Steelers Broke and 4-6, Bengals Division Champs (1 Viewer)

[Touchdown There]

I have been right on most accounts, with one exception. I thought the Steelers would trade Wallace, because it is logical to get some draft picks for a top tier guy that you cannot afford. Instead they screwed Wallace to go for the gold this year and karma is a nasty little harlot. Now it is 2013 and Wallace is a UFA. Glaring mismanagement born from ego.

If the Steelers screwed up it was that overvalued Wallace and he underperformed in 2012. I don't remember you predicting that.

Wallace was overvalued at 2.4 million? I don't think so. He was not paid what he was worth because the Steelers are broke and they could not afford him. They got way more than what they paid for. Sorry.

Overvalued from the standpoint in they felt he would play well and contribute to a winning season. The Steelers were dead wrong about that because Wallace did not play anywhere near his potential and admitted during the season he was having problems keeping his focus.And when you consider Torrey Smith made $529k in 2012 and had more yards and the same number of TDs, Mike Williams had more yards and more TDs and made $686K , etc. -- maybe Wallace was fortunate to have made $2.7 Million (not $2.4).

Neither one of the guys you mentioned were free agents last year. You are comparing initial contracts that are mostly bargained in the CBO to a free agent contract. Not apples to apples. Why don't you go ahead and compare Wallace's rookie contract to those guys along with their output in year 1, year 2, etc side by side? That would be apples to apples. Additionally, you hand picked guys for your statistics that had a good year. There are a hundred other receivers that made 600k or so and did not do well at all.

 

[Steeler]

Hell yes, the Steelers will miss him and miss that added dimension to the offense, but at the price he's demanding, you have to determine value.

Your entire post was very good, but this single sentence is a perfect summary of the Wallace situation (and the way the Steelers do business in general).

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I have been right on most accounts, with one exception. I thought the Steelers would trade Wallace, because it is logical to get some draft picks for a top tier guy that you cannot afford. Instead they screwed Wallace to go for the gold this year and karma is a nasty little harlot. Now it is 2013 and Wallace is a UFA. Glaring mismanagement born from ego.

If the Steelers screwed up it was that overvalued Wallace and he underperformed in 2012. I don't remember you predicting that.

Wallace was overvalued at 2.4 million? I don't think so. He was not paid what he was worth because the Steelers are broke and they could not afford him. They got way more than what they paid for. Sorry.

Overvalued from the standpoint in they felt he would play well and contribute to a winning season. The Steelers were dead wrong about that because Wallace did not play anywhere near his potential and admitted during the season he was having problems keeping his focus.And when you consider Torrey Smith made $529k in 2012 and had more yards and the same number of TDs, Mike Williams had more yards and more TDs and made $686K , etc. -- maybe Wallace was fortunate to have made $2.7 Million (not $2.4).

Neither one of the guys you mentioned were free agents last year. You are comparing initial contracts that are mostly bargained in the CBO to a free agent contract. Not apples to apples. Why don't you go ahead and compare Wallace's rookie contract to those guys along with their output in year 1, year 2, etc side by side? That would be apples to apples. Additionally, you hand picked guys for your statistics that had a good year. There are a hundred other receivers that made 600k or so and did not do well at all.

Restricted.And yes, hundreds of guys. In fact the player picked the pick before him '09 was WR Brandon Tate by New England and the pick right after was WR Ramses Barden of the Giants.Wallace made more this year then either of those other guys have made their entire 4 year career.

 

[treat88]

TTD in a nutshell:

1. Someone will definitely pay the first round pick to claim Wallace from his RFA tag. Silence as the tag deadline passes.

2. Steelers will trade Wallace to acquire picks in 2013. Silence as no offers are forthcoming.

3. No way in hell Wallace will play until week 11 if he doesn't get a long term deal. Silence as he reports and plays under the RFA terms.

4. Wallace will blow up and command top tier FA money in the off season. He's a top 10 WR. Silence as he posts his worst season to date.

5. Steelers are broke. Silence as Brown signs a long term 40+ million dollar extension.

6. Check out of his own thread after being wrong on all counts.

7. Start over for 2013.

Stalker is code for pointing out the facts in TTD speak I do believe.

TTD you can keep blathering if you so choose, but you've proven very clearly you don't have even a basic grip of either NFL contracts or the Steelers business model.

 

[Touchdown There]

TTD in a nutshell:1. Someone will definitely pay the first round pick to claim Wallace from his RFA tag. Silence as the tag deadline passes.2. Steelers will trade Wallace to acquire picks in 2013. Silence as no offers are forthcoming.3. No way in hell Wallace will play until week 11 if he doesn't get a long term deal. Silence as he reports and plays under the RFA terms.4. Wallace will blow up and command top tier FA money in the off season. He's a top 10 WR. Silence as he posts his worst season to date.5. Steelers are broke. Silence as Brown signs a long term 40+ million dollar extension.6. Check out of his own thread after being wrong on all counts.7. Start over for 2013.Stalker is code for pointing out the facts in TTD speak I do believe.TTD you can keep blathering if you so choose, but you've proven very clearly you don't have even a basic grip of either NFL contracts or the Steelers business model.

1. I said it was 50/50 that Wallace stays or goes.2. I already covered this one today, so thumbs up on the immediate redundancy. Just because they did not trade Wallace does not mean they shouldn't have. Now the Steelers lose Wallace with no compensation. They shot themselves in the foot. Congratulations on the Steelers management making a terrible move.3. Wallace should not have played. Kudos to him for being a good guy. 4. He will command top tier money and he is a top 10 WR. Shall we have a public wager that he lands top ten WR money this year?5. STEELERS ARE BROKE AND CANNOT AFFORD WALLACE. They can afford lesser quality players, which makes them a lesser quality team.6. I do not have to argue with you daily in order to be right. You are a stalker and I intentionally ignore your direct questions to me. I am glad it drives you nuts.7. 2013 - Welcome to parity in the league. Your team sucks. Thanks for all the laughs in the Steelers thread this year. You guys are a bunch of entitled whiners.

 

[Irish33]

TTD in a nutshell:1. Someone will definitely pay the first round pick to claim Wallace from his RFA tag. Silence as the tag deadline passes.2. Steelers will trade Wallace to acquire picks in 2013. Silence as no offers are forthcoming.3. No way in hell Wallace will play until week 11 if he doesn't get a long term deal. Silence as he reports and plays under the RFA terms.4. Wallace will blow up and command top tier FA money in the off season. He's a top 10 WR. Silence as he posts his worst season to date.5. Steelers are broke. Silence as Brown signs a long term 40+ million dollar extension.6. Check out of his own thread after being wrong on all counts.7. Start over for 2013.Stalker is code for pointing out the facts in TTD speak I do believe.TTD you can keep blathering if you so choose, but you've proven very clearly you don't have even a basic grip of either NFL contracts or the Steelers business model.

1. I said it was 50/50 that Wallace stays or goes.2. I already covered this one today, so thumbs up on the immediate redundancy. Just because they did not trade Wallace does not mean they shouldn't have. Now the Steelers lose Wallace with no compensation. They shot themselves in the foot. Congratulations on the Steelers management making a terrible move.3. Wallace should not have played. Kudos to him for being a good guy. 4. He will command top tier money and he is a top 10 WR. Shall we have a public wager that he lands top ten WR money this year?5. STEELERS ARE BROKE AND CANNOT AFFORD WALLACE. They can afford lesser quality players, which makes them a lesser quality team.6. I do not have to argue with you daily in order to be right. You are a stalker and I intentionally ignore your direct questions to me. I am glad it drives you nuts.7. 2013 - Welcome to parity in the league. Your team sucks. Thanks for all the laughs in the Steelers thread this year. You guys are a bunch of entitled whiners.

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[flc735]

TTD in a nutshell:1. Someone will definitely pay the first round pick to claim Wallace from his RFA tag. Silence as the tag deadline passes.2. Steelers will trade Wallace to acquire picks in 2013. Silence as no offers are forthcoming.3. No way in hell Wallace will play until week 11 if he doesn't get a long term deal. Silence as he reports and plays under the RFA terms.4. Wallace will blow up and command top tier FA money in the off season. He's a top 10 WR. Silence as he posts his worst season to date.5. Steelers are broke. Silence as Brown signs a long term 40+ million dollar extension.6. Check out of his own thread after being wrong on all counts.7. Start over for 2013.Stalker is code for pointing out the facts in TTD speak I do believe.TTD you can keep blathering if you so choose, but you've proven very clearly you don't have even a basic grip of either NFL contracts or the Steelers business model.

1. I said it was 50/50 that Wallace stays or goes.2. I already covered this one today, so thumbs up on the immediate redundancy. Just because they did not trade Wallace does not mean they shouldn't have. Now the Steelers lose Wallace with no compensation. They shot themselves in the foot. Congratulations on the Steelers management making a terrible move.3. Wallace should not have played. Kudos to him for being a good guy. 4. He will command top tier money and he is a top 10 WR. Shall we have a public wager that he lands top ten WR money this year?5. STEELERS ARE BROKE AND CANNOT AFFORD WALLACE. They can afford lesser quality players, which makes them a lesser quality team.6. I do not have to argue with you daily in order to be right. You are a stalker and I intentionally ignore your direct questions to me. I am glad it drives you nuts.7. 2013 - Welcome to parity in the league. Your team sucks. Thanks for all the laughs in the Steelers thread this year. You guys are a bunch of entitled whiners.

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[Evilgrin 72]

It's a waste of time guys. There are people on this board that venture into threads/topics on other teams because they want to get the local/homer take, knowing that fans of a team are more likely to have an intimate knowledge of that team's business practices/schemes, etc. There are others who do the same simply to bait fans of that team. I suspected initially that TT could be one of the latter and I rose to the bait, but his continued "suck it up" posts filled with epithets are evidence that the guy has no desire other than to be "right" and to try to incite Steelers fans into engaging in his style of low-level discourse. He clearly has some beef with the Steelers or Steeler fans and has chosen this forum to air it out.

Someone else will pay Wallace $75 million over 5-6 years and that team's fans will have the privilege of holding their collective breath on almost every downfield completion, knowing that there's a better than 50/50 chance that upon review, the tape will show Wallace either failed to get both feet down or that the ball came loose and touched the turf as he went to the ground. He'll make some splash plays, he'll blow some others. Ultimately, whatever team signs him will realize they spent a significant chunk of their cap on a moderately better version of Willie Gault.

Lost in all this is the fact that the Steelers can still franchise him if they like, and continue to work on a long-term deal, but his performance this year doesn't warrant it. I wouldn't cry if this happens, because he does add a different element to the offense and I would be hopeful he'd bounce back from a really bad year, but likewise, if they let him walk, that's money that could very likely be better spent elsewhere. They have Brown signed long-term now, and the draft could yield another 9-route burner - look at what TY Hilton has done for Indy as a rookie this year. He was the 92nd pick.

 

[fred_1_15301]

TTD in a nutshell:1. Someone will definitely pay the first round pick to claim Wallace from his RFA tag. Silence as the tag deadline passes.2. Steelers will trade Wallace to acquire picks in 2013. Silence as no offers are forthcoming.3. No way in hell Wallace will play until week 11 if he doesn't get a long term deal. Silence as he reports and plays under the RFA terms.4. Wallace will blow up and command top tier FA money in the off season. He's a top 10 WR. Silence as he posts his worst season to date.5. Steelers are broke. Silence as Brown signs a long term 40+ million dollar extension.6. Check out of his own thread after being wrong on all counts.7. Start over for 2013.Stalker is code for pointing out the facts in TTD speak I do believe.TTD you can keep blathering if you so choose, but you've proven very clearly you don't have even a basic grip of either NFL contracts or the Steelers business model.

1. I said it was 50/50 that Wallace stays or goes.2. I already covered this one today, so thumbs up on the immediate redundancy. Just because they did not trade Wallace does not mean they shouldn't have. Now the Steelers lose Wallace with no compensation. They shot themselves in the foot. Congratulations on the Steelers management making a terrible move.3. Wallace should not have played. Kudos to him for being a good guy. 4. He will command top tier money and he is a top 10 WR. Shall we have a public wager that he lands top ten WR money this year?5. STEELERS ARE BROKE AND CANNOT AFFORD WALLACE. They can afford lesser quality players, which makes them a lesser quality team.6. I do not have to argue with you daily in order to be right. You are a stalker and I intentionally ignore your direct questions to me. I am glad it drives you nuts.7. 2013 - Welcome to parity in the league. Your team sucks. Thanks for all the laughs in the Steelers thread this year. You guys are a bunch of entitled whiners.

Based on this post, it sounds like you're the one who has been driven nuts. Feel free to take your ball and go home now.

 

[Copeman]

Wow. TT taking a beating here. And he keeps coming back for more. What a glutton for punishment.

 

[Cookiemonster]

TTD in a nutshell:1. Someone will definitely pay the first round pick to claim Wallace from his RFA tag. Silence as the tag deadline passes.2. Steelers will trade Wallace to acquire picks in 2013. Silence as no offers are forthcoming.3. No way in hell Wallace will play until week 11 if he doesn't get a long term deal. Silence as he reports and plays under the RFA terms.4. Wallace will blow up and command top tier FA money in the off season. He's a top 10 WR. Silence as he posts his worst season to date.5. Steelers are broke. Silence as Brown signs a long term 40+ million dollar extension.6. Check out of his own thread after being wrong on all counts.7. Start over for 2013.Stalker is code for pointing out the facts in TTD speak I do believe.TTD you can keep blathering if you so choose, but you've proven very clearly you don't have even a basic grip of either NFL contracts or the Steelers business model.

1. I said it was 50/50 that Wallace stays or goes.2. I already covered this one today, so thumbs up on the immediate redundancy. Just because they did not trade Wallace does not mean they shouldn't have. Now the Steelers lose Wallace with no compensation. They shot themselves in the foot. Congratulations on the Steelers management making a terrible move.3. Wallace should not have played. Kudos to him for being a good guy. 4. He will command top tier money and he is a top 10 WR. Shall we have a public wager that he lands top ten WR money this year?5. STEELERS ARE BROKE AND CANNOT AFFORD WALLACE. They can afford lesser quality players, which makes them a lesser quality team.6. I do not have to argue with you daily in order to be right. You are a stalker and I intentionally ignore your direct questions to me. I am glad it drives you nuts.7. 2013 - Welcome to parity in the league. Your team sucks. Thanks for all the laughs in the Steelers thread this year. You guys are a bunch of entitled whiners.

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[The Hank]

Fact of the matter is this: If Wallace receives a large contract offer from another team, the Steelers likely receive either a 3rd/4th RD Compensatory draft pick in the 2014 draft (depending on size of contract and other unknown factors).

The Steelers have had success in the 3rd rd in finding WR talent (Emmanuel Sanders, Hines Ward and even Wallace himself were 3rd RD WR draft picks by the Steelers, albeit Sanders and Wallace were the only picks by Colbert).

I trust in Colbert & The Steelers when it comes to decisions like this, because his track record proves he can find WR depth in later RD's (exception being Sweed).

 

[Godsbrother]

Fact of the matter is this: If Wallace receives a large contract offer from another team, the Steelers likely receive either a 3rd/4th RD Compensatory draft pick in the 2014 draft (depending on size of contract and other unknown factors).

Excellent post. No doubt it will be at least a 4th and possibly a 3rd round pick. Another case where TT was wrong:2. I already covered this one today, so thumbs up on the immediate redundancy. Just because they did not trade Wallace does not mean they shouldn't have. Now the Steelers lose Wallace with no compensation. They shot themselves in the foot. Congratulations on the Steelers management making a terrible move.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Fact of the matter is this: If Wallace receives a large contract offer from another team, the Steelers likely receive either a 3rd/4th RD Compensatory draft pick in the 2014 draft (depending on size of contract and other unknown factors). The Steelers have had success in the 3rd rd in finding WR talent (Emmanuel Sanders, Hines Ward and even Wallace himself were 3rd RD WR draft picks by the Steelers, albeit Sanders and Wallace were the only picks by Colbert).I trust in Colbert & The Steelers when it comes to decisions like this, because his track record proves he can find WR depth in later RD's (exception being Sweed).

If it's for the $$ Wallace wants, it will be a 3rd rounder, which is why I mentioned that T.Y. Hilton was a late 3rd (as Wallace was a third)

 

[The Hank]

Fact of the matter is this: If Wallace receives a large contract offer from another team, the Steelers likely receive either a 3rd/4th RD Compensatory draft pick in the 2014 draft (depending on size of contract and other unknown factors). The Steelers have had success in the 3rd rd in finding WR talent (Emmanuel Sanders, Hines Ward and even Wallace himself were 3rd RD WR draft picks by the Steelers, albeit Sanders and Wallace were the only picks by Colbert).I trust in Colbert & The Steelers when it comes to decisions like this, because his track record proves he can find WR depth in later RD's (exception being Sweed).

If it's for the $$ Wallace wants, it will be a 3rd rounder, which is why I mentioned that T.Y. Hilton was a late 3rd (as Wallace was a third)

Ward was #92 OVR pick as well... Wallace was #84 OVR, Sanders #82 OVR

 

[BassNBrew]

Fact of the matter is this: If Wallace receives a large contract offer from another team, the Steelers likely receive either a 3rd/4th RD Compensatory draft pick in the 2014 draft (depending on size of contract and other unknown factors). The Steelers have had success in the 3rd rd in finding WR talent (Emmanuel Sanders, Hines Ward and even Wallace himself were 3rd RD WR draft picks by the Steelers, albeit Sanders and Wallace were the only picks by Colbert).I trust in Colbert & The Steelers when it comes to decisions like this, because his track record proves he can find WR depth in later RD's (exception being Sweed).

If it's for the $$ Wallace wants, it will be a 3rd rounder, which is why I mentioned that T.Y. Hilton was a late 3rd (as Wallace was a third)

Ward was #92 OVR pick as well... Wallace was #84 OVR, Sanders #82 OVR

Yeah...screw you guys. We (Carolina) will burn a second round pick on a WR that will bust and you (Pitt) will draft two guys round three or later that would be starting for our team. Honestly with the way your mgmt finds WRs, they shouldn't ever bother signing one beyond the rookie deal.

 

[The Hank]

Fact of the matter is this: If Wallace receives a large contract offer from another team, the Steelers likely receive either a 3rd/4th RD Compensatory draft pick in the 2014 draft (depending on size of contract and other unknown factors). The Steelers have had success in the 3rd rd in finding WR talent (Emmanuel Sanders, Hines Ward and even Wallace himself were 3rd RD WR draft picks by the Steelers, albeit Sanders and Wallace were the only picks by Colbert).I trust in Colbert & The Steelers when it comes to decisions like this, because his track record proves he can find WR depth in later RD's (exception being Sweed).

If it's for the $$ Wallace wants, it will be a 3rd rounder, which is why I mentioned that T.Y. Hilton was a late 3rd (as Wallace was a third)

Ward was #92 OVR pick as well... Wallace was #84 OVR, Sanders #82 OVR

Yeah...screw you guys. We (Carolina) will burn a second round pick on a WR that will bust and you (Pitt) will draft two guys round three or later that would be starting for our team. Honestly with the way your mgmt finds WRs, they shouldn't ever bother signing one beyond the rookie deal.

Did I mention Antonio Brown was #195 OVR Actually, the Steelers have had their fair share of WR busts too (albeit, it has been a while). The last early rd WR bust really of actual note was Limas Sweed (2008 Draft - #53 OVR 2nd Rd); otherwise you have to go back to either Willie Reid (2006 - #95 OVR), Fred Gibson (2005 - #131 OVR) or Troy Edwards (1999 - #13 OVR)

 

[BassNBrew]

Fact of the matter is this: If Wallace receives a large contract offer from another team, the Steelers likely receive either a 3rd/4th RD Compensatory draft pick in the 2014 draft (depending on size of contract and other unknown factors). The Steelers have had success in the 3rd rd in finding WR talent (Emmanuel Sanders, Hines Ward and even Wallace himself were 3rd RD WR draft picks by the Steelers, albeit Sanders and Wallace were the only picks by Colbert).I trust in Colbert & The Steelers when it comes to decisions like this, because his track record proves he can find WR depth in later RD's (exception being Sweed).

If it's for the $$ Wallace wants, it will be a 3rd rounder, which is why I mentioned that T.Y. Hilton was a late 3rd (as Wallace was a third)

Ward was #92 OVR pick as well... Wallace was #84 OVR, Sanders #82 OVR

Yeah...screw you guys. We (Carolina) will burn a second round pick on a WR that will bust and you (Pitt) will draft two guys round three or later that would be starting for our team. Honestly with the way your mgmt finds WRs, they shouldn't ever bother signing one beyond the rookie deal.

Did I mention Antonio Brown was #195 OVR Actually, the Steelers have had their fair share of WR busts too (albeit, it has been a while). The last early rd WR bust really of actual note was Limas Sweed (2008 Draft - #53 OVR 2nd Rd); otherwise you have to go back to either Willie Reid (2006 - #95 OVR), Fred Gibson (2005 - #131 OVR) or Troy Edwards (1999 - #13 OVR)

Here's our history dating back 15 years...#104 Joe Adams - Not looking promising, 6th on the depth chart.#132 Kealoha Pilares - 7th on the depth chart.#78 Brandon LaFell - Pedestrain WR2/3.#89 Armanti Edwards - Probably will be gone this year, 4th on the depth chart.#198 David Gettis - Bust to date, 5th on the depth chart.#45 DeWayne Jarrett - Huge bust.#118 Ryne Robinson - Bust.#62 Keary Colbert - Bust of epic proportions.#226 Walter Young - Who?#74 Steve Smith - 2001 pick.#106 Donald Hayes - Bust.#27 Rae Carruth - In prison

 

[The Hank]

Fact of the matter is this: If Wallace receives a large contract offer from another team, the Steelers likely receive either a 3rd/4th RD Compensatory draft pick in the 2014 draft (depending on size of contract and other unknown factors). The Steelers have had success in the 3rd rd in finding WR talent (Emmanuel Sanders, Hines Ward and even Wallace himself were 3rd RD WR draft picks by the Steelers, albeit Sanders and Wallace were the only picks by Colbert).I trust in Colbert & The Steelers when it comes to decisions like this, because his track record proves he can find WR depth in later RD's (exception being Sweed).

If it's for the $$ Wallace wants, it will be a 3rd rounder, which is why I mentioned that T.Y. Hilton was a late 3rd (as Wallace was a third)

Ward was #92 OVR pick as well... Wallace was #84 OVR, Sanders #82 OVR

Yeah...screw you guys. We (Carolina) will burn a second round pick on a WR that will bust and you (Pitt) will draft two guys round three or later that would be starting for our team. Honestly with the way your mgmt finds WRs, they shouldn't ever bother signing one beyond the rookie deal.

Did I mention Antonio Brown was #195 OVR Actually, the Steelers have had their fair share of WR busts too (albeit, it has been a while). The last early rd WR bust really of actual note was Limas Sweed (2008 Draft - #53 OVR 2nd Rd); otherwise you have to go back to either Willie Reid (2006 - #95 OVR), Fred Gibson (2005 - #131 OVR) or Troy Edwards (1999 - #13 OVR)

Here's our history dating back 15 years...#104 Joe Adams - Not looking promising, 6th on the depth chart.#132 Kealoha Pilares - 7th on the depth chart.#78 Brandon LaFell - Pedestrain WR2/3.#89 Armanti Edwards - Probably will be gone this year, 4th on the depth chart.#198 David Gettis - Bust to date, 5th on the depth chart.#45 DeWayne Jarrett - Huge bust.#118 Ryne Robinson - Bust.#62 Keary Colbert - Bust of epic proportions.#226 Walter Young - Who?#74 Steve Smith - 2001 pick.#106 Donald Hayes - Bust.#27 Rae Carruth - In prison

You weren't kidding!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It's a waste of time guys. There are people on this board that venture into threads/topics on other teams because they want to get the local/homer take, knowing that fans of a team are more likely to have an intimate knowledge of that team's business practices/schemes, etc. There are others who do the same simply to bait fans of that team. I suspected initially that TT could be one of the latter and I rose to the bait, but his continued "suck it up" posts filled with epithets are evidence that the guy has no desire other than to be "right" and to try to incite Steelers fans into engaging in his style of low-level discourse. He clearly has some beef with the Steelers or Steeler fans and has chosen this forum to air it out.Someone else will pay Wallace $75 million over 5-6 years and that team's fans will have the privilege of holding their collective breath on almost every downfield completion, knowing that there's a better than 50/50 chance that upon review, the tape will show Wallace either failed to get both feet down or that the ball came loose and touched the turf as he went to the ground. He'll make some splash plays, he'll blow some others. Ultimately, whatever team signs him will realize they spent a significant chunk of their cap on a moderately better version of Willie Gault.Lost in all this is the fact that the Steelers can still franchise him if they like, and continue to work on a long-term deal, but his performance this year doesn't warrant it. I wouldn't cry if this happens, because he does add a different element to the offense and I would be hopeful he'd bounce back from a really bad year, but likewise, if they let him walk, that's money that could very likely be better spent elsewhere. They have Brown signed long-term now, and the draft could yield another 9-route burner - look at what TY Hilton has done for Indy as a rookie this year. He was the 92nd pick.

Ignore TT. He's got some issues. Who is his team anyway?

 

[Gawain]

If Wallace had a bad year, what did Antonio Brown have?

My perception of Wallace would have changed more if he still wasn't the leading receiver on the team.

Brown likely was the third receiver on the team. Brown's YPC fell more this year than Wallace's. I don't think this was a case of Wallace blowing, I think the whole Pitt offense had problems, mainly stemming from their O-Line.

 

[Touchdown There]

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[Touchdown There]

Wow. TT taking a beating here. And he keeps coming back for more. What a glutton for punishment.

HOMER

 

[Touchdown There]

Based on this post, it sounds like you're the one who has been driven nuts. Feel free to take your ball and go home now.

Thanks for joining the hyena pack. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=630812&view=findpost&p=15156265

 

[Touchdown There]

Ignore TT. He's got some issues. Who is his team anyway?

Everyone has issues. Some worse than others. Me standing up to they homer hyena pack is a pretty small one.Go Packers.

 

[Touchdown There]

If Wallace had a bad year, what did Antonio Brown have? My perception of Wallace would have changed more if he still wasn't the leading receiver on the team. Brown likely was the third receiver on the team. Brown's YPC fell more this year than Wallace's. I don't think this was a case of Wallace blowing, I think the whole Pitt offense had problems, mainly stemming from their O-Line.

First guy in here that is not in the *Official* Steeler's thread and he actually wants to talk some football.I do not think it was just the oline, or injuries, or Haley's play calling but a combination of all of that. The Steelers would be better off letting Big Ben call half the plays and letting him freestyle.

 

[Godsbrother]

If Wallace had a bad year, what did Antonio Brown have? My perception of Wallace would have changed more if he still wasn't the leading receiver on the team. Brown likely was the third receiver on the team. Brown's YPC fell more this year than Wallace's. I don't think this was a case of Wallace blowing, I think the whole Pitt offense had problems, mainly stemming from their O-Line.

First guy in here that is not in the *Official* Steeler's thread and he actually wants to talk some football.I do not think it was just the oline, or injuries, or Haley's play calling but a combination of all of that. The Steelers would be better off letting Big Ben call half the plays and letting him freestyle.

Most of the Steelers pundits (Gerry Dulac, Dale Lolley and Ed Bouchette) have been saying that the Steelers coaching staff and front office do not believe that having Ben freestyle as much is going to work anymore. Ben will be 31 next season, has taken a beating over the years, and cannot continue to absorb the number of hits he's been taking. This is one of the reasons why Bruce Arians was fired.Todd Haley's plan coming into the season was to shorten the passing routes and get the ball out of Ben's hands quicker. The idea was to lessen the amount of hits on Ben, throw more screens, and take advantage of an excellent receiving corps of Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Miller and Cotchery. It was working too: Ben was having an MVP season, his sack total was way down and the offense was clicking. Then injuries to the offensive line started and continued to occur. When Ben went down for 3 games that pretty much derailed offense for the remainder of the season.Obviously this had an affect on all of the Steelers receivers including Antonio Brownn and Mike Wallace. Brown was further hampered by a high ankle sprain that caused him to miss a month of football that was not fully healed even when he returned. However before his injury he was the Steelers leading receiver in terms of yards and receptions.As far as Mike Wallace goes, of course he was affected by the Todd Haley offense and injuries but he also had a multitude of inexplicable drops and admitted that he lost focus at times. He is still a very talented receiver and the Steelers would love to have him back but they're not going to overspend, especially when they have greater needs at other positions. My guess is that right now they are probably placing a higher priority on re-signing CB Keenan Lewis than Mike Wallace.It appears now that Wallace will likely sign a big contract elsewhere even though he said yesterday that he wanted to remain a Steeler. If he does go I wish him the best as long as he isn't playing against the Steelers or for a division rival.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

If Wallace had a bad year, what did Antonio Brown have? My perception of Wallace would have changed more if he still wasn't the leading receiver on the team. Brown likely was the third receiver on the team. Brown's YPC fell more this year than Wallace's. I don't think this was a case of Wallace blowing, I think the whole Pitt offense had problems, mainly stemming from their O-Line.

Neither guy's dip in YPC concerns me all that much, that's more a function of the offensive playcalling. What bothered me about Wallace is the drops, fumbles, the inability to make a catch on the sideline and get his feet down, etc. If you read the ***official*** Steelers thread, you'll see that refrain over and over - Wallace looked like he was sleepwalking through the season a lot. Whether that was a result of his not fitting in Haley's offense, not giving 100% effort, being worried about his long-term contract, I don't know. Brown didn't have a great year either, but he wasn't as consistently half-###ed as Wallace, and he also had some injuries that dampened his effectiveness for much of the season. Even with the decreased ypc, he upped his catch rate and more than doubled his previous high in TDs (despite missing 3 games.)

 

[Evilgrin 72]

If Wallace had a bad year, what did Antonio Brown have? My perception of Wallace would have changed more if he still wasn't the leading receiver on the team. Brown likely was the third receiver on the team. Brown's YPC fell more this year than Wallace's. I don't think this was a case of Wallace blowing, I think the whole Pitt offense had problems, mainly stemming from their O-Line.

First guy in here that is not in the *Official* Steeler's thread and he actually wants to talk some football.I do not think it was just the oline, or injuries, or Haley's play calling but a combination of all of that. The Steelers would be better off letting Big Ben call half the plays and letting him freestyle.

Stop it. Everyone in here wants to talk football. You can't expect to advance an erroneous agenda over and over, peppering your posts with pithy witticisms like calling Steelers fans "entitled whiners" and not expect to invoke the inevitable vitriol.To the second part of your post, you're pretty much on the money there. I think the offensive scheme limited Wallace's effectiveness more than anything, but his lack of focus, and the injuries to Ben, Brown, and the OL sure didn't help the cause.

 

[Copeman]

Wow. TT taking a beating here. And he keeps coming back for more. What a glutton for punishment.

HOMER

Wow. You got me. Good one.

 

[Tau837]

Ben was having an MVP season, his sack total was way down and the offense was clicking. Then injuries to the offensive line started and continued to occur. When Ben went down for 3 games that pretty much derailed offense for the remainder of the season.

He was? This year? At what point, exactly?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Ben was having an MVP season, his sack total was way down and the offense was clicking. Then injuries to the offensive line started and continued to occur. When Ben went down for 3 games that pretty much derailed offense for the remainder of the season.

He was? This year? At what point, exactly?

Late October to early November.quick Google...

SI/cnn http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/13/ben-roethlisberger/index.html

NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094528/article/ben-roethlisberger-crucial-to-pittsburgh-steelers-success

Chicago Trib http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/11/08/silverman-tillman-roethlisberger-manning-among-top-mvp-candidates-at-halfway-point/

ProFootballWeekly http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/10/09/mvp-meter-steelers-roethlisberger-makes-a-move

Bleacher http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1382691-breaking-down-ben-roethlisbergers-form-at-nfls-midseason-mark

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Ben was having an MVP season, his sack total was way down and the offense was clicking. Then injuries to the offensive line started and continued to occur. When Ben went down for 3 games that pretty much derailed offense for the remainder of the season.

He was? This year? At what point, exactly?

Absolutely. He was playing fantastic football up until he got hurt in the KC game.1st 8 games (pre-injury) : 200/298 (67.1%) - 2,203 yds, 16 TD / 4 INT. His passer rating of 103.7 at that point would have ranked 3rd this season behind Rodgers and Peyton Manning, ahead of Griffin, Brees, Brady, Matt Ryan, etc.

 

[Tau837]

Ben was having an MVP season, his sack total was way down and the offense was clicking. Then injuries to the offensive line started and continued to occur. When Ben went down for 3 games that pretty much derailed offense for the remainder of the season.

He was? This year? At what point, exactly?

Absolutely. He was playing fantastic football up until he got hurt in the KC game.1st 8 games (pre-injury) : 200/298 (67.1%) - 2,203 yds, 16 TD / 4 INT. His passer rating of 103.7 at that point would have ranked 3rd this season behind Rodgers and Peyton Manning, ahead of Griffin, Brees, Brady, Matt Ryan, etc.

Yes, and the Steelers were just 5-3 with losses to the Titans and Raiders. Meanwhile, as you point out, even extrapolating his performance he would have clearly been behind other MVP candidates.I responded to that quote because I wouldn't characterize someone as "was having an MVP season" given he probably wouldn't have finished in the top 3 in the voting. Steelers MVP, sure. NFL MVP,

 

[MAC_32]

Not really sure what Ben having a strong 1st half has to do with Wallace's future prospects.

 

[Godsbrother]

Not really sure what Ben having a strong 1st half has to do with Wallace's future prospects.

It has nothing to do with it. I was just that pointing out that Todd Haley's offense was working pretty well before all of the injuries hit. Here is what Mike Wallace said about the Haley offense:“My role has always been a certain role since I’ve been here, and it changed this year,” Wallace said. “I wasn’t in training camp, so I didn’t really know how the role was going to change. It did change. You’ve got to adjust to it.” “Next year, I’ll definitely have a positive attitude going into it and make the best of the situation and make it a good fit for me, even if I feel it’s not,” he said.When asked if Haley’s ball-control offense was a good fit for him he said: “It’s a decent fit. I think it could be (a good fit) if I have a better mindset going into it, knowing my role exactly going into it before the season now having been in it a whole year, I think it could be a good fit,” Wallace said. “We just have to make some adjustments in this offense. When you’ve never been in it and you just come into it, it’s a little different. Hopefully, if I’m here, I’ll figure it out.”

 

[MAC_32]

Not surprised to read any of that, one of the primary reasons I stayed away from him. Holdout AND a new offense? Recipe for disaster. Only yourself to blame, Mike. He won't be back in Pittsburgh and good luck to whoever signs him. Reminds me way too much of Plax. Loads of physical ability, but lack of care to refining craft will always limit him.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If the Steelers let Mike Wallace walk they won't get anything for Wallace.

They didn't use him to reach the playoffs and didn't squeeze every last drop out of him in the post season as some were assuming.

The organization blew it by not trading him when he held value.

They had a valuable/tradable commodity at one point but got nothing, basically they let that opportunity slip away.

 

[Godsbrother]

Ben was having an MVP season, his sack total was way down and the offense was clicking. Then injuries to the offensive line started and continued to occur. When Ben went down for 3 games that pretty much derailed offense for the remainder of the season.

He was? This year? At what point, exactly?

Absolutely. He was playing fantastic football up until he got hurt in the KC game.1st 8 games (pre-injury) : 200/298 (67.1%) - 2,203 yds, 16 TD / 4 INT. His passer rating of 103.7 at that point would have ranked 3rd this season behind Rodgers and Peyton Manning, ahead of Griffin, Brees, Brady, Matt Ryan, etc.

Yes, and the Steelers were just 5-3 with losses to the Titans and Raiders. Meanwhile, as you point out, even extrapolating his performance he would have clearly been behind other MVP candidates.I responded to that quote because I wouldn't characterize someone as "was having an MVP season" given he probably wouldn't have finished in the top 3 in the voting. Steelers MVP, sure. NFL MVP,

The Steelers were 5-3 because the defense was not playing well at all, not because of the offense. That was the most frustrating part of this season -- early in the year the offense was playing well and the defense was crap, then in the latter part of the season the defense was very good but the offense was stunk. There was only a 2-game stretch where the team was playing well on both sides of the ball.I don't want to argue the MVP comment so I will take it back ( although as BigSteelThrill showed there were some in the national media that were suggesting the possibility). The point is that Ben was having a fine year and the Steelers offense was doing well under Haley's offense. Prior to injuries to Antonio Brown, Roethlisberger and more than half of the offensive line they led the league in third down conversions, were second in time of possession and their scoring was up about a point-and-a-half from the previous season. And that was with a group of players still learning the new offense.

 

[Godsbrother]

If the Steelers let Mike Wallace walk they won't get anything for Wallace.

They didn't use him to reach the playoffs and didn't squeeze every last drop out of him in the post season as some were assuming.

The organization blew it by not trading him when he held value.

They had a valuable/tradable commodity at one point but got nothing, basically they let that opportunity slip away.

As was discussed earlier in the thread, this is not really true. Wallace was available to any team last season for a 1st round draft pick but received no offers. Therefore the best the Steelers could have gotten in a trade was a 2nd round pick, assuming some other team was even offering that. If Wallace gets the big contract that many think he is due the Steelers will likely receive a 3rd round compensatory pick. By holding Wallace to the final season of his contract the Steelers had his services for the 2012 season which, had the season unfolded differently, could have made a difference in a playoff run. And had Wallace put up a monster season they also would still have the option to slap the franchise tag on him for 2013.

The "cost" of this gamble was at best a 2nd round pick vs a 3rd round pick -- I think they did the right thing.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Ben was having an MVP season, his sack total was way down and the offense was clicking. Then injuries to the offensive line started and continued to occur. When Ben went down for 3 games that pretty much derailed offense for the remainder of the season.

He was? This year? At what point, exactly?

Absolutely. He was playing fantastic football up until he got hurt in the KC game.1st 8 games (pre-injury) : 200/298 (67.1%) - 2,203 yds, 16 TD / 4 INT. His passer rating of 103.7 at that point would have ranked 3rd this season behind Rodgers and Peyton Manning, ahead of Griffin, Brees, Brady, Matt Ryan, etc.

Yes, and the Steelers were just 5-3 with losses to the Titans and Raiders. Meanwhile, as you point out, even extrapolating his performance he would have clearly been behind other MVP candidates.I responded to that quote because I wouldn't characterize someone as "was having an MVP season" given he probably wouldn't have finished in the top 3 in the voting. Steelers MVP, sure. NFL MVP,

He was in the conversation at mid-season, for sure. Had the Steelers won 10 games and he finished with 4,400 yards and a 32/8 TD/INT ratio, there's no question he would have been in the mix. Probably wouldn't have won, but he would have been in the top 5, and I believe that's what the OP meant, he was having an "MVP-type season" may have been more apt.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

If the Steelers let Mike Wallace walk they won't get anything for Wallace.They didn't use him to reach the playoffs and didn't squeeze every last drop out of him in the post season as some were assuming.The organization blew it by not trading him when he held value.They had a valuable/tradable commodity at one point but got nothing, basically they let that opportunity slip away.

Any team willing to cough up a first rounder and sign him to the new deal he wanted (1st round pick being the value the Steelers were going to require in a trade) could have done so by signing him to an RFA tender. No one did. The Steelers parting with him before the season for a 2nd or lower would have been viewed as a bad deal. They still hope to sign him long-term, he just has to back off the amount he's asking for. He wants to be paid like a top 5 WR and he doesn't play like one.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Sorry, Hippling Godsbrother here.

 

[Godsbrother]

Sorry, Hippling Godsbrother here.

No problem, EG. You're much more to the point and eloquent than my long-winded meanderings...

 

[MAC_32]

If the Steelers let Mike Wallace walk they won't get anything for Wallace.

They didn't use him to reach the playoffs and didn't squeeze every last drop out of him in the post season as some were assuming.

The organization blew it by not trading him when he held value.

They had a valuable/tradable commodity at one point but got nothing, basically they let that opportunity slip away.

As was discussed earlier in the thread, this is not really true. Wallace was available to any team last season for a 1st round draft pick but received no offers. Therefore the best the Steelers could have gotten in a trade was a 2nd round pick, assuming some other team was even offering that. If Wallace gets the big contract that many think he is due the Steelers will likely receive a 3rd round compensatory pick. By holding Wallace to the final season of his contract the Steelers had his services for the 2012 season which, had the season unfolded differently, could have made a difference in a playoff run. And had Wallace put up a monster season they also would still have the option to slap the franchise tag on him for 2013.

The "cost" of this gamble was at best a 2nd round pick vs a 3rd round pick -- I think they did the right thing.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If the Steelers let Mike Wallace walk they won't get anything for Wallace.

They didn't use him to reach the playoffs and didn't squeeze every last drop out of him in the post season as some were assuming.

The organization blew it by not trading him when he held value.

They had a valuable/tradable commodity at one point but got nothing, basically they let that opportunity slip away.

As was discussed earlier in the thread, this is not really true. Wallace was available to any team last season for a 1st round draft pick but received no offers. Therefore the best the Steelers could have gotten in a trade was a 2nd round pick, assuming some other team was even offering that. If Wallace gets the big contract that many think he is due the Steelers will likely receive a 3rd round compensatory pick. By holding Wallace to the final season of his contract the Steelers had his services for the 2012 season which, had the season unfolded differently, could have made a difference in a playoff run. And had Wallace put up a monster season they also would still have the option to slap the franchise tag on him for 2013.

The "cost" of this gamble was at best a 2nd round pick vs a 3rd round pick -- I think they did the right thing.

No one was going to pay a 1st round pick for him without a contract in place. No one was going to pay a 2nd round pick for him without a contract in place.

No one was going to pay a 3rd round pick for him without a contract in place.

They blew it by not trading him when he still had time on his contract and was making noise about wanting an extension that the Steelers had no intention of paying.

Now you can do your Homer spin all you want. The Steelers won't get a compensentory end of the third round selection because NOW no team will pay top dollar which is how compensentory selections are valued and the highest compensentory pick is the end of the third round.

Repeat END of the third round.

So if the Steelers were not willing to pay him they should have traded him and gotten more than whatever compensentory selection that they will get but it won't be a third (end of the third round) and they easily could have gotten more than a glorified early 4th round pick for him which means they BLEW IT.

 

[MAC_32]

I think the Steelers intended to extend him before his contract expired, they were not prepared to pay the price he demanded though. Understandably caught them by surprise. I thought his demands were ridiculous.

And they will get a comp #3 for him, he will get paid. Mike Wallace is 5x the player Robert Meachem is and look at that contract. Jennings and Bowe will sign first, but Wallace should see the 3rd biggest WR contract in this haul. Given the premium on WR's that will be a pretty penny.

Pittsburgh played this right, Wallace played it wrong.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

without a contract in place. without a contract in place. without a contract in place.

Every team had the option of offering him a contract in all those scenarios.Pittsburgh, on the other hand, could not sign and trade because the bonus money hit would have made it literally impossible.

 

[infantsam]

Looks like a nice thread to post in...

Im OK w/ steelers haters.....all the good teams get that.

AFA wallace - let him go if someone will pay - it's fools gold - take the 3-4th round pick.

Show me the 10 million dollar speed burner on NE, Den, Sea, Houston, GB, Wash, et....ALL. There are a few fast guys - and a TON of 'tough catch' guys.

The idiot does not realize he could have a 10 year career at a good salary on a team that usually has a chance... (in this case until Ben goes in 5-7 years or so)

We need that money to fix other problems and I'd take a 3rd round Ward or Brown any day.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I'd take a 3rd round Ward or Brown any day.

Like Denard Robinson? Cool.