What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Stock Thread (26 Viewers)

Bob Sacamano said:
I still like SQ here. I actually bought SQ here a week ago. Of course, I'm averaging up from $60/sh. So ymmv.

Price to Sales currently (From Y-Charts):

STNE - 35.55
SE - 25.71
MA - 25.6
V - 23.50
MELI - 19.7 (I know. Less comparable)
PYPL - 14.09

SQ - 12.43
Click to expand...
I added another 10 or 15 shares of SQ recently. Started around $150 when I should have bought in June around $80, but definitely like it a lot long term.

 
stbugs said:
I added another 10 or 15 shares of SQ recently. Started around $150 when I should have bought in June around $80, but definitely like it a lot long term.
Click to expand...
Love SQ. My only regret is selling a large tranche that had $30-something basis in the $60s in March/April '20 timeframe because I was certain the pandemic would be tough on the small businesses they support and there would be a chance to buy back in lower. 

<----dubm

 
KGB said:
We are talking about it in the penny thread.  Even though its at a high, you like?  think it will pull back some?
Click to expand...
And right on cue, this DMEHF takes a 12% haircut.  God I suck.  

I don't LOVE this stock the way DD loves GME or BassNBrewcephus loves day trading or BobbySac loves wine, but if you ran a screen for He related stocks, you might come up with 3 or 5 names?  And these are Omega Mus of sorority girls you want to invite to the dance; mole ridden, plump, facial hair maybe a sixth toe.  DMEHFn is the BEST of the Omega Mu sisters; after 7 IPAs, she's passable.  The one Anthony Edwards scored, if you will. 

So, if you buy into the narrative that He gas is reaching condition critical in the way of supply (and thank you @Sand for confirming) and also know that He is going to see greater demand, how on earth do we as riverboat gamblers play it in our PAs?  Well, you find the best Omega Mu and you hope that by the time the party arrives, she dolls up, loses a few Lbs, wears contacts, gets a tan and becomes the belle of the ball.  Because I am not uncertain that there will be some pretty big developments coming that will help our Omega Mu achieve a higher high.  I hate to be cliche, but a rising tide does indeed lift all boats.  When it was uranium metal on the hop, some of the doggiest of of dog poop uranium names went ballistic.  Same thing for Cobalt, Rare Earths, etc.

And yes, there are BIG BOYS that traffic in He - your Linde's of the world.  Problem there is that He is such a minute part of their overall composition that it won't move the needle.  So again, you're back to finding the best Omega Mu and IMO, that's DMEHF and I'd view the sell off as a decent place to buy some.  If you buy into all that crap I just wrote. :)

 
  • Thanks
Reactions: JAA
For all the friends that are in HGEN, such weak price action lately.

I suppose these other small MABs failing their trials hasn't helped with the confidence for this one.  Not sure we are going to get any kind of run up before results at this point.  Was obviously hoping we would, even to unload a little of what I have.   After seeing CYDY flail, can't say Im over confident on this one passing.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I think my point (well really Burry's point) may be getting misinterpreted a bit here, though it was admittedly probably poorly written.

To be clear, I didn't say Microsft was worth more than those 5 companies combined.  I said Microsoft's market cap has grown more in the last 2 years than the total market cap of those 5 companies combined.  Not comparing total value to total value or growth to growth.  Comparing growth to total value, which is insane.

That is to say, the total combined value of Exxon, Coke, Wells, Nike, and Pfizer is $1 trillion. That is their total combined value as companies.

In the last 2 years alone Microsoft's market cap has INCREASED by roughly $1 trillion.

So what we are pricing in here is that MSFT's growth in a mere 2 years is worth the same as 5 of the world's largest companies total value combined.

We see modest headlines for these megacaps that move the market cap of the company by more than the total value of other gigantic companies in a matter of days.  MSFT's market cap added the value of the entire company of Coca Cola in 4 days a few months ago on rumors that they would buy a company they didn't end up buying (Tik Tok).

We're just in this weird market where these ultra slow moving mega caps move like small cap growth stocks.  When AAPL bounces back to the $140s in a couple of weeks from recent lows it will quietly have grown by the entire market cap of Netflix in a couple week period, for the 2nd time in the last few months..

We're just dealing with such insanely large numbers here that people have grown accustomed to just shrugging off a $500bn increase in a company's value in a few weeks on really very little change to the company itself.  I think this is what Burry is talking about.

Amazon has grown more than all the other mega caps and its stock price has run a lot less so maybe you could argue that they are the exception.

2 years ago AAPL was a $600bn dollar company.  Now AAPL's market cap moves by $600bn in a few months and people barely flinch.
Click to expand...
I think one of his other "complaints" was that the mass index investing we do now helps to contribute to this issue. If more and more people buy S&P500 index funds, then those big companies at the top of the index by market cap get bigger and bigger as well. Then they become bigger and bigger parts of the index and so on. A different factor index than market cap would be worth looking into in order to hedge somewhat, IMO. 

 
$CLDR missed on their earnings yesterday and took quite a haircut. Almost sold this pre-market this morning, looks like it found a bottom at 12.70ish. Anyone still in this and have any thoughts on what's next for this ticker? it's a rather strong company that had growth but not enough growth and guidance is down for 2022. Profitable for the foreseeable future in a growth market, the analyst take was not growing fast enough. TIA.

 
Dwayne Hoover said:
For all the friends that are in HGEN, such weak price action lately.

I suppose these other small MABs failing their trials hasn't helped with the confidence for this one.  Not sure we are going to get any kind of run up before results at this point.  Was obviously hoping we would, even to unload a little of what I have.   After seeing CYDY flail, can't say Im over confident on this one passing.
Click to expand...
They for some 80M dollar funding last night that seemed like a biggish deal. I clearly have no idea what’s going to happen but at least Nader isn’t in charge of this one. 

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Love SQ. My only regret is selling a large tranche that had $30-something basis in the $60s in March/April '20 timeframe because I was certain the pandemic would be tough on the small businesses they support and there would be a chance to buy back in lower. 

<----dubm
Click to expand...
I just wish I went all in during that timeframe. Some of my Best Buy’s and I knew it but I also thought that there could be a another downturn. Luckily I did do a big buy in June (MF recs) but I bought more of the pure plays than ancillary companies like SQ, AAPL and TSLA. Had plenty of chances!

 
General Malaise said:
And right on cue, this DMEHF takes a 12% haircut.  God I suck.  

I don't LOVE this stock the way DD loves GME or BassNBrewcephus loves day trading or BobbySac loves wine, but if you ran a screen for He related stocks, you might come up with 3 or 5 names?  And these are Omega Mus of sorority girls you want to invite to the dance; mole ridden, plump, facial hair maybe a sixth toe.  DMEHFn is the BEST of the Omega Mu sisters; after 7 IPAs, she's passable.  The one Anthony Edwards scored, if you will. 

So, if you buy into the narrative that He gas is reaching condition critical in the way of supply (and thank you @Sand for confirming) and also know that He is going to see greater demand, how on earth do we as riverboat gamblers play it in our PAs?  Well, you find the best Omega Mu and you hope that by the time the party arrives, she dolls up, loses a few Lbs, wears contacts, gets a tan and becomes the belle of the ball.  Because I am not uncertain that there will be some pretty big developments coming that will help our Omega Mu achieve a higher high.  I hate to be cliche, but a rising tide does indeed lift all boats.  When it was uranium metal on the hop, some of the doggiest of of dog poop uranium names went ballistic.  Same thing for Cobalt, Rare Earths, etc.

And yes, there are BIG BOYS that traffic in He - your Linde's of the world.  Problem there is that He is such a minute part of their overall composition that it won't move the needle.  So again, you're back to finding the best Omega Mu and IMO, that's DMEHF and I'd view the sell off as a decent place to buy some.  If you buy into all that crap I just wrote. :)
Click to expand...
Sold, I'm in and bringing my :banned:

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I think my point (well really Burry's point) may be getting misinterpreted a bit here, though it was admittedly probably poorly written.

To be clear, I didn't say Microsft was worth more than those 5 companies combined.  I said Microsoft's market cap has grown more in the last 2 years than the total market cap of those 5 companies combined.  Not comparing total value to total value or growth to growth.  Comparing growth to total value, which is insane.

That is to say, the total combined value of Exxon, Coke, Wells, Nike, and Pfizer is $1 trillion. That is their total combined value as companies.

In the last 2 years alone Microsoft's market cap has INCREASED by roughly $1 trillion.

So what we are pricing in here is that MSFT's growth in a mere 2 years is worth the same as 5 of the world's largest companies total value combined.

We see modest headlines for these megacaps that move the market cap of the company by more than the total value of other gigantic companies in a matter of days.  MSFT's market cap added the value of the entire company of Coca Cola in 4 days a few months ago on rumors that they would buy a company they didn't end up buying (Tik Tok).

We're just in this weird market where these ultra slow moving mega caps move like small cap growth stocks.  When AAPL bounces back to the $140s in a couple of weeks from recent lows it will quietly have grown by the entire market cap of Netflix in a couple week period, for the 2nd time in the last few months..

We're just dealing with such insanely large numbers here that people have grown accustomed to just shrugging off a $500bn increase in a company's value in a few weeks on really very little change to the company itself.  I think this is what Burry is talking about.

Amazon has grown more than all the other mega caps and its stock price has run a lot less so maybe you could argue that they are the exception.

2 years ago AAPL was a $600bn dollar company.  Now AAPL's market cap moves by $600bn in a few months and people barely flinch.
Click to expand...
AAPL Price/Sales had been pretty rangebound between 2.5 and 4 since '09. It broke that in Dec '19. Coincidence? P/S starting to rise from a company that transitions from hardware to services probably makes sense. Higher margin and less cyclicality. P/S was right around 6 when AAPL announced the split in July '20. It tapped out around 8 and is just above 7 right now. Probably on the high side, but 16.5% from the split isn't outrageous.

MSFT is a tougher sell. It's a completely different business model than it used to be, so history is a #### indicator. It was at 4.18 in '16 and has been steadily growing from there. I'm pretty sure that follows a change from Licenses to Subscriptions in '15. By 3/20 they were in the 8s. The seismic shift over 10 came in Q2. For MSFT, the current 11.6 looks rich.  But when you add in the world's second-largest cloud provider, how do you value them? If you compare them to SaaS companies, maybe that's not as awful as it seems. I think that's the challenge with these companies. What is blended SaaS business worth?

Well, when the world's largest cloud provider has a P/S ratio of 4, it seems like the answer is sell all your MSFT and use it to buy AMZN.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Capella said:
They for some 80M dollar funding last night that seemed like a biggish deal. I clearly have no idea what’s going to happen but at least Nader isn’t in charge of this one. 
Click to expand...
It’s not a big deal TBH. Doesn’t mean they succeeded or failed. Let’s put it this way, CYDY has the same type of manufacturing agreements in place. All this is is funding in case they get approval. It’s like a contingent offer on a house. Seems cool but it doesn’t actually mean anything until the other house is sold.

 
Is there anywhere to know how much stake companies have in Rivian? Saw something about potential IPOs for them and I know Amazon has invested in them multiple times but there’s never a mention of how much ownership they or Ford or others have.

 
David Dodds said:
It creates 10X the problem too, but with 700 million shares the market can correct itself.

So if I am Ryan Cohen I announce a 10-1 split and also that that company will issue 10M more shares (pre split). So he starts the new company with a $3B war chest and all of those shares gives the shorts a way out, but also insures each share runs to $80 which triggers all the options too.
Click to expand...
You mean $800, not $80 right?

 
$VIH (VPC IMPACT ACQUISITION HLDGS ) completed its acquisition of Bakkt. Trading at 15.20 I like it. I have a toe hold.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
I still like SQ here. I actually bought SQ here a week ago. Of course, I'm averaging up from $60/sh. So ymmv.

Price to Sales currently (From Y-Charts):

STNE - 35.55
SE - 25.71
MA - 25.6
V - 23.50
MELI - 19.7 (I know. Less comparable)
PYPL - 14.09

SQ - 12.43
Click to expand...
SQ is low.  And, from fist blush MA and V are very high.  Good thing I own DFS.   :P

Charlie Harper said:
You mean $800, not $80 right?
Click to expand...
If it splits 10-1, then $80 is right.

 
General Malaise said:
And right on cue, this DMEHF takes a 12% haircut.  God I suck.  

I don't LOVE this stock the way DD loves GME or BassNBrewcephus loves day trading or BobbySac loves wine, but if you ran a screen for He related stocks, you might come up with 3 or 5 names?  And these are Omega Mus of sorority girls you want to invite to the dance; mole ridden, plump, facial hair maybe a sixth toe.  DMEHFn is the BEST of the Omega Mu sisters; after 7 IPAs, she's passable.  The one Anthony Edwards scored, if you will. 

So, if you buy into the narrative that He gas is reaching condition critical in the way of supply (and thank you @Sand for confirming) and also know that He is going to see greater demand, how on earth do we as riverboat gamblers play it in our PAs?  Well, you find the best Omega Mu and you hope that by the time the party arrives, she dolls up, loses a few Lbs, wears contacts, gets a tan and becomes the belle of the ball.  Because I am not uncertain that there will be some pretty big developments coming that will help our Omega Mu achieve a higher high.  I hate to be cliche, but a rising tide does indeed lift all boats.  When it was uranium metal on the hop, some of the doggiest of of dog poop uranium names went ballistic.  Same thing for Cobalt, Rare Earths, etc.

And yes, there are BIG BOYS that traffic in He - your Linde's of the world.  Problem there is that He is such a minute part of their overall composition that it won't move the needle.  So again, you're back to finding the best Omega Mu and IMO, that's DMEHF and I'd view the sell off as a decent place to buy some.  If you buy into all that crap I just wrote. :)
Click to expand...
I took a flier.

 
cosjobs said:
$VIH (VPC IMPACT ACQUISITION HLDGS ) completed its acquisition of Bakkt. Trading at 15.20 I like it. I have a toe hold.
Click to expand...
Thank you, but from reading January's press release $vih will only own 8% of bakkt?

This is why spac's scare the tar out of me. 

It's a bit like buying a cloud inside a dream.

 
David Dodds said:
The 3/19 GME data is the reason you can not sell. In fact based on this data, I would urge everyone to buy a few shares because this data is a godsend:

$200 - 5.3M shares needed

$250 - 5.9M 

$300 - 6.7M

$350 - 7.3M

$400 - 8.0M

$450 - 8.4M

$500 - 9.3M

I don't see retail selling. And with just 70 million shares, at $200 the fuze is lit for an explosive week after this.
Click to expand...
IIRC, 16M of the 70M shares are held by GMC execs and aren't available for trade

 
stbugs said:
It’s not a big deal TBH. Doesn’t mean they succeeded or failed. Let’s put it this way, CYDY has the same type of manufacturing agreements in place. All this is is funding in case they get approval. It’s like a contingent offer on a house. Seems cool but it doesn’t actually mean anything until the other house is sold.
Click to expand...
Iirc cydy had to turn to some toxic loans in order to secure them. This doesn’t seem like the same thing at all, although it obviously doesn’t mean approval is imminent. 

 
David Dodds said:
At some point, Ryan Cohen either recalls the shares, offers a 10 for 1 stock split, adds a special dividend, etc that exposes the synthetic shares. I am betting we get some clarity at earnings which I believe is on 3/23.
Click to expand...
I understand the desire to keep the WSB+ folks happy, but they'd be foolish not to find a way to raise capital from this.

Maybe issue warrants to existing shareholders.

 
Capella said:
Iirc cydy had to turn to some toxic loans in order to secure them. This doesn’t seem like the same thing at all, although it obviously doesn’t mean approval is imminent. 
Click to expand...
Oh, I know CYDY is run different but these type of manufacturing agreements happen for every biotech that’s in later stage trials. That’s what I meant. I’m sure any of the other failed trials in stage 3 had manufacturing deals/financing in place.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Andrew74
2025 FBG Stock Contest
2
Replies
76
Views
4K
SouthJersey
SouthJersey
Andrew74
2024 FBG Stock Contest
2 3
Replies
127
Views
7K
McBokonon
McBokonon
Joey Wright
2025-2026 NCAA College Basketball Thread
Replies
6
Views
175
SpurrierisisGod
SpurrierisisGod

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 25 (members: 6, guests: 19)
Back
Top