Steve Smith (Carolina) going forward... (1 Viewer)

[finito]

I offered Tory Holt and Hakeem Nicks for Smith and was rejected. I wouldn't consider sweetening the deal as I believe this is more than fair given Smith's production to date. Smith at this point is no more than a roll of the dice. Seems to me many owners would rather live or die with Smith, rather than accept less than ideal value for a wr taken by many in the 2nd round. Would be interested to know what Smith owners think of above offer. PS, I have MSW and wouldn't even consider dealing him for Smith.

Its basically Nicks for Smith. I dont think Id accept that but Id def think about it.

Holt has shown signs of life recently, with games of 7 for 95 and 5 for 101. He's a playable #3 fantasy WR right now, I don't think he's a throw-in.

 

[Oscar]

NOt sure I can start him this week. I've been very optimistic but that one catch last week is awful.

So right now I'm trying to decide on which 2 to start: Smith, Clinton Portis, Miles Austin, and Donald Brown

Never thought that I would ever bench Steve Smith when I drafted him.

 

[Ralph Furley]

I offered Tory Holt and Hakeem Nicks for Smith and was rejected. I wouldn't consider sweetening the deal as I believe this is more than fair given Smith's production to date. Smith at this point is no more than a roll of the dice. Seems to me many owners would rather live or die with Smith, rather than accept less than ideal value for a wr taken by many in the 2nd round. Would be interested to know what Smith owners think of above offer. PS, I have MSW and wouldn't even consider dealing him for Smith.

Its basically Nicks for Smith. I dont think Id accept that but Id def think about it.

It may not be the most exciting offer in the world, but it is more than Nicks for Smith. Holt has outperformed Smith every week this year save for week 2. In addition, Holt is 10th and 15th in the NFL in receiving yards and receptions, while Smith is 31st and 37th overall.

 

[Ray_T]

I offered Ray Rice and Braylon Edwards for him, the team owner said no. So I don't think everyone is panicking.

I'm not panicking, but I am definitely concerned.I did have a guy offer me MEGATRON for SS and Cedric Benson. I laughed at him.But obviously, people realize his value is in the toilet.I'm just wondering if people are EXPECTING, and not hoping, for a serious rebound into the Top 10 by seasons end?

well, he has a long history of good production regardless of the quality of QB.He also had what was called a minor injury which I expect was a little more than minor. I think that was the problem.I'm not selling him in either of my leagues that have him. I'll just bench him until he returns to form.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

Got an offer of Jacobs/Maclin for him. Leaning towards declining, but may counter.

 

[2and2is5]

Got an offer of Jacobs/Maclin for him. Leaning towards declining, but may counter.

i think i would seriously consider this offer, and i would have 100% taken the smith and benson for megatron deal, no questions askedi was just offered earl bennet, austin collie, and lance moore for SS this morning...no one really excites me, but neither does steve smith anymore, not sure what to do, have been trying to package him and portis to someone for a 1st, then ship out 2 1st's for a top 10 WR to replace smith, but can't make it happen

 

[Banger]

Got an offer of Jacobs/Maclin for him. Leaning towards declining, but may counter.

i think i would seriously consider this offer, and i would have 100% taken the smith and benson for megatron deal, no questions askedi was just offered earl bennet, austin collie, and lance moore for SS this morning...no one really excites me, but neither does steve smith anymore, not sure what to do, have been trying to package him and portis to someone for a 1st, then ship out 2 1st's for a top 10 WR to replace smith, but can't make it happen

sounds like a bag of rocks with little upside..I'd hold SS.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Got an offer of Jacobs/Maclin for him. Leaning towards declining, but may counter.

I would pull the trigger faster than fast... just me.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Got an offer of Jacobs/Maclin for him. Leaning towards declining, but may counter.

i think i would seriously consider this offer, and i would have 100% taken the smith and benson for megatron deal, no questions askedi was just offered earl bennet, austin collie, and lance moore for SS this morning...no one really excites me, but neither does steve smith anymore, not sure what to do, have been trying to package him and portis to someone for a 1st, then ship out 2 1st's for a top 10 WR to replace smith, but can't make it happen

sounds like a bag of rocks with little upside..I'd hold SS.

Totally agree. I would just hold Smith.

 

[davearm]

I offered Tory Holt and Hakeem Nicks for Smith and was rejected. I wouldn't consider sweetening the deal as I believe this is more than fair given Smith's production to date. Smith at this point is no more than a roll of the dice. Seems to me many owners would rather live or die with Smith, rather than accept less than ideal value for a wr taken by many in the 2nd round. Would be interested to know what Smith owners think of above offer. PS, I have MSW and wouldn't even consider dealing him for Smith.

I own Smith in two similarly-sized redraft leagues (187 rostered players in one, 192 in the other).In one of those leagues, Holt is a free agent.In the other league, Nicks is a free agent.The point being, your offer is two marginally-rosterable WRs for Smith.I'll roll with Smith and hope for a rebound to 75% of what he's been in the past rather than take two waiver wire quality guys for him.

 

[PantherPower]

was offered Robiskie and A.Gonzalez for Smitty this morning. Took .1 second to reject it.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

Got an offer of Jacobs/Maclin for him. Leaning towards declining, but may counter.

I would pull the trigger faster than fast... just me.

Couple of issues...already have DeSean, plus other WRs are just as strong IMHO (Housh, Austin, Rice, Manningham (see Maclin w/ more upside over him)). Just not sure if Jacobs for Smith, which is how I boil this down, is worth it. Originally targeted a Jennings for SS swap, but this was his counter.He's deep at RB, so may try to see if we can work some type of package there...Sorry if this ventured into ACF territory, but, IMHO, this has some strategy value here.

 

[jobarules]

I offered Steve Smith for Grant/Addai/LT and was rejected on all 3. I was countered with Maroney which I rejected.

 

[footballnerd]

If you owned Smith in the past you know he has these types of games every so often and bounces back from it.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

If you owned Smith in the past you know he has these types of games every so often and bounces back from it.

Agreed to a point, but the 5 game sample is a bit more troubling than the occasional clunker every WR throws up. Add Jake in and it doesn't hurt to try to turn a potential negative into a positive by exploring the trade market.

 

[RamMan]

I just traded Braylon + D. Brown to the Addai owner for Smith + Eli (10 team redraft, start 3 WR). My other WR's are Boldin, Welker, Harvin, Austin, and Nicks. I'm 1 - 5 and needed to roll the dice. IMO Smith, Austin and Nicks are all high ceiling, potentially explosive players going forward - whch I need from my starting WR trio going forward. The Smith owner actually wanted Nicks, but I love the kid and decided I'd rather give him Braylon. Although I feel Braylon would ave been the "safer" player to keep, again I need fireworks to get back into the race. I'd rather gamble with Smith/Austin/Nicks and hope one of them emerges (and quickly!).

 

[Ralph Furley]

I offered Tory Holt and Hakeem Nicks for Smith and was rejected. I wouldn't consider sweetening the deal as I believe this is more than fair given Smith's production to date. Smith at this point is no more than a roll of the dice. Seems to me many owners would rather live or die with Smith, rather than accept less than ideal value for a wr taken by many in the 2nd round. Would be interested to know what Smith owners think of above offer. PS, I have MSW and wouldn't even consider dealing him for Smith.

I own Smith in two similarly-sized redraft leagues (187 rostered players in one, 192 in the other).In one of those leagues, Holt is a free agent.In the other league, Nicks is a free agent.The point being, your offer is two marginally-rosterable WRs for Smith.I'll roll with Smith and hope for a rebound to 75% of what he's been in the past rather than take two waiver wire quality guys for him.

Fair enough. I can understand this. That is why I say the Smith owners with live or die with him. I realize Holt and Nicks aren't world beaters but they are both outperforming Smith and many other quality WR's. I tried a sell high/buy low and failed.Given Smith's quarterback, fact he is on a RUN first team does not make Smith that enticing, his name is the only thing bringing in offers. As far as Holt and Nicks rostering, this means very little to me, If one removed Smith's name and looked at his stats only, he wouldn't be rostered in many leagues either.

 

[davearm]

I offered Tory Holt and Hakeem Nicks for Smith and was rejected. I wouldn't consider sweetening the deal as I believe this is more than fair given Smith's production to date. Smith at this point is no more than a roll of the dice. Seems to me many owners would rather live or die with Smith, rather than accept less than ideal value for a wr taken by many in the 2nd round. Would be interested to know what Smith owners think of above offer. PS, I have MSW and wouldn't even consider dealing him for Smith.

I own Smith in two similarly-sized redraft leagues (187 rostered players in one, 192 in the other).In one of those leagues, Holt is a free agent.In the other league, Nicks is a free agent.The point being, your offer is two marginally-rosterable WRs for Smith.I'll roll with Smith and hope for a rebound to 75% of what he's been in the past rather than take two waiver wire quality guys for him.

Fair enough. I can understand this. That is why I say the Smith owners with live or die with him. I realize Holt and Nicks aren't world beaters but they are both outperforming Smith and many other quality WR's. I tried a sell high/buy low and failed.Given Smith's quarterback, fact he is on a RUN first team does not make Smith that enticing, his name is the only thing bringing in offers. As far as Holt and Nicks rostering, this means very little to me, If one removed Smith's name and looked at his stats only, he wouldn't be rostered in many leagues either.

If you looked at stats only, you wouldn't be offering this trade.

 

[Ralph Furley]

I offered Tory Holt and Hakeem Nicks for Smith and was rejected. I wouldn't consider sweetening the deal as I believe this is more than fair given Smith's production to date. Smith at this point is no more than a roll of the dice. Seems to me many owners would rather live or die with Smith, rather than accept less than ideal value for a wr taken by many in the 2nd round.

Would be interested to know what Smith owners think of above offer.

PS, I have MSW and wouldn't even consider dealing him for Smith.

I own Smith in two similarly-sized redraft leagues (187 rostered players in one, 192 in the other).In one of those leagues, Holt is a free agent.

In the other league, Nicks is a free agent.

The point being, your offer is two marginally-rosterable WRs for Smith.

I'll roll with Smith and hope for a rebound to 75% of what he's been in the past rather than take two waiver wire quality guys for him.

Fair enough. I can understand this. That is why I say the Smith owners with live or die with him. I realize Holt and Nicks aren't world beaters but they are both outperforming Smith and many other quality WR's. I tried a sell high/buy low and failed.Given Smith's quarterback, fact he is on a RUN first team does not make Smith that enticing, his name is the only thing bringing in offers. As far as Holt and Nicks rostering, this means very little to me, If one removed Smith's name and looked at his stats only, he wouldn't be rostered in many leagues either.

If you looked at stats only, you wouldn't be offering this trade.

 

[NatronIsMean]

If you owned Smith in the past you know he has these types of games every so often and bounces back from it.

I wish it were only last week. Here are the numbers from last year, where he was incredibly steady with only 1 true super dud 1-catch week: Out weeks 1 and 2 on suspension.

Week	Player	Rec	Yds 	Y/R	Lng		TD 3	Steve Smith	4 	70 	17.5 	29 	0 4	Steve Smith	6 	96 	16.0 	56 	1 5	Steve Smith	6 	96 	16.0 	38 	0 6	Steve Smith	6 	112 	18.7 	48 	0 7	Steve Smith	6 	122 	20.3 	39 	1 8	Steve Smith	5 	117 	23.4 	65 	2 9	Steve Smith					10	Steve Smith	1 	9 	9.0 	9 	0 11	Steve Smith	6 	63 	10.5 	16 	0 12	Steve Smith	8 	168 	21.0 	41 	0 13	Steve Smith	4 	105 	26.3 	54 	0 14	Steve Smith	9 	117 	13.0 	38 	1 15	Steve Smith	9 	165 	18.3 	38 	1 16	Steve Smith	3 	47 	15.7 	35 	0 17	Steve Smith	5 	134 	26.8 	54 	0 Playoffs	Steve Smith	2 	43 	21.5 	21.5 	1

So consistent last year. At times he was absolute murder. Getting 9 for 117 and a TD and then 9 for 165 and a TD in weeks 14 and 15… Awesome. This is the upside I was hoping for when making this trade after the Dallas game...

 

[bryan215]

The problem with SS is you are either going to get basically 0-4 or 15+points- there really isn't any in between...he typically does not score a lot of touchdowns and his yardage is very dependent on Jake being able to catch him on deep throws.

Given every team is double covering him and they are using him as a decoy to help the running game...I don't see a ton of 100+ yard games in his future this year.

The team is worse than last year, Jake is worse than last year, and his production is way way down. He's not all of a sudden going to flip a switch and start averaging 8-15 points per game...ala a Roddy White etc.

So if you need consistency in the #2 or #3 WR spot I'd go find someone else.

 

[bryan215]

I offered Tory Holt and Hakeem Nicks for Smith and was rejected. I wouldn't consider sweetening the deal as I believe this is more than fair given Smith's production to date. Smith at this point is no more than a roll of the dice. Seems to me many owners would rather live or die with Smith, rather than accept less than ideal value for a wr taken by many in the 2nd round. Would be interested to know what Smith owners think of above offer. PS, I have MSW and wouldn't even consider dealing him for Smith.

I own Smith in two similarly-sized redraft leagues (187 rostered players in one, 192 in the other).In one of those leagues, Holt is a free agent.In the other league, Nicks is a free agent.The point being, your offer is two marginally-rosterable WRs for Smith.I'll roll with Smith and hope for a rebound to 75% of what he's been in the past rather than take two waiver wire quality guys for him.

Fair enough. I can understand this. That is why I say the Smith owners with live or die with him. I realize Holt and Nicks aren't world beaters but they are both outperforming Smith and many other quality WR's. I tried a sell high/buy low and failed.Given Smith's quarterback, fact he is on a RUN first team does not make Smith that enticing, his name is the only thing bringing in offers. As far as Holt and Nicks rostering, this means very little to me, If one removed Smith's name and looked at his stats only, he wouldn't be rostered in many leagues either.

If you looked at stats only, you wouldn't be offering this trade.

given the offense he plays in and the QB throwing to him Nicks is far more likely to be the top performer over the next 5 weeks compared to the other two.

 

[aberry33]

I really cannot figure out his value. I am thinking about offering MSW for him but I don't know if thats a good move as weird as that sounds.

 

[Bayhawks]

I really cannot figure out his value. I am thinking about offering MSW for him but I don't know if thats a good move as weird as that sounds.

I don't know if this helps or matters to you, but I have both Smith and MSW in a league (non-PPR, limited keeper league), and if I had to keep one or the other, I would keep MSW, hands down. Smith (before this year) flourished, IMO, partially because of Delhomme's weakness as a QB. Jake tends to lock onto a guy, and force him the ball. Steve was that guy. Something has changed with Delhomme-maybe his arm is just a little bit weaker, maybe he's lost some confidence, maybe it's a combination of the two. Whatever it is, he's not connecting with Steve Smith, and I don't know if he will be able to regain that ability. What's worse, even if they replace Delhomme, that doesnt' necessary bode well for Smith. I'm not super confident in either of the other 2 QBs they have, and if they draft a rookie next year, that's a crapshoot.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Something that is disturbing me is that many rankings are still putting Smith top 20 this week even though the Bills allow perhaps the lowest WR totals due to the fact they allow over 200 rushing yards a game. I think the experts think because he complained they will force him the ball but man I hate to start him again this week and get burned--again. I think many of us have guys like Mclin, Collie, Knox, nicks etc. Do we stick a young kid in there this week or give him one more chance? I'm really on the fence with him this week. I just don't se things changing. How long do you ride a cold streak? I sat MSW for him last week...

 

[theglorydays]

Something that is disturbing me is that many rankings are still putting Smith top 20 this week even though the Bills allow perhaps the lowest WR totals due to the fact they allow over 200 rushing yards a game. I think the experts think because he complained they will force him the ball but man I hate to start him again this week and get burned--again. I think many of us have guys like Mclin, Collie, Knox, nicks etc. Do we stick a young kid in there this week or give him one more chance? I'm really on the fence with him this week. I just don't se things changing. How long do you ride a cold streak? I sat MSW for him last week...

As of right now, Terrence Mcgee is hurt and Leodis Mckelvin is out for the year. Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott (the starting safeties) are hurt and may or may not play. I'm not sure if Mcgee will play but if he doesn't our #1 Corner would be Drayton Florence. Reggie Corner would play as the #2. And Jairus Byrd and George Wilson would play at safety. That isn't exactly a great secondary. The bills play a Tampa 2 so the underneath stuff should be open. Also, when we are getting gashed by the run i fully expect us to attempt to bring a safety down into the box which will give Steve Smith a chance to beat us deep.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Something that is disturbing me is that many rankings are still putting Smith top 20 this week even though the Bills allow perhaps the lowest WR totals due to the fact they allow over 200 rushing yards a game. I think the experts think because he complained they will force him the ball but man I hate to start him again this week and get burned--again. I think many of us have guys like Mclin, Collie, Knox, nicks etc. Do we stick a young kid in there this week or give him one more chance? I'm really on the fence with him this week. I just don't se things changing. How long do you ride a cold streak? I sat MSW for him last week...

As of right now, Terrence Mcgee is hurt and Leodis Mckelvin is out for the year. Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott (the starting safeties) are hurt and may or may not play. I'm not sure if Mcgee will play but if he doesn't our #1 Corner would be Drayton Florence. Reggie Corner would play as the #2. And Jairus Byrd and George Wilson would play at safety. That isn't exactly a great secondary. The bills play a Tampa 2 so the underneath stuff should be open. Also, when we are getting gashed by the run i fully expect us to attempt to bring a safety down into the box which will give Steve Smith a chance to beat us deep.

Wow! Thanks for the local insight my friend. Hmmm...maybe I give him one more week? Info like this makes this site priceless.

 

[malice]

Something that is disturbing me is that many rankings are still putting Smith top 20 this week even though the Bills allow perhaps the lowest WR totals due to the fact they allow over 200 rushing yards a game. I think the experts think because he complained they will force him the ball but man I hate to start him again this week and get burned--again. I think many of us have guys like Mclin, Collie, Knox, nicks etc. Do we stick a young kid in there this week or give him one more chance? I'm really on the fence with him this week. I just don't se things changing. How long do you ride a cold streak? I sat MSW for him last week...

As of right now, Terrence Mcgee is hurt and Leodis Mckelvin is out for the year. Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott (the starting safeties) are hurt and may or may not play. I'm not sure if Mcgee will play but if he doesn't our #1 Corner would be Drayton Florence. Reggie Corner would play as the #2. And Jairus Byrd and George Wilson would play at safety. That isn't exactly a great secondary. The bills play a Tampa 2 so the underneath stuff should be open. Also, when we are getting gashed by the run i fully expect us to attempt to bring a safety down into the box which will give Steve Smith a chance to beat us deep.

This is what I want to think too, but this bunch did contain the Jets last week and I'd put both passing offenses in roughly the same category. I could also easily see Delhomme throw 5 picks.

 

[footballnerd]

(Rotoworld) Jake Delhomme said he spoke with Steve Smith about the disgruntled receiver's concerns.

Analysis: Smith didn't back off his comments from after the Week 6 win, when he said he didn't feel like an asset to the team after catching one pass. Delhomme said Smith practiced at a different level Wednesday. Expect Smith to be force fed a little bit Sunday against the Bills.

 

[bjabrad]

Positives: He's due and he's a stud and typically nobody gets shut down all year. CAR's rushing SOS has been decent so far but weeks 8-12 are very difficult for rushing so maybe that's when they try to balance their offense by throwing to Smith.

Negatives: CAR has already had an easy schedule for WR's so SOS isn't helping. He hasn't even been good enough to call inconsistent, he's been terrible (FF). CAR has been doing a better job of being competitive and winning as a team by rushing both Williams and Stewart so why would they change it up?

 

[theglorydays]

Something that is disturbing me is that many rankings are still putting Smith top 20 this week even though the Bills allow perhaps the lowest WR totals due to the fact they allow over 200 rushing yards a game. I think the experts think because he complained they will force him the ball but man I hate to start him again this week and get burned--again. I think many of us have guys like Mclin, Collie, Knox, nicks etc. Do we stick a young kid in there this week or give him one more chance? I'm really on the fence with him this week. I just don't se things changing. How long do you ride a cold streak? I sat MSW for him last week...

As of right now, Terrence Mcgee is hurt and Leodis Mckelvin is out for the year. Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott (the starting safeties) are hurt and may or may not play. I'm not sure if Mcgee will play but if he doesn't our #1 Corner would be Drayton Florence. Reggie Corner would play as the #2. And Jairus Byrd and George Wilson would play at safety. That isn't exactly a great secondary. The bills play a Tampa 2 so the underneath stuff should be open. Also, when we are getting gashed by the run i fully expect us to attempt to bring a safety down into the box which will give Steve Smith a chance to beat us deep.

This is what I want to think too, but this bunch did contain the Jets last week and I'd put both passing offenses in roughly the same category. I could also easily see Delhomme throw 5 picks.

In all fairness, there 25 mph winds last week at Giants Stadium. But you do make vaild points.Kyle Williams (DT) ruled out vs Carolina. It remains to be seen whether or not Whitner, Mcgee, and Scott play. There is simply no way the Bills can contain the Carolina rushing attack. Steve Smith will have opportunities to make plays on Sunday. It will all come down to whether or not Delhomme can get him the ball. The Bills don't really get after the passer, so he should have time.

 

[PatytonsGhost]

(Rotoworld) Jake Delhomme said he spoke with Steve Smith about the disgruntled receiver's concerns.

Analysis: Smith didn't back off his comments from after the Week 6 win, when he said he didn't feel like an asset to the team after catching one pass. Delhomme said Smith practiced at a different level Wednesday. Expect Smith to be force fed a little bit Sunday against the Bills.

I have a good feeling about this week, I for one am happy that they ran the ball so much.A) It will make teams gameplan more for stopping the run.

B) Smith might actually get less double coverage because of this.

C) Young inexperienced secondary is something veteran players like Smith and Delhomme should hopefully exploit

I'm In this week

 

[Cenobite]

Something that is disturbing me is that many rankings are still putting Smith top 20 this week even though the Bills allow perhaps the lowest WR totals due to the fact they allow over 200 rushing yards a game. I think the experts think because he complained they will force him the ball but man I hate to start him again this week and get burned--again. I think many of us have guys like Mclin, Collie, Knox, nicks etc. Do we stick a young kid in there this week or give him one more chance? I'm really on the fence with him this week. I just don't se things changing. How long do you ride a cold streak? I sat MSW for him last week...

As of right now, Terrence Mcgee is hurt and Leodis Mckelvin is out for the year. Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott (the starting safeties) are hurt and may or may not play. I'm not sure if Mcgee will play but if he doesn't our #1 Corner would be Drayton Florence. Reggie Corner would play as the #2. And Jairus Byrd and George Wilson would play at safety. That isn't exactly a great secondary. The bills play a Tampa 2 so the underneath stuff should be open. Also, when we are getting gashed by the run i fully expect us to attempt to bring a safety down into the box which will give Steve Smith a chance to beat us deep.

This is what I want to think too, but this bunch did contain the Jets last week and I'd put both passing offenses in roughly the same category. I could also easily see Delhomme throw 5 picks.

In all fairness, there 25 mph winds last week at Giants Stadium. But you do make vaild points.Kyle Williams (DT) ruled out vs Carolina. It remains to be seen whether or not Whitner, Mcgee, and Scott play. There is simply no way the Bills can contain the Carolina rushing attack. Steve Smith will have opportunities to make plays on Sunday. It will all come down to whether or not Delhomme can get him the ball. The Bills don't really get after the passer, so he should have time.

I was at the game last week and it was not windy at all on the field. Bills secondary played well and Sanchez was horrible.

 

[pantherclub]

For all of you guys that are saying he is due or Smith is a stud and gets his I am telling you this is the norm for the rest of the year at least. Smith is now a 3-5 catch a game player at best as long as Jake is throwing the ball. All he can do now is catch that stupid little quick out or the run 10 yards and find the hole in the zone catch. No teams are scared of him breaking one because Jake's arm is kaput. trust me I watch every game and he has no zip, no accuracy and no strength behind his throws. I hate to see it happen to jake but he is done. Running game or not he just cannot get the ball into Smiths hands like before. Its sad actually. Smith is a burner that uses his speed to get behind defenses and now with Jakes unable to make those throws all he is now is a midget possession receiver.

 

[theglorydays]

Something that is disturbing me is that many rankings are still putting Smith top 20 this week even though the Bills allow perhaps the lowest WR totals due to the fact they allow over 200 rushing yards a game. I think the experts think because he complained they will force him the ball but man I hate to start him again this week and get burned--again. I think many of us have guys like Mclin, Collie, Knox, nicks etc. Do we stick a young kid in there this week or give him one more chance? I'm really on the fence with him this week. I just don't se things changing. How long do you ride a cold streak? I sat MSW for him last week...

As of right now, Terrence Mcgee is hurt and Leodis Mckelvin is out for the year. Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott (the starting safeties) are hurt and may or may not play. I'm not sure if Mcgee will play but if he doesn't our #1 Corner would be Drayton Florence. Reggie Corner would play as the #2. And Jairus Byrd and George Wilson would play at safety. That isn't exactly a great secondary. The bills play a Tampa 2 so the underneath stuff should be open. Also, when we are getting gashed by the run i fully expect us to attempt to bring a safety down into the box which will give Steve Smith a chance to beat us deep.

This is what I want to think too, but this bunch did contain the Jets last week and I'd put both passing offenses in roughly the same category. I could also easily see Delhomme throw 5 picks.

In all fairness, there 25 mph winds last week at Giants Stadium. But you do make vaild points.Kyle Williams (DT) ruled out vs Carolina. It remains to be seen whether or not Whitner, Mcgee, and Scott play. There is simply no way the Bills can contain the Carolina rushing attack. Steve Smith will have opportunities to make plays on Sunday. It will all come down to whether or not Delhomme can get him the ball. The Bills don't really get after the passer, so he should have time.

I was at the game last week and it was not windy at all on the field. Bills secondary played well and Sanchez was horrible.

I read that somewhere, i wasn't there so you could very well be right. They were showing clips of Lindell pregame warming up kicking fgs and the ball was moving from one upright to the other, right to left.

 

[the spanker]

Ugh. I want to start him badly but I lost last week because of his one catch performance. I have to rely now on my consistent performers of Hester and Bowe.

It just ticks me off that I could be dominating games when I'm barely pulling them out or losing by a few pts each week.

With that said, watch him blow up this week. If he does, is anyone selling?

 

[Banger]

(Rotoworld) Jake Delhomme said he spoke with Steve Smith about the disgruntled receiver's concerns.

Analysis: Smith didn't back off his comments from after the Week 6 win, when he said he didn't feel like an asset to the team after catching one pass. Delhomme said Smith practiced at a different level Wednesday. Expect Smith to be force fed a little bit Sunday against the Bills.

another 6 pick day for the Bills?

 

[Barksdale Ballers]

I really cannot figure out his value. I am thinking about offering MSW for him but I don't know if thats a good move as weird as that sounds.

having the same problem. never thought i wouldn't jump at the chance to trade mike bell for him, but feel Bell's upside is greater if PT goes down and SS likelihood to get completely shut out at any time makes him a tough start.

 

[Heep]

I just traded Sid Rice and a College Dev Player (Lafell) for SSMith. I think he is going to pick it up before the end of the season. At least I hope so now...

 

[sholditch]

The problem with SS is you are either going to get basically 0-4 or 15+points- there really isn't any in between...he typically does not score a lot of touchdowns and his yardage is very dependent on Jake being able to catch him on deep throws.

Given every team is double covering him and they are using him as a decoy to help the running game...I don't see a ton of 100+ yard games in his future this year.

The team is worse than last year, Jake is worse than last year, and his production is way way down. He's not all of a sudden going to flip a switch and start averaging 8-15 points per game...ala a Roddy White etc.

So if you need consistency in the #2 or #3 WR spot I'd go find someone else.

This is dead wrong. Steve is one of the best in the league on short quick routes that depend on him making his corner miss and getting YAC. True of a lot of receivers but def. not him. I am expecting a HUGE game from him this week.

 

[PatytonsGhost]

I really cannot figure out his value. I am thinking about offering MSW for him but I don't know if thats a good move as weird as that sounds.

having the same problem. never thought i wouldn't jump at the chance to trade mike bell for him, but feel Bell's upside is greater if PT goes down and SS likelihood to get completely shut out at any time makes him a tough start.

Had trades offered for him, but decided to stay put, at this point there is no way his value can be any lower, why sell a player when he is at his lowest ever, this thinking makes no sense. But then again people sell stocks when their at their lowest only to be bought by others at the low price and they get a nice return when stock is back up again. That is how i view Smith

 

[thatguythere]

The problem with SS is you are either going to get basically 0-4 or 15+points- there really isn't any in between...he typically does not score a lot of touchdowns and his yardage is very dependent on Jake being able to catch him on deep throws.

Given every team is double covering him and they are using him as a decoy to help the running game...I don't see a ton of 100+ yard games in his future this year.

The team is worse than last year, Jake is worse than last year, and his production is way way down. He's not all of a sudden going to flip a switch and start averaging 8-15 points per game...ala a Roddy White etc.

So if you need consistency in the #2 or #3 WR spot I'd go find someone else.

This is dead wrong. Steve is one of the best in the league on short quick routes that depend on him making his corner miss and getting YAC. True of a lot of receivers but def. not him. I am expecting a HUGE game from him this week.

I agree, but why aren't they even trying this? You'd think this would be the easiest way to get him going....not like he is being double teamed off the line.

 

[Geaux Cowboys]

I just traded for SS this week, so be prepared for him to go off...Steve and I have a good repoire, he just missed me. BTW, I dealt Carson Palmer (have Brady and Hassel) and Kevin Smith (behind Rice, SJax and Mendenhall) for him. Our league doesn't believe in selling low, so I had to pay for SS, but I expect it to work out for me.

Be prepared for a big game, and a kick off to a good rest of the season. He's home.

 

[the spanker]

I just traded for SS this week, so be prepared for him to go off...Steve and I have a good repoire, he just missed me. BTW, I dealt Carson Palmer (have Brady and Hassel) and Kevin Smith (behind Rice, SJax and Mendenhall) for him. Our league doesn't believe in selling low, so I had to pay for SS, but I expect it to work out for me.Be prepared for a big game, and a kick off to a good rest of the season. He's home.

Well it sure is nice to know he was just waiting on you to go off the rest of the season.I'm scared to death to play the guy anymore.

 

[theglorydays]

The bills have ruled out Kyle Williams, Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott. I'm definetly playing Steve Smith this week.

 

[JoeTall]

I traded for SSmith this week in my keeper league that starts 3 WRs.

Traded DSproles w/3 years left on a contract, MoMass + 3rd round draft pick in 2010 for Carson Plamer, SSmith and Todd Heap. (I was starting DGerrard.)

I have Barber, Addai, DWilliams, with Choice, MBush, Fargas, and can only start 2.

I have RMoss, DDriver, with ACaldwell, PHarvin and PGarcon on the bench, now starting SSmith.

Barber, Addai, Moss contracts expire this year so this is a move hopefully win it for me. (again, won it last 2 years in a row)

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I traded for SSmith this week in my keeper league that starts 3 WRs.Traded DSproles w/3 years left on a contract, MoMass + 3rd round draft pick in 2010 for Carson Plamer, SSmith and Todd Heap. (I was starting DGerrard.)I have Barber, Addai, DWilliams, with Choice, MBush, Fargas, and can only start 2.I have RMoss, DDriver, with ACaldwell, PHarvin and PGarcon on the bench, now starting SSmith.Barber, Addai, Moss contracts expire this year so this is a move hopefully win it for me. (again, won it last 2 years in a row)

Smith is fine.Delhomme's the problem.When does this become a Delhome thread, because that's what this is really about: the end of Jake. I've heard or read Carolina fans defend Jake. Ok, fine, but I can tell you I've been watching Jake play since he was a Saint and he's not the same QB. Weak throws, overwhelmed after the snap, missing throws, and - most importantly, for Jake - not taking chances and pulling them off, that's how he's looked to me.

 

[the spanker]

I traded for SSmith this week in my keeper league that starts 3 WRs.Traded DSproles w/3 years left on a contract, MoMass + 3rd round draft pick in 2010 for Carson Plamer, SSmith and Todd Heap. (I was starting DGerrard.)I have Barber, Addai, DWilliams, with Choice, MBush, Fargas, and can only start 2.I have RMoss, DDriver, with ACaldwell, PHarvin and PGarcon on the bench, now starting SSmith.Barber, Addai, Moss contracts expire this year so this is a move hopefully win it for me. (again, won it last 2 years in a row)

Smith is fine.Delhomme's the problem.When does this become a Delhome thread, because that's what this is really about: the end of Jake. I've heard or read Carolina fans defend Jake. Ok, fine, but I can tell you I've been watching Jake play since he was a Saint and he's not the same QB. Weak throws, overwhelmed after the snap, missing throws, and - most importantly, for Jake - not taking chances and pulling them off, that's how he's looked to me.

I just haven't seen enough of him to make an assessment but apparently as you say he is the problem.Guess there's no chance a QB change will take place? Would it help Smith at all?

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I don't understand how anyone feels that he's bound to go off this week. As bad as the Bills are against the run, the Panthers may only need to throw the ball 6 times. Sure he and Delhomme had "the chat" this week, and he probably promised him he'd force feed him. All that means to me is that the Bills get a couple easy picks at this point.

I have to start his a@#$ again to cover my last WR bye, but after that he's bench bound until Jake shows something/gets benched(which probably ain't happening until Fox is gone.)

 

[boosh]

I have been trying to trade Smith for weeks. Got an owner feeling the same about S-Jax so we swapped guys. I don't know what trade value has been for Smith but I felt good about it.