Super Bowl 49 discussion thread: Seahawks vs Patriots (Poll added) (1 Viewer)

[Anarchy99]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Seriously?The core of the Seahawks were all rookies or 2nd year players back then.

Seattle went 12-4 that year. Clearly they were already a good team with strong players. I said they had a lot of the same players and they got better. What more do you want me to say?

 

[Freelove]

1,000 pages.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

1,000 pages.

At least

 

[tombonneau]

Bill Belichick is 0-5.

The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Patriots. That is why the Seahawks should be favored to win.

Over the past 3 years, teams with mobile QBs, QB who are a genuine threat to run, or who excel at moving around in the pocket, are undefeated vs Bill Belichick.

The list:

2012; The Patriots lost at home to Colin Kapernick. Allowed 41 points.

2012: The Patriots lost on the road to Russell Wilson. Allowed 24 points.

2013: They lost on the road to Cam Newton. Allowed 24 points.

2014: They even lost to Alex Smith, who is known as a mobile QB. Allowed 41 points.

2014: They lost to Aaron Rodgers, another mobile QB. Allowed 26 points.

The Patriots have played 5 mobile / running QBs. Lost to ALL of them.

0-5.

The Patriots lost 4 games in 2014. One was because they had clinched HFA so they didn't care. Two were to the only two QBs who could run or scramble around on their schedule.

The Patriots are 40-14 over the past 3 seasons. 0-5 vs mobile QBs, 40-9 vs everyone else.

Not sure why this is happening. When you look at the stats, its not like these mobile QBs are having huge days on the ground. But the Patriots have failed to shut down the opposing offense in any of those games. Maybe Belichick is able to guard against the running threat of a mobile QB, but it weakens his defense elsewhere and he hasn't found a solution yet.

Belichick can't beat teams with mobile QBs, and he can't shut down their offenses. I think for the Patriots to win, they'll have to post 30 on the Legion of Boom. Not happening.

Seahawks win.

If you're counting Rogers and Alex Smith, shouldn't Luck be included as well?

Well duh that would invalidate his argument why would he want to do that?

 

[Anarchy99]

Bill Belichick is 0-5.

The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Patriots. That is why the Seahawks should be favored to win.

Over the past 3 years, teams with mobile QBs, QB who are a genuine threat to run, or who excel at moving around in the pocket, are undefeated vs Bill Belichick.

The list:

2012; The Patriots lost at home to Colin Kapernick. Allowed 41 points.

2012: The Patriots lost on the road to Russell Wilson. Allowed 24 points.

2013: They lost on the road to Cam Newton. Allowed 24 points.

2014: They even lost to Alex Smith, who is known as a mobile QB. Allowed 41 points.

2014: They lost to Aaron Rodgers, another mobile QB. Allowed 26 points.

The Patriots have played 5 mobile / running QBs. Lost to ALL of them.

0-5.

The Patriots lost 4 games in 2014. One was because they had clinched HFA so they didn't care. Two were to the only two QBs who could run or scramble around on their schedule.

The Patriots are 40-14 over the past 3 seasons. 0-5 vs mobile QBs, 40-9 vs everyone else.

Not sure why this is happening. When you look at the stats, its not like these mobile QBs are having huge days on the ground. But the Patriots have failed to shut down the opposing offense in any of those games. Maybe Belichick is able to guard against the running threat of a mobile QB, but it weakens his defense elsewhere and he hasn't found a solution yet.

Belichick can't beat teams with mobile QBs, and he can't shut down their offenses. I think for the Patriots to win, they'll have to post 30 on the Legion of Boom. Not happening.

Seahawks win.

If you're counting Rogers and Alex Smith, shouldn't Luck be included as well?

no, we don't count anyone they beat -- messes up the pattern

they're 0-5 against mobile qb that they lost to

Or you could say they lost four tough road games and a home game against a team that went to the Super Bowl (in a game that they turned the ball over four times and rebounded from a 28 point deficit to tie the score).As you said, the running QB part didn't really factor in, so I am inclined to think that that element did not play a major role in those loses.

 

[ShamrockPride]

FYI, Russ Wilson is a career 0-6 (including playoffs) when teams put up >24 on him...but that's only what, 6 times in 55 career games.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

FYI, Russ Wilson is a career 0-6 (including playoffs) when teams put up >24 on him...but that's only what, 6 times in 55 career games.

Pats won't score 24, problem solved.

 

[Hooper31]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Seriously?The core of the Seahawks were all rookies or 2nd year players back then.

Seattle went 12-4 that year. Clearly they were already a good team with strong players. I said they had a lot of the same players and they got better. What more do you want me to say?

How has Seattle played over the past three years when facing quality NFL QBs? Heck, you can even pick the ones you think are worthy. I'm guessing they've played well against whoever you choose to pick.

 

[Hooper31]

FYI, Russ Wilson is a career 0-6 (including playoffs) when teams put up >24 on him...but that's only what, 6 times in 55 career games.

I wish he would have played better defense in those game.

 

[ShamrockPride]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Seriously?The core of the Seahawks were all rookies or 2nd year players back then.

Seattle went 12-4 that year. Clearly they were already a good team with strong players. I said they had a lot of the same players and they got better. What more do you want me to say?

How has Seattle played over the past three years when facing quality NFL QBs? Heck, you can even pick the ones you think are worthy. I'm guessing they've played well against whoever you choose top pick.

10-0 against SB winners.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

my only comment on the mobile qb angle is that it might kind of kill their pass rush and give the guy a bit of time to throw, as they like to contain.

but they just held luck to 7, so I can't really be worried about it.

last time the pats saw wilson he torched them on several 50 yd plays when our secondary was mccourty + dennard at corners with tavon wilson at safety.

tavon is now more of a dimebacker, dennard got pushed off the roster, and mccourty moved over to safety where he excels.

gonna be an awesome game

 

[voiceofunreason]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

ok

Is it?

Gonna be an amazingly tough battle with this crowd, but you look like you have the troll dynasty all wrapped up. And a Seattle fan, imagine that.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

ok

Is it?

Gonna be an amazingly tough battle with this crowd, but you look like you have the troll dynasty all wrapped up. And a Seattle fan, imagine that.

Is it?

 

[Freelove]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

ok

Is it?

Gonna be an amazingly tough battle with this crowd, but you look like you have the troll dynasty all wrapped up. And a Seattle bandwagon fan, imagine that.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

ok

Is it?

Gonna be an amazingly tough battle with this crowd, but you look like you have the troll dynasty all wrapped up. And a Seattle bandwagon fan, imagine that.

Link? Don't know what you are talking about do you? Been here since 2003, Rusty.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Seriously?The core of the Seahawks were all rookies or 2nd year players back then.

Seattle went 12-4 that year. Clearly they were already a good team with strong players. I said they had a lot of the same players and they got better. What more do you want me to say?

How has Seattle played over the past three years when facing quality NFL QBs? Heck, you can even pick the ones you think are worthy. I'm guessing they've played well against whoever you choose to pick.

I'd say outside brady, manning, rodgers, and brees they really haven't beaten any top qb

 

[tjnc09]

If I'm going to sit through an hour long half time show and commercials every 20 seconds, this is the matchup I want to see as a non-Seattle/non-New England fan. Last year it felt like 49ers-Seahawks was the Super Bowl. Denver was too one dimensional and Seattle had advantages in the running game, defense, coaching and outdoor venue. This year I don't know. Two weeks for these two coaches is a very long time.

 

[travdogg]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Pats got housed by the Broncos last year, Seahawks beat them by 35 in the Super Bowl.

I can play this game forever.

Got housed? They lost by 10, and had no Gronk, or Revis, or Wilfork then.

Seattle had Red Bryant(who they have really missed) and Percy Harvin and Golden Tate.

I think it will be close, but I also think there is nothing of value to be learned from the previous Pats-Hawks game, or last years super bowl.

 

[Hooper31]

DD and I were reminiscing about a Seahawk win from just over 31 years ago (Miami in 83) after the win today. Sure, he's a "bandwagon" fan.

 

[Anarchy99]

Again, I am not saying the Seahawks defense is not a force to be reckoned with, but the latter part of the year they played some tomato cans for QBs. Away from home they are still very good, just not the same as at home.

Seattle with Wilson in Seattle is a combined 26-2 and 16-11 playing away from home.

 

[Your Mother's Twin Sister]

Can both these teams somehow lose????????

 

[Hooper31]

Seattle had Red Bryant(who they have really missed)

I like Red for many reasons, but they haven't missed Bryant this season.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Seriously?The core of the Seahawks were all rookies or 2nd year players back then.

Seattle went 12-4 that year. Clearly they were already a good team with strong players. I said they had a lot of the same players and they got better. What more do you want me to say?

How has Seattle played over the past three years when facing quality NFL QBs? Heck, you can even pick the ones you think are worthy. I'm guessing they've played well against whoever you choose to pick.

I'd say outside brady, manning, rodgers, and brees they really haven't beaten any top qb

You serious Clark?

 

[tombonneau]

FYI, Russ Wilson is a career 0-6 (including playoffs) when teams put up >24 on him...but that's only what, 6 times in 55 career games.

I wish he would have played better defense in those game.

I think the point was that Wilson has a great defense and doesn't need to score a lot of points. I'm just happy to see the Pats be able to end the season with a healthy Gronk as he makes a huge difference, even when he's simply drawing double coverage. I'll be surprised if a Pats team with a healthy Gronk only puts up 20.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

DD and I were reminiscing about a Seahawk win from just over 31 years ago (Miami in 83) after the win today. Sure, he's a "bandwagon" fan.

No reason I should have stayed a Seahawks fan, but I did. People I went to High School with PM'd me at facebook last year after the Seahawks won. I leave an impression.

 

[ShamrockPride]

The last time these teams played in 2012, the Pats had 475 yards of offense playing in Seattle. The Hawks won on a 46 yard bomb in the last 90 seconds to win by a point. IMO, this Pats team is far superior to that one. Seattle also better, but with many of the same players as now.

Seriously?The core of the Seahawks were all rookies or 2nd year players back then.

Seattle went 12-4 that year. Clearly they were already a good team with strong players. I said they had a lot of the same players and they got better. What more do you want me to say?

How has Seattle played over the past three years when facing quality NFL QBs? Heck, you can even pick the ones you think are worthy. I'm guessing they've played well against whoever you choose to pick.

I'd say outside brady, manning, rodgers, and brees they really haven't beaten any top qb

LOL, this is sarcasm right?...

 

[travdogg]

Bill Belichick is 0-5.

The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Patriots. That is why the Seahawks should be favored to win.

Over the past 3 years, teams with mobile QBs, QB who are a genuine threat to run, or who excel at moving around in the pocket, are undefeated vs Bill Belichick.

The list:

2012; The Patriots lost at home to Colin Kapernick. Allowed 41 points.

2012: The Patriots lost on the road to Russell Wilson. Allowed 24 points.

2013: They lost on the road to Cam Newton. Allowed 24 points.

2014: They even lost to Alex Smith, who is known as a mobile QB. Allowed 41 points.

2014: They lost to Aaron Rodgers, another mobile QB. Allowed 26 points.

The Patriots have played 5 mobile / running QBs. Lost to ALL of them.

0-5.

The Patriots lost 4 games in 2014. One was because they had clinched HFA so they didn't care. Two were to the only two QBs who could run or scramble around on their schedule.

The Patriots are 40-14 over the past 3 seasons. 0-5 vs mobile QBs, 40-9 vs everyone else.

Not sure why this is happening. When you look at the stats, its not like these mobile QBs are having huge days on the ground. But the Patriots have failed to shut down the opposing offense in any of those games. Maybe Belichick is able to guard against the running threat of a mobile QB, but it weakens his defense elsewhere and he hasn't found a solution yet.

Belichick can't beat teams with mobile QBs, and he can't shut down their offenses. I think for the Patriots to win, they'll have to post 30 on the Legion of Boom. Not happening.

Seahawks win.

If you're counting Rogers and Alex Smith, shouldn't Luck be included as well?

Or Tannehill, he runs a bunch. Or Geno Smith even? Kinda cherry picking here.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

FYI, Russ Wilson is a career 0-6 (including playoffs) when teams put up >24 on him...but that's only what, 6 times in 55 career games.

I wish he would have played better defense in those game.

I think the point was that Wilson has a great defense and doesn't need to score a lot of points.I'm just happy to see the Pats be able to end the season with a healthy Gronk as he makes a huge difference, even when he's simply drawing double coverage. I'll be surprised if a Pats team with a healthy Gronk only puts up 20.

don't jinx us, dude

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

DD and I were reminiscing about a Seahawk win from just over 31 years ago (Miami in 83) after the win today. Sure, he's a "bandwagon" fan.

No reason I should have stayed a Seahawks fan, but I did. People I went to High School with PM'd me at facebook last year after the Seahawks won. I leave an impression.

like a giant ### in a beanbag chair

 

[travdogg]

Seattle had Red Bryant(who they have really missed)

I like Red for many reasons, but they haven't missed Bryant this season.

I feel they have missed his presence in run defense, and as a team leader. Not as much as Tate or Harvin but still a missing piece.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

DD and I were reminiscing about a Seahawk win from just over 31 years ago (Miami in 83) after the win today. Sure, he's a "bandwagon" fan.

No reason I should have stayed a Seahawks fan, but I did. People I went to High School with PM'd me at facebook last year after the Seahawks won. I leave an impression.

like a giant ### in a beanbag chair

I'm fine with that analogy.

 

[chauncey]

I picture DD sipping on a nice cognac by a crackling fire, picking off these weak arguments one by one like his name is Chris Kyle.

 

[Hooper31]

Seattle had Red Bryant(who they have really missed)

I like Red for many reasons, but they haven't missed Bryant this season.

I feel they have missed his presence in run defense, and as a team leader. Not as much as Tate or Harvin but still a missing piece.

Is that just a gut feeling? Or can you quantify that with stats?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I picture DD sipping on a nice cognac by a crackling fire, picking off these weak arguments one by one like his name is Chris Kyle.

You sir, are a great American.

 

[tombonneau]

FYI, Russ Wilson is a career 0-6 (including playoffs) when teams put up >24 on him...but that's only what, 6 times in 55 career games.

I wish he would have played better defense in those game.

I think the point was that Wilson has a great defense and doesn't need to score a lot of points.I'm just happy to see the Pats be able to end the season with a healthy Gronk as he makes a huge difference, even when he's simply drawing double coverage. I'll be surprised if a Pats team with a healthy Gronk only puts up 20.

I'd still be surprised. I just went to PFR to look at splits. The team scored 17 and 20 maybe three times with a healthy Gronk. He's a difference maker. Seattle is statistically average vs tight ends. And Lacy, a very similar back to Blount, just ran all over them. This ain't gonna be John Fox's donkeys trotting into Glendale. My life on the line I take Seattle and the D, but Hawks fans looking at back to back blowouts are overlooking a very good Patriots team.

 

[Hooper31]

I picture DD sipping on a nice cognac by a crackling fire, picking off these weak arguments one by one like his name is Chris Kyle.

Not exactly how I see it, but close. I imagine a pipe and smoking jacket to complete the scene.

DD does like to point out others fallacious arguments. I get that it rubs some folks the wrong way, but that can be fun from his point of view. Say something silly and he's going to let you know. He's no troll. He may like to get a rise out of someone, but he's not a blind homer randomly throwing out hyperbole.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

My smoking jacket

ETA: I'll add some likes tomorrow. JB and Dodds promised me more likes but I guess that chit never got cashed.

 

[Hooper31]

And Lacy, a very similar back to Blount, just ran all over them.

I strongly disagree with this. Blount is a big dude, but he's no "power back". Lacy is a load. Lynch is a beast. Those guys are power backs.

Blount has nimble feet and can make a dude miss now and then, but he's not really into lowering his shoulder and pushing a pile. Given the choice he's more likely to bounce a run and side step contact.

 

[msudaisy26]

Bill Belichick is 0-5.

The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Patriots. That is why the Seahawks should be favored to win.

Over the past 3 years, teams with mobile QBs, QB who are a genuine threat to run, or who excel at moving around in the pocket, are undefeated vs Bill Belichick.

The list:

2012; The Patriots lost at home to Colin Kapernick. Allowed 41 points.

2012: The Patriots lost on the road to Russell Wilson. Allowed 24 points.

2013: They lost on the road to Cam Newton. Allowed 24 points.

2014: They even lost to Alex Smith, who is known as a mobile QB. Allowed 41 points.

2014: They lost to Aaron Rodgers, another mobile QB. Allowed 26 points.

The Patriots have played 5 mobile / running QBs. Lost to ALL of them.

0-5.

The Patriots lost 4 games in 2014. One was because they had clinched HFA so they didn't care. Two were to the only two QBs who could run or scramble around on their schedule.

The Patriots are 40-14 over the past 3 seasons. 0-5 vs mobile QBs, 40-9 vs everyone else.

Not sure why this is happening. When you look at the stats, its not like these mobile QBs are having huge days on the ground. But the Patriots have failed to shut down the opposing offense in any of those games. Maybe Belichick is able to guard against the running threat of a mobile QB, but it weakens his defense elsewhere and he hasn't found a solution yet.

Belichick can't beat teams with mobile QBs, and he can't shut down their offenses. I think for the Patriots to win, they'll have to post 30 on the Legion of Boom. Not happening.

Seahawks win.

If you're counting Rogers and Alex Smith, shouldn't Luck be included as well?

Or Tannehill, he runs a bunch. Or Geno Smith even? Kinda cherry picking here.

He is reaching with his cherry picked stats, but Geno Smith come on. There really is no reason to reply/listen to to Riversco when the discussion is about the Patriots. His hatred of them always gets in the way.

 

[Hooper31]

My smoking jacket

Promise me you'll call someone "you big dummy" this week so I can imagine the correct voice inflection.

LINK

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I was at the bar tonight with a bunch of Brady haters. I don't get why people hate Brady, guy is awesome.

I hope he sucks on January 31st, but the guy is balls deep. Stop hating yo.

 

[msudaisy26]

If Seattle is successful in taking away the run in the first half. I doubt Blount even leads the running backs in snaps in the Super Bowl.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

My smoking jacket

Promise me you'll call someone "you big dummy" this week so I can imagine the correct voice inflection.

LINK

Book it

 

[tombonneau]

And Lacy, a very similar back to Blount, just ran all over them.

I strongly disagree with this. Blount is a big dude, but he's no "power back". Lacy is a load. Lynch is a beast. Those guys are power backs.

Blount has nimble feet and can make a dude miss now and then, but he's not really into lowering his shoulder and pushing a pile. Given the choice he's more likely to bounce a run and side step contact.

I've watched every snap of him as a Patriot and would say he is more power than speed. Just because he can make a jump cut doesn't mean he can't run over people. Can't find quick yards after contact stat but guessing it's high for Blount.

 

[Hooper31]

And Lacy, a very similar back to Blount, just ran all over them.

I strongly disagree with this. Blount is a big dude, but he's no "power back". Lacy is a load. Lynch is a beast. Those guys are power backs.

Blount has nimble feet and can make a dude miss now and then, but he's not really into lowering his shoulder and pushing a pile. Given the choice he's more likely to bounce a run and side step contact.

I've watched every snap of him as a Patriot and would say he is more power than speed. Just because he can make a jump cut doesn't mean he can't run over people. Can't find quick yards after contact stat but guessing it's high for Blount.

Perhaps. Maybe I'm just biased after watching the best power back for several years. Lynch has led the league in yards after contact for quite a while now. His ability to run through contact is awesome.

 

[drummer]

The team who can run the ball more will win.

Explicitly run, or does the pseudo-run through the short-intermediate pass game count?

Lot more moving parts to a short game passing attack, as opposed to an offensive line having their will against a defensive line plowing forward. Although the modern run game has a lot more moving parts today than even a few years ago lol.

QB to QB - Brady has a lot more command of offense of course than Wilson has. But Wilson is just plain clutch. Yet both will depend on the run game due to the defenses. I don't want to ever see a QB-centric "Manning" based offense in a big game again, because the last SB sucked ###. The rushing offense is going to be huge this upcoming SB.

ETA: I should say "Peyton offense", since Eli proved more clutch than Peyton, lol.

 

[Jercules]

Can NE run the ball on Seattle? The Seahawks are the lightest team in the league, and the Patriots have no issue with ramming Blount down their throats if it's the path to glory.

Can the Patriots stop Seattle's offense? They generally fare pretty good against the run--then again that effort against Baltimore was awful.

Can they stop Wilson? Green Bay just did, and that defense is nothing special. NE have certainly mastered the art of the 'controlled rush', where they never actually get any sacks but they do keep the QB contained. If Seattle can't get playaction going, and are forced to rely on precision passing from Wilson, they'll be in rough shape.

I dunno, seems to be a minority opinion on here but I like the Patriots' chances.

 

[tombonneau]

And Lacy, a very similar back to Blount, just ran all over them.

I strongly disagree with this. Blount is a big dude, but he's no "power back". Lacy is a load. Lynch is a beast. Those guys are power backs.

Blount has nimble feet and can make a dude miss now and then, but he's not really into lowering his shoulder and pushing a pile. Given the choice he's more likely to bounce a run and side step contact.

I've watched every snap of him as a Patriot and would say he is more power than speed. Just because he can make a jump cut doesn't mean he can't run over people. Can't find quick yards after contact stat but guessing it's high for Blount.

Perhaps. Maybe I'm just biased after watching the best power back for several years. Lynch has led the league in yards after contact for quite a while now. His ability to run through contact is awesome.

Certainly he doesn't seek the contact Lynch does, but if they feed Blount consistently I think he can have enough success vs Seattle to open up passing game. If Pats go pass pass pass I think it's long night. You play into the D's strength which I don't think BB will do.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I dunno, seems to be a minority opinion on here but I like the Patriots' chances.

Game is a pick'em in Vegas, everyone has a chance.

 

[Raider Nation]

DD and I were reminiscing about a Seahawk win from just over 31 years ago (Miami in 83) after the win today. Sure, he's a "bandwagon" fan.

How'd the following game turn out?