tolerate. One wrong hit and POOF it all disappears.Same logic applies to Wallace. I don't know which way he's leaning, but he has to at least consider the VJax contract as a baseline. With that much guaranteed money dangling out there if and only if he remains healthy, it's going to be very tempting to do everything possible to avoid injury.

I understand your argument and I stand by my statements.Can you name some players who were 1-2 years from their second contract - their first big payday contract - but suffered major injury and never saw that contract? Out of all of the thousands of NFL players over the years, how many has this scenario happened to?If this is a reasonable approach, why isn't it reasonable for players like Julio Jones and A.J. Green to just skip the first 10 games of every season from now until they become UFAs to avoid the risk of missing out on that big contract due to a serious injury?

 

[Godsbrother]

Yes, of course. But the odds of that are so low that it isn't worth giving up more than $2M and costing yourself and your teammates a shot at a postseason run. He used stupid logic, and Wallace is doing the same.

I suggest you step back and pause for a moment. He now has $26 million GUARANTEED. Compared to that, $2M is peanuts. Easy for you to say the odds are low, but when 24 MILLION DOLLARS are on the line, how much risk would YOU be willing to tolerate. One wrong hit and POOF it all disappears.Same logic applies to Wallace. I don't know which way he's leaning, but he has to at least consider the VJax contract as a baseline. With that much guaranteed money dangling out there if and only if he remains healthy, it's going to be very tempting to do everything possible to avoid injury.

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed. If God forbid he got hit by a bus and suffered a career-ending injury he would get nothing so this is a gamble on his part.I could be wrong but I think Wallace will report before the start of the season. If he waits until after week 11 to report he'll be out $1.7 million dollars and will still be without a guaranteed contract. $1.7 is a far cry from the $10 million he wanted but it still is not chump change, particularly to a young guy.We'll see though -- the ball is clearly in his court...

 

[matttyl]

Can you name some players who were 1-2 years from their second contract - their first big payday contract - but suffered major injury and never saw that contract? Out of all of the thousands of NFL players over the years, how many has this scenario happened to?

Same premise - the relatively EXTREMELY LOW % of men between the ages of 25-45 (who are "relatively healthy") who pass away......so you're saying that none of these men should purchase any life insurance to protect their families financially in the event it does occur?Just because it's a low % doesn't mean it WON'T happen. Wallace is willing to give up (most of) the $2.7M tender this year to improve his odds (no matter how much or little) of getting a larger contract in 2013. He could come out and get hurt, or come out and not produce like he has in the past which would also reduce his value. I can't say that I blame him. I also can't say that I blame the Steelers for the approach they have. It's a tough situation for both.

 

[Touchdown There]

Yes, of course. But the odds of that are so low that it isn't worth giving up more than $2M and costing yourself and your teammates a shot at a postseason run. He used stupid logic, and Wallace is doing the same.

I suggest you step back and pause for a moment. He now has $26 million GUARANTEED. Compared to that, $2M is peanuts. Easy for you to say the odds are low, but when 24 MILLION DOLLARS are on the line, how much risk would YOU be willing to tolerate. One wrong hit and POOF it all disappears.Same logic applies to Wallace. I don't know which way he's leaning, but he has to at least consider the VJax contract as a baseline. With that much guaranteed money dangling out there if and only if he remains healthy, it's going to be very tempting to do everything possible to avoid injury.

I understand your argument and I stand by my statements.Can you name some players who were 1-2 years from their second contract - their first big payday contract - but suffered major injury and never saw that contract? Out of all of the thousands of NFL players over the years, how many has this scenario happened to?If this is a reasonable approach, why isn't it reasonable for players like Julio Jones and A.J. Green to just skip the first 10 games of every season from now until they become UFAs to avoid the risk of missing out on that big contract due to a serious injury?

Players can be fined $30,000 per day. They are under contract. Mike Wallace is not under contract. Not even a comparison.

 

[Touchdown There]

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.

Please stop with the "reports". No one knows what the actual offer on the table was, especially when it comes to guarantees. Mike Wallace was not offered a legitimate contract.

 

[TheFanatic]

Can we start a new thread with substantial and substantiated information only rather than bickering. Ironic coming from me, I know, but hey...

 

[Raider Nation]

https://twitter.com/Wallace17_daKid

Is there a way to see what people are tweeting to Wallace?

In other words, if he doesn't reply to someone directly is there still a way to see what people are writing TO him?

 

[Touchdown There]

$1.7 is a far cry from the $10 million he wanted but it still is not chump change, particularly to a young guy.

I am not sure you are looking at it the way Mike Wallace is looking at it. If Wallace gets a VJax (similar) contract next year as a UFA, the 1.7MM lost is 3.1% of expected revenues. That is chump change. If he is franchised (which I do not think the Steelers will find a way to uncover the funds) it will be around 10.5MM next year guaranteed and then his salary will rise by 20% per year until they let him go as a UFA.

 

[Touchdown There]

Can we start a new thread with substantial and substantiated information only rather than bickering. Ironic coming from me, I know, but hey...

Wallace and the Steelers are not talking to one another. There is no information to report. Can someone find out where the Steelers currently stand with cap space?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.

Please stop with the "reports". No one knows what the actual offer on the table was, especially when it comes to guarantees. Mike Wallace was not offered a legitimate contract.

I'm not sure if I have ever seen anyone contradict himself QUITE that quickly.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Can we start a new thread with substantial and substantiated information only rather than bickering. Ironic coming from me, I know, but hey...

Wallace and the Steelers are not talking to one another. There is no information to report. Can someone find out where the Steelers currently stand with cap space?

Hold on - let me read the thread

 

[voiceofunreason]

He also may have cost the Chargers making the playoffs

So you're saying that maybe the Chargers got burned too?

Yes, and I've said so many times.

Definitely was a lose lose situation. Same thing with the Steelers and Wallace. No one is winning there if he has a prolonged hold out.

This is a statement I can agree with although I think the Steelers WR situation is a little better than the Chargers was during the VJax holdout.

The Chargers situation was the Chargers situation, the question for this situation is how comfy do the Steelers feel sans Wallace?If they were not comfortable they might make a move for a TO or Ocho Cinco or for a Plaxico Burress.

And look at what just came over the Tweeter-sphere.

Ed Bouche just tweeted the Steelers needing a WR to replace Mike Wallace and speculates about signing Plax.

My link

Ed Bouchette

about an hour ago

Plaxico Burress has a big back tax bill. He is unemployed. The #Steelers need a wide receiver to replace Mike Wallace. I'm told Burress wants "too much money" but something has to give and it doesnt look as though Wallace will give in any time soon.

You saw some rumors on twitter? Wow, bank that.

 

[pecorino]

local talk radio today with big ben and then kevin colbert. ben said the offense is progressing nicely with the new OC. he called mike wallace a couple days ago on his birthday and talked some football. wallace claims he is practicing hard, keeping in shape. ben thinks he will be with the team soon. later when kevin colbert was asked about signing plaxico, he gave a diplomatic answer about letting the young guys prove themselves and also looking at cut players from other teams. he made it sound as though plaxico was nowhere near the top of the steelers list. personally, i take colbert's comments with a grain of salt and figure anything can happen there. but i am optimistic about ben's assessment that wallace will sign sooner rather than later.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

Can we start a new thread with substantial and substantiated information only rather than bickering. Ironic coming from me, I know, but hey...

I hate holdouts. We all do I'm sure. I'm usually in favor of the player, which seems to go against the grain. NFL football is my favorite sport because of the players I watch, not the owners. I digress.I love Mike Wallace-drafted him in redrafts the last 2 years and reaped the benefits but this holdout thing will probably keep me from drafting him again. Bummer.

 

[TheFanatic]

local talk radio today with big ben and then kevin colbert. ben said the offense is progressing nicely with the new OC. he called mike wallace a couple days ago on his birthday and talked some football. wallace claims he is practicing hard, keeping in shape. ben thinks he will be with the team soon. later when kevin colbert was asked about signing plaxico, he gave a diplomatic answer about letting the young guys prove themselves and also looking at cut players from other teams. he made it sound as though plaxico was nowhere near the top of the steelers list. personally, i take colbert's comments with a grain of salt and figure anything can happen there. but i am optimistic about ben's assessment that wallace will sign sooner rather than later.

This sort of post does not belong in here. It doesn't compare Wallace to V-Jax once, screw up the actual contracts offered, cite a rumored contract on Twitter, or contradict itself in anyway. You need to move on. No place for these kinds of posts in here...

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.

Please stop with the "reports". No one knows what the actual offer on the table was, especially when it comes to guarantees. Mike Wallace was not offered a legitimate contract.

I'm not sure if I have ever seen anyone contradict himself QUITE that quickly.

Looool

 

[Touchdown There]

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.

Please stop with the "reports". No one knows what the actual offer on the table was, especially when it comes to guarantees. Mike Wallace was not offered a legitimate contract.

I'm not sure if I have ever seen anyone contradict himself QUITE that quickly.

Looool

looooooooooolIf the contract was fair compared to other players of his caliber, he would have signed it. Seems like common sense.

 

[[icon]]

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.

Please stop with the "reports". No one knows what the actual offer on the table was, especially when it comes to guarantees. Mike Wallace was not offered a legitimate contract.

I'm not sure if I have ever seen anyone contradict himself QUITE that quickly.

Looool

looooooooooolIf the contract was fair compared to other players of his caliber, he would have signed it. Seems like common sense.

Good call... No player in the history of ever has overvalued themselves and turned down a fair market value contract. What was he thinking.

 

[Touchdown There]

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.

Please stop with the "reports". No one knows what the actual offer on the table was, especially when it comes to guarantees. Mike Wallace was not offered a legitimate contract.

I'm not sure if I have ever seen anyone contradict himself QUITE that quickly.

Looool

looooooooooolIf the contract was fair compared to other players of his caliber, he would have signed it. Seems like common sense.

Good call... No player in the history of ever has overvalued themselves and turned down a fair market value contract. What was he thinking.

Accurate call, as always. The Steelers are trying to screw Wallace by holding the RFA tag over his head. It is painfully obvious to all but Steelers homers.

 

[Touchdown There]

Here comes Frenchy to hop on the Steelers homers bandwagon....

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.

Please stop with the "reports". No one knows what the actual offer on the table was, especially when it comes to guarantees. Mike Wallace was not offered a legitimate contract.

I'm not sure if I have ever seen anyone contradict himself QUITE that quickly.

Looool

looooooooooolIf the contract was fair compared to other players of his caliber, he would have signed it.

Like a teammate with virtually identical numbers last season, despite playing 300+ fewer snaps?Mike Wallace 72 receptions-1193 yards (16.6 YPC) on 939 snaps

Antonio Brown 69 receptions-1108 yards (16.1 YPC) on 625 snaps

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Here comes Frenchy to hop on the Steelers homers bandwagon....

 

[Shutout]

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.

Please stop with the "reports". No one knows what the actual offer on the table was, especially when it comes to guarantees. Mike Wallace was not offered a legitimate contract.

I'm not sure if I have ever seen anyone contradict himself QUITE that quickly.

Looool

looooooooooolIf the contract was fair compared to other players of his caliber, he would have signed it. Seems like common sense.

70+ arrests and incidents by NFL players this offseason. 20+ because a millionaire wouldn't call a cab. Not sure common sense applies all the time. Report from Bouchette a few weeks ago when Brown signed was that Wallace WAS offered a slightly better contract than Brown and he declined so I think a legit contract WAS offered. He just chose not to accept and that's his right.

I don't think the Steelers got cute and playful with this. I think they just said "well, we can't work this out with Wallace. Let's not put ourselves in the SAME boat next year with Brown. Let's see how practical he is. Well, what do you know..he DOES has some common sense!"

 

[Touchdown There]

It was short of legit, but otherwise good post.

 

[steelcityman]

Steelers might bring back our old buddy Plaxico. I think it kind of makes sense, given 'Lers only have 3 WRs with substantial NFL playing time. I dont want to rely on Derrick Williams or a rookie WR at Denver or Baltimore or Cincy late in a game.

Plax would be cheap, and last year had decent stats with a gimp QB throwing the ball.

 

[[icon]]

Sure but Wallace was reportedly offered a $42 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.

Please stop with the "reports". No one knows what the actual offer on the table was, especially when it comes to guarantees. Mike Wallace was not offered a legitimate contract.

I'm not sure if I have ever seen anyone contradict himself QUITE that quickly.

Looool

looooooooooolIf the contract was fair compared to other players of his caliber, he would have signed it. Seems like common sense.

Good call... No player in the history of ever has overvalued themselves and turned down a fair market value contract. What was he thinking.

Accurate call, as always. The Steelers are trying to screw Wallace by holding the RFA tag over his head. It is painfully obvious to all but Steelers homers.

I have a strong dislike for the Steelers that borders on hatred. Please try again. And you failed to address my point.

Here's a business 101 question for you... who sets market value for a product. The Seller or the Buyer?

 

[Touchdown There]

Mike Wallace 72 receptions-1193 yards (16.6 YPC) on 939 snaps

Antonio Brown 69 receptions-1108 yards (16.1 YPC) on 625 snaps

Stats are so fun.2010:

Mike Wallace 60 receptions-1257 yards (20.95 YPC), 5 rushes for 39 yards

Antonio Brown 19 receptions-167 yards (8.8 YPC)

Where was Mike Wallace's contract extension when he showed up for camp in 2011? How about some hard facts. The Steelers had no money then either. LINK And Wallace was an absolute champ about closing his mouth and having good faith that the Steelers were going to reward him. I mentioned before he is a classy guy and he continues to handle this bad situation well.

I also see you neglect Ben's problems getting Wallace the ball. Link from Feb.

Now take a look at the salary cap numbers from July 15th, 2012 from Pro Football Talk. They used up the rest of this 3.73MM on AB. There is no money left, as I have repeated around 30 times in this thread.

In short, I am looking at this in an unbiased, logical way. Wallace is way better. He brings a unique advantage to an offense. The Steelers cannot afford him and if you are ignoring all the facts, you are just being a homer.

 

[Touchdown There]

Here's a business 101 question for you... who sets market value for a product. The Seller or the Buyer?

Here's a business 101 question for you...define oligopoly.

 

[Touchdown There]

Here's a business 101 question for you... who sets market value for a product. The Seller or the Buyer?

Here's a business 101 question for you...define oligopoly.

Which actually became a monopoly after the deadline passed to acquire Wallace, which would have forced them to give up a first rounder. This is not a free market situation. This is an RFA situation.

 

[pecorino]

local talk radio today with big ben and then kevin colbert. ben said the offense is progressing nicely with the new OC. he called mike wallace a couple days ago on his birthday and talked some football. wallace claims he is practicing hard, keeping in shape. ben thinks he will be with the team soon. later when kevin colbert was asked about signing plaxico, he gave a diplomatic answer about letting the young guys prove themselves and also looking at cut players from other teams. he made it sound as though plaxico was nowhere near the top of the steelers list. personally, i take colbert's comments with a grain of salt and figure anything can happen there. but i am optimistic about ben's assessment that wallace will sign sooner rather than later.

This sort of post does not belong in here. It doesn't compare Wallace to V-Jax once, screw up the actual contracts offered, cite a rumored contract on Twitter, or contradict itself in anyway. You need to move on. No place for these kinds of posts in here...

sorry bout that. also forgot the spoiler alert tag. i'll give myself a timeout over here.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Mike Wallace 72 receptions-1193 yards (16.6 YPC) on 939 snaps

Antonio Brown 69 receptions-1108 yards (16.1 YPC) on 625 snaps

Stats are so fun.2010:

Mike Wallace 60 receptions-1257 yards (20.95 YPC), 5 rushes for 39 yards

Antonio Brown 19 receptions-167 yards (8.8 YPC)

Where was Mike Wallace's contract extension when he showed up for camp in 2011? How about some hard facts. The Steelers had no money then either. LINK And Wallace was an absolute champ about closing his mouth and having good faith that the Steelers were going to reward him. I mentioned before he is a classy guy and he continues to handle this bad situation well.

I also see you neglect Ben's problems getting Wallace the ball. Link from Feb.

Now take a look at the salary cap numbers from July 15th, 2012 from Pro Football Talk. They used up the rest of this 3.73MM on AB. There is no money left, as I have repeated around 30 times in this thread.



In short, I am looking at this in an unbiased, logical way. Wallace is way better. He brings a unique advantage to an offense. The Steelers cannot afford him and if you are ignoring all the facts, you are just being a homer.

Looool

 

[Touchdown There]

Looool

Homer.

 

[JPeso]

Too many pages to go through but I feel obligated to state that Mike Wallace is a far superior player to Antonio Brown, something that seems so crystal clear when watching football. Brown's life will become hell without Wallace opposite him, so even comparing numbers won't get you to right answer, even if there was some way to spin numbers in to Brown's favor.

 

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Looool

Homer.

Its entertaining seeing a guy calling everyone else a homer while running around with a raging hardon for wallace.It's especially funny that the people he's calling "homers" are actually indifferent to or DISLIKE the steelers

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm pretty sure he's doing a sacha baron cohen thing

 

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Here's a business 101 question for you... who sets market value for a product. The Seller or the Buyer?

Here's a business 101 question for you...define oligopoly.

Which actually became a monopoly after the deadline passed to acquire Wallace, which would have forced them to give up a first rounder. This is not a free market situation. This is an RFA situation.

Thanks for assisting me in proving my point. FACT: The market for Wallace did not feel he was worth X dollars... therefore in the current market (limited competition or not) he is simply NOT worth X dollars. If I am asking $5 for a widget in America, but Americans only want to pay $4, it doesn't matter that people in china are willing to pay $5 if I don't have a means to deliver the product there. The product in the current market is only worth $4. If I want to be proud and eat the inventory rather than sell it for $4, that's my decision... but it doesn't mean the product is worth $5. You can throw out all the straw men you want but the fact of the matter is, that Wallace's services are NOT worth what he thinks they are worth in the current marketplace. Wallace is acting like he's in a free market... he's not. Not this year. Not next year. Frankly, I hate the steelers so I'm happy he won't be lining up for them.... but the only person losing out here is Mike Wallace. I find it entertaining when athletes cut off their nose to spite their face.. so I hope this holdout lasts all season.