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Super Bowl 49 discussion thread: Seahawks vs Patriots (Poll added) (5 Viewers)

Who do you think will win?

  • Seahawks

    Votes: 118 41.5%
  • Patriots

    Votes: 166 58.5%

  • Total voters
    284
I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up
lol dude you seem to care way too much about this if you immediately perceived that comment as a slight to your team.

Those Seattle guys are badass for playing through what they did.
I don't remember lane playing through a broken wrist --- did he just get listed because he's badass for breaking it?

 
I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up
This is why I didn't bring it up earlier. We can't even talk about what happened in the game without it being seen as an excuse.

Your team won. Fair and square. DB made an awesome play at the last minute. Nobody's trying to take anything away from the Patriots by discussing injuries in the Seattle secondary. It's a real thing that really happened. Chill.
? Lot of respect for the Seahawks fans in here, especially this guy.
 
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I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up
lol dude you seem to care way too much about this if you immediately perceived that comment as a slight to your team.

Those Seattle guys are badass for playing through what they did.
I don't remember lane playing through a broken wrist --- did he just get listed because he's badass for breaking it?
insufferable

 
I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up
lol dude you seem to care way too much about this if you immediately perceived that comment as a slight to your team.

Those Seattle guys are badass for playing through what they did.
I don't remember lane playing through a broken wrist --- did he just get listed because he's badass for breaking it?
Hawk fans still posting in this thread are being cool. Maybe be cool back.

 
Crazy how Seattle's four best players in the defensive secondary all had serious injuries during the SB

Sherman needs TJ surgery

Kam played though a torn MCL

Lane broke his wrist

Earl Thomas played though a torn labrum
and Cliff Avril got knocked out, no wonder they ran out of gas in the 4th quarter

 
Watching the mic'd up game right now... OMFG Pete Carroll is such an insufferable arrogant turd. So overconfident, so full of himself the entire game. It was like a Greek tragedy the way it played out.
Real contrast in coaches. Carroll goofing around. Bill coaching coaching coaching that defense. Coaching Brady on the sneak at the end. "Don't #### around. Just push forward." (not a lip reader)

edit: Carroll's "Oh no!" when the pick happens. Very satisfying.

 
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I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up
lol dude you seem to care way too much about this if you immediately perceived that comment as a slight to your team.

Those Seattle guys are badass for playing through what they did.
I don't remember lane playing through a broken wrist --- did he just get listed because he's badass for breaking it?
Hawk fans still posting in this thread are being cool. Maybe be cool back.
I got no problem with the 'hawks or their fans

'hawks are badass

but this whole boohoo litany after every game gets a little tiring

pats literally lost significant time on about 20 guys last year ---- I don't want to hear the crying

I wasn't posting #### about injuries last year when we were missing half our ####### team and rolling austin collie out there against denver with talib getting injured

if your 3rd corner really sux so bad it tanks your whole team you should've built the team better --- maybe don't let browner go to the pats

pats are about the only ones to even look at butler and he was our 6th corner this year

I. do not. want. to hear it

 
Watching the mic'd up game right now... OMFG Pete Carroll is such an insufferable arrogant turd. So overconfident, so full of himself the entire game. It was like a Greek tragedy the way it played out.
Real contrast in coaches. Carroll goofing around. Bill coaching coaching coaching that defense. Coaching Brady on the sneak at the end. "Don't #### around. Just push forward." (not a lip reader)

edit: Carroll's "Oh no!" when the pick happens. Very satisfying.
that's what I really love about belichick -- not to contrast him to carroll in any way

you see a million of these mic'd up things and there's always some rex ryan, or whoever, doing all this rah rah bs on the sideline.

every clip of belichcik is him huddled up with his guys actually coaching football --- ####### LOVE IT !!

 
I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up
lol dude you seem to care way too much about this if you immediately perceived that comment as a slight to your team.

Those Seattle guys are badass for playing through what they did.
I don't remember lane playing through a broken wrist --- did he just get listed because he's badass for breaking it?
Hawk fans still posting in this thread are being cool. Maybe be cool back.
I got no problem with the 'hawks or their fans

'hawks are badass

but this whole boohoo litany after every game gets a little tiring

pats literally lost significant time on about 20 guys last year ---- I don't want to hear the crying

I wasn't posting #### about injuries last year when we were missing half our ####### team and rolling austin collie out there against denver with talib getting injured

if your 3rd corner really sux so bad it tanks your whole team you should've built the team better --- maybe don't let browner go to the pats

pats are about the only ones to even look at butler and he was our 6th corner this year

I. do not. want. to hear it
You make ImTheScientist look like Maurile

 
All I wanna say to Seattle and their fans is, you've got a heck of a team and I'm sure you'll be back - but thanks for Brandon Browner.

 
Watching the mic'd up game right now... OMFG Pete Carroll is such an insufferable arrogant turd. So overconfident, so full of himself the entire game. It was like a Greek tragedy the way it played out.
Real contrast in coaches. Carroll goofing around. Bill coaching coaching coaching that defense. Coaching Brady on the sneak at the end. "Don't #### around. Just push forward." (not a lip reader)

edit: Carroll's "Oh no!" when the pick happens. Very satisfying.
that's what I really love about belichick -- not to contrast him to carroll in any way

you see a million of these mic'd up things and there's always some rex ryan, or whoever, doing all this rah rah bs on the sideline.

every clip of belichcik is him huddled up with his guys actually coaching football --- ####### LOVE IT !!
Him and Walsh are alike in that way. My all time favorites.

edit:Teachers

 
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I believe about 60 pages ago I told seattle fans to get their excuses lined up
lol dude you seem to care way too much about this if you immediately perceived that comment as a slight to your team.

Those Seattle guys are badass for playing through what they did.
I don't remember lane playing through a broken wrist --- did he just get listed because he's badass for breaking it?
Hawk fans still posting in this thread are being cool. Maybe be cool back.
I got no problem with the 'hawks or their fans

'hawks are badass

but this whole boohoo litany after every game gets a little tiring

pats literally lost significant time on about 20 guys last year ---- I don't want to hear the crying

I wasn't posting #### about injuries last year when we were missing half our ####### team and rolling austin collie out there against denver with talib getting injured

if your 3rd corner really sux so bad it tanks your whole team you should've built the team better --- maybe don't let browner go to the pats

pats are about the only ones to even look at butler and he was our 6th corner this year

I. do not. want. to hear it
you have got to be an only child lol

 
Sometimes I think Belichick is so Machiavellian, he intentionally fosters Pat-hate as a way to motivate the team.

Seriously, everyone else would've lost their edge long ago, but not the Pats.

BB pushes the envelope with the rules and acts like an arrogant jerk to the media and opposing teams, and then when the inevitable blowback comes he has the bulletin board material to get his guys charged and focused.

Look at 2007, probably the most successful team he has ever coached (if we think of the Super Bowl as just another game for a moment, which it really is). He's got a team full of veterans, many of whom have three SB rings. How does he get a group like that to go out and breath fire? Well it just so happens, all of a sudden... there's a story out there suggesting all those guys are just cheaters! So it galvanizes the locker room, gets them angry and focused, and they go on a legendary tear.

Deflate-gate now... I guarantee you they won't rest on their laurels; they'll be right back in the playoffs battling with the latest AFC flavor-of-the-year in 2015/2016.

Just a thought.

 
Sometimes I think Belichick is so Machiavellian, he intentionally fosters Pat-hate as a way to motivate the team.

Seriously, everyone else would've lost their edge long ago, but not the Pats.

BB pushes the envelope with the rules and acts like an arrogant jerk to the media and opposing teams, and then when the inevitable blowback comes he has the bulletin board material to get his guys charged and focused.

Look at 2007, probably the most successful team he has ever coached (if we think of the Super Bowl as just another game for a moment, which it really is). He's got a team full of veterans, many of whom have three SB rings. How does he get a group like that to go out and breath fire? Well it just so happens, all of a sudden... there's a story out there suggesting all those guys are just cheaters! So it galvanizes the locker room, gets them angry and focused, and they go on a legendary tear.

Deflate-gate now... I guarantee you they won't rest on their laurels; they'll be right back in the playoffs battling with the latest AFC flavor-of-the-year in 2015/2016.

Just a thought.
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do you ever have any idea wtf you're talking about?

although, I guess you'd really have no way of knowing, to be fair about it

 
Sometimes I think Belichick is so Machiavellian, he intentionally fosters Pat-hate as a way to motivate the team.

Seriously, everyone else would've lost their edge long ago, but not the Pats.

BB pushes the envelope with the rules and acts like an arrogant jerk to the media and opposing teams, and then when the inevitable blowback comes he has the bulletin board material to get his guys charged and focused.

Look at 2007, probably the most successful team he has ever coached (if we think of the Super Bowl as just another game for a moment, which it really is). He's got a team full of veterans, many of whom have three SB rings. How does he get a group like that to go out and breath fire? Well it just so happens, all of a sudden... there's a story out there suggesting all those guys are just cheaters! So it galvanizes the locker room, gets them angry and focused, and they go on a legendary tear.

Deflate-gate now... I guarantee you they won't rest on their laurels; they'll be right back in the playoffs battling with the latest AFC flavor-of-the-year in 2015/2016.

Just a thought.
:confused:

do you ever have any idea wtf you're talking about?

although, I guess you'd really have no way of knowing, to be fair about it
A few days ago when I came on this message board and predicted a Pats victory, I knew pretty good then wtf I was talking about.

 
who were all the guys seattle had injured in their secondary in 2012 when brady dropped 36 completions for 400 yds on them?

I'm sure there's an excuse for that, too

btw, browner + branch with back to back rings --- those guys must be doing something right

 
Just saw the Sound Fx Replay, awesome. Such a contrast between Belichick and Carroll. Both styles are effective and entertaining. It is surprising to see the sportsmanship on the field, the players all go back and forth between talking #### and giving each other props on good plays. Nice to see Sherman shake Brady's hand on the final kneel down and Brady to not tell him to go #### himself. I think I could watch replays of this game 10 more times before getting bored.

 
Seattle is the early favorite to win it all next year at 5-1.
I would think the Patriots should have better odds. They need to re-sign Revis but the Pats just became the youngest Super Bowl champion ever. I think 3 of the 4 best teams are in the NFC. Dallas, Green Bay and Seattle are all excellent teams. Pats have an easier road to the Suer Bowl. Denver could be in trouble. Pittsburgh and Baltimore should be good. Colts are pretenders. If Buffalo got a qb, i would look at them as a dark horse. I think New England has a better chance of getting to the super bowl than Seattle does.

 
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Watching the mic'd up game right now... OMFG Pete Carroll is such an insufferable arrogant turd. So overconfident, so full of himself the entire game. It was like a Greek tragedy the way it played out.
Real contrast in coaches. Carroll goofing around. Bill coaching coaching coaching that defense. Coaching Brady on the sneak at the end. "Don't #### around. Just push forward." (not a lip reader)

edit: Carroll's "Oh no!" when the pick happens. Very satisfying.
that's what I really love about belichick -- not to contrast him to carroll in any way

you see a million of these mic'd up things and there's always some rex ryan, or whoever, doing all this rah rah bs on the sideline.

every clip of belichcik is him huddled up with his guys actually coaching football --- ####### LOVE IT !!
What I noticed was how calm, direct and precise Belichick was. Carroll was talking a mile a minute after that Kearse catch saying we can do this or we can do that and he was all over the place. They eventually had to call a timeout because they would not be able to get a play off before the play clock ran down. In that hyped up emotional blabberring they lost a timeout and a chance to run the ball 4 straight times.

 
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I am a Panthers fan due to growing up in NC so there has been plenty of "hatred" for both the Patriots and Seahawks at different times during the past decade or so. That being said, over time I grew to respect and appreciate both teams based on the success of their programs, their coaches, their ability to build winning teams with unknown players and cast-offs, and their swagger. These franchises (and their fans) have a lot in common even if their personalities are very different.

Going into this Super Bowl I was leaning towards the Seahawks but was really just hoping for a great game. When "the play" occurred I was in shock and like everyone else couldn't believe they didn't give Lynch the ball for a "guaranteed" TD and win. I was left with a sick feeling in my stomach that such a great game could end on a boneheaded call by the OC, very anti-climactic. After having a few days to let the emotions settle, hearing some of the analysis on radio and tv, and watching a replay on NFLN my view of the ending has changed a bit. I understand the thinking in calling the slant given the down, timeout, and clock situation. Wilson threw the ball on target, the receiver was there for the catch, and if not for an incredible play by Butler that would have been ballgame.

Butler said in his post game that he knew what was coming based on the formation, and he made his move on the ball. His preparation and athleticism were the difference in the game. His interception was as great a play as the helmet catch or the Holmes toe tap in my eyes, but will probably never be regarded as such because it didn't appear that spectacular on tv. Upon reflection and review, the Seahawks did not give away a championship. A guy nobody had ever heard of made a perfect play and the Patriots won the game. Pretty cool that Brady gave his red pickup truck to the kid from Mississippi on a minimum contract. I hope Butler is able to stick around for a while.
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I respect the hell out of Butler for the play he made, but the fact that he made it pretty much screams that it was a bad call. My previous post about this play explains in better detail, but to give you the TL;DR- even if you don't think a pass play was a bad idea (I don't), the personnel and matchup a they had were bad, they let the defense dictate their call, and they didn't even go play action to get the defense thinking run (or, better yet, read option). It was a horrible call on many levels.

 
I am a Panthers fan due to growing up in NC so there has been plenty of "hatred" for both the Patriots and Seahawks at different times during the past decade or so. That being said, over time I grew to respect and appreciate both teams based on the success of their programs, their coaches, their ability to build winning teams with unknown players and cast-offs, and their swagger. These franchises (and their fans) have a lot in common even if their personalities are very different.

Going into this Super Bowl I was leaning towards the Seahawks but was really just hoping for a great game. When "the play" occurred I was in shock and like everyone else couldn't believe they didn't give Lynch the ball for a "guaranteed" TD and win. I was left with a sick feeling in my stomach that such a great game could end on a boneheaded call by the OC, very anti-climactic. After having a few days to let the emotions settle, hearing some of the analysis on radio and tv, and watching a replay on NFLN my view of the ending has changed a bit. I understand the thinking in calling the slant given the down, timeout, and clock situation. Wilson threw the ball on target, the receiver was there for the catch, and if not for an incredible play by Butler that would have been ballgame.

Butler said in his post game that he knew what was coming based on the formation, and he made his move on the ball. His preparation and athleticism were the difference in the game. His interception was as great a play as the helmet catch or the Holmes toe tap in my eyes, but will probably never be regarded as such because it didn't appear that spectacular on tv. Upon reflection and review, the Seahawks did not give away a championship. A guy nobody had ever heard of made a perfect play and the Patriots won the game. Pretty cool that Brady gave his red pickup truck to the kid from Mississippi on a minimum contract. I hope Butler is able to stick around for a while.
:goodposting:
I respect the hell out of Butler for the play he made, but the fact that he made it pretty much screams that it was a bad call. My previous post about this play explains in better detail, but to give you the TL;DR- even if you don't think a pass play was a bad idea (I don't), the personnel and matchup a they had were bad, they let the defense dictate their call, and they didn't even go play action to get the defense thinking run (or, better yet, read option).It was a horrible call on many levels.
No need for play action on that call... Butler's responsibility is to defend the pass... he isn't thinking about the RB.

Disagree that a great play proves it was a bad call. Butler is an undrafted rookie - the perfect guy to target in that situation. If Butler isn't coached up for that specific play, the game is over and the "call" is moot. The Seahawks say they had a series of plays in mind. Having one pass in the mix isn't "horrific", especially if you have confidence in your QB.

The play had a horrible result. And the stakes couldn't be higher so I understand all the grief. However, NFL teams do pass more than ~25% of the time from the one yard line.

 
Neofight said:
I am a Panthers fan due to growing up in NC so there has been plenty of "hatred" for both the Patriots and Seahawks at different times during the past decade or so. That being said, over time I grew to respect and appreciate both teams based on the success of their programs, their coaches, their ability to build winning teams with unknown players and cast-offs, and their swagger. These franchises (and their fans) have a lot in common even if their personalities are very different.

Going into this Super Bowl I was leaning towards the Seahawks but was really just hoping for a great game. When "the play" occurred I was in shock and like everyone else couldn't believe they didn't give Lynch the ball for a "guaranteed" TD and win. I was left with a sick feeling in my stomach that such a great game could end on a boneheaded call by the OC, very anti-climactic. After having a few days to let the emotions settle, hearing some of the analysis on radio and tv, and watching a replay on NFLN my view of the ending has changed a bit. I understand the thinking in calling the slant given the down, timeout, and clock situation. Wilson threw the ball on target, the receiver was there for the catch, and if not for an incredible play by Butler that would have been ballgame.

Butler said in his post game that he knew what was coming based on the formation, and he made his move on the ball. His preparation and athleticism were the difference in the game. His interception was as great a play as the helmet catch or the Holmes toe tap in my eyes, but will probably never be regarded as such because it didn't appear that spectacular on tv. Upon reflection and review, the Seahawks did not give away a championship. A guy nobody had ever heard of made a perfect play and the Patriots won the game. Pretty cool that Brady gave his red pickup truck to the kid from Mississippi on a minimum contract. I hope Butler is able to stick around for a while.
:goodposting:
I respect the hell out of Butler for the play he made, but the fact that he made it pretty much screams that it was a bad call. My previous post about this play explains in better detail, but to give you the TL;DR- even if you don't think a pass play was a bad idea (I don't), the personnel and matchup a they had were bad, they let the defense dictate their call, and they didn't even go play action to get the defense thinking run (or, better yet, read option).It was a horrible call on many levels.
They had 8 in the box and man on the edges. Any run action wasn't affecting the coverage.

 
Neofight said:
I am a Panthers fan due to growing up in NC so there has been plenty of "hatred" for both the Patriots and Seahawks at different times during the past decade or so. That being said, over time I grew to respect and appreciate both teams based on the success of their programs, their coaches, their ability to build winning teams with unknown players and cast-offs, and their swagger. These franchises (and their fans) have a lot in common even if their personalities are very different.

Going into this Super Bowl I was leaning towards the Seahawks but was really just hoping for a great game. When "the play" occurred I was in shock and like everyone else couldn't believe they didn't give Lynch the ball for a "guaranteed" TD and win. I was left with a sick feeling in my stomach that such a great game could end on a boneheaded call by the OC, very anti-climactic. After having a few days to let the emotions settle, hearing some of the analysis on radio and tv, and watching a replay on NFLN my view of the ending has changed a bit. I understand the thinking in calling the slant given the down, timeout, and clock situation. Wilson threw the ball on target, the receiver was there for the catch, and if not for an incredible play by Butler that would have been ballgame.

Butler said in his post game that he knew what was coming based on the formation, and he made his move on the ball. His preparation and athleticism were the difference in the game. His interception was as great a play as the helmet catch or the Holmes toe tap in my eyes, but will probably never be regarded as such because it didn't appear that spectacular on tv. Upon reflection and review, the Seahawks did not give away a championship. A guy nobody had ever heard of made a perfect play and the Patriots won the game. Pretty cool that Brady gave his red pickup truck to the kid from Mississippi on a minimum contract. I hope Butler is able to stick around for a while.
:goodposting:
I respect the hell out of Butler for the play he made, but the fact that he made it pretty much screams that it was a bad call. My previous post about this play explains in better detail, but to give you the TL;DR- even if you don't think a pass play was a bad idea (I don't), the personnel and matchup a they had were bad, they let the defense dictate their call, and they didn't even go play action to get the defense thinking run (or, better yet, read option).It was a horrible call on many levels.
No need for play action on that call... Butler's responsibility is to defend the pass... he isn't thinking about the RB.

Disagree that a great play proves it was a bad call. Butler is an undrafted rookie - the perfect guy to target in that situation. If Butler isn't coached up for that specific play, the game is over and the "call" is moot. The Seahawks say they had a series of plays in mind. Having one pass in the mix isn't "horrific", especially if you have confidence in your QB.

The play had a horrible result. And the stakes couldn't be higher so I understand all the grief. However, NFL teams do pass more than ~25% of the time from the one yard line.
Neofight said:
I am a Panthers fan due to growing up in NC so there has been plenty of "hatred" for both the Patriots and Seahawks at different times during the past decade or so. That being said, over time I grew to respect and appreciate both teams based on the success of their programs, their coaches, their ability to build winning teams with unknown players and cast-offs, and their swagger. These franchises (and their fans) have a lot in common even if their personalities are very different.

Going into this Super Bowl I was leaning towards the Seahawks but was really just hoping for a great game. When "the play" occurred I was in shock and like everyone else couldn't believe they didn't give Lynch the ball for a "guaranteed" TD and win. I was left with a sick feeling in my stomach that such a great game could end on a boneheaded call by the OC, very anti-climactic. After having a few days to let the emotions settle, hearing some of the analysis on radio and tv, and watching a replay on NFLN my view of the ending has changed a bit. I understand the thinking in calling the slant given the down, timeout, and clock situation. Wilson threw the ball on target, the receiver was there for the catch, and if not for an incredible play by Butler that would have been ballgame.

Butler said in his post game that he knew what was coming based on the formation, and he made his move on the ball. His preparation and athleticism were the difference in the game. His interception was as great a play as the helmet catch or the Holmes toe tap in my eyes, but will probably never be regarded as such because it didn't appear that spectacular on tv. Upon reflection and review, the Seahawks did not give away a championship. A guy nobody had ever heard of made a perfect play and the Patriots won the game. Pretty cool that Brady gave his red pickup truck to the kid from Mississippi on a minimum contract. I hope Butler is able to stick around for a while.
:goodposting:
I respect the hell out of Butler for the play he made, but the fact that he made it pretty much screams that it was a bad call. My previous post about this play explains in better detail, but to give you the TL;DR- even if you don't think a pass play was a bad idea (I don't), the personnel and matchup a they had were bad, they let the defense dictate their call, and they didn't even go play action to get the defense thinking run (or, better yet, read option).It was a horrible call on many levels.
They had 8 in the box and man on the edges. Any run action wasn't affecting the coverage.
That is precisely why you check out of a call so easily diagnosed and defended, and for which your personnel is not a good matchup. You can say that Butler and Browner don't have to worry about the run, but if Wilson fakes the hand off or uses read option and sprints out to the right they are sure as hell going to have to deal with his legs as well as his arm. A simple grouped option that played off the slant but ends up with Lockette in the corner of the end zone (and/or Kearse for that matter) with Wilson on the run is much more difficult to defend. Worst case scenario he throws it out of the end zone. In this instance, Wilson and the offense would dictate the tempo and direction of the play. They play they ran was diagnosed by a rookie and blown up by a guy that knew what they were going to run (and who is notorious for grabbing and holding on double moves); the defense dictated that.

OTOH, Seattle gives the ball to Lynch or Russell runs it and you go with your strength against a weakness on the part of the defense. There's really not a worse play I can think of for Seattle to run, given the down, distance and match ups on the field. Even the poor clock management shouldn't have necessitated pass there.

 
I watched last year's and will watch this year's Super Bowl parade at station 2 on the corner of 4th Ave and Battery St.
Hope You Enjoyed The ParadeDid You Bring A Folding Chair Or Do They Have Extra There?
:lmao:

LOVE how this guy disappeared after saying for 2 weeks how the Seahawks would win 38-10 and the Pats had no chance of scoring against Seattle's "vaunted" defense. Where you at ScottyDog?! Time to eat some crow! :)

 

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