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Caution Steeler Players.....don't under estimate the Seahawks.

Practicing those Disney World commercials this week is a sign of over confidence.
Hmmm...what's that say for the 4 Seahawks?Link

Notebook: 4 Steelers must practice plays and new lines

Thursday, January 26, 2006

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Jerome Bettis practiced his lines yesterday while shaving in the Steelers' locker room.

"I'm going to Disney World!"

So, too, did Hines Ward while he worked out wearing a grey Mickey Mouse shirt.

"I'm going to Disney World!"

Ben Roethlisberger and Joey Porter: "I'm going to Disney World!"

All four Steelers will join four Seattle Seahawks in a Disney television commercial spoofing the traditional post-Super Bowl pronouncement by one of the star players from the winning team. The ad will be shown on the Super Bowl pregame show.

Filming took place yesterday at the Steelers' complex. The players will be shown doing different tasks, all the while practicing what they hope will be their line as they walk off Ford Field in Detroit at the end of the Super Bowl.

"It's like I'm obsessed with this "I'm going to Disney World" thing," Bettis explained yesterday. "So, I'm in the bathroom, the workout room, I'm singing it to the car. Just the idea of me really wanting to go to Disney World."

 
"It's like I'm obsessed with this "I'm going to Disney World" thing," Bettis explained yesterday. "So, I'm in the bathroom, the workout room, I'm singing it to the car. Just the idea of me really wanting to go to Disney World."

John Clayton reported that his first impression of the Steelers are that they are a little over-confident. This is an example of that. Clayton mentioned this specific report.
You seem to be missing the point. He is pretending to be obsessed. That's the commercial.
 
Sep 11 @Jacksonville Lost 14-26

Sep 18 Atlanta Won 21-18

Sep 25 Arizona Won 37-12

Oct 2 @Washington Lost 17-20

Oct 9 @St. Louis Won 37-31

Oct 16 Houston Won 42-10

Oct 23 Dallas Won 13-10

Week 8 BYE

Nov 6 @Arizona Won 33-19

Nov 13 St. Louis Won 31-16

Nov 20 @San Francisco Won 27-25

Nov 27 N.Y. Giants Won 24-21

Dec 5 @Philadelphia Won 42-0

Dec 11 San Francisco Won 41-3

Dec 18 @Tennessee Won 28-24

Dec 24 Indianapolis Won 28-13

Jan 1 @Green Bay Lost 17-23

9 games won against teams below 500

pretty weak schedule.....they havent played a team like the Steelers. thats why were taken it this year. GO STEELERS

:towelwave: :towelwave:

 
Sep 11 @Jacksonville Lost 14-26

Sep 18 Atlanta Won 21-18

Sep 25 Arizona Won 37-12

Oct 2 @Washington Lost 17-20

Oct 9 @St. Louis Won 37-31

Oct 16 Houston Won 42-10

Oct 23 Dallas Won 13-10

Week 8 BYE

Nov 6 @Arizona Won 33-19

Nov 13 St. Louis Won 31-16

Nov 20 @San Francisco Won 27-25

Nov 27 N.Y. Giants Won 24-21

Dec 5 @Philadelphia Won 42-0

Dec 11 San Francisco Won 41-3

Dec 18 @Tennessee Won 28-24

Dec 24 Indianapolis Won 28-13

Jan 1 @Green Bay Lost 17-23

9 games won against teams below 500

pretty weak schedule.....they havent played a team like the Steelers. thats why were taken it this year. GO STEELERS

:towelwave: :towelwave:
:eek: That schedule is cake. They haven't played anybody. :towelwave:

 
pretty weak schedule.....they havent played a team like the Steelers. thats why were taken it this year. GO STEELERS 
What I don't understand about this argument is the Seahawks don't get to pick their division or their schedule. It's true they played these games. And won them all. What is really expected here? They got to the playoffs and won those games decisively... as did the Steelers. These two teams deserve to be there. The whole SOS argument only holds water if they were losing to these teams.And for the record the Steelers played eight games agaist sub 500 teams. And won MOST of them.
 
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This says it all:Other thread:

Where would you place your $ given the 4 point spread? Pittsburgh [ 78 ] [40.84%] Seattle [ 113 ] [59.16%]
This thread:
Pick a Winner Seattle Seahawks [ 80 ] [43.24%] Pittsburgh Steelers [ 104 ] [56.22%]
I think most people think this will be a very good, very close game.
 
Sep 11 @Jacksonville Lost 14-26

Sep 18 Atlanta Won 21-18

Sep 25 Arizona Won 37-12

Oct 2 @Washington Lost 17-20

Oct 9 @St. Louis Won 37-31

Oct 16 Houston Won 42-10

Oct 23 Dallas Won 13-10

Week 8 BYE

Nov 6 @Arizona Won 33-19

Nov 13 St. Louis Won 31-16

Nov 20 @San Francisco Won 27-25

Nov 27 N.Y. Giants Won 24-21

Dec 5 @Philadelphia Won 42-0

Dec 11 San Francisco Won 41-3

Dec 18 @Tennessee Won 28-24

Dec 24 Indianapolis Won 28-13

Jan 1 @Green Bay Lost 17-23

9 games won against teams below 500

pretty weak schedule.....they havent played a team like the Steelers. thats why were taken it this year. GO STEELERS

:towelwave: :towelwave:
I don't care how good the opposition is, it takes a good team to win 11 games in a row, and to win these games by an average of almost 16 points....I mean, even the Steelers lost to the Ravens...This is a good team, the best I have ever watched in Seattle, and even if you win next Sunday, I think all Steeler fans will walk away saying 'Wow, that Seahawk team IS good!'

 
Good Super Bowl story...

Starks gives tickets to W.Va. family

Link

By Joe Rutter and Rob Biertempfel

TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Friday, January 27, 2006

Right tackle Max Starks is giving four of his Super Bowl tickets to a family involved in the mining tragedy in Sago, W.Va. Starks said Thursday he wanted to keep the matter private and was reluctant to speak about it, but he did admit it was a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity" to help out the family, which he did not identify. After receiving a letter requesting autographed gear, Starks consulted his mother, Elleanor, and decided to send the family four of his tickets. Each Steelers player is allotted 15 tickets for the big game. Starks will give the rest of his allotment to family and friends

 
Sep 11 @Jacksonville Lost 14-26     

Sep 18 Atlanta Won 21-18     

Sep 25 Arizona Won 37-12     

Oct 2 @Washington Lost 17-20     

Oct 9 @St. Louis Won 37-31     

Oct 16 Houston Won 42-10     

Oct 23 Dallas Won 13-10     

Week 8 BYE       

Nov 6 @Arizona Won 33-19     

Nov 13 St. Louis Won 31-16     

Nov 20 @San Francisco Won 27-25     

Nov 27 N.Y. Giants Won 24-21     

Dec 5 @Philadelphia Won 42-0     

Dec 11 San Francisco Won 41-3     

Dec 18 @Tennessee Won 28-24     

Dec 24 Indianapolis Won 28-13     

Jan 1 @Green Bay Lost 17-23  

9 games won against teams below 500

pretty weak schedule.....they havent played a team like the Steelers. thats why were taken it this year. GO STEELERS

:towelwave:   :towelwave:
I don't care how good the opposition is, it takes a good team to win 11 games in a row, and to win these games by an average of almost 16 points....I mean, even the Steelers lost to the Ravens...This is a good team, the best I have ever watched in Seattle, and even if you win next Sunday, I think all Steeler fans will walk away saying 'Wow, that Seahawk team IS good!'
Their average margin of victory came from crushing a few bottom feeding teams a couple times, but they barely got by the few decent teams they faced and struggled against inferior competition on the road.3 point loss AT Washington

12 point loss AT Jacksonville

14 point win AT Arizona thanks to a late TD.

6 point win AT St. Louis

2 point win AT San Francisco

4 point win AT Tennessee on a late TD.

6 point loss AT Green Bay.. bench players.

42 point win AT Philly without McNabb and TO, and Philly just mailed it in.

Compare that to their home schedule.

3 point win vs Atlanta

15 point win vs Arizona

3 point win vs Dallas

32 point win vs Houston

15 point win vs St. Louis

3 point win vs NY Giants

38 point win vs San Francisco

15 point win vs Indy's backups

 
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Casey Hampton once ate a nun.  Alive.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I actually laughed out loud at that one.

That's not so bad considering Walter Jones said that he absolutely hates bacon.
You make "El, Miller or Wilson" sound like the second coming of the Redskin's Fun Bunch El had 35 recepts this season. Wilson 26, Miller 39. That's 100 total receptions, just about 6 per game COMBINED. If you think checking down to that group is good enough to win a superbowl....good luck to you.

Look at Seattle's "Fun Bunch" Jurevicius, Stevens and DJax They're at 8 a game combined and Seattles numbers are "Padded" playing in the WEAK NFC West. Dont ya think hitting up San Fran, Zona and the Rams padded that number.... aah JUST A LITTLE? Against teams with a real defense they struggled to even make .500. Lebeau is going to make this team look like the St Francis 8th grade boys team.

 
pretty weak schedule.....they havent played a team like the Steelers. thats why were taken it this year. GO STEELERS
What I don't understand about this argument is the Seahawks don't get to pick their division or their schedule. It's true they played these games. And won them all. What is really expected here? They got to the playoffs and won those games decisively... as did the Steelers. These two teams deserve to be there. The whole SOS argument only holds water if they were losing to these teams.

And for the record the Steelers played eight games agaist sub 500 teams. And won MOST of them.
I love the SOS arguments when the two teams being compared are similar. All the Skins fans were crazy with SOS crap when we had 8 common opponents (guess who won more) and despite a home loss to the woeful Raiders, not playing anyone was the call of the week before that game. Now, I know it must be tough to play the Browns and Ravens twice a year (even tougher to be 1 of the Raven's 6 wins), the Texans at home was a close one, and the offensive juggernauts in Tennessee, don't forget the Packers and the Lions, whoo what a tough schedule. The Hawks may have benefitted from an easy schedule, but at least they BEAT the sad sacks thrown against us. Our only 2 losses came from week 1 exhausion in the sweltering heat of Jax to a playoff team (who Pitt also lost to), and an uncharacteristic and only significant missed FG in Brown's 2 year career, a loss later avenged in the playoffs. 2 losses, on the road, early in the season, to playoff caliber teams. The Stillers have 4 losses to playoff teams (3 at home) and a loss to a lowly sub .500 team.

In the playoffs, we've only beaten a 5 and 6 seeds. But if the Steelers are legit because they beat 1, 2 and 3, then the Panthers and Redskins are good because they beat 2, 4 and 3 (respectively). And by beating them, we've beaten all the NFC teams by proxy.

 
Casey Hampton once ate a nun.  Alive.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I actually laughed out loud at that one.

That's not so bad considering Walter Jones said that he absolutely hates bacon.
You make "El, Miller or Wilson" sound like the second coming of the Redskin's Fun Bunch El had 35 recepts this season. Wilson 26, Miller 39. That's 100 total receptions, just about 6 per game COMBINED. If you think checking down to that group is good enough to win a superbowl....good luck to you.

Look at Seattle's "Fun Bunch" Jurevicius, Stevens and DJax They're at 8 a game combined and Seattles numbers are "Padded" playing in the WEAK NFC West. Dont ya think hitting up San Fran, Zona and the Rams padded that number.... aah JUST A LITTLE? Against teams with a real defense they struggled to even make .500. Lebeau is going to make this team look like the St Francis 8th grade boys team.
This is just a terrible job of quoting. Let me tidy this up for you :
They did a great job of shutting Steve Smith down. Without him to throw to, the Carolina offense looked lost, and with their top 3 RBs out with injuries, they really had no chance. Kudos to Seattle. However, the Steelers have more weapons than Carolina. They can put three guys on Hines Ward if they want, but the Steelers will not fold if their top option is removed. Roethlisberger will check off and throw to El, Miller, or Wilson.
You make "El, Miller or Wilson" sound like the second coming of the Redskin's Fun Bunch :P El had 35 recepts this season. Wilson 26, Miller 39. That's 100 total receptions, just about 6 per game COMBINED. If you think checking down to that group is good enough to win a superbowl....good luck to you.

In short, while Seattle did a great job on Smith and the Panthers, I have no reason to believe they'll shut down Pittsburgh.
Of course not...you're a steelers fan!Your eyes and your TV are stuck watching AFC North games. You've probably watched more Browns games then Seahawk games this year :yucky:

Gonna be fun :football:

Eric

The Seehawk
Look at Seattle's "Fun Bunch" Jurevicius, Stevens and DJax They're at 8 a game combined and Seattles numbers are "Padded" playing in the WEAK NFC West. Dont ya think hitting up San Fran, Zona and the Rams padded that number.... aah JUST A LITTLE? Against teams with a real defense they struggled to even make .500. Lebeau is going to make this team look like the St Francis 8th grade boys team.
 
pretty weak schedule.....they havent played a team like the Steelers. thats why were taken it this year. GO STEELERS
What I don't understand about this argument is the Seahawks don't get to pick their division or their schedule. It's true they played these games. And won them all. What is really expected here? They got to the playoffs and won those games decisively... as did the Steelers. These two teams deserve to be there. The whole SOS argument only holds water if they were losing to these teams.

And for the record the Steelers played eight games agaist sub 500 teams. And won MOST of them.
I love the SOS arguments when the two teams being compared are similar. All the Skins fans were crazy with SOS crap when we had 8 common opponents (guess who won more) and despite a home loss to the woeful Raiders, not playing anyone was the call of the week before that game. Now, I know it must be tough to play the Browns and Ravens twice a year (even tougher to be 1 of the Raven's 6 wins), the Texans at home was a close one, and the offensive juggernauts in Tennessee, don't forget the Packers and the Lions, whoo what a tough schedule. The Hawks may have benefitted from an easy schedule, but at least they BEAT the sad sacks thrown against us. Our only 2 losses came from week 1 exhausion in the sweltering heat of Jax to a playoff team (who Pitt also lost to), and an uncharacteristic and only significant missed FG in Brown's 2 year career, a loss later avenged in the playoffs. 2 losses, on the road, early in the season, to playoff caliber teams. The Stillers have 4 losses to playoff teams (3 at home) and a loss to a lowly sub .500 team.

In the playoffs, we've only beaten a 5 and 6 seeds. But if the Steelers are legit because they beat 1, 2 and 3, then the Panthers and Redskins are good because they beat 2, 4 and 3 (respectively). And by beating them, we've beaten all the NFC teams by proxy.
I think this whole argument is pointless and moot, but please stop bringing up the Steelers loss to Baltimore as any kind of indicator of how good this team is. I know all the "you have to overcome injuries" stuff applies, but anyone who objectively watches this Steelers team with Maddox and with Roethlisberger knows that it's a totally different ball club. Any coincidence that Maddox has a .250 winning percentage over the past two years, while Roethlisberger's is about .870? What's inconsistent is that those citing the Pittsburgh losses to Jacksonville and Baltimore (both in OT, I might add) under Maddox as evidence of lackluster performances are often the same people semi-discrediting the playoff win over Cincinnati because of the Palmer injury. Let me tell you all something, Jon Kitna is MUCH MUCH better than Tommy Maddox, OK? Seahawk fans, be glad you haven't lost Hasselbeck to injury - losing your QB is not the same as losing any other player on the field.The Roethlisberger Steelers have lost three games this year - to New England, Cincinnati, and Indianapolis. 3 of the top 4 seeds in the AFC. They have already avenged both the Cincinnati and Indianapolis losses, and pounded the Patriots' vanquisher in these playoffs. Seattle has lost to Jacksonville, Washington, and Green Bay. Is any of this important? No. Forget strength of schedule or who lost to who. The only thing that matters is which team is going to show up hungry next Sunday, which team is going to execute better, which team will play more physical, and which team makes fewer mistakes.

 
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Casey Hampton once ate a nun.  Alive.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I actually laughed out loud at that one.

That's not so bad considering Walter Jones said that he absolutely hates bacon.
You make "El, Miller or Wilson" sound like the second coming of the Redskin's Fun Bunch El had 35 recepts this season. Wilson 26, Miller 39. That's 100 total receptions, just about 6 per game COMBINED. If you think checking down to that group is good enough to win a superbowl....good luck to you.

Look at Seattle's "Fun Bunch" Jurevicius, Stevens and DJax They're at 8 a game combined and Seattles numbers are "Padded" playing in the WEAK NFC West. Dont ya think hitting up San Fran, Zona and the Rams padded that number.... aah JUST A LITTLE? Against teams with a real defense they struggled to even make .500. Lebeau is going to make this team look like the St Francis 8th grade boys team.
Hey! That St.Francis team was pretty good. Stop dissing them. :popcorn:
 
pretty weak schedule.....they havent played a team like the Steelers. thats why were taken it this year. GO STEELERS
What I don't understand about this argument is the Seahawks don't get to pick their division or their schedule. It's true they played these games. And won them all. What is really expected here? They got to the playoffs and won those games decisively... as did the Steelers. These two teams deserve to be there. The whole SOS argument only holds water if they were losing to these teams.

And for the record the Steelers played eight games agaist sub 500 teams. And won MOST of them.
I love the SOS arguments when the two teams being compared are similar. All the Skins fans were crazy with SOS crap when we had 8 common opponents (guess who won more) and despite a home loss to the woeful Raiders, not playing anyone was the call of the week before that game. Now, I know it must be tough to play the Browns and Ravens twice a year (even tougher to be 1 of the Raven's 6 wins), the Texans at home was a close one, and the offensive juggernauts in Tennessee, don't forget the Packers and the Lions, whoo what a tough schedule. The Hawks may have benefitted from an easy schedule, but at least they BEAT the sad sacks thrown against us. Our only 2 losses came from week 1 exhausion in the sweltering heat of Jax to a playoff team (who Pitt also lost to), and an uncharacteristic and only significant missed FG in Brown's 2 year career, a loss later avenged in the playoffs. 2 losses, on the road, early in the season, to playoff caliber teams. The Stillers have 4 losses to playoff teams (3 at home) and a loss to a lowly sub .500 team.

In the playoffs, we've only beaten a 5 and 6 seeds. But if the Steelers are legit because they beat 1, 2 and 3, then the Panthers and Redskins are good because they beat 2, 4 and 3 (respectively). And by beating them, we've beaten all the NFC teams by proxy.
Evilgrin already adressed how pointless it is to consider the Baltimore and Jacksonville losses at all, not that it's important anymore.It's not about the SOS. It's about 2 things that Seattle fans who only point to their record consistently overlook.

1. They played much, MUCH better at home than on the road. But even at home, against the only 3 quality teams they faced, they won all 3 games by only a field goal. In the Cowboys, Falcons, and Giants, we aren't even talking about teams are really very good.

2. On the road, the Seahawks lost twice and had tough battles against far less talented teams in all but one of them. I wonder why that is.

 
pretty weak schedule.....they havent played a team like the Steelers. thats why were taken it this year. GO STEELERS
What I don't understand about this argument is the Seahawks don't get to pick their division or their schedule. It's true they played these games. And won them all. What is really expected here? They got to the playoffs and won those games decisively... as did the Steelers. These two teams deserve to be there. The whole SOS argument only holds water if they were losing to these teams.

And for the record the Steelers played eight games agaist sub 500 teams. And won MOST of them.
I love the SOS arguments when the two teams being compared are similar. All the Skins fans were crazy with SOS crap when we had 8 common opponents (guess who won more) and despite a home loss to the woeful Raiders, not playing anyone was the call of the week before that game. Now, I know it must be tough to play the Browns and Ravens twice a year (even tougher to be 1 of the Raven's 6 wins), the Texans at home was a close one, and the offensive juggernauts in Tennessee, don't forget the Packers and the Lions, whoo what a tough schedule. The Hawks may have benefitted from an easy schedule, but at least they BEAT the sad sacks thrown against us. Our only 2 losses came from week 1 exhausion in the sweltering heat of Jax to a playoff team (who Pitt also lost to), and an uncharacteristic and only significant missed FG in Brown's 2 year career, a loss later avenged in the playoffs. 2 losses, on the road, early in the season, to playoff caliber teams. The Stillers have 4 losses to playoff teams (3 at home) and a loss to a lowly sub .500 team.

In the playoffs, we've only beaten a 5 and 6 seeds. But if the Steelers are legit because they beat 1, 2 and 3, then the Panthers and Redskins are good because they beat 2, 4 and 3 (respectively). And by beating them, we've beaten all the NFC teams by proxy.
I think this whole argument is pointless and moot, but please stop bringing up the Steelers loss to Baltimore as any kind of indicator of how good this team is. I know all the "you have to overcome injuries" stuff applies, but anyone who objectively watches this Steelers team with Maddox and with Roethlisberger knows that it's a totally different ball club. Any coincidence that Maddox has a .250 winning percentage over the past two years, while Roethlisberger's is about .870? What's inconsistent is that those citing the Pittsburgh losses to Jacksonville and Baltimore (both in OT, I might add) under Maddox as evidence of lackluster performances are often the same people semi-discrediting the playoff win over Cincinnati because of the Palmer injury. Let me tell you all something, Jon Kitna is MUCH MUCH better than Tommy Maddox, OK? Seahawk fans, be glad you haven't lost Hasselbeck to injury - losing your QB is not the same as losing any other player on the field.The Roethlisberger Steelers have lost three games this year - to New England, Cincinnati, and Indianapolis. 3 of the top 4 seeds in the AFC. They have already avenged both the Cincinnati and Indianapolis losses, and pounded the Patriots' vanquisher in these playoffs. Seattle has lost to Jacksonville, Washington, and Green Bay. Is any of this important? No. Forget strength of schedule or who lost to who. The only thing that matters is which team is going to show up hungry next Sunday, which team is going to execute better, which team will play more physical, and which team makes fewer mistakes.
As a Seahawks fan, I agree with your last sentence.From a Seahawks perspective, how does Hasselbeck handle the 3-4 defense. How does he read the zone blitzes and audible to a run if needed. How well do the Seahawks run the ball.

Defensively, can the Seahawks defend the Steelers running game, slow down Hines Ward. Health Miller is a concern. The middle of the field has been an issue in the past. They pressured a Super bowl tested Delhomme into three picks. Can they get pressure on Big Ben. They need to find a balance between defending the pass and the run.

Answers to those questions will determine the outcome of this game.

 
15 point win vs Indy's backups
They were up 14-0 when Manning left the game.
:cry: I clicked this post to read somthing about a bizarre habit of one of the Steelers players and get analysis instead.

Smoo, you of ALL people are immune to peer pressure. Rise above. Tell me about how Cowher runs around malls at Christmas time telling little kids there's no Santa Claus, or how Chris Hope performs unnecessary amputations on people's pets....

 
15 point win vs Indy's backups
They were up 14-0 when Manning left the game.
:cry: I clicked this post to read somthing about a bizarre habit of one of the Steelers players and get analysis instead.

Smoo, you of ALL people are immune to peer pressure. Rise above. Tell me about how Cowher runs around malls at Christmas time telling little kids there's no Santa Claus, or how Chris Hope performs unnecessary amputations on people's pets....
Who the #### is Chris Hope?
 
15 point win vs Indy's backups
They were up 14-0 when Manning left the game.
:cry: I clicked this post to read somthing about a bizarre habit of one of the Steelers players and get analysis instead.

Smoo, you of ALL people are immune to peer pressure. Rise above. Tell me about how Cowher runs around malls at Christmas time telling little kids there's no Santa Claus, or how Chris Hope performs unnecessary amputations on people's pets....
Who the #### is Chris Hope?
Starting safety with Polamalu.. His story doesn't get as much run as Troy wetting his bed, but I'm sure you'd agree, it's substantially more heinous.
 
SUPER BOWL TIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :pickle: :pickle: :pickle: :pickle:

I'M GOING HOME BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :pickle: :pickle: :pickle: :pickle:

GO........................SEAHAWKS............................ :pickle:
If you stumble upon any others I could probably be convinced to attend :bow: Please?

 
SUPER BOWL TIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :pickle:   :pickle:   :pickle:   :pickle:

I'M GOING HOME BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :pickle:   :pickle:   :pickle:   :pickle:

GO........................SEAHAWKS............................ :pickle:
If you stumble upon any others I could probably be convinced to attend :bow: Please?
They're not hard to get, just expensive.
 
Chris Hope?  That guy is a cross dresser.
I figured as much.
he wasn't always like that though, in college prior to the draft the biggest knock on him was that he was a bit infatuated with Brad Pitt. It wasn't until he went to the Steelers and Cowher got a hold of him with his relentless homosexual overtures that Hope fully embraced the longstanding culture of Steeler crossdressing defensive backs starting with Donnie Shell/Chuck Noll fiasco of '75.
 
I can't believe I have to endure another 9 days of Seahawk fans attempt at comedy...My Head is going to explode..PLAY THE GAME ALREADY!

 
It's not about the SOS. It's about 2 things that Seattle fans who only point to their record consistently overlook.

2. On the road, the Seahawks lost twice and had tough battles against far less talented teams in all but one of them. I wonder why that is.
Specifically addressing this point, the Seahawks have been pretty bad in the Eastern time zone. However, they have been pretty decent in night games in the eastern time zone.I am convinced that travel difficulties/jet lag has something to do with this. I think it's easier to do something 3 hours later than you're used to doing it than 3 hours earlier. Given that, they should be adjusted due to having a lot of time in Detroit before the game.

 
auction's over :kicksrock: actually I was looking for something...how should I put it?....more within my price range :sadbanana:

You buy I'll drive?
on gameday, steal yourself a full case of coors lite and a pack of marlboros and stand outside the stadium with your other toothless, homeless buddies. Maybe hang a sign out, asking for money to feed your family.
 
A wave of animal cruelty has the World Wildlife Federation up in arms.

On the first day of this new year a lion was found viciously mauled.

A week later, a Bengal tiger was discovered horribly beaten. While the lion

only had fresh wounds, the tiger appears to have been suffering regular

beatings for years.

Just seven days after that, a colt was found battered. People at the

scene said it kept muttering something about not getting enough protection.

Hours ago, Denver authorities found another horse, this time a bronco,

wandering the streets. The horse was not physically injured, but quite dazed and

confused. When asked about the incident, the hapless horse said 'I was

at home and everything was fine. I was about to feed my pet snake when he

started choking and screaming about some sort of terrible towel

following it around.'

Rumor has it that the next target will be some sort of bird, a Seahawk.

All of the victims report trying to peek behind a giant steel curtain

shortly before their incidents. As a result, the following warning has been

issued to all animals:

Peek behind a steel curtain, get hit by THE BUS.

GO STEELERS!!!

:towelwave: :towelwave:

 
As I said before the Panthers game, in the wild a Seahawk beats a Steeler every single time. Natural selection is a ##### that way! GO SEAHAWKS!

 
A wave of animal cruelty has the World Wildlife Federation up in arms.

On the first day of this new year a lion was found viciously mauled.

A week later, a Bengal tiger was discovered horribly beaten. While the lion

only had fresh wounds, the tiger appears to have been suffering regular

beatings for years.

Just seven days after that, a colt was found battered. People at the

scene said it kept muttering something about not getting enough protection.

Hours ago, Denver authorities found another horse, this time a bronco,

wandering the streets. The horse was not physically injured, but quite dazed and

confused. When asked about the incident, the hapless horse said 'I was

at home and everything was fine. I was about to feed my pet snake when he

started choking and screaming about some sort of terrible towel

following it around.'

Rumor has it that the next target will be some sort of bird, a Seahawk.

All of the victims report trying to peek behind a giant steel curtain

shortly before their incidents. As a result, the following warning has been

issued to all animals:

Peek behind a steel curtain, get hit by THE BUS.

GO STEELERS!!!

:towelwave: :towelwave:
Creative. :thumbup:
 
Seattle has victory parade set already

Link

Saturday, January 28, 2006

By Paul Zeise, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Seahawks and the City of Seattle apparently know the outcome of the Super Bowl already, and it isn't a good one for the Steelers.

According to a report Thursday in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, the team already has planned its victory parade for the Tuesday after the game.

The Seahawks' victory parade is set to begin at the Seattle center at noon Feb. 7 and will culminate at Qwest Field, where a 30-minute program has been scheduled, complete with entertainment and speakers.

The Steelers have not made any plans for a victory celebration.

"No, we'll cross that bridge and worry about planning a parade if we get to that point," said team spokesman Dave Lockett.

"All of our focus and energy has just been on the game. We'll deal with what happens afterward when the game is over, but, for now, the only thing we're concentrating on is getting ready for the game."

 
Seattle has victory parade set already

Link

Saturday, January 28, 2006

By Paul Zeise, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Seahawks and the City of Seattle apparently know the outcome of the Super Bowl already, and it isn't a good one for the Steelers.

According to a report Thursday in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, the team already has planned its victory parade for the Tuesday after the game.

The Seahawks' victory parade is set to begin at the Seattle center at noon Feb. 7 and will culminate at Qwest Field, where a 30-minute program has been scheduled, complete with entertainment and speakers.

The Steelers have not made any plans for a victory celebration.

"No, we'll cross that bridge and worry about planning a parade if we get to that point," said team spokesman Dave Lockett.

"All of our focus and energy has just been on the game. We'll deal with what happens afterward when the game is over, but, for now, the only thing we're concentrating on is getting ready for the game."
Most cities do this to prepare especially if they have no experience in holding such an event. Seattle certainly has no experience so not really a surprise. I don't think this is a motivational thing for anyone but as a superstitious person I don't really like it.
 
Seattle has victory parade set already

Link

Saturday, January 28, 2006

By Paul Zeise, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Seahawks and the City of Seattle apparently know the outcome of the Super Bowl already, and it isn't a good one for the Steelers.

According to a report Thursday in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, the team already has planned its victory parade for the Tuesday after the game.

The Seahawks' victory parade is set to begin at the Seattle center at noon Feb. 7 and will culminate at Qwest Field, where a 30-minute program has been scheduled, complete with entertainment and speakers.

The Steelers have not made any plans for a victory celebration.

"No, we'll cross that bridge and worry about planning a parade if we get to that point," said team spokesman Dave Lockett.

"All of our focus and energy has just been on the game. We'll deal with what happens afterward when the game is over, but, for now, the only thing we're concentrating on is getting ready for the game."
Most cities do this to prepare especially if they have no experience in holding such an event. Seattle certainly has no experience so not really a surprise. I don't think this is a motivational thing for anyone but as a superstitious person I don't really like it.
Maybe.But you and/or tarheel23 would be all over Pittsburgh if the situation was reversed.

 
Seattle has victory parade set already

Link

Saturday, January 28, 2006

By Paul Zeise, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Seahawks and the City of Seattle apparently know the outcome of the Super Bowl already, and it isn't a good one for the Steelers.

According to a report Thursday in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, the team already has planned its victory parade for the Tuesday after the game.

The Seahawks' victory parade is set to begin at the Seattle center at noon Feb. 7 and will culminate at Qwest Field, where a 30-minute program has been scheduled, complete with entertainment and speakers.

The Steelers have not made any plans for a victory celebration.

"No, we'll cross that bridge and worry about planning a parade if we get to that point," said team spokesman Dave Lockett.

"All of our focus and energy has just been on the game. We'll deal with what happens afterward when the game is over, but, for now, the only thing we're concentrating on is getting ready for the game."
Most cities do this to prepare especially if they have no experience in holding such an event. Seattle certainly has no experience so not really a surprise. I don't think this is a motivational thing for anyone but as a superstitious person I don't really like it.
Maybe.But you and/or tarheel23 would be all over Pittsburgh if the situation was reversed.
I think there was a flap about the Pistons two years ago and then San Antonio last year and they both ended up winning anyway. I think the Lakers had scheduled a parade before game 7 would have even been finished and that is where things get interesting. I really never thought about it much either way but for us it's something to talk about.
 
Reposting this here for the game thread. I'm sure if I'm wrong I'll take plenty of heat. But I stand by my system.

Good news and bad news. The bad news is a made a mistake by using the first post to mark up the conference title games. I should have used my second data set from this thread, which was produced based upon results after 15 games. The good news is that it would not have changed the prediction.

The super bowl pick also doesn't change, regardless of wether I use the first post (week 14) second post (week 16) or the final rankings. I use week 16 since some clubs sit their starters that last week. Not really fair to penalize the Seahawks for not trying (and it would not have penalized them anyway).

So here is what we have, based on regular season results minus week 17.

Seahawks (1st offense, 5th defense) 1+5 = magic number of 6

Steelers (8th offense, 3rd defense) 8+3 = magic number 11

The rule is that super bowl champs need their magic number to be lower than 20, which both clubs are.

Efficiencies (yards per point)

sea 13.37 O, 19.17 D

pit 14.10 O, 17.84 D

The Seahawks are more efficient on both sides of the ball. This holds true looking at week 14, 15, or 17. Entering this postseason, clubs who are more efficient on both sides of the ball were 19-2 in conference title games / super bowls over the past 15 years. When the Seahawks beat the Panthers for the NFC title, that number moved to 20-2 because the Seahawks were also more efficient on both sides of the ball than them. (The efficiencies were split in the Steelers-Broncos game, so it doesn't affect this). Clubs who are more efficient on both sides of the ball in the super bowl itself are a perfect 7-0 in the past 15 years. To me this holds a lot of weight because this isn't an arbitrary stat - its a very fundamental stat based upon points and yards - you can't statistically measure a club much better than that. Combined we are saying that a team usually has to be playing well to get to the super bowl, and when you have a team not only playing well but statisucally better than its opponent, you wind up with a winner.

One other number to consider is point differential. By that we mean points scored minus points allowed. Teams with a higher point differential have won 20 of the last 23 super bowls. Again, that is a very basic stat that should carry a lot of weight when it is that accurate in picking super bowl winners. Its not arbitrary at all.

Point differentials thru 15 games:

Seahawks: 435-248 = 187

Steelers: 354-237 = 117

The Seahawks have the edge here as well. Note that even if I included the final regular season games, the Seahawks would still have the edge.

Furthermore, let us discuss how these clubs are playing.

The Seahawks looked absolutely dominant in the NFC title game. And no-one can pick a weakness on their club right now. They can throw, run, and play defense.

I realize a lot of people believe the Steelers looked great in the AFC title game but I disagree. I know I'll draw heat for these next few paragraphs but I have to say what I think is the truth to put together a solid analysis. The Steelers did not look like a great club against the Broncos. For one, they were not able to run the football at all. In fact, the running game has not been working well for the Steelers lately. When the running game doesn't work, you are forced to throw more. The Steelers did that. When you have to throw more, you are prone to having your QB make mistakes. Contrary to what the general consensus was, Ben Rothlisberger made several mistakes, huge ones.

There are some stats I like that simply are not kept track of by anyone. One stat I would like to see kept track of in the NFL is interceptions dropped. It gives us a lot of info but because no-one keeps track of it, people act like a dropped interception should not be factored into evaluating a QB. Ben threw4 INTs in the AFC title game - none of them were caught.

1. On the first drive, Ben threw the classic, worst-throw-you-can-make pass. He tried to hit the WR who was about 5-10 yards downfield, and the CB jumps the route. That is a horrible throw that a veteran should never make. But Ben did it. The reason it is so horrible is that 9 times out of 10 the CB picks that off and scores a TD. But this time, Champ Bailey whiffed! It was almost like he was too excited to focus - he was 10 yards downfield before he realized he didn't have the ball. Instead, it popped straight up in the air and was caught for a 1st down.

2. Ben threw an INT into the end zone in the first quarter, but the defender couldn't quite haul it in. he had position, but couldn't make the catch. The Steelers scored on that drive.

3. Ben threw another INT into the end zone in the second quarter. The defender didn't get his hands up properly and it passed right between his arms. He could have had it, or at least knocked it down, instead a Steeler WR caught it for a TD.

4. In the third quarter with the score 24-14, Ben hit S John Lynch in the hands with the ball. Like the Bailey play, Lynch had nothing between him and the end zone. If he catches it, its a footrace. He just simply dropped the ball. Disregard all the other dropped ballls, if the Broncos just execute here its pretty much a new ball game.

To me, Ben didn't play well, but neither did the Broncos. They didn't punish Ben for his huge mistakes. But when you look at a box score you don't see that. If they just catch 2 of those 4, the Broncos are probably in the super bowl. Even if they just catch 1, but its that Lynch INT, and he scores, the Broncos may have won that game.

The point is that the Broncos gameplan was sound - they just didn't execute. I think the Steelers were fortunate to win that game.

The Steelers are not going to run the ball against the Seahawks. The Steelers do not have a dominant running game right now plus the Seawhawks excel against the run. On the flip side, I believe the Seahawks will be able to run against the Steelers. The Steelers excelled against the run in the regular season but they haven't fared well against the run in the postseason plus the Seahawks have a dominant running attack.

I think if the Seahawks mimic the basic gameplan of the Broncos - shut down the run and force Ben to pass - that Ben will throw INTs once again and this time the opponent doesn't drop them all.

Seahawks win this game. I think they should win this game easily. In fact, I think they should blow out the Steelers. I won't guarantee that. I think if the Seahawks have trouble with the 3-4 defense of the Steelers, then it turns into a close game. My system pretty much guarantees a Seahawks win tho, and I'll stand by that.

 
Reposting this here for the game thread. I'm sure if I'm wrong I'll take plenty of heat. But I stand by my system.

Good news and bad news. The bad news is a made a mistake by using the first post to mark up the conference title games. I should have used my second data set from this thread, which was produced based upon results after 15 games. The good news is that it would not have changed the prediction.

The super bowl pick also doesn't change, regardless of wether I use the first post (week 14) second post (week 16) or the final rankings. I use week 16 since some clubs sit their starters that last week. Not really fair to penalize the Seahawks for not trying (and it would not have penalized them anyway).

So here is what we have, based on regular season results minus week 17.

Seahawks (1st offense, 5th defense) 1+5 = magic number of 6

Steelers (8th offense, 3rd defense) 8+3 = magic number 11

The rule is that super bowl champs need their magic number to be lower than 20, which both clubs are.

Efficiencies (yards per point)

sea 13.37 O, 19.17 D

pit 14.10 O, 17.84 D

The Seahawks are more efficient on both sides of the ball. This holds true looking at week 14, 15, or 17. Entering this postseason, clubs who are more efficient on both sides of the ball were 19-2 in conference title games / super bowls over the past 15 years. When the Seahawks beat the Panthers for the NFC title, that number moved to 20-2 because the Seahawks were also more efficient on both sides of the ball than them. (The efficiencies were split in the Steelers-Broncos game, so it doesn't affect this). Clubs who are more efficient on both sides of the ball in the super bowl itself are a perfect 7-0 in the past 15 years. To me this holds a lot of weight because this isn't an arbitrary stat - its a very fundamental stat based upon points and yards - you can't statistically measure a club much better than that. Combined we are saying that a team usually has to be playing well to get to the super bowl, and when you have a team not only playing well but statisucally better than its opponent, you wind up with a winner.

One other number to consider is point differential. By that we mean points scored minus points allowed. Teams with a higher point differential have won 20 of the last 23 super bowls. Again, that is a very basic stat that should carry a lot of weight when it is that accurate in picking super bowl winners. Its not arbitrary at all.

Point differentials thru 15 games:

Seahawks: 435-248 = 187

Steelers: 354-237 = 117

The Seahawks have the edge here as well. Note that even if I included the final regular season games, the Seahawks would still have the edge.

Furthermore, let us discuss how these clubs are playing.

The Seahawks looked absolutely dominant in the NFC title game. And no-one can pick a weakness on their club right now. They can throw, run, and play defense.

I realize a lot of people believe the Steelers looked great in the AFC title game but I disagree. I know I'll draw heat for these next few paragraphs but I have to say what I think is the truth to put together a solid analysis. The Steelers did not look like a great club against the Broncos. For one, they were not able to run the football at all. In fact, the running game has not been working well for the Steelers lately. When the running game doesn't work, you are forced to throw more. The Steelers did that. When you have to throw more, you are prone to having your QB make mistakes. Contrary to what the general consensus was, Ben Rothlisberger made several mistakes, huge ones.

There are some stats I like that simply are not kept track of by anyone. One stat I would like to see kept track of in the NFL is interceptions dropped. It gives us a lot of info but because no-one keeps track of it, people act like a dropped interception should not be factored into evaluating a QB. Ben threw4 INTs in the AFC title game - none of them were caught.

1. On the first drive, Ben threw the classic, worst-throw-you-can-make pass. He tried to hit the WR who was about 5-10 yards downfield, and the CB jumps the route. That is a horrible throw that a veteran should never make. But Ben did it. The reason it is so horrible is that 9 times out of 10 the CB picks that off and scores a TD. But this time, Champ Bailey whiffed! It was almost like he was too excited to focus - he was 10 yards downfield before he realized he didn't have the ball. Instead, it popped straight up in the air and was caught for a 1st down.

2. Ben threw an INT into the end zone in the first quarter, but the defender couldn't quite haul it in. he had position, but couldn't make the catch. The Steelers scored on that drive.

3. Ben threw another INT into the end zone in the second quarter. The defender didn't get his hands up properly and it passed right between his arms. He could have had it, or at least knocked it down, instead a Steeler WR caught it for a TD.

4. In the third quarter with the score 24-14, Ben hit S John Lynch in the hands with the ball. Like the Bailey play, Lynch had nothing between him and the end zone. If he catches it, its a footrace. He just simply dropped the ball. Disregard all the other dropped ballls, if the Broncos just execute here its pretty much a new ball game.

To me, Ben didn't play well, but neither did the Broncos. They didn't punish Ben for his huge mistakes. But when you look at a box score you don't see that. If they just catch 2 of those 4, the Broncos are probably in the super bowl. Even if they just catch 1, but its that Lynch INT, and he scores, the Broncos may have won that game.

The point is that the Broncos gameplan was sound - they just didn't execute. I think the Steelers were fortunate to win that game.

The Steelers are not going to run the ball against the Seahawks. The Steelers do not have a dominant running game right now plus the Seawhawks excel against the run. On the flip side, I believe the Seahawks will be able to run against the Steelers. The Steelers excelled against the run in the regular season but they haven't fared well against the run in the postseason plus the Seahawks have a dominant running attack.

I think if the Seahawks mimic the basic gameplan of the Broncos - shut down the run and force Ben to pass - that Ben will throw INTs once again and this time the opponent doesn't drop them all.

Seahawks win this game. I think they should win this game easily. In fact, I think they should blow out the Steelers. I won't guarantee that. I think if the Seahawks have trouble with the 3-4 defense of the Steelers, then it turns into a close game. My system pretty much guarantees a Seahawks win tho, and I'll stand by that.
I hope your system is right for this game. I'm :popcorn: to see what comes in from those who disagree with some of your observations.
 
Reposting this here for the game thread.  I'm sure if I'm wrong I'll take plenty of heat.  But I stand by my system.

Good news and bad news.  The bad news is a made a mistake by using the first post to mark up the conference title games.  I should have used my second data set from this thread, which was produced based upon results after 15 games.  The good news is that it would not have changed the prediction. 

The super bowl pick also doesn't change, regardless of wether I use the first post (week 14) second post (week 16) or the final rankings.  I use week 16 since some clubs sit their starters that last week.  Not really fair to penalize the Seahawks for not trying (and it would not have penalized them anyway).

So here is what we have, based on regular season results minus week 17.

Seahawks (1st offense, 5th defense) 1+5 = magic number of 6

Steelers (8th offense, 3rd defense) 8+3 = magic number 11

The rule is that super bowl champs need their magic number to be lower than 20, which both clubs are.

Efficiencies (yards per point)

sea 13.37 O, 19.17 D

pit 14.10 O, 17.84 D

The Seahawks are more efficient on both sides of the ball.  This holds true looking at week 14, 15, or 17.  Entering this postseason, clubs who are more efficient on both sides of the ball were 19-2 in conference title games / super bowls over the past 15 years.  When the Seahawks beat the Panthers for the NFC title, that number moved to 20-2 because the Seahawks were also more efficient on both sides of the ball than them.  (The efficiencies were split in the Steelers-Broncos game, so it doesn't affect this).  Clubs who are more efficient on both sides of the ball in the super bowl itself are a perfect 7-0 in the past 15 years.  To me this holds a lot of weight because this isn't an arbitrary stat - its a very fundamental stat based upon points and yards - you can't statistically measure a club much better than that.  Combined we are saying that a team usually has to be playing well to get to the super bowl, and when you have a team not only playing well but statisucally better than its opponent, you wind up with a winner.

One other number to consider is point differential.  By that we mean points scored minus points allowed.  Teams with a higher point differential have won 20 of the last 23 super bowls.  Again, that is a very basic stat that should carry a lot of weight when it is that accurate in picking super bowl winners.  Its not arbitrary at all.

Point differentials thru 15 games:

Seahawks:  435-248 = 187

Steelers: 354-237 = 117

The Seahawks have the edge here as well. Note that even if I included the final regular season games, the Seahawks would still have the edge.

Furthermore, let us discuss how these clubs are playing. 

The Seahawks looked absolutely dominant in the NFC title game.  And no-one can pick a weakness on their club right now.  They can throw, run, and play defense.

I realize a lot of people believe the Steelers looked great in the AFC title game but I disagree.  I know I'll draw heat for these next few paragraphs but I have to say what I think is the truth to put together a solid analysis.  The Steelers did not look like a great club against the Broncos.  For one, they were not able to run the football at all.  In fact, the running game has not been working well for the Steelers lately.  When the running game doesn't work, you are forced to throw more.  The Steelers did that.  When you have to throw more, you are prone to having your QB make mistakes.  Contrary to what the general consensus was, Ben Rothlisberger made several mistakes, huge ones. 

There are some stats I like that simply are not kept track of by anyone.  One stat I would like to see kept track of in the NFL is interceptions dropped.  It gives us a lot of info but because no-one keeps track of it, people act like a dropped interception should not be factored into evaluating a QB.  Ben threw4 INTs in the AFC title game - none of them were caught. 

1.  On the first drive, Ben threw the classic, worst-throw-you-can-make pass.  He tried to hit the WR who was about 5-10 yards downfield, and the CB jumps the route.  That is a horrible throw that a veteran should never make.  But Ben did it.  The reason it is so horrible is that 9 times out of 10 the CB picks that off and scores a TD.  But this time, Champ Bailey whiffed!  It was almost like he was too excited to focus - he was 10 yards downfield before he realized he didn't have the ball.  Instead, it popped straight up in the air and was caught for a 1st down.

2.  Ben threw an INT into the end zone in the first quarter, but the defender couldn't quite haul it in.  he had position, but couldn't make the catch.  The Steelers scored on that drive.

3.  Ben threw another INT into the end zone in the second quarter.  The defender didn't get his hands up properly and it passed right between his arms.  He could have had it, or at least knocked it down, instead a Steeler WR caught it for a TD.

4.  In the third quarter with the score 24-14, Ben hit S John Lynch in the hands with the ball.  Like the Bailey play, Lynch had nothing between him and the end zone.  If he catches it, its a footrace.  He just simply dropped the ball.  Disregard all the other dropped ballls, if the Broncos just execute here its pretty much a new ball game.

To me, Ben didn't play well, but neither did the Broncos.  They didn't punish Ben for his huge mistakes.  But when you look at a box score you don't see that.  If they just catch 2 of those 4, the Broncos are probably in the super bowl.  Even if they just catch 1, but its that Lynch INT, and he scores, the Broncos may have won that game. 

The point is that the Broncos gameplan was sound - they just didn't execute.  I think the Steelers were fortunate to win that game. 

The Steelers are not going to run the ball against the Seahawks.  The Steelers do not have a dominant running game right now plus the Seawhawks excel against the run.  On the flip side, I believe the Seahawks will be able to run against the Steelers.  The Steelers excelled against the run in the regular season but they haven't fared well against the run in the postseason plus the Seahawks have a dominant running attack. 

I think if the Seahawks mimic the basic gameplan of the Broncos - shut down the run and force Ben to pass - that Ben will throw INTs once again and this time the opponent doesn't drop them all.

Seahawks win this game.  I think they should win this game easily.  In fact, I think they should blow out the Steelers.  I won't guarantee that.  I think if the Seahawks have trouble with the 3-4 defense of the Steelers, then it turns into a close game.  My system pretty much guarantees a Seahawks win tho, and I'll stand by that.
I hope your system is right for this game. I'm :popcorn: to see what comes in from those who disagree with some of your observations.
:lmao: Shocking analysis from BGP. Absolutely shocking.

So many different variables go into the stats he uses (strength of schedule, style of offense. injuries..) that it's not worth debating them anymore.

Yes, Seattle has played well all year. They looked great against a Panthers team with their 4th string RB, an injured Julius Peppers, and it's no wonder they could focus 3 guys on Steve Smith. They're a good team, but they struggled mightily away from their home stadium this year and struggled or lost each and every time they played a remotely decent team. I've posted on that before; if you break down their performances this year game by game, it's not all that impressive when you consider who they beat, where they beat them, and how they looked doing it.

As for Ben's "INTs", not all of them should have been picked. The throw to Ward on the first series was a bad throw, and from time to time QBs make them. His receiver (Ward) made a play on the ball, and great receivers do that for their QBs.

To say the 2nd one should have been an INT is ridiculous, because it was as close to being caught as it was being intercepted. It would have been an AMAZING interception.

The third one was a perfectly placed throw to Ward in the back of the endzone over the secondary. Was it close to being broken up? Sure, and a lot of passes a "close" to being broken up. This one was perfect, and it had to be. You're the only one I've heard say anything negative about that throw.

And the Lynch one at the end of the game was a miscommunication between him and the WR. Of course, to say it would've been a footrace to the endzone had he caught it isn't true. I just watched the play again, and he would've made another 10 yards if he was lucky.

He's right in that the Steelers will struggle to run if Seattle brings 8 and 9 guys into the box like Denver and Indianapolis did. Of course, they'll get burned time and time again in the passing game if they do. In the past, during the playoffs teams could do that to the Steelers because Stewart, Maddox, Tomczak, and O'Donnell couldn't make a defense pay for it. Roethlisberger can, but then again, he's struggled lately... right BGP? :lmao:

We've heard from BGP how Cowher can't coach, how Roethlisberger's fading again, and how every time the Steelers win anything, it's the other team that didn't execute or they got lucky to get by for one reason or another. We've even heard that he's happier rooting for the Browns than a franchise that won't replace Bill Cowher because he can't coach in big games (despite his 11-9 postseason record, 6 AFC Championship appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances, and average of over 10 regular season wins per year)

It's almost comical at this point.

 
Reposting this here for the game thread.  I'm sure if I'm wrong I'll take plenty of heat.  But I stand by my system.

Good news and bad news.  The bad news is a made a mistake by using the first post to mark up the conference title games.  I should have used my second data set from this thread, which was produced based upon results after 15 games.  The good news is that it would not have changed the prediction. 

The super bowl pick also doesn't change, regardless of wether I use the first post (week 14) second post (week 16) or the final rankings.  I use week 16 since some clubs sit their starters that last week.  Not really fair to penalize the Seahawks for not trying (and it would not have penalized them anyway).

So here is what we have, based on regular season results minus week 17.

Seahawks (1st offense, 5th defense) 1+5 = magic number of 6

Steelers (8th offense, 3rd defense) 8+3 = magic number 11

The rule is that super bowl champs need their magic number to be lower than 20, which both clubs are.

Efficiencies (yards per point)

sea 13.37 O, 19.17 D

pit 14.10 O, 17.84 D

The Seahawks are more efficient on both sides of the ball.  This holds true looking at week 14, 15, or 17.  Entering this postseason, clubs who are more efficient on both sides of the ball were 19-2 in conference title games / super bowls over the past 15 years.  When the Seahawks beat the Panthers for the NFC title, that number moved to 20-2 because the Seahawks were also more efficient on both sides of the ball than them.  (The efficiencies were split in the Steelers-Broncos game, so it doesn't affect this).  Clubs who are more efficient on both sides of the ball in the super bowl itself are a perfect 7-0 in the past 15 years.  To me this holds a lot of weight because this isn't an arbitrary stat - its a very fundamental stat based upon points and yards - you can't statistically measure a club much better than that.   Combined we are saying that a team usually has to be playing well to get to the super bowl, and when you have a team not only playing well but statisucally better than its opponent, you wind up with a winner.

One other number to consider is point differential.  By that we mean points scored minus points allowed.  Teams with a higher point differential have won 20 of the last 23 super bowls.  Again, that is a very basic stat that should carry a lot of weight when it is that accurate in picking super bowl winners.  Its not arbitrary at all.

Point differentials thru 15 games:

Seahawks:  435-248 = 187

Steelers: 354-237 = 117

The Seahawks have the edge here as well. Note that even if I included the final regular season games, the Seahawks would still have the edge.

Furthermore, let us discuss how these clubs are playing. 

The Seahawks looked absolutely dominant in the NFC title game.  And no-one can pick a weakness on their club right now.  They can throw, run, and play defense.

I realize a lot of people believe the Steelers looked great in the AFC title game but I disagree.  I know I'll draw heat for these next few paragraphs but I have to say what I think is the truth to put together a solid analysis.  The Steelers did not look like a great club against the Broncos.  For one, they were not able to run the football at all.  In fact, the running game has not been working well for the Steelers lately.  When the running game doesn't work, you are forced to throw more.  The Steelers did that.  When you have to throw more, you are prone to having your QB make mistakes.  Contrary to what the general consensus was, Ben Rothlisberger made several mistakes, huge ones. 

There are some stats I like that simply are not kept track of by anyone.  One stat I would like to see kept track of in the NFL is interceptions dropped.  It gives us a lot of info but because no-one keeps track of it, people act like a dropped interception should not be factored into evaluating a QB.  Ben threw4 INTs in the AFC title game - none of them were caught. 

1.  On the first drive, Ben threw the classic, worst-throw-you-can-make pass.  He tried to hit the WR who was about 5-10 yards downfield, and the CB jumps the route.  That is a horrible throw that a veteran should never make.  But Ben did it.  The reason it is so horrible is that 9 times out of 10 the CB picks that off and scores a TD.  But this time, Champ Bailey whiffed!  It was almost like he was too excited to focus - he was 10 yards downfield before he realized he didn't have the ball.  Instead, it popped straight up in the air and was caught for a 1st down.

2.  Ben threw an INT into the end zone in the first quarter, but the defender couldn't quite haul it in.  he had position, but couldn't make the catch.  The Steelers scored on that drive.

3.  Ben threw another INT into the end zone in the second quarter.  The defender didn't get his hands up properly and it passed right between his arms.  He could have had it, or at least knocked it down, instead a Steeler WR caught it for a TD.

4.  In the third quarter with the score 24-14, Ben hit S John Lynch in the hands with the ball.  Like the Bailey play, Lynch had nothing between him and the end zone.  If he catches it, its a footrace.  He just simply dropped the ball.  Disregard all the other dropped ballls, if the Broncos just execute here its pretty much a new ball game.

To me, Ben didn't play well, but neither did the Broncos.  They didn't punish Ben for his huge mistakes.  But when you look at a box score you don't see that.  If they just catch 2 of those 4, the Broncos are probably in the super bowl.  Even if they just catch 1, but its that Lynch INT, and he scores, the Broncos may have won that game. 

The point is that the Broncos gameplan was sound - they just didn't execute.  I think the Steelers were fortunate to win that game. 

The Steelers are not going to run the ball against the Seahawks.  The Steelers do not have a dominant running game right now plus the Seawhawks excel against the run.  On the flip side, I believe the Seahawks will be able to run against the Steelers.  The Steelers excelled against the run in the regular season but they haven't fared well against the run in the postseason plus the Seahawks have a dominant running attack. 

I think if the Seahawks mimic the basic gameplan of the Broncos - shut down the run and force Ben to pass - that Ben will throw INTs once again and this time the opponent doesn't drop them all.

Seahawks win this game.  I think they should win this game easily.  In fact, I think they should blow out the Steelers.  I won't guarantee that.  I think if the Seahawks have trouble with the 3-4 defense of the Steelers, then it turns into a close game.  My system pretty much guarantees a Seahawks win tho, and I'll stand by that.
I hope your system is right for this game. I'm :popcorn: to see what comes in from those who disagree with some of your observations.
:lmao: Shocking analysis from BGP. Absolutely shocking.

So many different variables go into the stats he uses (strength of schedule, style of offense. injuries..) that it's not worth debating them anymore.

Yes, Seattle has played well all year. They looked great against a Panthers team with their 4th string RB, an injured Julius Peppers, and it's no wonder they could focus 3 guys on Steve Smith. They're a good team, but they struggled mightily away from their home stadium this year and struggled or lost each and every time they played a remotely decent team. I've posted on that before; if you break down their performances this year game by game, it's not all that impressive when you consider who they beat, where they beat them, and how they looked doing it.

As for Ben's "INTs", not all of them should have been picked. The throw to Ward on the first series was a bad throw, and from time to time QBs make them. His receiver (Ward) made a play on the ball, and great receivers do that for their QBs.

To say the 2nd one should have been an INT is ridiculous, because it was as close to being caught as it was being intercepted. It would have been an AMAZING interception.

The third one was a perfectly placed throw to Ward in the back of the endzone over the secondary. Was it close to being broken up? Sure, and a lot of passes a "close" to being broken up. This one was perfect, and it had to be. You're the only one I've heard say anything negative about that throw.

And the Lynch one at the end of the game was a miscommunication between him and the WR. Of course, to say it would've been a footrace to the endzone had he caught it isn't true. I just watched the play again, and he would've made another 10 yards if he was lucky.

He's right in that the Steelers will struggle to run if Seattle brings 8 and 9 guys into the box like Denver and Indianapolis did. Of course, they'll get burned time and time again in the passing game if they do. In the past, during the playoffs teams could do that to the Steelers because Stewart, Maddox, Tomczak, and O'Donnell couldn't make a defense pay for it. Roethlisberger can, but then again, he's struggled lately... right BGP? :lmao:

We've heard from BGP how Cowher can't coach, how Roethlisberger's fading again, and how every time the Steelers win anything, it's the other team that didn't execute or they got lucky to get by for one reason or another. We've even heard that he's happier rooting for the Browns than a franchise that won't replace Bill Cowher because he can't coach in big games (despite his 11-9 postseason record, 6 AFC Championship appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances, and average of over 10 regular season wins per year)

It's almost comical at this point.
I haven't been on this board long but this BGP is a joke. He reminds me of this guy on another board who was a Lions fan who had an irrational hatred of the Packers. He used to make the same type of ludicrous and irrational comments until he became a complete joke. Then he made up some lame excuse for why he was leaving the board forever. This trainwreck looks to be heading the same way.I'm not going to waste my time commenting on the whole post but I want to say something about the pass to Hines for a TD that he says should be an INT. That pass could not have been more perfect.

One day your team might be good again, but until then just let it go.

 
As far as comments about my objectivity:The elements in analyzing teams that I use have not changed since even before this season started. All the statistical elements that I use say that the Seahawks are the better team. For you to believe I am being biased, I think you'd have to believe I am a time-traveller and knew years in advance that if I used this particular set of data, it would always point to the conclusion that the Steelers were an inferior club.

 
So we add this with BGP's "Super Bowl always goes through Cleveland" statistics and we have BGP predicting the Seahawks in one thread and the Steelers in another. Such wisdom.

 
The real question, as always, is this:why are Steelers fans so sensitive?When I blast Tony Dungy for a 5-7 playoff record before his loss this year to the Steelers, and say I am really worried about picking them to win the super bowl because of that, I don't have a horde of Colts fans on me. When I blast Jake Plummer and say he had 6 TDs and 8 INTs heading into the AFC title game, I didn't have a bunch of Broncos fans upset. When I said the Panthers would not run the ball in the NFC title game, Panther fans were not saying I had no credibility. Its only when I criticize the Steelers that I get "hate mail". I think Steelers fans just need to relax a little more.

 
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