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I thought 1883 was some of the best viewing entertainment and storytelling I've seen in 10 years.
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I hated the lead actress in 1923 her stupid breathy whispers and how she’d grunt and shriek when in troubleWas Very disappointed they jumped from 1883 to 1923.
Would have loved a few more seasons to watch the beginning.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
If you didn't like her performance it would be really tough to enjoy the show. We all have different takes on things. I personally thought she did a marvelous job. I enjoyed the narration and her performance.I hated the lead actress in 1923 her stupid breathy whispers and how she’d grunt and shriek when in troubleWas Very disappointed they jumped from 1883 to 1923.
Would have loved a few more seasons to watch the beginning.
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah I was wondering the same.
I made it through about 2.5 seasons of Yellowstone but lost interest after the weird Casey's wife storyline and there was not any likeable characters anymore. Plus, I got turned off by the number of friends of mine who championed the Duttons when in reality they're basically like the white country person's version of the Bloods/Cryps.
I would say that it is definitely worth it. It's not long (10 episodes) and it is very well done
beer 30
Footballguy
It's a great stand alone.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Agree. You don't have to watch Yellowstone at all to appreciate 1883. In fact, I recommend that approach. I saw 1883 first, then thought Yellowstone must be on that level and watched a season of it - quite the let down.
bryhamm
Footballguy
Have this next up on my list after I get through the latest eps of Cobra Kai.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
1883 is SO good, much better than YS. great characters, great story, a cross country journey, it's awesome. plus NO Beth.
fatness
Footballguy
Getting close to finishing Freud on Netflix.
It's quite bad. Actor playing Freud (Robert Finster) does one of the worst acting jobs I've ever seen, just awful. Only redeeming thing is Ella Rumpf as the main female character. She's beautiful and you get to see a lot of her, but most of the time she acts like she's in some sort of psychedelic daze. Just a bad show.
It's quite bad. Actor playing Freud (Robert Finster) does one of the worst acting jobs I've ever seen, just awful. Only redeeming thing is Ella Rumpf as the main female character. She's beautiful and you get to see a lot of her, but most of the time she acts like she's in some sort of psychedelic daze. Just a bad show.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
1883 is actually about pioneer days.
Yellowstone is gangsters masquerading as cowboys (not that that's a bad thing).
There's not much that's similar between the two at all IMO.
Yellowstone is gangsters masquerading as cowboys (not that that's a bad thing).
There's not much that's similar between the two at all IMO.
belljr
Footballguy
The only connection is its the family origin
Zow
Footballguy
I wish more people understood this.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Yep. It's the explanation of how John Dutton, aka Kevin Costner, and his family became to settle in that location in Montana. Interesting view of Yellowstone being gangsters. Never thought of it that way, but I can see it. I always viewed it as just a modern day western. Lots of Yellowstone hate. I enjoy it. Its a slow burn at times. It drags on at times. Storyline wanders at times. Silly at times. Having said all that, the foundational storyline is solid. Beth and Rip are the two greatest current characters on television.
El Floppo
Footballguy
You rang?
Zow
Footballguy
Rip is a cold-blooded murderer. He's basically a better looking Luca Brasi.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
i like Beth
Zow
Footballguy
I didn't hate the show despite bailing on it after 2.5 seasons. I just stopped caring about the characters. Also, nothing wrong with a series with gangster anti-heroes. The Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad, all were based on main characters who were clearly "bad."
My dislike is more so with the number of people who seem to think the Duttons - especially Rip - are actual heroes when in reality the Duttons under my state's laws would absolutely be considered a "criminal street gang" with death penalty eligible crimes. The Duttons are 100% murdering criminal gangsters who are genuinely awful human beings. If they were black or if they were clearly off the boat from Italy they'd be considered a gang or the mob. But, since they're good-looking white people who talk like country white people and drive cool trucks, ride pretty horses, and talk about flimsy concepts like "honor, "family," and "tradition," they're ignorantly idolized and viewers miss the mark on their takes.
Zow
Footballguy
I get that. I rooted for The Penguin, Jesse Pinkman, Walter White at times, Tony Soprano, Omar Little, Brody, Stringer Bell (at times), Jimmy McGill, Fleabag, Arya Stark, Marty Byrd, etc.
My issue is with idolizing them. The Duttons seem to be actually idolized and considered good Americans by many.
3C's
Footballguy
Thank you! She was the one I couldn't deal with.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
@Zow
Doh! I totally didn't see this back and forth before I posted mine. Keep in mind that this stuff is totally in my weird wheelhouse, and I have been a Hancock fan for years. IMO you are getting a little too Ancient Aliens with your interpretation as to what Hancock is doing. His books and long interviews are better than the NF show, but the NF show is better is putting you by some of these sites, and just that alone is worth the watch IMO. His downfall is that he has a huge chip on his shoulder about saying some of this stuff for decades (that these sites are older than the 4000-5000 years old that we grew up being told) and being told he was a hack because of his non-archeology background. To me his points are more on the lines of:
1. it's odd to him that we know homo sapiens have been around for 300,000 years, but the popular "narrative" is that we basically lived in caves and played with rocks until the agricultural revolution allowed us to come together enough to start civilizations and have enough of us to come together to build things we see in Egypt, etc. Unless I am wrong, none of the dates he is talking about are in question and it is now known that some of these sites predate that. If there is a good source that disproves the dates his is talking about, I haven't come across it yet. Some of these dates we are talking are either right at (Gobekli Tepe) or before (these
2. He very much leans on the Younger Dryas theory and evidence of a meteor strike on the edge of the ice sheet. That was in S1 and JRE episodes with him and Dan Carlson are really interesting. Yes, it's a theory, but it's not like we are in psuedo science territory. What he is saying here is that because of the Ice Age (and we already know that humans were alive then and possibly more advanced than previous thoughts due to the dates of the sites) - they would have been living in different areas in the world because of the climate, and then IF the impact was at the edge of the Ice Sheet in the Americas like they talked about that would have caused a huge amount of water displaced and water levels would have risen drastically. He believes that it was a big enough impact to flood the earth and wipe out most of us. Hense him coming back to the flood myths, the underground chambers, etc. He argues that it would stand to reason that there would many of us by the coasts like we are now, and much of that would have been lost to said flood (he has a whole book about diving off the coasts in Indonesia and other places, and it's dabbled with in S1 a little).
3. Because of this and the commonalities with myths from around the world, he does put heavy belief that they might be more oral tradition than we thought. This is where he gets into the civilizations who survived going out and spreading knowledge again.
4. I have never heard him say "aliens". That said, he does dance around some of that and there are some pretty weird ideas about how and what some of these sites could have been. Even for me this is where he does get a little bizarre. I would say that he doesn't believe UFOs dropped down, gave special knowledge to the pre-flood civs or anything. But just as freaky, I'd guess he'd say that via ayahuasca and other methods (I just started a book about a similar thing with the Greeks), people would have intense visions and get knowledge that way - that's where all the freaky beings come from in the art in S2.
Maybe I didn't do any better, but I guess the tl:dr is that at the very least IMO Hancock is trying to come at it using some science in the form of dates and theories about the climate, water levels, and dates of sites. Even if the rest is not correct, to me it's still fascinating as some of these weird things do get uncovered, and at the very least he does seem to be correct that the dates of our ancestors and what we could do keeps getting pushed back.
snogger
Footballguy
Here's the thing.. It was one season. He never had a chance to turn it into Dallas on steriods as he did with Yellowstone.
And this coming from someone that loves Yellowstone.
snogger
Footballguy
I haven't seen 1923 yet. But just saw that in December regular Paramount will be showing it so will finally get to watch it.I hated the lead actress in 1923 her stupid breathy whispers and how she’d grunt and shriek when in troubleWas Very disappointed they jumped from 1883 to 1923.
Would have loved a few more seasons to watch the beginning.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
My wife who loves 1893 and Yellowstone, was fine not finishing the first season of 1923. There are a couple frustrating/tedious story lines in that one. I bet we’ll catch up before the second season starts though.I haven't seen 1923 yet. But just saw that in December regular Paramount will be showing it so will finally get to watch it.I hated the lead actress in 1923 her stupid breathy whispers and how she’d grunt and shriek when in troubleWas Very disappointed they jumped from 1883 to 1923.
Would have loved a few more seasons to watch the beginning.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Weird about 1923 huh? I was so pumped to watch this with Harrison Ford and in the end it was just meh.My wife who loves 1893 and Yellowstone, was fine not finishing the first season of 1923. There are a couple frustrating/tedious story lines in that one. I bet we’ll catch up before the second season starts though.I haven't seen 1923 yet. But just saw that in December regular Paramount will be showing it so will finally get to watch it.I hated the lead actress in 1923 her stupid breathy whispers and how she’d grunt and shriek when in troubleWas Very disappointed they jumped from 1883 to 1923.
Would have loved a few more seasons to watch the beginning.
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Cedric absolutely made the right decision this week.
His castmates have sh!t on him the entire game. He has no strong allies that we can see and whoever gets to the end isn't letting him win. In a position like that, of course you take the money from the day's challenge, because the big prize isn't going to you and your reputation with your castmates can't get any worse than it already is.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Agreed.
Gets voted least trustworthy. Gets accused of throwing challenges to LOSE $... ummm, what? None are taking him to the finals and not vote until he's out. He knows he can't trust these Faithfuls to get a Traitor correct. He now comes in roughly 3rd place in $ (assuming 2 win the pot). Other seasons/series if you got $ you left the game - guess not in this one?
Finally got Gimli. Mainly because he said Kyra's brother's name (Nick) as a possibility - who everyone thought was a Faithful by a show of hands (that should be a warning sign in itself to vote towards the guy even if incorrect). Or recruit him for that reason and doubly screw over Neda.
I half wanted someone to fall off the bridge. Even though shown as a stopwatch being started, the timer is definitely rigged as they can't possibly get that many (scared of heights) through a wobbly bridge blindfolded in 30 minutes. Stopped the timer when they touched the far end step, not counting the hanging of the bags, or the resting at the far end, or the travel back across the bridge.
I half wanted someone to fall off the bridge. Even though shown as a stopwatch being started, the timer is definitely rigged as they can't possibly get that many (scared of heights) through a wobbly bridge blindfolded in 30 minutes. Stopped the timer when they touched the far end step, not counting the hanging of the bags, or the resting at the far end, or the travel back across the bridge.
Dennis Castro
Footballguy
I know I’m late to the party, but I started Lost on Netflix and in four days have already made it to S2 E5. When I get done, maybe I will understand the memes and cultural references that went over my head before. I am really, really enjoying it so far, but I understand that the quality drops off in the later seasons.
After watching S2 E1 of Silo, I came across a recap article that compared it favorably to Lost, so that’s how I got there.
After watching S2 E1 of Silo, I came across a recap article that compared it favorably to Lost, so that’s how I got there.
3C's
Footballguy
The reviews have been gnarly too.Landman, gnarly first 2 episodes
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Depends on who you ask.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Haven't started. Was hoping this was gonna be a show my wife and I can look forward to watching together like Lioness and Yellowstone. The problem is she tunes out or loves a series very very quickly. Hopefully it's not tooooo gnarly out of the gate or she will tune out. Ha haThe reviews have been gnarly too.Landman, gnarly first 2 episodes
bryhamm
Footballguy
Uh, the bolded is not true. John Dutton (Kevin Costner) was not even born yet.
Been watching the Silo series on Apple. I read all of the books first a few years ago, so it was a bit of a surprise to me to seem some of the artistic license the producers took with the characters. I mean, when you read a book, you have a mental image of which each person looks like, and well, Walker was a bit different than I pictured 
And Juliette was a lot different than I pictured as well. Rebecca Ferguson is a really pretty woman, but not nearly the woman I thought to portray Juliette.
But, I digress, the series is pretty good and does a decent job moving the narrative along. I did think when reading the series it would really translate pretty easily to television as I mean, not much needed in the terms of a set.
Best Apple series I've seen so far, still working my way through a few others.
And Juliette was a lot different than I pictured as well. Rebecca Ferguson is a really pretty woman, but not nearly the woman I thought to portray Juliette.
But, I digress, the series is pretty good and does a decent job moving the narrative along. I did think when reading the series it would really translate pretty easily to television as I mean, not much needed in the terms of a set.
Best Apple series I've seen so far, still working my way through a few others.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
It is a series that after two episodes will be hated by half the country and loved by the other half, I fall somewhere in the middle and have enjoyed the zingers by Billy Bob. There are some really stupid story lines but a few of the stories have my attention and will keep me watching the show.Haven't started. Was hoping this was gonna be a show my wife and I can look forward to watching together like Lioness and Yellowstone. The problem is she tunes out or loves a series very very quickly. Hopefully it's not tooooo gnarly out of the gate or she will tune out. Ha haThe reviews have been gnarly too.Landman, gnarly first 2 episodes
As someone just starting it, Does it seem aged or does it hold up? I was thinking about giving it a re-watch (only watched it when it came out originally) but was wondering if it held up.
beer 30
Footballguy
Minor nit...Randall Carlson
1923 was ok to advance the story but the acting was meh. I could do without ever seeing Harrison Ford again. Loved his acting but he's past his prime, way past.
He's pretty good in Shrinking
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Doh! Good catch. I was listening to Hardcore History that day.
El Floppo
Footballguy
We rewatched the entire thing with our kids (who watched for the first time) during pandemic. Loved it all over again, even the run in to the end. Found a lot of new stuff to like and to be frustrated by.
I know both kids have since RE-binged it.
So, ymmv, but imo it definitely holds up.
Tick
Footballguy
Enjoy the ride, you might find that you like the later seasons. And even if you don't, remember that you liked it early.
Tick
Footballguy
Also, I can't read about Lost and not think of how far things have come... I mailed a VHS tape with the Lost premiere to Capella (I think - starting to forget things) because there was no such thing as streaming and if you missed the premiere of a show with a throughline, you were out until the first season DVD would come out the following summer. Dark ages stuff.
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