Super Bowl 49 discussion thread: Seahawks vs Patriots (Poll added) (1 Viewer)

[NE_REVIVAL]

Seahawks only a slight advantage on defense

Seahawks defense phenomenal at home. Not quite as good away from home without all the noise. Still excellent, but I don't think they are the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens good.

As I said earlier, the Sea D is overrated and they aren't anywhere near as good as the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens. Should be another great SB; NE will move the ball on that D for sure and I'm confident they come out on top.

 

[Run It Up]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.

Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?

It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

SOS not ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5177

SEA - 0.5295

SOS ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5469

SEA - 0.5156

Take it or leave it, I included both because when you include your own teams wins/losses against the other teams it penalizes the better teams.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I don't get how losing superbowls hurts your legacy if you've already won 3. Is it better to flame out in the first round of the playoffs than make it to the superbowl and lose, in terms of legacy?

it probably is, no one remembers losing random playoff game.

Lose the big one though and that sticks with ya

I do not want to dispute your point too strongly, but the scars from today's game will stay with this Packer fan for decades. I definitely will remember it. Also, the game will become legendary if the Seahawks go on to win the Superbowl. It will be part of their lore.. Folks discussing comebacks will cite this game whenever discussing comebacks, or potential comebacks for years.

 

[netnalp]

He's already in the best of all-time discussion, IMO, and I don't think losing this game would hurt his legacy at all. I never get why some think losing the Super Bowl should count against you, as if it's somehow better to lose earlier in the playoffs.

I agree. Marino is considered one of the best QBs ever and Brady crushes him for SBs.

 

[Hooper31]

Go Hawks.

Good luck Pats fans. Love me some Brady. Been drafting him every year I can for quite some time in my fantasy leagues. Thought it was silly people attempting to throw dirt on him early in the season. Love that he plays with passion and is dedicated to winning football games. Mad respect for Belichick too.

Should be an interesting game. Don't think Blount will be able to run on Seattle. Will be a different matchup than they saw today vs Indy.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

 

[tombonneau]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

SOS not ignoring own team:

NE - 0.5177

SEA - 0.5295

SOS ignoring own team:

NE - 0.5469

SEA - 0.5156

Take it or leave it, I included both because when you include your own teams results against the other teams it penalizes the better teams.

Seattle sos greatly helped by two games vs specious 11-5 cards which started Drew Stanton and Ryan Lindley. And a foundering 10-6 Eagles team. I think it's a close game on a neutral field.

 

[Hooper31]

As I said earlier, the Sea D is overrated and they aren't anywhere near as good as the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens.

Can you quantify this? Based on what metric?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

As I said earlier, the Sea D is overrated and they aren't anywhere near as good as the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens.

Can you quantify this? Based on what metric?

basically the eyeball test. I think last years Seattle D looked much better than this years version

 

[Run It Up]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

The Ravens proved it by literally letting the Pats just get 7 yards through the air at will. A problem the Seahawks will also have as long as NE can avoid their DB's jumping routes.

 

[biju]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.

Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?

It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

SOS not ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5177

SEA - 0.5295

SOS ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5469

SEA - 0.5156

Take it or leave it, I included both because when you include your own teams wins/losses against the other teams it penalizes the better teams.

So in other words, you want to take out the terrible AFC East you've been feasting on for over a decade. Makes sense.

 

[bucsbaby]

I don't see NE being denied this year. Brady is 100% intense and the team is firing on all cylinders. Brady and Belicheck cement their legacy with another SB.

 

[Run It Up]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.

Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?

It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

SOS not ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5177

SEA - 0.5295

SOS ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5469

SEA - 0.5156

Take it or leave it, I included both because when you include your own teams wins/losses against the other teams it penalizes the better teams.

So in other words, you want to take out the terrible AFC East you've been feasting on for over a decade. Makes sense.

They lost a meaningless game to Buffalo, similar to how the Seahawks played against Ryan Lindley.

Both are factored in.

 

[biju]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.

Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?

It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

SOS not ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5177

SEA - 0.5295

SOS ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5469

SEA - 0.5156

Take it or leave it, I included both because when you include your own teams wins/losses against the other teams it penalizes the better teams.

So in other words, you want to take out the terrible AFC East you've been feasting on for over a decade. Makes sense.

They lost a meaningless game to Buffalo, similar to how the Seahawks played against Ryan Lindley.

Both are factored in.

So in other words, you've justified feasting on the weak AFC East.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

So long as Russell Wilson doesn't start the game the way he started against GB, I wanna give the Seahawks the edge.

Can't ever count out Brady or Billicehct though.

Should be a great game.

Maybe not the kind of game the casual super bowl fan is looking for...probably not a high scoring non stop action game.

More of a Defensive and Grind it out game, a little bit of a chess match, that hardcore fans will enjoy.

I can't wait. Should be a fun way to cap the season.

 

[Hooper31]

As I said earlier, the Sea D is overrated and they aren't anywhere near as good as the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens.

Can you quantify this? Based on what metric?

basically the eyeball test. I think last years Seattle D looked much better than this years version

They are starting exactly the same crew except for Chris Clemons and Red Bryant. You think those two made the difference?

 

[Run It Up]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.

Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?

It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

SOS not ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5177

SEA - 0.5295

SOS ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5469

SEA - 0.5156

Take it or leave it, I included both because when you include your own teams wins/losses against the other teams it penalizes the better teams.

So in other words, you want to take out the terrible AFC East you've been feasting on for over a decade. Makes sense.

They lost a meaningless game to Buffalo, similar to how the Seahawks played against Ryan Lindley.

Both are factored in.

So in other words, you've justified feasting on the weak AFC East.

Both are there, its plain as day that on paper SEA had a tougher SOS. If you dare to look any deeper than that, the picture becomes not so clear.

 

[Anarchy99]

As I said earlier, the Sea D is overrated and they aren't anywhere near as good as the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens.

Can you quantify this? Based on what metric?

Seahawks beat ARI ARI PHI after they accumulated a good record on the strength of another starting QB. They beat SF twice but they were a mess this year. They beat STL with a second or third stronger and lost to them as well. Both NE and SEA lost to KC. Both beat DEN but the Pats won going away. SEA played tough games early on, so tough to gauge truly how good they are lately. Other than today, when did they play a legit offense with a legit top ten QB on a playoff team?

 

[drummer]

The team who can run the ball more will win.

 

[Run It Up]

The team who can run the ball more will win.

Explicitly run, or does the pseudo-run through the short-intermediate pass game count?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

1. The Machine that is NE, who is responsible. Belichick or Brady? Seems like it doesn't matter who they have from year to year at WR or on Defense. They just seem to get the job done. Than again, Brady makes anyone look good at WR and can run this offense with whomever. Belichick on the other had, does a ridiculous job with personnel. Seems like he signs and drafts just the right players year in an year out. No team I can remember in the modern NFL can field a team year in and year out, cap be damned. Could he do that without a Tom Brady?

11-5 with Matt Cassel under center. And remember, Cassel was no normal backup. He wasn't even a starting quarterback in COLLEGE, much less ever starting a game in the NFL. It took him a little bit to get things going because of this, but over the second half of that year he went 6-2 and was on pace to throw for 5400 yards (back before people were throwing for 5000 yards every year).

And before people say "they were undefeated the year before!" remember that they went 10-6 the following year with Brady, after they'd gone 11-5 the year before with Cassel.

Brady is a huge asset, no doubt, but I think Bellichick could get it done with just about anyone. Having a guy like Brady just makes them consistently great instead of consistently very good.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.

Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?

It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

SOS not ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5177

SEA - 0.5295

SOS ignoring wins/losses affected by own team:

NE - 0.5469

SEA - 0.5156

Take it or leave it, I included both because when you include your own teams wins/losses against the other teams it penalizes the better teams.

So in other words, you want to take out the terrible AFC East you've been feasting on for over a decade. Makes sense.

They lost a meaningless game to Buffalo, similar to how the Seahawks played against Ryan Lindley.

Both are factored in.

So in other words, you've justified feasting on the weak AFC East.

Both are there, its plain as day that on paper SEA had a tougher SOS. If you dare to look any deeper than that, the picture becomes not so clear.

I'm not questioning the Pats SOS, in fact they both had some common opponents in the AFC West and Packers. What I protest to is that somehow the Seahawks had some sort of easy schedule, Packers fans said the same thing and that didn't end well. NFC IMO is stronger than the AFC, and the NFC West is brutal. We don't get to play the Jets twice, we have to play a Rams team who easily beat the Broncos.

 

[Anarchy99]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

As I said earlier, the Sea D is overrated and they aren't anywhere near as good as the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens.

Can you quantify this? Based on what metric?

Seahawks beat ARI ARI PHI after they accumulated a good record on the strength of another starting QB. They beat SF twice but they were a mess this year. They beat STL with a second or third stronger and lost to them as well. Both NE and SEA lost to KC. Both beat DEN but the Pats won going away. SEA played tough games early on, so tough to gauge truly how good they are lately. Other than today, when did they play a legit offense with a legit top ten QB on a playoff team?

They beat the best QB in football twice, and Wilson is 10-0 against QBs who have won a Super Bowl.

 

[proninja]

Seattle won't be facing a tactical genius like John Fox this time.

Pats 33

Hawks 23

Gotta give you an a for effort

 

[Eminence]

Pats win.

 

[ShamrockPride]

I don't see NE being denied this year. Brady is 100% intense and the team is firing on all cylinders. Brady and Belicheck cement their legacy with another SB.

You probably said that going into both those Giants SB's too, huh?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Pats got housed by the Broncos last year, Seahawks beat them by 35 in the Super Bowl.

I can play this game forever.

 

[Hooper31]

As I said earlier, the Sea D is overrated and they aren't anywhere near as good as the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens.

Can you quantify this? Based on what metric?

Seahawks beat ARI ARI PHI after they accumulated a good record on the strength of another starting QB. They beat SF twice but they were a mess this year. They beat STL with a second or third stronger and lost to them as well. Both NE and SEA lost to KC. Both beat DEN but the Pats won going away. SEA played tough games early on, so tough to gauge truly how good they are lately. Other than today, when did they play a legit offense with a legit top ten QB on a playoff team?

Fair enough. I disagree with the original quote. If leading the league in consecutive years in points and yards allowed is overrated, well, I'll take overrated. I hope they're this overrated next year too. They're in rare company with these stats. If you don't think they're the best defense of all times that's okay. Top five of all time? Whatever, that's meaningless.

The super bowl is just one more game. They're going to throw out the same starting lineup and ball in two weeks. I think they'll be fine. Doesn't mean they won't lose or get lit up. It happens to every team from time to time.

Next year they're looking at the same group of starters with the likely exception that Maxwell won't be here. He's going to be the one guy they can't afford to keep. It'll be time for Jeremy Lane and Tharold Simon to step up. Based on what we've seen this year I'm guessing Lane has the advantage. However, it will mean that someone else will have to step into the slot role.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Pats win.

There it is!!!!!

 

[bradyfan]

It will take a miracle for the Seahawks to win the SB.

Sorry, the miracle already happened.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915575/Pictured-Man-SURVIVED-crushed-two-big-rigs-84.html

 

[Doctor Detroit]

It will take a miracle for the Seahawks to win the SB.

Sorry, the miracle already happened.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915575/Pictured-Man-SURVIVED-crushed-two-big-rigs-84.html

Woah, WTF is that.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

WE'RE ON TO SEATTLE!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.

Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?

It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

No need to get nasty.

Are you talking about the SOS that is done before the year starts? Are you referring to Pro Football Reference? Where are you getting your SOS number? Is playing a crippled 11 win Cardinals team with their 3rd string QB equal to playing the 11 win Lions with their starting QB?

If you honestly believe Sea played a harder schedule we can go through it game by game and see where it takes us.

 

[Anarchy99]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Pats got housed by the Broncos last year, Seahawks beat them by 35 in the Super Bowl.I can play this game forever.

The only thing simliar to the team that lost to Denver last year and the team that just destroyed the Colts is that they both wore the same uniforms. Not even close to the same situation. Last year's Patriots team had a laundry list of guys on IR while this team is mostly healthy with some additional contributors and impact players.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Pats got housed by the Broncos last year, Seahawks beat them by 35 in the Super Bowl.If

I can play this game forever.

The only thing simliar to the team that lost to Denver last year and the team that just destroyed the Colts is that they both wore the same uniforms. Not even close to the same situation. Last year's Patriots team had a laundry list of guys on IR while this team is mostly healthy with some additional contributors and impact players.

If that makes you think you have a better shot in two weeks, cool.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.

Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?

It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

No need to get nasty.

Are you talking about the SOS that is done before the year starts? Are you referring to Pro Football Reference? Where are you getting your SOS number? Is playing a crippled 11 win Cardinals team with their 3rd string QB equal to playing the 11 win Lions with their starting QB?

If you honestly believe Sea played a harder schedule we can go through it game by game and see where it takes us.

Might as well, we have two weeks.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Seattle cut down on an impressive 21 rush yards a game since last season and were the #1 ranked pass D again, while this year being the only team in the league to give up less than 200 yards/game thru the air.

You can say what you want about their opponents, but if their opponents are going to be significantly worse than last season, then their defense should be significantly better, and it was this season.

 

[Riversco]

Bill Belichick is 0-5.

The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Patriots. That is why the Seahawks should be favored to win.

Over the past 3 years, teams with mobile QBs, QB who are a genuine threat to run, or who excel at moving around in the pocket, are undefeated vs Bill Belichick.

The list:

2012; The Patriots lost at home to Colin Kapernick. Allowed 41 points.

2012: The Patriots lost on the road to Russell Wilson. Allowed 24 points.

2013: They lost on the road to Cam Newton. Allowed 24 points.

2014: They even lost to Alex Smith, who is known as a mobile QB. Allowed 41 points.

2014: They lost to Aaron Rodgers, another mobile QB. Allowed 26 points.

The Patriots have played 5 mobile / running QBs. Lost to ALL of them.

0-5.

The Patriots lost 4 games in 2014. One was because they had clinched HFA so they didn't care. Two were to the only two QBs who could run or scramble around on their schedule.

The Patriots are 40-14 over the past 3 seasons. 0-5 vs mobile QBs, 40-9 vs everyone else.

Not sure why this is happening. When you look at the stats, its not like these mobile QBs are having huge days on the ground. But the Patriots have failed to shut down the opposing offense in any of those games. Maybe Belichick is able to guard against the running threat of a mobile QB, but it weakens his defense elsewhere and he hasn't found a solution yet.

Belichick can't beat teams with mobile QBs, and he can't shut down their offenses. I think for the Patriots to win, they'll have to post 30 on the Legion of Boom. Not happening.

Seahawks win.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

As I said earlier, the Sea D is overrated and they aren't anywhere near as good as the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens.

Can you quantify this? Based on what metric?

Seahawks beat ARI ARI PHI after they accumulated a good record on the strength of another starting QB. They beat SF twice but they were a mess this year. They beat STL with a second or third stronger and lost to them as well. Both NE and SEA lost to KC. Both beat DEN but the Pats won going away. SEA played tough games early on, so tough to gauge truly how good they are lately. Other than today, when did they play a legit offense with a legit top ten QB on a playoff team?

Fair enough. I disagree with the original quote. If leading the league in consecutive years in points and yards allowed is overrated, well, I'll take overrated. I hope they're this overrated next year too. They're in rare company with these stats. If you don't think they're the best defense of all times that's okay. Top five of all time? Whatever, that's meaningless.

The super bowl is just one more game. They're going to throw out the same starting lineup and ball in two weeks. I think they'll be fine. Doesn't mean they won't lose or get lit up. It happens to every team from time to time.

Next year they're looking at the same group of starters with the likely exception that Maxwell won't be here. He's going to be the one guy they can't afford to keep. It'll be time for Jeremy Lane and Tharold Simon to step up. Based on what we've seen this year I'm guessing Lane has the advantage. However, it will mean that someone else will have to step into the slot role.

I think their D stats are inflated by playing stiffs the whole 2nd half of the year and my suspicions were confirmed when I saw Car and GB moving the ball up and down the field on them. Doesn't mean I don't think their a good D, I just think they played a bunch of stiffs and when they play good QBs they don't look so dominant imho. We can agree to disagree no problem.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

ok

 

[Riversco]

What funny is I WOULD have picked the Packers over the Patriots because I figured Belichick would have to respect Rodgers scrambling ability. But Rodgers hurt his leg. He couldn't run. That was the entire key to beating the Patriots. So I would have picked the Patriots to win, because Belichick wouldn't have to respect Rodgers legs. But, they somehow didn't make it so we'll never know.

 

[Tool]

Bill Belichick is 0-5.

The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Patriots. That is why the Seahawks should be favored to win.

Over the past 3 years, teams with mobile QBs, QB who are a genuine threat to run, or who excel at moving around in the pocket, are undefeated vs Bill Belichick.

The list:

2012; The Patriots lost at home to Colin Kapernick. Allowed 41 points.

2012: The Patriots lost on the road to Russell Wilson. Allowed 24 points.

2013: They lost on the road to Cam Newton. Allowed 24 points.

2014: They even lost to Alex Smith, who is known as a mobile QB. Allowed 41 points.

2014: They lost to Aaron Rodgers, another mobile QB. Allowed 26 points.

The Patriots have played 5 mobile / running QBs. Lost to ALL of them.

0-5.

The Patriots lost 4 games in 2014. One was because they had clinched HFA so they didn't care. Two were to the only two QBs who could run or scramble around on their schedule.

The Patriots are 40-14 over the past 3 seasons. 0-5 vs mobile QBs, 40-9 vs everyone else.

Not sure why this is happening. When you look at the stats, its not like these mobile QBs are having huge days on the ground. But the Patriots have failed to shut down the opposing offense in any of those games. Maybe Belichick is able to guard against the running threat of a mobile QB, but it weakens his defense elsewhere and he hasn't found a solution yet.

Belichick can't beat teams with mobile QBs, and he can't shut down their offenses. I think for the Patriots to win, they'll have to post 30 on the Legion of Boom. Not happening.

Seahawks win.

If you're counting Rogers and Alex Smith, shouldn't Luck be included as well?

 

[Chaz McNulty]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Seriously?

The core of the Seahawks were all rookies or 2nd year players back then.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

ok

Is it?

 

[Anarchy99]

Seattle cut down on an impressive 21 rush yards a game since last season and were the #1 ranked pass D again, while this year being the only team in the league to give up less than 200 yards/game thru the air.

You can say what you want about their opponents, but if their opponents are going to be significantly worse than last season, then their defense should be significantly better, and it was this season.

The Panthers held the Cardinals to 77 yards, the lowest total in playoff history. So that makes them the greatest defense in history, right?

The point being, going up against teams without NFL caliber starting QBs will make most defenses look exceptionally good. The Pats made Andrew Lick look terrible tonight. The weather contributed to that, but the Pats still put up 45 points.

Yes, the SEA defense played great against some really ungood QBs this year. Who knows how they would have done against the true starters.

 

[Riversco]

Bill Belichick is 0-5.

The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Patriots. That is why the Seahawks should be favored to win.

Over the past 3 years, teams with mobile QBs, QB who are a genuine threat to run, or who excel at moving around in the pocket, are undefeated vs Bill Belichick.

The list:

2012; The Patriots lost at home to Colin Kapernick. Allowed 41 points.

2012: The Patriots lost on the road to Russell Wilson. Allowed 24 points.

2013: They lost on the road to Cam Newton. Allowed 24 points.

2014: They even lost to Alex Smith, who is known as a mobile QB. Allowed 41 points.

2014: They lost to Aaron Rodgers, another mobile QB. Allowed 26 points.

The Patriots have played 5 mobile / running QBs. Lost to ALL of them.

0-5.

The Patriots lost 4 games in 2014. One was because they had clinched HFA so they didn't care. Two were to the only two QBs who could run or scramble around on their schedule.

The Patriots are 40-14 over the past 3 seasons. 0-5 vs mobile QBs, 40-9 vs everyone else.

Not sure why this is happening. When you look at the stats, its not like these mobile QBs are having huge days on the ground. But the Patriots have failed to shut down the opposing offense in any of those games. Maybe Belichick is able to guard against the running threat of a mobile QB, but it weakens his defense elsewhere and he hasn't found a solution yet.

Belichick can't beat teams with mobile QBs, and he can't shut down their offenses. I think for the Patriots to win, they'll have to post 30 on the Legion of Boom. Not happening.

Seahawks win.

If you're counting Rogers and Alex Smith, shouldn't Luck be included as well?

No because the Colts don't even have a running GAME anyone would respect, so its completely different. If the Colts could find a RB who defenses would have to respect, they'd probably beat the Patriots.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Seattle cut down on an impressive 21 rush yards a game since last season and were the #1 ranked pass D again, while this year being the only team in the league to give up less than 200 yards/game thru the air.

You can say what you want about their opponents, but if their opponents are going to be significantly worse than last season, then their defense should be significantly better, and it was this season.

The Panthers held the Cardinals to 77 yards, the lowest total in playoff history. So that makes them the greatest defense in history, right?

The point being, going up against teams without NFL caliber starting QBs will make most defenses look exceptionally good. The Pats made Andrew Lick look terrible tonight. The weather contributed to that, but the Pats still put up 45 points.

Yes, the SEA defense played great against some really ungood QBs this year. Who knows how they would have done against the true starters.

And they were 2-0 against the best QB in the league. Even Steven!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Colts stink, let's not use that win as any barometer of what might happen in two weeks. AFC had a bunch of trash teams, Ravens and Pats were good and the rest was fodder. NFC had a team in the Eagles that would have made the AFCCG IMO, with mark Sanchez. Because Mark Sanchez excels in the AFC playoffs!

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Bill Belichick is 0-5.

The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Patriots. That is why the Seahawks should be favored to win.

Over the past 3 years, teams with mobile QBs, QB who are a genuine threat to run, or who excel at moving around in the pocket, are undefeated vs Bill Belichick.

The list:

2012; The Patriots lost at home to Colin Kapernick. Allowed 41 points.

2012: The Patriots lost on the road to Russell Wilson. Allowed 24 points.

2013: They lost on the road to Cam Newton. Allowed 24 points.

2014: They even lost to Alex Smith, who is known as a mobile QB. Allowed 41 points.

2014: They lost to Aaron Rodgers, another mobile QB. Allowed 26 points.

The Patriots have played 5 mobile / running QBs. Lost to ALL of them.

0-5.

The Patriots lost 4 games in 2014. One was because they had clinched HFA so they didn't care. Two were to the only two QBs who could run or scramble around on their schedule.

The Patriots are 40-14 over the past 3 seasons. 0-5 vs mobile QBs, 40-9 vs everyone else.

Not sure why this is happening. When you look at the stats, its not like these mobile QBs are having huge days on the ground. But the Patriots have failed to shut down the opposing offense in any of those games. Maybe Belichick is able to guard against the running threat of a mobile QB, but it weakens his defense elsewhere and he hasn't found a solution yet.

Belichick can't beat teams with mobile QBs, and he can't shut down their offenses. I think for the Patriots to win, they'll have to post 30 on the Legion of Boom. Not happening.

Seahawks win.

If you're counting Rogers and Alex Smith, shouldn't Luck be included as well?

no, we don't count anyone they beat -- messes up the pattern

they're 0-5 against mobile qb that they lost to