Surgeon General links Alcohol to Cancer (1 Viewer)

[Kiddnets]

So the Surgeon General is telling me to switch to weed full time????

Is hitting a pen any worse than actual flower? Asking for a friend.

Yes.

Lot's of factors at play. Is it flavored distillate? (if so...get rid of it)

The ideal scenario for using a pen is to look for cartridges that have solventless rosin or live resin (avoid any flavoring) and to use the pen at the lowest temperature setting.

Thanks for the info. I'll double-check the resin-type of cartridges I buy. My battery doesn't have buttons or temperature settings. Just pull.

I want to use flower, but the pen for my home-life is so much easier and discreet. I'll direct any further questions I have to the pot smokers thread.

Pot smoker thread has a lot of good info - id rather smoke than do edibles as im not a fan of the delay and different high but it seems to be the safest way to catch a buzz. As for pen vs flower - from what I know flower through a good vape is the safest way to smoke...though im sure nothing is "safe" Then again I still havent seen any real medical studies connecting smoking weed to lung cancer like cigarettes

 

[General Malaise]

I'm glad we're all so blase about it.

Will this affect your intake of alcohol?

No. Everything we eat or drink that is not natural likely causes cancer. They could put this label on nearly everything.

I lost track of how many times over the holidays I politely declined food offerings that were bad for me. I certainly didn't say no to everything, but a whole lot more than not. We had a taco bar for new year's and the jeers I got for opting against shells while predictable were loud.

I choose to drink my bad decisions

Boy, I tell you what, I spent 11 days in Michigan over Xmas break and it's staggering how different the cultures are compared to Oregon vis a vis food. Obviously anecdotal here, but my wife's family is huge on both sides so her sister hosted a party for her mom's side on a Sat and dad's side on a Sun. Everybody brought a dish. The amount and volume of sugar based desserts than came into the house was alarming. Cookies, cakes, pastries and I'm forgetting 85% of the sugary items that were placed on the counters. Some were homemade, many were store bought. I know it's the holidays buy my god, that's a *LOT* of sugar consumption or sugar options.

One of the cousins signed up to bring a shrimp dish, which I something I'd normally do but would prepare my own way (wild caught, quick boil in beer and Old bay) so it was taken out of my hands. This guy brought in a giant tray of shrimp but hold on everybody.....it was mostly frozen. His remedy? He ran it all under HOT water and then placed them all back on that large plastic round tray. I didn't know he had done this, so I had ONE shrimp and it tasted like stringy shrimp water. Almost barfed.

I'm with you, I'll eat healthier foods, avoid sugar but I'm keeping the booze. Let me go to hell the way I want to.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm glad we're all so blase about it.

Will this affect your intake of alcohol?

No. Everything we eat or drink that is not natural likely causes cancer. They could put this label on nearly everything.

I lost track of how many times over the holidays I politely declined food offerings that were bad for me. I certainly didn't say no to everything, but a whole lot more than not. We had a taco bar for new year's and the jeers I got for opting against shells while predictable were loud.

I choose to drink my bad decisions

Boy, I tell you what, I spent 11 days in Michigan over Xmas break and it's staggering how different the cultures are compared to Oregon vis a vis food. Obviously anecdotal here, but my wife's family is huge on both sides so her sister hosted a party for her mom's side on a Sat and dad's side on a Sun. Everybody brought a dish. The amount and volume of sugar based desserts than came into the house was alarming. Cookies, cakes, pastries and I'm forgetting 85% of the sugary items that were placed on the counters. Some were homemade, many were store bought. I know it's the holidays buy my god, that's a *LOT* of sugar consumption or sugar options.

One of the cousins signed up to bring a shrimp dish, which I something I'd normally do but would prepare my own way (wild caught, quick boil in beer and Old bay) so it was taken out of my hands. This guy brought in a giant tray of shrimp but hold on everybody.....it was mostly frozen. His remedy? He ran it all under HOT water and then placed them all back on that large plastic round tray. I didn't know he had done this, so I had ONE shrimp and it tasted like stringy shrimp water. Almost barfed.

I'm with you, I'll eat healthier foods, avoid sugar but I'm keeping the booze. Let me go to hell the way I want to.

Ah yes. Midwestern shrimp. Always a crowd-pleaser.

 

[urbanhack]

I'm glad we're all so blase about it.

Will this affect your intake of alcohol?

No. Everything we eat or drink that is not natural likely causes cancer. They could put this label on nearly everything.

I lost track of how many times over the holidays I politely declined food offerings that were bad for me. I certainly didn't say no to everything, but a whole lot more than not. We had a taco bar for new year's and the jeers I got for opting against shells while predictable were loud.

I choose to drink my bad decisions

Boy, I tell you what, I spent 11 days in Michigan over Xmas break and it's staggering how different the cultures are compared to Oregon vis a vis food. Obviously anecdotal here, but my wife's family is huge on both sides so her sister hosted a party for her mom's side on a Sat and dad's side on a Sun. Everybody brought a dish. The amount and volume of sugar based desserts than came into the house was alarming. Cookies, cakes, pastries and I'm forgetting 85% of the sugary items that were placed on the counters. Some were homemade, many were store bought. I know it's the holidays buy my god, that's a *LOT* of sugar consumption or sugar options.

One of the cousins signed up to bring a shrimp dish, which I something I'd normally do but would prepare my own way (wild caught, quick boil in beer and Old bay) so it was taken out of my hands. This guy brought in a giant tray of shrimp but hold on everybody.....it was mostly frozen. His remedy? He ran it all under HOT water and then placed them all back on that large plastic round tray. I didn't know he had done this, so I had ONE shrimp and it tasted like stringy shrimp water. Almost barfed.

I'm with you, I'll eat healthier foods, avoid sugar but I'm keeping the booze. Let me go to hell the way I want to.

Any fake crab meat sightings?

 

[General Malaise]

I'm glad we're all so blase about it.

Will this affect your intake of alcohol?

No. Everything we eat or drink that is not natural likely causes cancer. They could put this label on nearly everything.

I lost track of how many times over the holidays I politely declined food offerings that were bad for me. I certainly didn't say no to everything, but a whole lot more than not. We had a taco bar for new year's and the jeers I got for opting against shells while predictable were loud.

I choose to drink my bad decisions

Boy, I tell you what, I spent 11 days in Michigan over Xmas break and it's staggering how different the cultures are compared to Oregon vis a vis food. Obviously anecdotal here, but my wife's family is huge on both sides so her sister hosted a party for her mom's side on a Sat and dad's side on a Sun. Everybody brought a dish. The amount and volume of sugar based desserts than came into the house was alarming. Cookies, cakes, pastries and I'm forgetting 85% of the sugary items that were placed on the counters. Some were homemade, many were store bought. I know it's the holidays buy my god, that's a *LOT* of sugar consumption or sugar options.

One of the cousins signed up to bring a shrimp dish, which I something I'd normally do but would prepare my own way (wild caught, quick boil in beer and Old bay) so it was taken out of my hands. This guy brought in a giant tray of shrimp but hold on everybody.....it was mostly frozen. His remedy? He ran it all under HOT water and then placed them all back on that large plastic round tray. I didn't know he had done this, so I had ONE shrimp and it tasted like stringy shrimp water. Almost barfed.

I'm with you, I'll eat healthier foods, avoid sugar but I'm keeping the booze. Let me go to hell the way I want to.

Ah yes. Midwestern shrimp. Always a crowd-pleaser.

Fresh from the shores of Sandusky, Ohio!

 

[General Malaise]

I'm glad we're all so blase about it.

Will this affect your intake of alcohol?

No. Everything we eat or drink that is not natural likely causes cancer. They could put this label on nearly everything.

I lost track of how many times over the holidays I politely declined food offerings that were bad for me. I certainly didn't say no to everything, but a whole lot more than not. We had a taco bar for new year's and the jeers I got for opting against shells while predictable were loud.

I choose to drink my bad decisions

Boy, I tell you what, I spent 11 days in Michigan over Xmas break and it's staggering how different the cultures are compared to Oregon vis a vis food. Obviously anecdotal here, but my wife's family is huge on both sides so her sister hosted a party for her mom's side on a Sat and dad's side on a Sun. Everybody brought a dish. The amount and volume of sugar based desserts than came into the house was alarming. Cookies, cakes, pastries and I'm forgetting 85% of the sugary items that were placed on the counters. Some were homemade, many were store bought. I know it's the holidays buy my god, that's a *LOT* of sugar consumption or sugar options.

One of the cousins signed up to bring a shrimp dish, which I something I'd normally do but would prepare my own way (wild caught, quick boil in beer and Old bay) so it was taken out of my hands. This guy brought in a giant tray of shrimp but hold on everybody.....it was mostly frozen. His remedy? He ran it all under HOT water and then placed them all back on that large plastic round tray. I didn't know he had done this, so I had ONE shrimp and it tasted like stringy shrimp water. Almost barfed.

I'm with you, I'll eat healthier foods, avoid sugar but I'm keeping the booze. Let me go to hell the way I want to.

Any fake crab meat sightings?

You mean Krab? No.....blessedly.

 

[thecatch]

Emily Oster, is, as usual, worth reading about this.

 

[Mitchie]

Seems like this was known, didn't need the Surgeon General to say this. For those saying everything causes cancer, while I am a big Joe Jackson fan this isn't really true.

That's definitely not what I'm saying. But if you label everything that way, people just stop seeing the warnings that actually matter. There's no scale for this stuff. It's all hair on fire stuff.

Perhaps, but if there's evidence that something causes cancer I'd like to hear about it.

 

[MAC_32]

The amount and volume of sugar based desserts than came into the house was alarming. Cookies, cakes, pastries and I'm forgetting 85% of the sugary items that were placed on the counters. Some were homemade, many were store bought. I know it's the holidays buy my god, that's a *LOT* of sugar consumption or sugar options.

My wife usually counts how many homemade Christmas cookies she makes each year. She got distracted with a cookie dough she screwed up and lost track, but she was at 313 (!!!) when that happened and still had several batches to go. Those cookies only represented about a quarter of the baked goods options at each of our get togethers. Us midwesterners are something else.

One of the cousins signed up to bring a shrimp dish, which I something I'd normally do but would prepare my own way (wild caught, quick boil in beer and Old bay) so it was taken out of my hands. This guy brought in a giant tray of shrimp but hold on everybody.....it was mostly frozen. His remedy? He ran it all under HOT water and then placed them all back on that large plastic round tray. I didn't know he had done this, so I had ONE shrimp and it tasted like stringy shrimp water. Almost barfed.

This is the one thing I always devour at Christmas Eve dinner. My father-in-law does shrimp cocktail with tiger shrimp, quick boil and a dash of Old Bay - voila. Sometime last decade he counted (and didn't lose track like my wife) and I ate 29 of those things. He did appreciate that I held back to around a dozen until everyone else stopped eating them, but I've noticed he's made less in subsequent years. What you described? That's how my parents prepare them. They're at my in-laws and see what I do to those things yet sass me every year because I won't touch theirs. Little do they know the joke's on them

 

[SWC]

I'm glad we're all so blase about it.

Will this affect your intake of alcohol?

No. Everything we eat or drink that is not natural likely causes cancer. They could put this label on nearly everything.

I lost track of how many times over the holidays I politely declined food offerings that were bad for me. I certainly didn't say no to everything, but a whole lot more than not. We had a taco bar for new year's and the jeers I got for opting against shells while predictable were loud.

I choose to drink my bad decisions

Boy, I tell you what, I spent 11 days in Michigan over Xmas break and it's staggering how different the cultures are compared to Oregon vis a vis food. Obviously anecdotal here, but my wife's family is huge on both sides so her sister hosted a party for her mom's side on a Sat and dad's side on a Sun. Everybody brought a dish. The amount and volume of sugar based desserts than came into the house was alarming. Cookies, cakes, pastries and I'm forgetting 85% of the sugary items that were placed on the counters. Some were homemade, many were store bought. I know it's the holidays buy my god, that's a *LOT* of sugar consumption or sugar options.

One of the cousins signed up to bring a shrimp dish, which I something I'd normally do but would prepare my own way (wild caught, quick boil in beer and Old bay) so it was taken out of my hands. This guy brought in a giant tray of shrimp but hold on everybody.....it was mostly frozen. His remedy? He ran it all under HOT water and then placed them all back on that large plastic round tray. I didn't know he had done this, so I had ONE shrimp and it tasted like stringy shrimp water. Almost barfed.

I'm with you, I'll eat healthier foods, avoid sugar but I'm keeping the booze. Let me go to hell the way I want to.

i have lived in wisconsin my entire life and there is absoeffenlutely nothing healthy about the standard diet up here and thats just how it is take that to the bank bromigos

 

[fatness]

Combine this topic with another current one and we'd have a hell of a thread.

"Surgeon General Links Alcohol with How To Get To Heaven When You Die."

 

[Joe Bryant]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

I'd ask a clarifying question: Does this news affect how you personally view alcohol?

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Seems like this was known, didn't need the Surgeon General to say this. For those saying everything causes cancer, while I am a big Joe Jackson fan this isn't really true.

That's definitely not what I'm saying. But if you label everything that way, people just stop seeing the warnings that actually matter. There's no scale for this stuff. It's all hair on fire stuff.

Perhaps, but if there's evidence that something causes cancer I'd like to hear about it.

The problem is that the warning is the same for hexavalent chromium and something that you'd have to eat a pound of per day for one hundred years to get cancer. There's no information here at all. A slice of Oscar Meyer yields the same warning as yellowcake uranium. Completely unhelpful.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Then again I still havent seen any real medical studies connecting smoking weed to lung cancer like cigarettes

I have some bad news for you. Any particulate matter in the lungs is bad, regardless of source. Smoking is smoking. Tobacco may be worse or not, but smoking anything is not lung-friendly.

 

[Scoresman]

Is this like when they said Diet Coke causes cancer, but then when you looked at the study, you needed to drink something like a dozen of them a day for it to become harmful?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

So the Surgeon General is telling me to switch to weed full time????

Is hitting a pen any worse than actual flower? Asking for a friend.

Yes.

Lot's of factors at play. Is it flavored distillate? (if so...get rid of it)

The ideal scenario for using a pen is to look for cartridges that have solventless rosin or live resin (avoid any flavoring) and to use the pen at the lowest temperature setting.

Thanks for the info. I'll double-check the resin-type of cartridges I buy. My battery doesn't have buttons or temperature settings. Just pull.

I want to use flower, but the pen for my home-life is so much easier and discreet. I'll direct any further questions I have to the pot smokers thread.

where do you live?

SF Bay Area

 

[The General]

What can I say...I like to live dangerously.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Studies showing longevity benefit have been criticized for inclusion of people who quit drinking as abstainers (versus never drinkers), under the assumption some were “sick quitters”, who made teetotalers look less healthy. That said, more carefully controlled population studies do show a mortality sweet spot around 1/2 drink per day.

Any thoughts on what the mechanism is for this? The alcohol = good for your heart conclusion gets criticized, but the all cause mortality benefit to light drinking seems to show up a lot. The counterargument that it's confounded with other things (e.g., successful high income people are more likely to drink moderately, and wealth is positively correlated with longer life) is fairly persuasive, but surely people try to control for that in their experimental designs?

Yeah, alcohol is effectively a poison. But like many toxins, it has a hormetic effect, where low doses stress the body to upregulate longevity-promoting mechanisms (eg. cellular housekeeping), while excess overwhelms these mechanisms to cause damage. Or maybe low doses thin the blood enough to reduce cardiovascular disease, without thinning it too much to promote bleeding, or other damage which causes cancer?

As an aside, this is nutrition research, so it’s almost never prospective, randomized control trials. With retrospective population studies, nutrient intake is often based on surveys of suspect reliability, and the data is ripe for confounders.

 

[The General]

Funny how they can figure out everything that causes cancer, but they just can’t seem to figure out a way to cure it

Oh there's a cure for it...but it causes cancer.

 

[Terminalxylem]

If I quit, and I might, it would be because I hate the way it affects my sleep

Yeah, it’s terrible for restorative sleep, and bad sleep is no bueno for overall health, especially cognitive function.

 

[ChiefD]

i have lived in wisconsin my entire life and there is absoeffenlutely nothing healthy about the standard diet up here and thats just how it is take that to the bank bromigos

Why do you think I moved here?

The place down the street from my house has potato balls. Think twice-baked potato filling rolled up and deep fried.

Holy hell those things are good.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

If everything causes cancer, nothing does. It's just silly at this point.

To be fair, aging causes cancer. But relative risk of carcinogenesis is important, and alcohol intake is one of our bigger modifiable risk factors.

 

[BlackCrowes]

good to know

 

[El Floppo]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

I'd ask a clarifying question: Does this news affect how you personally view alcohol?

Me, no.

But I'm a light drinker.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

If everything causes cancer, nothing does. It's just silly at this point.

It's like the "arguments" I have with a low carb friend. You might live an extra year avoiding pizza, beer, and cake, but I'll enjoy the years I do live more than you.

The low carb friend probably isn’t living longer by virtue of a low carbohydrate diet, as both very high and low carbohydrate intake is associated with increased mortality. FTR roughly 45-55% calories from carbohydrates seems to be the longevity sweet spot, though there are outliers of long-lived populations with even higher carbohydrate consumption.

And adopting healthier (versus less healthy) lifestyle is associated not only with a decade+ longer life, but longer functional healthspan (which correlates highly with quality of life) and duration of debility at life’s end. We all will likely suffer for awhile before we die, but those with good habits suffer debility a year or two less, on average. None of that may seem like a lot now, but it’s a decision your future self may regret.

I’m not sure how much of that decade and suffering are due solely to drinking, but there’s plenty to enjoy in a no-to-low alcohol lifestyle imo.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Funny how they can figure out everything that causes cancer, but they just can’t seem to figure out a way to cure it

But they can figure out ways to prevent a lot of it, if people were receptive to the message.

 

[General Malaise]

I do think the warnings on beer cans et al need a refresh. We know it's bad to drink and drive. We know it's bad for pregnant women to drink alcohol. But that's all we get for a warning?

How about "likely to cause bad gambling decisions" or "could increase liklihood of regretful romantic encounters".

Or could cause cancer. Inform us!

 

[Joe Bryant]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

I'd ask a clarifying question: Does this news affect how you personally view alcohol?

Me, no.

But I'm a light drinker.

That's what I'd expect too. I'm not surprised people don't think it's a big deal.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Where I could see it being a bigger deal is for the industry itself. There seems to be a general sentiment already though for less alcohol and more non alcoholic options.

I don't see any way a warning label could do anything but hinder sales overall. How much is the question.

 

[General Malaise]

You ever see the warning labels that come on a pack of cigarettes in Canada (or Mexico I'm told)? Graphic images of destroyed lungs by years of smoking with very blunt messaging. Not sure if that put a dent in sales or not but it is certainly a much stronger warning than we have in the US. I quit smoking 25 years ago but when I did smoke and traveled to Canada on business it was an eye-opener seeing that on a pack of Camels.

 

[3C's]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

If everything causes cancer, nothing does. It's just silly at this point.

It's like the "arguments" I have with a low carb friend. You might live an extra year avoiding pizza, beer, and cake, but I'll enjoy the years I do live more than you.

The low carb friend probably isn’t living longer by virtue of a low carbohydrate diet, as both very high and low carbohydrate intake is associated with increased mortality. FTR roughly 45-55% calories from carbohydrates seems to be the longevity sweet spot, though there are outliers of long-lived populations with even higher carbohydrate consumption.

And adopting healthier (versus less healthy) lifestyle is associated not only with a decade+ longer life, but longer functional healthspan (which correlates highly with quality of life) and duration of debility at life’s end. We all will likely suffer for awhile before we die, but those with good habits suffer debility a year or two less, on average. None of that may seem like a lot now, but it’s a decision your future self may regret.

I’m not sure how much of that decade and suffering are due solely to drinking, but there’s plenty to enjoy in a no-to-low alcohol lifestyle imo.

Almost 82 miles on the bike this week, plus some rowing and elliptical. Think I'll be okay.

 

[3C's]

I do think the warnings on beer cans et al need a refresh. We know it's bad to drink and drive. We know it's bad for pregnant women to drink alcohol. But that's all we get for a warning?

How about "likely to cause bad gambling decisions" or "could increase liklihood of regretful romantic encounters".

Or could cause cancer. Inform us!

"The surgeon general has determined that too many of these will lead to you making an *** of yourself."

 

[General Malaise]

I do think the warnings on beer cans et al need a refresh. We know it's bad to drink and drive. We know it's bad for pregnant women to drink alcohol. But that's all we get for a warning?

How about "likely to cause bad gambling decisions" or "could increase liklihood of regretful romantic encounters".

Or could cause cancer. Inform us!

"The surgeon general has determined that too many of these will lead to you making an *** of yourself."

That's gold, Jerry. GOLD!

 

[titusbramble]

Concern here is zero

 

[-OZ-]

, poor sleep,

This. More than anything else is a reason I’m going to, at some point in the future, cut down. As I finish this bourbon.

 

[General Malaise]

Funny how they can figure out everything that causes cancer, but they just can’t seem to figure out a way to cure it

But they can figure out ways to prevent a lot of it, if people were receptive to the message.

We have figured out ways to cure SOME cancers, no? Breast cancer, skin cancer, colon cancer, lung cancer....if caught early, the success rate in curing these types of cancer are good, right?

I dunno, I went to a lecture 10 years ago when Phil Knight pledged $500MM to cancer research if OHSU could match his pledge and the doctor speaking was very positive about the future of cancer treatment and cited those four as cancers that are treatable. If caught early enough.

But you're of course correct that prevention is a better course of action.

 

[General Malaise]

, poor sleep,

This. More than anything else is a reason I’m going to, at some point in the future, cut down. As I finish this bourbon.

Edibles help me sleep soundly at night even if I've had a few beers. Probably not a recipe for longterm success but I'm for sure getting my zzzzzzzzzzs and waking up early fresh as a daisy.

 

[-OZ-]

longer functional healthspan (which correlates highly with quality of life)

honestly, I don’t care if X knocks 5 years off my lifespan. I care a lot if something knocks our quality of life.

 

[-OZ-]

, poor sleep,

This. More than anything else is a reason I’m going to, at some point in the future, cut down. As I finish this bourbon.

Edibles help me sleep soundly at night even if I've had a few beers. Probably not a recipe for longterm success but I'm for sure getting my zzzzzzzzzzs and waking up early fresh as a daisy.

I’ve tried CBD. It didn’t seem to help.

 

[El Floppo]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

I'd ask a clarifying question: Does this news affect how you personally view alcohol?

Me, no.

But I'm a light drinker.

That's what I'd expect too. I'm not surprised people don't think it's a big deal.

I really must be the only one who's not heard the cancer/alcohol connection. Liver problems, bad health and decisions... Sure. But for me, never cancer. That's the part I'm most surprised about in here, especially because I thought I've been reasonably well informed about stuff. Apparently not.

I'm also a lighter drinker than most. So it shouldn't be a problem for me. If they said coffee gave me cancer (lemme guess, I'm the last to know about that too), I'd be making immediate changes to my 2 very large cups per day.

 

[General Malaise]

, poor sleep,

This. More than anything else is a reason I’m going to, at some point in the future, cut down. As I finish this bourbon.

Edibles help me sleep soundly at night even if I've had a few beers. Probably not a recipe for longterm success but I'm for sure getting my zzzzzzzzzzs and waking up early fresh as a daisy.

I’ve tried CBD. It didn’t seem to help.

That's because CBD on its own is nothing more than snake oil. You need THC to get any efficacy out of it.

 

[titusbramble]

Funny how they can figure out everything that causes cancer, but they just can’t seem to figure out a way to cure it

Where's the ongoing profit for big pharma if cancer is cured though?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

I'd ask a clarifying question: Does this news affect how you personally view alcohol?

Me, no.

But I'm a light drinker.

That's what I'd expect too. I'm not surprised people don't think it's a big deal.

I really must be the only one who's not heard the cancer/alcohol connection. Liver problems, bad health and decisions... Sure. But for me, never cancer. That's the part I'm most surprised about in here, especially because I thought I've been reasonably well informed about stuff. Apparently not.

I'm also a lighter drinker than most. So it shouldn't be a problem for me. If they said coffee gave me cancer (lemme guess, I'm the last to know about that too), I'd be making immediate changes to my 2 very large cups per day.

Thanks.

I think there's some fatigue too on the "this causes ________" stuff. The evils come and go it seems. Currently it's sugar. A while back, salt was evil. A while back fats were evil. I think people are tired of it.

Alcohols been around a long time and people have pretty good experiences seeing for themselves. Certainly, lots of it seems bad in a lot of different ways. But most of us also know plenty of people, maybe ourselves, who consume sensibly with no troubles.

I don't want to take this political, but I also think there's some degree of these days at the Surgeon General.

 

[General Malaise]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

I'd ask a clarifying question: Does this news affect how you personally view alcohol?

Me, no.

But I'm a light drinker.

That's what I'd expect too. I'm not surprised people don't think it's a big deal.

I really must be the only one who's not heard the cancer/alcohol connection. Liver problems, bad health and decisions... Sure. But for me, never cancer. That's the part I'm most surprised about in here, especially because I thought I've been reasonably well informed about stuff. Apparently not.

I'm also a lighter drinker than most. So it shouldn't be a problem for me. If they said coffee gave me cancer (lemme guess, I'm the last to know about that too), I'd be making immediate changes to my 2 very large cups per day.

I mean, there's like a trillion dollar industry that sponsors our biggest sporting events who do NOT want cancer being linked to their products.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

You ever see the warning labels that come on a pack of cigarettes in Canada (or Mexico I'm told)? Graphic images of destroyed lungs by years of smoking with very blunt messaging. Not sure if that put a dent in sales or not but it is certainly a much stronger warning than we have in the US. I quit smoking 25 years ago but when I did smoke and traveled to Canada on business it was an eye-opener seeing that on a pack of Camels.

They copied this off the Australians.
Cigarettes are taxed exhorbitantly and are not allowed to be visibly sold.
They are kept in hidden cabinets.
Only 5% of teenagers smoke…the cool ones lol
But vaping needs to be factored into more recent statistics, which it isnt.

Australia banned the sale of Vapes outside pharmacists last year but its been impossible to enforce.

 

[Desert_Power]

Friday threads used to be fun around here.

 

[Kiddnets]

Then again I still havent seen any real medical studies connecting smoking weed to lung cancer like cigarettes

I have some bad news for you. Any particulate matter in the lungs is bad, regardless of source. Smoking is smoking. Tobacco may be worse or not, but smoking anything is not lung-friendly.

I hear you - not saying its "safe" - smoking anything is worse than nothing - but from what I gather weed is much safer than cigarettes and dry vaping weed is the safest way to "smoke" - no tar and THC is inhaled without combustion. its all a matter of degrees.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I never knew this in HS. This wasn't discussed like smoking was. And after the smoking announcement...there's been a shift in the culture about it. I had assumed this will lead to eventual shift similar to smoking.

But nobody really seems to care?

If everything causes cancer, nothing does. It's just silly at this point.

It's like the "arguments" I have with a low carb friend. You might live an extra year avoiding pizza, beer, and cake, but I'll enjoy the years I do live more than you.

The low carb friend probably isn’t living longer by virtue of a low carbohydrate diet, as both very high and low carbohydrate intake is associated with increased mortality. FTR roughly 45-55% calories from carbohydrates seems to be the longevity sweet spot, though there are outliers of long-lived populations with even higher carbohydrate consumption.

And adopting healthier (versus less healthy) lifestyle is associated not only with a decade+ longer life, but longer functional healthspan (which correlates highly with quality of life) and duration of debility at life’s end. We all will likely suffer for awhile before we die, but those with good habits suffer debility a year or two less, on average. None of that may seem like a lot now, but it’s a decision your future self may regret.

I’m not sure how much of that decade and suffering are due solely to drinking, but there’s plenty to enjoy in a no-to-low alcohol lifestyle imo.

Almost 82 miles on the bike this week, plus some rowing and elliptical. Think I'll be okay.

If I were forced to choose only one healthy behavior, habitual exercise would be it. But its not a magic bullet, as I’m reminded frequently by ex-marathoners I see in the hospital.

 

[culdeus]

I'm glad we're all so blase about it.

Will this affect your intake of alcohol?

No. Everything we eat or drink that is not natural likely causes cancer. They could put this label on nearly everything.

This is only true for a few food additives, microplastics/forever chemicals +/- some contaminants, like pesticides. Certainly not every non-natural food additive, and not to the same extent alcohol consumption poses.

There's risk in red meat, hard searing meat of most types, heavy metals in fish, and nobody really knows if the pesticide/herbicide/fungicide thing on vegetables is risky to what extent.

I don't really trust organic food to actually be, organic, and then there's packaging to deal with.

Yes, the risk factors of all of the above may be 1/10 of booze (even combined), but there is substantial difficulty in getting a fully clean food supply.

 

[culdeus]

If I quit, and I might, it would be because I hate the way it affects my sleep

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