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Survivor Season 42: Starts Wednesday March 9, 2022 (6 Viewers)
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I don’t know about a dress rehearsal but we were talking about liking the team/split tribals a week or two ago. I’d love to see it, but not like this week (liked it for this show). I’d rather see random teams and then the losing team is up for elimination. It means stronger challenge players aren’t immediately gone and might save the bottom folks here and there. I also wouldn’t want the safe team to even be at tribal. No huddles with safe players and no guaranteed elimination of non-majority alliance people.
Heck, I’d love to see some smart non-big alliance people realize when their team has the majority to see if they throw the challenge so they can vote off a big alliance person who got unlucky.
bryhamm
Footballguy
You say this like he is supposed to know that Liana is the one who has been pushing for him to go.
bryhamm
Footballguy
I hope so. Been saying that for years. It makes it more difficult for one slightly bigger alliance to control things the whole time.
It is my understanding that that is how "they" would like to be referred to now....instead of some of the other words that are more negative.....I thought I saw that the word "queer" which used to be used in a negative way is now reborn and being used as the preferred term.....in fact I think that is why she chose that specific word when she could have said a lot of other things...
stbugs said:
I'm on the fence here about Xander and him not playing the idol for Evvie and bouncing someone else.....
he knows he could only carry Evvie for so long.....the only thing that kept her here in previous weeks, was (her winning immunity one week) and then the "threat" of Xander's idol being played for her and they had to include making a fake one and running a version of the shell game to keep her around.....I think he knew her time was numbered even tho she was an ally.....
having that idol with everybody knowing, not only keeps him in the game, but is a draw to others to work with him....flushing an idol isn't always easy....he can hang on to that bad boy for awhile.....and especially if he is able to stack a couple more immunity challange wins on top of it....there wasn't room for Evvie under his umbrella anymore.....at the end, it is always a risky play to play it for somebody else...when it can guarantee you stay around and see how the rest of the game comes to you in terms of how it affects your social play and if you are also able to stack some immunities on top of it or other advantages/idols he may be able to gather, like Nasseer's that should be back in play now....heck, Xander had another advantage a foot away under the bench already....he could really be in position A...
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and FTR....appears the papaya thing is a non issue...
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I still think it would have been in his best interest to use the idol. Not just to get it to 4-4/even 5-3 if they could actually swing Deshawn, but that he had the opportunity to get rid of Liana. Deshawn could decide to stick with Erica and Heather and now he’s part of a 3 in a 5 and has a potential path to win.
Liana is going to say Xander’s name over and over and over again. No one else in the big alliance had a beef with him. She, for some unknown reason, did and I think getting rid of the one person who was gunning for you is worth losing the idol. Yes, he’s got one more week but being up 5-3, I think flushing his idol will be easy and if Liana’s still around, his name will absolutely come up as soon as he’s not protected.
Mile High
Footballguy
Didn't he go off island in the first episode and get the extra vote?
Just looked it up he did and did get an extra vote. He hasn't used it yet as far as I can recall.
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Not Allowed In Mexico
My family was laughing so hard at this part. Must have watched it 4 times.
Otherwise, this has to be the worst season on record.
Not sure. JD had one. That’s all I recall. Liana got the steal or try to steal. I don’t remember the others.
bryhamm
Footballguy
I think it was mentioned earlier (or I read it mentioned somewhere else), but the play would have been to openly give Evie his HII and tell the other 3 ... "Evie and I are voting together. if you don't want to be surprised on who we vote out, talk to us". That would have caused chaos and could have possibly caused bad blood between the 3. Then, Evie simply doesn't play it and gives it back to Xander just before the votes are read.
bryhamm
Footballguy
Correct. He does have one and he as not used it. Only Shan used hers, just this last episode.
Mile High
Footballguy
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
bryhamm
Footballguy
rick6668
Footballguy
It was me and it was absolutely the right play to make. He doesn't even have to give it to Evie, and can keep the idol no matter what. There is absolutely no risk here with the potential for maximum reward.
this sounds easy to say....but when it is "go time" .....not as easy to implement.....the hope in doing that big scene would be to announce all that and then not have to play the idol and keep it.....but really to ensure they don't call your bluff, they would HAVE to play it....
you know if he would have made that announcement, the others would have been saying "he just said that so we don't vote that way and he wants to keep it".....they very easily could have risked it and called Xander's bluff...they saw that he was willing to go to extremes with a bluff at the fake idol tribal.....there is no guarantee he would have been able to keep the idol or have evvie give it back to him....Xander already tipped his hand that he is willing to bluff....I think bottom line, Xander knew he was going to be able to make it through two more tribals....Evvie was collateral damage, because Xander knows he is safe next tribal and the others will start eating each other as they will have to start to turn on one another....the end game is about the same....
if they would have played it the way its being mentioned and got away with it....he is probably having to "protect" her again at the next tribal all over again....time will run out on that and he can't keep doing it every tribal...
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Yeah after the past 2 weeks I have to look back at what I was thinking to have Shan up there. I think it was her theme song and the fact that she was getting into it with Ricard. Shan has definitely moved into the bottom tier now. Updated rankings below:
Rooting for to win:
- Danny (by a wide margin)
- Xander
- DeShawn (almost in the top tier but seemed a little whiny, although probably deserved for having to deal with Shan)
- Erika
- Tiffany (Bryhamm edit: Tiffany was so undeserving she was actually voted out last week
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- Ricard
- Shan
- Liana
- Heather (almost moved to undeserving but left her here)
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Xander decided...(and has shown repeatedly)... that Evvie as an ally wasn't worth losing an idol....
bryhamm
Footballguy
Corporation
Angry Bovine
rick6668
Footballguy
Corporation
Angry Bovine
And that may be the right call, although in this situation I think I would have taken the opportunity to get rid one of the power players. The fact they flaunted it like that with so many still in the game was shocking.
Xander could have even done a fake idol pass that he let someone "oversee" if he wasn't comfortable giving it up. If I was on the island I would be hard pressed to give up an idol myself.
bryhamm
Footballguy
Trying to figure out if having Evie use her shot-in-the-dark would have been worth it. If they thought they had Deshaun flipped, then I guess it would not be worth it as they would have needed Evie's vote to pick of Liana. But, if they weren't sure, they could have had her try for it. If she gets it ... golden. If she doesn't get it, then Xander would have to decide quickly whether to try and save her or not.
Leaning towards them (Xander and Evie) thinking they had Deshaun flipped and didn't need to risk anything.
Makes me wonder if the 3 of them (Deshaun, Liana and Danny) all talked together about possibly flipping in order to make them (Xander and Evie) feel comfortable with the goal of Xander not playing his idol for Evie.
Leaning towards them (Xander and Evie) thinking they had Deshaun flipped and didn't need to risk anything.
Makes me wonder if the 3 of them (Deshaun, Liana and Danny) all talked together about possibly flipping in order to make them (Xander and Evie) feel comfortable with the goal of Xander not playing his idol for Evie.
rick6668
Footballguy
I don't think you need a big scene at tribal. Back at camp when everyone is around, announce that he is going to give the idol to Evie after the votes are read and they will both be immune. Do you want to work with us to get someone out or do you want to leave it to chance? This would have caused chaos at camp. Better yet, tell them whomever doesn't want to work with us, we are going to vote out.
if the goal was to keep the idol AND keep Evvie....(which would be the point of making that announcement sometime after after he won immunity)....then the risk of not giving it to Evvie to play and them calling your bluff and still voting for Evvie....would be the risk...
early it was mentioned the scene would be right after he won immunity.....not at tribal....and I was responding along those lines....yeah you want them to freak out at camp....I'm just saying if they call your bluff Evvie goes home and if the goal (which it obviously wasn't to Xander) was to keep the idol and have Evvie be safe....there was risk in not playing the idol in that scenario...
I don't have a problem with him cutting loose Evvie and passing on a chance to take one of them out....think it was the right play....he still has an idol and I think an extra vote.....there was zero reason for him to go for a big move right there IMO....
That’s the ideal scenario but Deshawn and Danny being safe might just keep voting for Evvie anyway. Xander used a fake idol so might be a big risk rather than just saving Evvie and guaranteeing Liana goes home. Liana is gunning for Xander, get her off now.
bryhamm
Footballguy
Well for ####s sake, Xander really screwed the pooch. In one one tribal, he had the chance to:
1. Send home the only person who said vote Xander every time.
2. Knock 2 of the 6 (Naseer was #6, not in the top 5, but in the big group) in the big alliance out.
3. Get his group of 4 to go against the now 4 people alliance because he has an extra vote.
4. Get Deshawn on his and Evvie’s side so they have a 5 to get rid of Danny, Shan and Ricard and then boot Deshawn to pull Heather into the final.
5. Win a million.
I forgot about that extra vote because you’d control the 4-4 tribal or any tribal if you are on the losing side.
He doesn’t? She tried to con him out of his idol. Deshawn and Danny didn’t. He even said it’s clear she’s gunning for him when she tried to take his idol (twice now). He already knew she flopped when Tiffany went out. I’m pretty sure it’s clear to him since he worked with Tiffany and Evvie to plot against her.
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Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
I was visiting my sister in rural Virginia this past week and their Dish company isn't broadcasting CBS right now (due to some falling out) so they can't watch this season.
I told them that they should call their Dish company and thank them profusely!
I told them that they should call their Dish company and thank them profusely!
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Xander could have saved Evvie without using his idol -- if he used his extra vote.
Vote 1: Deshawn, Danny and Liana vote Evvie, Evvie and Xander x2 vote Liana. 3-3 tie.
Vote 2: Argue that behooves Deshawn or Danny to flip because Evvie and Xander are fine with forcing a rock draw.
Likely one (probably Deshawn) does. If neither flips and vote 2 is tied (Deshawn and Danny vote Evvie, Xander votes Liana x2; extra votes can be used on revotes and we just saw it happen with Shan), argue that it behooves Deshawn AND Danny to flip, as a unanimous vote is required to avoid a rock draw and Evvie and Xander have no reason to change their vote.
If it goes to rocks, Evvie and Liana are immune because they were the original targets and Xander is immune because he has the immunity necklace. One of Danny or Deshawn goes home.
All of this, plus other points that have been made in this thread and elsewhere, lead me to believe that Xander wasn't really interested in saving Evvie. Why, I have no idea.
Vote 1: Deshawn, Danny and Liana vote Evvie, Evvie and Xander x2 vote Liana. 3-3 tie.
Vote 2: Argue that behooves Deshawn or Danny to flip because Evvie and Xander are fine with forcing a rock draw.
Likely one (probably Deshawn) does. If neither flips and vote 2 is tied (Deshawn and Danny vote Evvie, Xander votes Liana x2; extra votes can be used on revotes and we just saw it happen with Shan), argue that it behooves Deshawn AND Danny to flip, as a unanimous vote is required to avoid a rock draw and Evvie and Xander have no reason to change their vote.
If it goes to rocks, Evvie and Liana are immune because they were the original targets and Xander is immune because he has the immunity necklace. One of Danny or Deshawn goes home.
All of this, plus other points that have been made in this thread and elsewhere, lead me to believe that Xander wasn't really interested in saving Evvie. Why, I have no idea.
bolded....uhhhhhhhh....because you get to move on... and weak allies like evvie that you have been carrying all along are only good for so long...... and you get to keep both of your advantages in your pocket,.....and maybe acquire more.....the extra vote is almost like an idol.... Xander could very well find the idol left by Nasseer leaving and/or win other immunities....and become a unbeatable force.....there was no reason for him to try and make a "big move" right now.....now was not the time....let evvie go....using his ammo now to save evvie who wasn't going to help him win in the end anyway makes no sense....he is better off keeping his ammo, possibly building on it and hanging around while the rest pick each other off while trying to use him....he has a lot of control right now compared to others....who else has anything left really...
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An extra vote is meaningless if you are the number 1 target (with Liana in the game he is) and you are currently down 2 votes. I think he said he liked Malcom’s game but Malcolm never won. Losing a potential every week ally vote in Evvie and leaving in play an every week enemy vote is way worse than losing you single play extra vote. With the top 5/6 losing 2 people in one week, he had a 4-4 which meant he doesn’t have to have immunity every week until the final 3. Now, he does and he better play his idol.
Also, maybe he didn’t really want to save Evvie at the time but since Deshawn didn’t vote with him, he’s probably regretting it now as the potential 5 he thought he had is now 3.
@Pip's Invitation That’s a great scenario and I think Deshawn flips otherwise he’s got a 50% chance of going home. Xander doesn’t have to use his HII just the extra vote and to be honest probably pulls Deshawn into the group of 4.
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
He would be even if Liana was gone. He's not in the power alliance, everyone knows he has an idol, and he's a threat to win immunity at every challenge.
mr. furley
Footballguy
How about Liana trying to play the Shan jedi-mind trick on Xander? "If you'd give me your idol you'd earn my trust... I won't play it tonight, just to hold so I can trust you."JD would have fallen for it.
when he told her he'd give it to someone else in that scenario, but not her and then smiled i was rolling
mr. furley
Footballguy
right, he mentioned it as a strength of his in this game because he has learned to read body language and lips from a distance so well.
people can't even whisper around him.
mr. furley
Footballguy
That was one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time. The look on his face when he missed was priceless.
bryhamm
Footballguy
This would have been great. Keeps Evie AND the idol. Would be worth it to use the extra vote. The extra vote is perfect to either break a tie, or force a tie. This was a great spot for that.
Runkle
Footballguy
Shan used her extra vote on the first vote, not the revote, in order to force the re-vote. (I think it was some kind of galaxy-brained overthinking in case Naseer played his idol, and everyone else lied to her, in order to force at least one other person to receive votes so that there was a re-vote between either Heather and Naseer or Heather and Shan. In the re-vote, Shan only voted once and Naseer got voted out 4-0.)
We don't know the rules on using the extra vote at the re-vote, if not using it at the first vote. According to the Survivor Wiki,
We don't know if the same language "extend through a tie and revote" still is on the parchment in later seasons.
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It is, per exit interviews. And we just saw Shan use it.Runkle said:
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
interesting. I thought all advantages stopped after the first vote. Never realized they ever extended into revote.
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