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My guess would be that since Varner (according to him) in actively involve in advocating on behalf of LGBTQ community, he had a lot of exposure to transgendered people and is familiar with the various stages of a transitioned person. Add that to him living with Zeke and seeing everything from bathroom habits to grooming. There may have been enough signs that Varner 100% knew Zeke was born a female.
or there was unaired footage of those two talking about it. Who knows maybe in one of the confessionals varner said he would out zeke to the tribe if push comes to shove. Whatever happened it worked out perfect for the producers in the edit room. :tinfoil:
zeke mumbled "i never told anyone while playing survivor" or something to that effect. i had to rewind it 3 times to understand what he said. i'm sticking to my conspiracy theory. i get it that varner may have known on his own, but it just fits too perfectly with the challenge.
Yeah it's like I somewhat know what he's feeling like but this is orders of magnitude worse. The damn thing is that as a gay guy I'm pretty sure he doesn't care if someone is a transgender. I believe him on that. This happened because of money. It ought to be a lesson to everyone.
It has all the makings of an award winning documentary. They already have the recorded interviews leading up to and immediately following the incident. Continue with regular interviews with him over the agonizing months as he counts down and dreads the airing. Add live footage of him watching the show. Finish with reactions from friends/community, outrage, and his life literally changing in front of your eyes.
I don't know about that. There's still a lot of hate in the gay community for the transgender community.
It bothered me that Verner didn't bow out on his own acord after that...he also is holding onto the "I thought he was already out" narrative that I am not sure that I believe. Susan (Ithink that's her name) had a Schochet moment where, for a minute, it was all about her and how "grown" she is now...cringy
Varner said he has been in therapy since leaving the island. He also said some of tribal council was edited out. When Jeff was talking about the deception of the secret alliance with Zeke, Ozzy, and Andrea, he said Zeke looked at him and said there was no deception, and that he wasn't deceiving anyone, and that is when the rotten stuff flowed out of Varner's mouth about Zeke being deceptive about hiding his trans. Anyway, I don't think Jeff (Varner) is a terrible person, but he is a person that did a terrible thing. I think he genuinely regrets it and is sorry for it.
I can see a woman behind that mustache, and Zeke's voice has always seemed off to me. One of my best friends is gay, and while most of her lesbian friends are lipstick lesbians, a few of the ones who aren't could look like Zeke if you put a stache on them. I'm serious. It is like nature couldn't decide whether they should be a man or woman so they look like both. Like that character Pat on SNL.
I think after it had time to sink in, he felt awful in how it played out. But I agree with you. I think he had it up his sleeve the whole episode. When he was sitting next to Zeke during his "scrambling" phase after the challenge, he said (not to Zeke, but to the camera/viewing audience) "I know something about Zeke that others don't know." Or "he's hiding something" or something to that effect. Can't remember that exact exchange. But when he revealed at TC, I remembered back to that moment. He planned to use it if he felt things weren't going to go his way at TC.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-1446479/Hannah-Shapiro-Zeke-Smith-answer-q-s-relationship.htmlNick Vermeil said:
seems pretty heavily laden with shtick
one real meal in 17 days with no sleep and physically beaten at his age?
or don't get at least 6 hours of steady sleep every night.
Nope, right there with ya. CBS is the "old fogey" network. Look up the demographics. All of their "detective" shows play to middle America and senior citizens. Perfect way for them to introduce this "new" concept.mr. furley said:
Again, if this was off the cuff not thinking clearly, then I'd agree. This was the opposite. He seemed to clearly plan this out ahead of time.one real meal in 17 days with no sleep and physically beaten at his age?
i get ####### irritated if i skip lunch
eta: maybe i'm just an #######
They eat better than they did in the first several seasons of this show. I agree people can get cranky. But Varner essentially said he had something up his sleeve and would do/say anything to stay in the game. He tried to convince the girls that Zeke threw them under the bus in his alliance with Ozzie. He felt pressure that it wasn't going to work, so he tried to bring something out that showed Zeke was, in fact, being deceitful with them. It backfired miserably on him.one real meal in 17 days with no sleep and physically beaten at his age?
i get ####### irritated if i skip lunch
eta: maybe i'm just an #######
if anything it's my biggest "complaint" about the show. doesn't seem as hard as it used to be. but maybe there's reasoning behind it. it was too tough before. even with the food they do get people are dropping tremendous amounts of weight and we've nearly seen several people die because of how badly their bodies are deteriorating.
was an insane moment, but I think if I was sitting during the deliberation all I would be thinking after it came to an end would be "#####, how do we vote this guy out now and not look like total a-holes?"
go 6 days without a real meal
I have worked with youth who have been in similar situations (none could afford the procedure, but had issues with gender identity). It hasn't been something me or my staff have really asked directly, but when I have encountered this it has been with adolescents (and one 10 year old) and they have all kind of floated near the bi-curious area.
I wish I hadn't deleted the show from DVR so I could go back, but I swear I heard Varner say something beyond the "nuclear" comment about Zeke. The camera was on Zeke but the commentary was Varner and he said something to the effect that he knew something about Zeke that others don't know... in a tone as if he was going to use that information if he had to. It wasn't a spur of the moment comment that slipped out of his mouth at TC. It was in his plans to use if he thought he needed it. He just didn't get the reaction he wanted, imo.
I don't think it was malicious intent, either. And I think he genuinely regretted what he said. His intent (in his mind) wasn't malicious... I think he just miscalculated how it would be perceived. I know he didn't purposely try to hurt Zeke.
Very interesting.
There has definitely been at least one other time where no vote was needed.. Can't recall the season, but someone posted it above.
It is interesting. Its at least a somewhat plausible explanation (listen to 4:35 - 6:30 for the gist of it).
Jeff (Varner) said the producers knew that he was questioning Zeke's gender during filming. I wonder why they didn't tell Varner that Zeke wanted to keep it private just in case something like what happened happened. Varner said it was a 2 hour tribal council that was edited to 20 minutes. He said he became completely unglued after he realized he had outed Zeke to the country. He said Mark Burnett and Jeff Probst have been supportive to him since the show. CBS has paid for some of his therapy. He said of all the people that were at tribal council that night, Sara and Debbie are the ones that have reached out to him and have been supportive. He said he will never get over what he did, and he understands if Zeke doesn't forgive him. He is glad it has started positive conversations about transgenders.
People mentioned that Ozzy didn't defend himself against Varner's accusation about Zeke and Ozzy working together. I think Ozzy did deny the claim but it just didn't make the edit of a 2 hour tribal. Varner was about to hang himself by outing Zeke anyway so the producers probably didn't think they needed to show more Ozzy.
