I guess I just never really understood this “we’re about to crash” or the bubble is about to pop stuff. What are you going to do, take your money out? How would you know when to get back in?
Not sure which conversation you're reading but usually de-risking means moving money out of frothy stuff up 500% based on hopes and dreams and into safer blue chips or ETFs. I haven't heard anyone advising people to get their 401k's out of the SP500 and convert to cash. Most of the talk in this thread the last few months has been about stocks with 90% downside, not 15% is all I'm saying.
It's exactly like it was last time. Lots of play money accounts that have grown into real accounts with the gains, creating a false sense of security around stocks that are not at all safe, with plenty of plausible indicators for that to change that we'd all look back on and say "well, duh" after it happened.
Just offering that out there. 95% of the stuff that's been talked about in here the last 3 months is absolutely capable of doing a full round trip back to lows that seem impossibly far away right now, and most people did not buy in at that bottom.
This is a tough one. For example Draganfly is up 463% from when I mentioned it in the thread around June 17. I have trimmed on two occasions so I'm down to 35 shares. Part of me wants to close the position and call it a huge win, part of me wants to free roll the rest and see if it joins my Palantir shares at 1450% gain. I suspect any stops I set would be useless as it would blow right through them.
Draganfly is a great example because I still own shares of Draganfly I purchased in 2021 at an $85 cost basis.
It got as high as $370.
That means I had it at a 435% gain from my purchase. Eventually not only completely round tripped, but at the bottom actually lost 97.5% on that buy. That's from the buy-in price, not from the peak when it was up 435%. That would represent a 99.994% loss.
Draganfly is a penny stock.
Like last time, everyone has shifted expectations. Penny stocks are "low cap". Low cap stocks are high cap. Medium cap stocks are blue chips.
They aren't. BROS, AXON, APP, PLTR, etc. These things are no less capable of a 90% drop than ZM, DOCU, BABA, RIVN, UPST, or 50 other similar tickers were last time.
Great post. And if you have some of those from before to net against gains from now, even better.
Not sure how I feel about AXON being with these others though. It's been a pretty steady build?
AXON definitely shouldn’t be lumped in with those. It’s been a steady compounder for many years, well before AI became a thing, and is doing it by creating a sticky, dominant ecosystem in a market that isn’t going away (law enforcement). They have one small AI offering (First Draft) that users love but it’s barely a blip right now.
ETA: It’s expensive as ****, though. It seems to be going through a healthy consolidation right now.
Not lumped in in the sense of AI exposure, but lumped in in the sense of people being overconfident in its safety and wildly underestimating its downside risk.
We're talking about a stock that since mid 2022 is up 760% on a 140% increase in revenue. A market cap matching Airbnb or Hilton with 1/6 of their revenue.
Of course, they have the growth to back it up. But at the first sign of growth weakness, especially if we're in market conditions that are soft for other reasons (like if the ones we've been talking about come to pass) and people start thinking about being risk-off, then people can race for the exits on these types of stocks.
Meta grew YoY for 20 years consecutively. All it took was one quarter of negative YoY user growth in a weak market and the stock took an 80% haircut. The P/E ratio nearly hit single digits. Netflix was the same. Nothing but growth for their entire history, leading to a huge P/E. A few little signs of slowing growth in a market struggling with other stuff and the narrative flipped, growth was over, P/E contracts massively.
Not to say that it's a bad stock or anything bad will happen with it. Just an illustration of where mindset and exuberrence have moved. In a normal market a stock like this is considered at the tippy top of the risk spectrum. At current levels of exuberence where people have moved on to literal penny stocks, it is treated as "safe".
Is sub $300 AXON a possibility if the market de-risks and/or the growth inevitably slows? Of course it is. Heck, it would still be expensive at that price.