Super Bowl 49 discussion thread: Seahawks vs Patriots (Poll added) (4 Viewers)

[NE_REVIVAL]

Seattle is very vulnerable with their mediocre offense. And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore. Wilson is what he is. A fantastic athlete & a so-so passer.

New England can certainly be beat, but in today's NFL, I'll take offense over defense any day. I think the Pats will likely win, but the teams are close enough it could go either way.

And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore.

LMAO first of all you don't start sentences with and, and second of all did you watch the game???? The D can't carry them WHAT??????? u serious bro... did you not see the 6 turnovers and the 2 goalline stands.... That game could have been over in the first half if not for the D. I hate to bash other posters because I believe we all make this thread amazing but that was the stupidest post I ever read... Number 1 d, gave up 15 points per game all year, one of the top 3 all time great Defenses up with the 85 Bears and 00 Ravens and your gonna sit their and say the D can't bail them out after they played their asses off and held Rogers under 200 and basically got the job done big time. Shots out to Russell Wilson, guy is a super competitor and he is an amazing person. 90 percent of the Qbs would have been out of the game after the Matthews blindside dirty hit.... Funny to me that if SUH did that the world would have stopped. Matthews puts a super dirty hit trying to knock the guy out and no one says a word, no penalty, nothing ...... If you go and watch that hit that was vicious and Im surprised Russell stayed in game and didn't have concussion.... I almost guarantee Wilson won that game for them with a concussion.... Baller, no other word to describe it, even after having a horrendous start. 27-21 Seattle Wins Back2Back superbowls and Russell goes on to beat the 2 greatest qbs in history in back2back years... DYNASTY, and I called it back in august :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: . Hope you pats fans don't put to much money on your boy brady, 3/6 aint to shabby though... Russell 2/2

As a Pats fan I couldn't be happier and this SB win was as (or more) sweet than 2001 so it has been easy to ignore the tools\trolls\antagonists who just can't bring themselves to admit they were wrong.

Having said that, Football Jones was so right on the money its almost scary,

Sea is 3rd best defense ever? If that were true then Brady truly is a god; more likely the Sea def is just really, really good, but Brady is just a little better.

 

[DropKick]

Fixed?!? Just a horrible call at the worse time. The end.

Maybe the Bills can challenge the Pats next year for the division so its no more a 2 games-> Superbowl cakewalk.

Buffalo needs to focus on getting a QB first.

Maybe you weren't paying attention either but the Pats schedule this year definitely wasn't a cakewalk.

He's probably referring to the fact that they've been spotted at least four wins for over a decade because the division is so weak. No one else even breaks even in AFC East play since 2001. Makes it a little easier in playoff seeding.

yes

The NFC West is light's out right now... The opposite was true 5 years ago.. Other divisions are a mixed bag.

The AFC East usually has an above .500 record which means, collectively, they're winning more games outside their division than losing... In 2013, 34-30... In 2014, 33-31. So, by definition, some other divisions must not be so good, right?

After those 6 division games, a team finishing 1st in its division the prior year must play 10 other games. Here is the breakdown:

4 1st place teams

2 2nd place teams

2 3rd place teams

2 4th place teams

 

[DropKick]

buffalo managed to beat us this year, which is more than I can say for seattle

Week 17; rest your players... Let's be fair about this..

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

buffalo managed to beat us this year, which is more than I can say for seattle

Buffalo has a really good defense and now a really good coach; if they get a competent QB\offense watch out.

 

[pats3in4]

Brady picked apart the vaunted Seattle D because (a) the OL played an outstanding game in giving Brady time when needed and (b) Seattle's stubbornness to play their standard coverages played right into New England's hands on preparing a game plan based on film study and exploiting weaknesses.

Pats want to take Baldwin out of the game? Fine, they stick Revis on him no matter where he goes. Pats are getting torched by Matthews? Fine, they stick big Brandon Browner on him and he goes away. That's good coaching.

Pats want to get Edelman going? They move him away from Sherman's side and get him lined up on Simon or Maxwell. Pats want to get Gronk going? They get him isolated wide on KJ Wright (oof). The Pats *knew* they could get the matchups they wanted because Seattle doesn't adjust for nobody. I don't know if that's confidence or cockiness, but it cost them.

Guys like John Harbaugh and even Rex Ryan would have had Sherman on Edelman all over the field and always a safety on Gronk with likely LB helping man-underneath (think D'Qwell Jackson's pick in the AFCCG). Like Belichick, those guys understand the importance of taking away the opposition's biggest weapons and making them beat you with the lesser cast.

It's strange to see Pete Carroll, a defensive guru, be so rigid in his defensive philosophy, but clearly open-minded in his offensive approach. Bringing in Matthews was genius and the Pats took a while to adjust. A little more flexibility with his Legion of Boom and Seattle is likely hoisting the Lombardi with ease. The Pats had a lot less margin for error than Seattle did based on the overall matchups, but clearly had the coaching edge in this game. It was the difference and not just thanks to that fateful call at the end.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

This post makes me laugh

You make me ashamed to have "chaos" in my name.

 

[Bad_Mo]

buffalo managed to beat us this year, which is more than I can say for seattle

Buffalo has a really good defense and now a really good coach; if they get a competent QB\offense watch out.

Yeah, but Rex is still coaching the offense too.

 

[Bad_Mo]

NE can't stop the run and their offense lacks playmakers against a superior defense. Ravens proved it already, Seahawks will have a better game plan and better execution in two weeks. Is Julian Edleman going to go off on Sherman? No. Seahawks will push coverage to Gronk with strong LB play and Kam, and these average Amendolas will have to make plays.

Gonna be a long night.

Looks like the average Amendolas, Butlers, etc. did make plays in addition to stellar performances by Edelman, Gronkowski and Vereen, the nobody playmakers on offense.

 

[kwille]

Seattle is very vulnerable with their mediocre offense. And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore. Wilson is what he is. A fantastic athlete & a so-so passer.

New England can certainly be beat, but in today's NFL, I'll take offense over defense any day. I think the Pats will likely win, but the teams are close enough it could go either way.

And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore.LMAO first of all you don't start sentences with and, and second of all did you watch the game???? The D can't carry them WHAT??????? u serious bro... did you not see the 6 turnovers and the 2 goalline stands.... That game could have been over in the first half if not for the D. I hate to bash other posters because I believe we all make this thread amazing but that was the stupidest post I ever read... Number 1 d, gave up 15 points per game all year, one of the top 3 all time great Defenses up with the 85 Bears and 00 Ravens and your gonna sit their and say the D can't bail them out after they played their asses off and held Rogers under 200 and basically got the job done big time. Shots out to Russell Wilson, guy is a super competitor and he is an amazing person. 90 percent of the Qbs would have been out of the game after the Matthews blindside dirty hit.... Funny to me that if SUH did that the world would have stopped. Matthews puts a super dirty hit trying to knock the guy out and no one says a word, no penalty, nothing ...... If you go and watch that hit that was vicious and Im surprised Russell stayed in game and didn't have concussion.... I almost guarantee Wilson won that game for them with a concussion.... Baller, no other word to describe it, even after having a horrendous start. 27-21 Seattle Wins Back2Back superbowls and Russell goes on to beat the 2 greatest qbs in history in back2back years... DYNASTY, and I called it back in august :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: . Hope you pats fans don't put to much money on your boy brady, 3/6 aint to shabby though... Russell 2/2

Dynasty my ###.

As Ron Wolf would say, they are nothing but a fart in the wind.

 

[T with T]

Seattle is very vulnerable with their mediocre offense. And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore. Wilson is what he is. A fantastic athlete & a so-so passer.

New England can certainly be beat, but in today's NFL, I'll take offense over defense any day. I think the Pats will likely win, but the teams are close enough it could go either way.

And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore.

LMAO first of all you don't start sentences with and, and second of all did you watch the game???? The D can't carry them WHAT??????? u serious bro... did you not see the 6 turnovers and the 2 goalline stands.... That game could have been over in the first half if not for the D. I hate to bash other posters because I believe we all make this thread amazing but that was the stupidest post I ever read... Number 1 d, gave up 15 points per game all year, one of the top 3 all time great Defenses up with the 85 Bears and 00 Ravens and your gonna sit their and say the D can't bail them out after they played their asses off and held Rogers under 200 and basically got the job done big time. Shots out to Russell Wilson, guy is a super competitor and he is an amazing person. 90 percent of the Qbs would have been out of the game after the Matthews blindside dirty hit.... Funny to me that if SUH did that the world would have stopped. Matthews puts a super dirty hit trying to knock the guy out and no one says a word, no penalty, nothing ...... If you go and watch that hit that was vicious and Im surprised Russell stayed in game and didn't have concussion.... I almost guarantee Wilson won that game for them with a concussion.... Baller, no other word to describe it, even after having a horrendous start. 27-21 Seattle Wins Back2Back superbowls and Russell goes on to beat the 2 greatest qbs in history in back2back years... DYNASTY, and I called it back in august :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: . Hope you pats fans don't put to much money on your boy brady, 3/6 aint to shabby though... Russell 2/2

As a Pats fan I couldn't be happier and this SB win was as (or more) sweet than 2001 so it has been easy to ignore the tools\trolls\antagonists who just can't bring themselves to admit they were wrong.

Having said that, Football Jones was so right on the money its almost scary,

Sea is 3rd best defense ever? If that were true then Brady truly is a god; more likely the Sea def is just really, really good, but Brady is just a little better.

Brady very easily should have lost the game, did you see the look on his face he thought it was over...... guy got bailed out by an amazing play or a thrown game either way not that impressive... Joe Montana is still the greatest sorry Brady stans.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

as a neutral observer and my hate for both teams about equal let me say ...

that was a classic game

throwing a pass at the 1 is dumb, but they only had 1 time out, so you were throwing on 2nd or 3rd down regardless

to me I read/option wilson/lynch with a wilson keeper.

Both teams will be fine next year, IMO the Pats needs Revis back and Seattle needs better weapons to throw to than Chris Mathews and Rocardo Lockette, sheesh

 

[Old Smiley]

Seattle is very vulnerable with their mediocre offense. And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore. Wilson is what he is. A fantastic athlete & a so-so passer.

New England can certainly be beat, but in today's NFL, I'll take offense over defense any day. I think the Pats will likely win, but the teams are close enough it could go either way.

And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore.

LMAO first of all you don't start sentences with and, and second of all did you watch the game???? The D can't carry them WHAT??????? u serious bro... did you not see the 6 turnovers and the 2 goalline stands.... That game could have been over in the first half if not for the D. I hate to bash other posters because I believe we all make this thread amazing but that was the stupidest post I ever read... Number 1 d, gave up 15 points per game all year, one of the top 3 all time great Defenses up with the 85 Bears and 00 Ravens and your gonna sit their and say the D can't bail them out after they played their asses off and held Rogers under 200 and basically got the job done big time. Shots out to Russell Wilson, guy is a super competitor and he is an amazing person. 90 percent of the Qbs would have been out of the game after the Matthews blindside dirty hit.... Funny to me that if SUH did that the world would have stopped. Matthews puts a super dirty hit trying to knock the guy out and no one says a word, no penalty, nothing ...... If you go and watch that hit that was vicious and Im surprised Russell stayed in game and didn't have concussion.... I almost guarantee Wilson won that game for them with a concussion.... Baller, no other word to describe it, even after having a horrendous start. 27-21 Seattle Wins Back2Back superbowls and Russell goes on to beat the 2 greatest qbs in history in back2back years... DYNASTY, and I called it back in august :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: . Hope you pats fans don't put to much money on your boy brady, 3/6 aint to shabby though... Russell 2/2

As a Pats fan I couldn't be happier and this SB win was as (or more) sweet than 2001 so it has been easy to ignore the tools\trolls\antagonists who just can't bring themselves to admit they were wrong.

Having said that, Football Jones was so right on the money its almost scary,

Sea is 3rd best defense ever? If that were true then Brady truly is a god; more likely the Sea def is just really, really good, but Brady is just a little better.

Brady very easily should have lost the game, did you see the look on his face he thought it was over...... guy got bailed out by an amazing play or a thrown game either way not that impressive... Joe Montana is still the greatest sorry Brady stans.

He just went the length of the field twice going 13/15 and scoring twice. And then it looked like they were going to lose on a pulled-out-of-your-butt catch AGAIN. I was shaking my head too, you bet.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I think the hawks are the class of the nfc unless green bay upgrades its secondary.

 

[12punch]

should be a lesson to all the seattle fans chirping in here --- you don't tug on superman's cape

 

[MarcO]

should be a lesson to all the seattle fans chirping in here --- you don't tug on superman's cape

lol, gifted a superbowl ring and all of the sudden you're superman? Seems to me it's the Pat's fans chirping - coming back for the " I told you so"s. Congrats, great win - great team. Take some time to enjoy it.

Hopefully you get back to defend it next year but my money is Seattle getting back again. We were down our 2 best run-stoppers in Mebane and Jordan Hill for most of the season, along with a young pass rusher in Cassius Marsh. In the SB we lost Jeremy Lane, forcing Maxwell inside and then lost our 2nd best pass rusher in Cliff Avril. And yet we were still in a position to win the game. I've got no doubt about Seattle getting back.

 

[Wingnut]

should be a lesson to all the seattle fans chirping in here --- you don't tug on superman's cape

lol, gifted a superbowl ring and all of the sudden you're superman? Seems to me it's the Pat's fans chirping - coming back for the " I told you so"s. Congrats, great win - great team. Take some time to enjoy it.Hopefully you get back to defend it next year but my money is Seattle getting back again. We were down our 2 best run-stoppers in Mebane and Jordan Hill for most of the season, along with a young pass rusher in Cassius Marsh. In the SB we lost Jeremy Lane, forcing Maxwell inside and then lost our 2nd best pass rusher in Cliff Avril. And yet we were still in a position to win the game. I've got no doubt about Seattle getting back.

Well, Seattle was pretty much gifted a NFCCG win, so...

 

[12punch]

don't you guys have some fight to be starting somewhere?

 

[Run It Up]

should be a lesson to all the seattle fans chirping in here --- you don't tug on superman's cape

lol, gifted a superbowl ring and all of the sudden you're superman? Seems to me it's the Pat's fans chirping - coming back for the " I told you so"s. Congrats, great win - great team. Take some time to enjoy it.Hopefully you get back to defend it next year but my money is Seattle getting back again. We were down our 2 best run-stoppers in Mebane and Jordan Hill for most of the season, along with a young pass rusher in Cassius Marsh. In the SB we lost Jeremy Lane, forcing Maxwell inside and then lost our 2nd best pass rusher in Cliff Avril. And yet we were still in a position to win the game. I've got no doubt about Seattle getting back.

Well, Seattle was pretty much gifted a NFCCG win, so...

The series of events that took place in the NFC conference playoffs makes it seem only appropriate the Seahawks lost the way they did.

Lions get railed by the Refs, Dallas gets railed by the Rules, Packers choke so hard, Seattle did everything they could and weren't good enough. For the NFC - life is suffering.

 

[MarcO]

should be a lesson to all the seattle fans chirping in here --- you don't tug on superman's cape

lol, gifted a superbowl ring and all of the sudden you're superman? Seems to me it's the Pat's fans chirping - coming back for the " I told you so"s. Congrats, great win - great team. Take some time to enjoy it.Hopefully you get back to defend it next year but my money is Seattle getting back again. We were down our 2 best run-stoppers in Mebane and Jordan Hill for most of the season, along with a young pass rusher in Cassius Marsh. In the SB we lost Jeremy Lane, forcing Maxwell inside and then lost our 2nd best pass rusher in Cliff Avril. And yet we were still in a position to win the game. I've got no doubt about Seattle getting back.

Well, Seattle was pretty much gifted a NFCCG win, so...

The series of events that took place in the NFC conference playoffs makes it seem only appropriate the Seahawks lost the way they did.

Lions get railed by the Refs, Dallas gets railed by the Rules, Packers choke so hard, Seattle did everything they could and weren't good enough. For the NFC - life is suffering.

I think they'll be the first to tell you that they weren't good enough on that day. The funny thing is you guys having to tell us how dominating your team is.

I have mad respect for your team as do a lot of Seahawk fans I know. We wanted to play the Patriots in the SB because it meant playing the best. Seriously, take some time to enjoy the victory - and quit trying so hard to rub it in. I mean, do you get to add more points to the final score if you win the internet battle too?

The future is pretty bright in Seattle - there is no reason to think any different about next season than we did coming off of last year's superbowl win.

good luck next year Pats fans - would love to see a rematch in SF...

 

[JIslander]

yeah, Pats didn't exactly skate in -- Ravens were one DB away from taking it to AFCCG

 

[12punch]

should be a lesson to all the seattle fans chirping in here --- you don't tug on superman's cape

lol, gifted a superbowl ring and all of the sudden you're superman? Seems to me it's the Pat's fans chirping - coming back for the " I told you so"s. Congrats, great win - great team. Take some time to enjoy it.Hopefully you get back to defend it next year but my money is Seattle getting back again. We were down our 2 best run-stoppers in Mebane and Jordan Hill for most of the season, along with a young pass rusher in Cassius Marsh. In the SB we lost Jeremy Lane, forcing Maxwell inside and then lost our 2nd best pass rusher in Cliff Avril. And yet we were still in a position to win the game. I've got no doubt about Seattle getting back.

Well, Seattle was pretty much gifted a NFCCG win, so...

The series of events that took place in the NFC conference playoffs makes it seem only appropriate the Seahawks lost the way they did.

Lions get railed by the Refs, Dallas gets railed by the Rules, Packers choke so hard, Seattle did everything they could and weren't good enough. For the NFC - life is suffering.

I think they'll be the first to tell you that they weren't good enough on that day. The funny thing is you guys having to tell us how dominating your team is.

I have mad respect for your team as do a lot of Seahawk fans I know. We wanted to play the Patriots in the SB because it meant playing the best. Seriously, take some time to enjoy the victory - and quit trying so hard to rub it in. I mean, do you get to add more points to the final score if you win the internet battle too?

The future is pretty bright in Seattle - there is no reason to think any different about next season than we did coming off of last year's superbowl win.

good luck next year Pats fans - would love to see a rematch in SF...

seahawks fans telling pats fans how to enjoy a superbowl win

you guys got kind of uppity since that title last year

 

[Run It Up]

seahawks fans telling pats fans how to enjoy a superbowl win

you guys got kind of uppity since that title last year

Whoa bro, you can't say that.

should be a lesson to all the seattle fans chirping in here --- you don't tug on superman's cape

lol, gifted a superbowl ring and all of the sudden you're superman? Seems to me it's the Pat's fans chirping - coming back for the " I told you so"s. Congrats, great win - great team. Take some time to enjoy it.Hopefully you get back to defend it next year but my money is Seattle getting back again. We were down our 2 best run-stoppers in Mebane and Jordan Hill for most of the season, along with a young pass rusher in Cassius Marsh. In the SB we lost Jeremy Lane, forcing Maxwell inside and then lost our 2nd best pass rusher in Cliff Avril. And yet we were still in a position to win the game. I've got no doubt about Seattle getting back.

Well, Seattle was pretty much gifted a NFCCG win, so...

The series of events that took place in the NFC conference playoffs makes it seem only appropriate the Seahawks lost the way they did.

Lions get railed by the Refs, Dallas gets railed by the Rules, Packers choke so hard, Seattle did everything they could and weren't good enough. For the NFC - life is suffering.

I think they'll be the first to tell you that they weren't good enough on that day. The funny thing is you guys having to tell us how dominating your team is.

I have mad respect for your team as do a lot of Seahawk fans I know. We wanted to play the Patriots in the SB because it meant playing the best. Seriously, take some time to enjoy the victory - and quit trying so hard to rub it in. I mean, do you get to add more points to the final score if you win the internet battle too?

The future is pretty bright in Seattle - there is no reason to think any different about next season than we did coming off of last year's superbowl win.

good luck next year Pats fans - would love to see a rematch in SF...

Also, despite your presence in the nested quote that I was responding to, I'd like to let you know that I wasn't commenting on anything you said, nor did I even care what you had to say - it literally was a non-factor in my response I was completely oblivious to your existence until you directly replied to me.

 

[Old Smiley]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 12m12 minutes ago

LeGarrette Blount spoofs "Beast Mode" during Patriots parade http://wp.me/p14QSB-9HBQ

Blount has looked like he's been having a ball all through this.

 

[General Tso]

Watching the mic'd up game right now... OMFG Pete Carroll is such an insufferable arrogant turd. So overconfident, so full of himself the entire game. It was like a Greek tragedy the way it played out.

 

[Raider Nation]

The t-shirts have been shipped.

 

[General Tso]

Great ending to the mic'd up game. Tom Brady with his little boy on his shoulders, both smiling ear to ear.

"Tom Brady isn't a kid anymore. Youth doesn't last forever. Legends do."

 

[Old Smiley]

Pete Carroll is such an insufferable arrogant turd. So overconfident, so full of himself the entire game.

I've been trying not to feel this way, but I hear you. Pacing and chewing gum and patting fannies. FO

 

[Ghost Rider]

Brady picked apart the vaunted Seattle D because (a) the OL played an outstanding game in giving Brady time when needed and (b) Seattle's stubbornness to play their standard coverages played right into New England's hands on preparing a game plan based on film study and exploiting weaknesses.

Pats want to take Baldwin out of the game? Fine, they stick Revis on him no matter where he goes. Pats are getting torched by Matthews? Fine, they stick big Brandon Browner on him and he goes away. That's good coaching.

Pats want to get Edelman going? They move him away from Sherman's side and get him lined up on Simon or Maxwell. Pats want to get Gronk going? They get him isolated wide on KJ Wright (oof). The Pats *knew* they could get the matchups they wanted because Seattle doesn't adjust for nobody. I don't know if that's confidence or cockiness, but it cost them.

Guys like John Harbaugh and even Rex Ryan would have had Sherman on Edelman all over the field and always a safety on Gronk with likely LB helping man-underneath (think D'Qwell Jackson's pick in the AFCCG). Like Belichick, those guys understand the importance of taking away the opposition's biggest weapons and making them beat you with the lesser cast.

It's strange to see Pete Carroll, a defensive guru, be so rigid in his defensive philosophy, but clearly open-minded in his offensive approach. Bringing in Matthews was genius and the Pats took a while to adjust. A little more flexibility with his Legion of Boom and Seattle is likely hoisting the Lombardi with ease. The Pats had a lot less margin for error than Seattle did based on the overall matchups, but clearly had the coaching edge in this game. It was the difference and not just thanks to that fateful call at the end.

This makes a lot of sense. Seattle just lines up on D and says, "Here we are; try and beat us." Most teams cannot. New England did. I think the injuries to Seattle's secondary definitely contributed to them giving up so many yards in the passing game, but when you look at those plays where Gronk was one-on-one (his TD) or how many times Edelman ran free underneath for an easy catch and run of 8 yards or so, I think it goes without saying that Seattle's D needed to make some adjustments and they didn't. The only time NE's offense really stalled was in the 3rd quarter when they were actually getting to Brady and not letting him have time to throw, but when they weren't getting to him, someone was getting open every time.

 

[Old Smiley]

Yeah, injuries were an issue. Things broke right for us this year. It was awesome.

 

[12punch]

everybody's got excuses

 

[Road Warriors]

Brady picked apart the vaunted Seattle D because (a) the OL played an outstanding game in giving Brady time when needed and (b) Seattle's stubbornness to play their standard coverages played right into New England's hands on preparing a game plan based on film study and exploiting weaknesses.

Pats want to take Baldwin out of the game? Fine, they stick Revis on him no matter where he goes. Pats are getting torched by Matthews? Fine, they stick big Brandon Browner on him and he goes away. That's good coaching.

Pats want to get Edelman going? They move him away from Sherman's side and get him lined up on Simon or Maxwell. Pats want to get Gronk going? They get him isolated wide on KJ Wright (oof). The Pats *knew* they could get the matchups they wanted because Seattle doesn't adjust for nobody. I don't know if that's confidence or cockiness, but it cost them.

Guys like John Harbaugh and even Rex Ryan would have had Sherman on Edelman all over the field and always a safety on Gronk with likely LB helping man-underneath (think D'Qwell Jackson's pick in the AFCCG). Like Belichick, those guys understand the importance of taking away the opposition's biggest weapons and making them beat you with the lesser cast.

It's strange to see Pete Carroll, a defensive guru, be so rigid in his defensive philosophy, but clearly open-minded in his offensive approach. Bringing in Matthews was genius and the Pats took a while to adjust. A little more flexibility with his Legion of Boom and Seattle is likely hoisting the Lombardi with ease. The Pats had a lot less margin for error than Seattle did based on the overall matchups, but clearly had the coaching edge in this game. It was the difference and not just thanks to that fateful call at the end.

This makes a lot of sense. Seattle just lines up on D and says, "Here we are; try and beat us." Most teams cannot. New England did. I think the injuries to Seattle's secondary definitely contributed to them giving up so many yards in the passing game, but when you look at those plays where Gronk was one-on-one (his TD) or how many times Edelman ran free underneath for an easy catch and run of 8 yards or so, I think it goes without saying that Seattle's D needed to make some adjustments and they didn't. The only time NE's offense really stalled was in the 3rd quarter when they were actually getting to Brady and not letting him have time to throw, but when they weren't getting to him, someone was getting open every time.

That's essentially NE's offense. The receivers don't get much love, but they excel at finding spots in the zone coverage, and Brady, given a clean pocket, will find them. And if you man up, NE receiving depth is almost always better than the opponents secondary depth. There will be a mismatch to exploit, and again with a clean pocket, Brady will find it.

The key to beating NE, as fans will painfully ( NYGx2 ) recall, is collapsing the pocket with your front 4.

 

[Old Smiley]

That's essentially NE's offense. The receivers don't get much love, but they excel at finding spots in the zone coverage, and Brady, given a clean pocket, will find them. And if you man up, NE receiving depth is almost always better than the opponents secondary depth. There will be a mismatch to exploit, and again with a clean pocket, Brady will find it.


The key to beating NE, as fans will painfully ( NYGx2 ) recall, is collapsing the pocket with your front 4.

Pressure in his face. It was no secret.

 

[chauncey]

I am a Panthers fan due to growing up in NC so there has been plenty of "hatred" for both the Patriots and Seahawks at different times during the past decade or so. That being said, over time I grew to respect and appreciate both teams based on the success of their programs, their coaches, their ability to build winning teams with unknown players and cast-offs, and their swagger. These franchises (and their fans) have a lot in common even if their personalities are very different.

Going into this Super Bowl I was leaning towards the Seahawks but was really just hoping for a great game. When "the play" occurred I was in shock and like everyone else couldn't believe they didn't give Lynch the ball for a "guaranteed" TD and win. I was left with a sick feeling in my stomach that such a great game could end on a boneheaded call by the OC, very anti-climactic. After having a few days to let the emotions settle, hearing some of the analysis on radio and tv, and watching a replay on NFLN my view of the ending has changed a bit. I understand the thinking in calling the slant given the down, timeout, and clock situation. Wilson threw the ball on target, the receiver was there for the catch, and if not for an incredible play by Butler that would have been ballgame.

Butler said in his post game that he knew what was coming based on the formation, and he made his move on the ball. His preparation and athleticism were the difference in the game. His interception was as great a play as the helmet catch or the Holmes toe tap in my eyes, but will probably never be regarded as such because it didn't appear that spectacular on tv. Upon reflection and review, the Seahawks did not give away a championship. A guy nobody had ever heard of made a perfect play and the Patriots won the game. Pretty cool that Brady gave his red pickup truck to the kid from Mississippi on a minimum contract. I hope Butler is able to stick around for a while.

 

[chauncey]

Overall I'd give Super Bowl XLIX an 8/10. Would love to see a rematch in the next year or two.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I am a Panthers fan due to growing up in NC so there has been plenty of "hatred" for both the Patriots and Seahawks at different times during the past decade or so. That being said, over time I grew to respect and appreciate both teams based on the success of their programs, their coaches, their ability to build winning teams with unknown players and cast-offs, and their swagger. These franchises (and their fans) have a lot in common even if their personalities are very different.

Going into this Super Bowl I was leaning towards the Seahawks but was really just hoping for a great game. When "the play" occurred I was in shock and like everyone else couldn't believe they didn't give Lynch the ball for a "guaranteed" TD and win. I was left with a sick feeling in my stomach that such a great game could end on a boneheaded call by the OC, very anti-climactic. After having a few days to let the emotions settle, hearing some of the analysis on radio and tv, and watching a replay on NFLN my view of the ending has changed a bit. I understand the thinking in calling the slant given the down, timeout, and clock situation. Wilson threw the ball on target, the receiver was there for the catch, and if not for an incredible play by Butler that would have been ballgame.

Butler said in his post game that he knew what was coming based on the formation, and he made his move on the ball. His preparation and athleticism were the difference in the game. His interception was as great a play as the helmet catch or the Holmes toe tap in my eyes, but will probably never be regarded as such because it didn't appear that spectacular on tv. Upon reflection and review, the Seahawks did not give away a championship. A guy nobody had ever heard of made a perfect play and the Patriots won the game. Pretty cool that Brady gave his red pickup truck to the kid from Mississippi on a minimum contract. I hope Butler is able to stick around for a while.

 

[parrot]

Brady picked apart the vaunted Seattle D because (a) the OL played an outstanding game in giving Brady time when needed and (b) Seattle's stubbornness to play their standard coverages played right into New England's hands on preparing a game plan based on film study and exploiting weaknesses.

Pats want to take Baldwin out of the game? Fine, they stick Revis on him no matter where he goes. Pats are getting torched by Matthews? Fine, they stick big Brandon Browner on him and he goes away. That's good coaching.

Pats want to get Edelman going? They move him away from Sherman's side and get him lined up on Simon or Maxwell. Pats want to get Gronk going? They get him isolated wide on KJ Wright (oof). The Pats *knew* they could get the matchups they wanted because Seattle doesn't adjust for nobody. I don't know if that's confidence or cockiness, but it cost them.

Guys like John Harbaugh and even Rex Ryan would have had Sherman on Edelman all over the field and always a safety on Gronk with likely LB helping man-underneath (think D'Qwell Jackson's pick in the AFCCG). Like Belichick, those guys understand the importance of taking away the opposition's biggest weapons and making them beat you with the lesser cast.

It's strange to see Pete Carroll, a defensive guru, be so rigid in his defensive philosophy, but clearly open-minded in his offensive approach. Bringing in Matthews was genius and the Pats took a while to adjust. A little more flexibility with his Legion of Boom and Seattle is likely hoisting the Lombardi with ease. The Pats had a lot less margin for error than Seattle did based on the overall matchups, but clearly had the coaching edge in this game. It was the difference and not just thanks to that fateful call at the end.

This makes a lot of sense. Seattle just lines up on D and says, "Here we are; try and beat us." Most teams cannot. New England did. I think the injuries to Seattle's secondary definitely contributed to them giving up so many yards in the passing game, but when you look at those plays where Gronk was one-on-one (his TD) or how many times Edelman ran free underneath for an easy catch and run of 8 yards or so, I think it goes without saying that Seattle's D needed to make some adjustments and they didn't. The only time NE's offense really stalled was in the 3rd quarter when they were actually getting to Brady and not letting him have time to throw, but when they weren't getting to him, someone was getting open every time.

That's essentially NE's offense. The receivers don't get much love, but they excel at finding spots in the zone coverage, and Brady, given a clean pocket, will find them. And if you man up, NE receiving depth is almost always better than the opponents secondary depth. There will be a mismatch to exploit, and again with a clean pocket, Brady will find it.

The key to beating NE, as fans will painfully ( NYGx2 ) recall, is collapsing the pocket with your front 4.

There was another coaching fail on Seattle's part on NE's first 4th qtr TD drive when they started dropping a lineman into coverage and only rushing 3. Brady tore them up on that drive.

 

[MarcO]

That's essentially NE's offense. The receivers don't get much love, but they excel at finding spots in the zone coverage, and Brady, given a clean pocket, will find them. And if you man up, NE receiving depth is almost always better than the opponents secondary depth. There will be a mismatch to exploit, and again with a clean pocket, Brady will find it.

The key to beating NE, as fans will painfully ( NYGx2 ) recall, is collapsing the pocket with your front 4.

Pressure in his face. It was no secret.

I'd add not just pressure but pressure from the middle. It was the concern coming in for Seattle with Mebane and Hill out, the pass rush was limited to Avril and Bennett on the ends, and then with Avril going down just Bennett. There were at least two instances in the 4th quarter where Brady simply stepped up out of the pocket and there was no one within 5 yards.

 

[Insomniac]

Fixed?!? Just a horrible call at the worse time. The end.

Maybe the Bills can challenge the Pats next year for the division so its no more a 2 games-> Superbowl cakewalk.

Buffalo needs to focus on getting a QB first.

Maybe you weren't paying attention either but the Pats schedule this year definitely wasn't a cakewalk.

He's probably referring to the fact that they've been spotted at least four wins for over a decade because the division is so weak. No one else even breaks even in AFC East play since 2001. Makes it a little easier in playoff seeding.

Most people overrate the weakness of the AFCE.

overall out of Division Record for bottom 3 teams in each division from 2002-2014 (I'm using record for the whole period to determine the 3 bottom teams, not from each season)
AFCE 182 - 208
AFCN 194 - 194
AFCS 178 - 212
AFCW 179 - 211

NFCE 197 - 193
NFCN 173 - 217
NFCS 189 - 199
NFCW 161 - 229

The bottom feeders in the AFCE haven't even been the worst bottom feeders in the NFL. It is fair to say they are perpetually mediocre. They've combined for 5 10+ win seasons since 2002.

 

[pats3in4]

That's essentially NE's offense. The receivers don't get much love, but they excel at finding spots in the zone coverage, and Brady, given a clean pocket, will find them. And if you man up, NE receiving depth is almost always better than the opponents secondary depth. There will be a mismatch to exploit, and again with a clean pocket, Brady will find it.

The key to beating NE, as fans will painfully ( NYGx2 ) recall, is collapsing the pocket with your front 4.

Pressure in his face. It was no secret.

I'd add not just pressure but pressure from the middle. It was the concern coming in for Seattle with Mebane and Hill out, the pass rush was limited to Avril and Bennett on the ends, and then with Avril going down just Bennett. There were at least two instances in the 4th quarter where Brady simply stepped up out of the pocket and there was no one within 5 yards.

And on the latter instance, the DT dropped into a zone, only to see Edelman cross behind him for another huge 3rd down conversion and 1st and goal. So instead of adding pressure up the middle, Seattle deliberately removes it, allowing Brady that step-up opportunity. Factor in the fact the DT got abused by Edelman and Brady and that call was a disaster all around by Seattle's D-Coordinator.

 

[12punch]

Fixed?!? Just a horrible call at the worse time. The end.

Maybe the Bills can challenge the Pats next year for the division so its no more a 2 games-> Superbowl cakewalk.

Buffalo needs to focus on getting a QB first.

Maybe you weren't paying attention either but the Pats schedule this year definitely wasn't a cakewalk.

He's probably referring to the fact that they've been spotted at least four wins for over a decade because the division is so weak. No one else even breaks even in AFC East play since 2001. Makes it a little easier in playoff seeding.

Most people overrate the weakness of the AFCE.

overall out of Division Record for bottom 3 teams in each division from 2002-2014 (I'm using record for the whole period to determine the 3 bottom teams, not from each season)
AFCE 182 - 208
AFCN 194 - 194
AFCS 178 - 212
AFCW 179 - 211

NFCE 197 - 193
NFCN 173 - 217
NFCS 189 - 199
NFCW 161 - 229

The bottom feeders in the AFCE haven't even been the worst bottom feeders in the NFL. It is fair to say they are perpetually mediocre. They've combined for 5 10+ win seasons since 2002.

yeah, the afce being weak was extensively debunked in another thread.

some people just don't follow the nfl and trolls be trollin'

 

[JIslander]

I've made concessions here recently on my hate for Pats. Sure hope you Pats fans can reflect on your success this off-season, realize how fortunate you were to win and come back with some humility and be at least a little less insufferable next year. Tall task, but I have my hopes. I'm done here.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Seattle is very vulnerable with their mediocre offense. And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore. Wilson is what he is. A fantastic athlete & a so-so passer.

New England can certainly be beat, but in today's NFL, I'll take offense over defense any day. I think the Pats will likely win, but the teams are close enough it could go either way.

And their D isn't what it was last year. The D simply can't carry them anymore.LMAO first of all you don't start sentences with and, and second of all did you watch the game???? The D can't carry them WHAT??????? u serious bro... did you not see the 6 turnovers and the 2 goalline stands.... That game could have been over in the first half if not for the D. I hate to bash other posters because I believe we all make this thread amazing but that was the stupidest post I ever read... Number 1 d, gave up 15 points per game all year, one of the top 3 all time great Defenses up with the 85 Bears and 00 Ravens and your gonna sit their and say the D can't bail them out after they played their asses off and held Rogers under 200 and basically got the job done big time. Shots out to Russell Wilson, guy is a super competitor and he is an amazing person. 90 percent of the Qbs would have been out of the game after the Matthews blindside dirty hit.... Funny to me that if SUH did that the world would have stopped. Matthews puts a super dirty hit trying to knock the guy out and no one says a word, no penalty, nothing ...... If you go and watch that hit that was vicious and Im surprised Russell stayed in game and didn't have concussion.... I almost guarantee Wilson won that game for them with a concussion.... Baller, no other word to describe it, even after having a horrendous start. 27-21 Seattle Wins Back2Back superbowls and Russell goes on to beat the 2 greatest qbs in history in back2back years... DYNASTY, and I called it back in august :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL: . Hope you pats fans don't put to much money on your boy brady, 3/6 aint to shabby though... Russell 2/2

Dynasty my ###.

I think he meant...dying nasty

 

[Old Smiley]

Can't believe how long this good feeling is lasting....

 

[maf005]

Crazy how Seattle's four best players in the defensive secondary all had serious injuries during the SB

Sherman needs TJ surgery

Kam played though a torn MCL

Lane broke his wrist

Earl Thomas played though a torn labrum

 

[12punch]

I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up

 

[proninja]

I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up

This is why I didn't bring it up earlier. We can't even talk about what happened in the game without it being seen as an excuse.

Your team won. Fair and square. DB made an awesome play at the last minute. Nobody's trying to take anything away from the Patriots by discussing injuries in the Seattle secondary. It's a real thing that really happened. Chill.

 

[12punch]

funny how nobody's talking about hightower playing through a torn labrum

 

[Old Smiley]

I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up

This is why I didn't bring it up earlier. We can't even talk about what happened in the game without it being seen as an excuse.

Your team won. Fair and square. DB made an awesome play at the last minute. Nobody's trying to take anything away from the Patriots by discussing injuries in the Seattle secondary. It's a real thing that really happened. Chill.

Again, I don't blame you for saying so, but what can I tell you.

We've had years without Gronk, without Welker, without Wilfork, two years where we lost Talib in the first quarter.

Denver was down a lot of guys last year.

I think it's about getting back. And then one year it finally all holds together. But it is SUPER hard to get back.

I think it takes a long while to appreciate your first one fully.

 

[maf005]

I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up

lol dude you seem to care way too much about this if you immediately perceived that comment as a slight to your team.

Those Seattle guys are badass for playing through what they did.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think the hawks are the class of the nfc unless green bay upgrades its secondary.

The secondary that picked off wilson 4 times? That secondary?