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SUV shopping - looking for ideas where to start... (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Long winded post incoming.
I started out looking at hybrids, with Toyota as the front runner. I’ve always been interested in EVs, but always thought they were way too much. It turns out that after the $7500 rebate, gas savings, brakes, general in-the-shop savings, it’s a very affordable vehicle. On top of that, I know several people who’ve had their catalytic converter stolen in the last year. One guy was done twice!
Anyway, I decided to look for an EV crossover/SUV. Hyundai piqued my interest, but is only available in a few states (not mine). I then stumbled upon the ID4 in my research, and after some napkin math and reading/watching reviews, I bought the ID4 Pro.
it’s much quicker than any previous vehicle I’ve owned. By a lot. It’s not Tesla quick, but I’m not into racing from lights and all that anymore. It’s super quiet. There is so little road noise, it’s eerie. The drive is smooth and tight. Unlike my Dodge Grand Caravan I traded in, which drove like a loud bumpy milk truck.
I average 3.4 miles per KWh - which a single KWh costs $.067 at home, on the separate circuit for my EV overnight. Doing the math, you can determine cost over time and all that. The level 2 charger in my garage is 40 watts and chargers the car at a pace of about 30 miles every hour. At 80% charge (all EVs recommend not charging above 80, except for road trips) I get about 240 miles of range. Maybe 270 on a full charge - I haven’t done that yet.
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Big League Chew
Footballguy
That Jaguar f-pace svr . Supercharged V8 550 hp AWD
show the soccer moms who’s bout it bout it
show the soccer moms who’s bout it bout it
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Appreciate the feedback. I hadn't realized VW had an electric SUV until I saw a commercial lately
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metoo
Footballguy
Hyundai and Kia are making some great looking SUVs. I love the Genesis GV line.
belljr
Footballguy
So my 2009 traverse only has 130k miles on it but needs like 7k in repairs. So I told them no thanks. We been talking about a new car but didn't want to buy in this environment. Anyway, I stumbled onto a 2019 Honda passport (elite), with 8k miles. Got a pretty good deal on it for the market. Absolutely love the thing.
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Footballguy
I took the kids to check out the 22 highlander which both my wife and I like. 3rd row is not sufficient for long rides. As long as we have more than 3 kids with us, it isn’t going to cut it for more than short trips. I think the pilot is bigger in the 3rd row, I’ve actually been okay in the 3rd row for short trips with the boss before COVID hit. But wife really doesn’t like the pilot 
how is the Hyundai palisade and Kia telluride? They look bigger And pretty sharp, but we’re fans of Honda and Toyota. (I’d take a Tesla but not great for kids). Is there a significant difference in quality and longevity? This vehicle would have to last at least a decade without issues (understand things happen but on average).
how is the Hyundai palisade and Kia telluride? They look bigger And pretty sharp, but we’re fans of Honda and Toyota. (I’d take a Tesla but not great for kids). Is there a significant difference in quality and longevity? This vehicle would have to last at least a decade without issues (understand things happen but on average).
gianmarco
Footballguy
MTskibum
Footballguy
I took the kids to check out the 22 highlander which both my wife and I like. 3rd row is not sufficient for long rides. As long as we have more than 3 kids with us, it isn’t going to cut it for more than short trips. I think the pilot is bigger in the 3rd row, I’ve actually been okay in the 3rd row for short trips with the boss before COVID hit. But wife really doesn’t like the pilot
how is the Hyundai palisade and Kia telluride? They look bigger And pretty sharp, but we’re fans of Honda and Toyota. (I’d take a Tesla but not great for kids). Is there a significant difference in quality and longevity? This vehicle would have to last at least a decade without issues (understand things happen but on average).
3rd Row legroom
Kia Telluride - 31.4
Hyundai Palisade - 31.4
Honda Pilot 31.9
Toyota Highlander 27.7
As far as reliability the Highlander is the cream of the crop, however both the Kia and the Hyundai will be as reliable on average as the Honda Pilot.
belljr
Footballguy
Check out traverse for 3rd row vehicleI took the kids to check out the 22 highlander which both my wife and I like. 3rd row is not sufficient for long rides. As long as we have more than 3 kids with us, it isn’t going to cut it for more than short trips. I think the pilot is bigger in the 3rd row, I’ve actually been okay in the 3rd row for short trips with the boss before COVID hit. But wife really doesn’t like the pilot
how is the Hyundai palisade and Kia telluride? They look bigger And pretty sharp, but we’re fans of Honda and Toyota. (I’d take a Tesla but not great for kids). Is there a significant difference in quality and longevity? This vehicle would have to last at least a decade without issues (understand things happen but on average).
nirad3
Footballguy
I don't know the specs but my Kia Sorento has decent room in the 3rd row, at least for a kid. My 11 and/or 9 year olds love riding back there. It even has it's own a/c vent that's turned on/off up front so you're not wasting air going back there if no one's sitting there.
So far (about a year-plus in) I love my Kia, although I have a "service required" light that's on, which is likely due to my dealer not resetting the computer after my first oil change. My local dealership is SO backed up, I can't get a call back to bring it in. That's the only negative so far.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Ridiculous amount of room in the Palisade. As I just mentioned, we got ours about 3 weeks ago. Was showing a friend how much room there is (especially in the 2nd row). I'm 6'2. He's 6'5. His brother is 6'6. Brother got it the driver's seat. He got into the 2nd row. I got into the 3rd row. Brother was in normal driving position. None of our knees were touching. They were shocked.I took the kids to check out the 22 highlander which both my wife and I like. 3rd row is not sufficient for long rides. As long as we have more than 3 kids with us, it isn’t going to cut it for more than short trips. I think the pilot is bigger in the 3rd row, I’ve actually been okay in the 3rd row for short trips with the boss before COVID hit. But wife really doesn’t like the pilot
how is the Hyundai palisade and Kia telluride? They look bigger And pretty sharp, but we’re fans of Honda and Toyota. (I’d take a Tesla but not great for kids). Is there a significant difference in quality and longevity? This vehicle would have to last at least a decade without issues (understand things happen but on average).
We have captain's chairs in the 2nd row and it's just really well done inside and out.
I've never had a Hyundai before, but with a 10 year/100,000 mile warranty, I think it would fit your bill.
The biggest thing will be getting your hands on one. Most dealers are charging crazy markup on MSRP. If you order one, then you can likely avoid that but you'll have to wait.
We got the Traverse back in May. Absolutely love it. I think its the longest of the vehicles I've seen listed here (204 inches), unless you want to go really big like a Tahoe or something.
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Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
I bought ours in 2009 and loved it. As I mentioned above it needs some repairs that I didn't think was worth it Couldn't find a new one without jacked up prices. How we ended up a passport. Which we love. We also don't need a third row anymore
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Footballguy
Yeah, that’s the thing. We LOVE our 07 highlander. Really just need to figure out if we’re going to travel with 4 or more kids. Might just wait a couple years.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Nope, but the same could be said even if there was spacious room. I mean, I fit back there, and even for a couple hours it would be fine. I also think a smaller adult would have no issues whatsoever.
But, just go to a local Hyundai dealer and get inside one to see.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
My wife still loves her 2010. We can afford a new truck but she says there’s no need. It’s been a great cartruck. Lol, she even had some other newer edge owner compliment her last summer- said something about ours being bigger or something.
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Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
I’m trying to convince my wife to buy a new Bronco full size for her. Since we’re in no rush (see above post) we can wait- are these things even available?
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I mentioned we recently bought a 2021 Traverse and love it. I'm thinking about replacing my car and looking at electric SUVs. I could trade my car in for almost what I paid for it 6 years ago and most electric SUVs are new to the market, so it's not like you would get those for less than MSRP in a non-covid world.
Probably wouldn't go Tesla Model Y. Really digging the Ford Mach-E. Hyundai has a new Ioniq 5 hitting the market this year, but I don't love the front. Anybody looked into the electric options hitting the market?
Probably wouldn't go Tesla Model Y. Really digging the Ford Mach-E. Hyundai has a new Ioniq 5 hitting the market this year, but I don't love the front. Anybody looked into the electric options hitting the market?
I was talking to a dealer about the Mach-E today. He said the Bronco and Mach-E are basically made to order and that nobody has inventory.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
I am getting bombarded with emails. I could sell my truck and pocket almost $10k. It’s a 2017 with only 26k miles. I really like my truck but I don’t need it so I’m starting to consider it.
cosjobs
Footballguy
Its just my wife and dogs, so I was in the market for a plug-in Santa Fe. But the closest one I could find was in Mass (I'm in Austin). I found a Genesis G80 Sport that CarMax has mispriced by over $5000 and I couldn't buy it fast enough. I also came out ahead about 8k trading in my six month old Pacifica plug-in.
If there's still a 7500 tax credit on the Santa Fe plugs-in when they come to Texas, I may trade in on that.
If there's still a 7500 tax credit on the Santa Fe plugs-in when they come to Texas, I may trade in on that.
cosjobs
Footballguy
CarMax offered me the most: 2000-6000 than anyone else. Plus I found something I wanted to buy from them, so trading it in wiped out 2000 in sales tax. I had to go all the way to LV (on their website) to find exactly what I wanted, but it was a hugely positive experience.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Unless my cars break down I’m sitting tight out of principle. Refuse to be raped. Friend of mine liked a car. Said $5K surcharge on sticker. He wrote a check for the initial $50K and guy walks back in and says “sorry - it’s actually $35K over sticker” Friend ripped up the check and told them to #### off. Can’t wait till supply and demand is turned around. I’ll be brutal with them
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
We’ve purchased 4 cars from them over the years and we’ve been extremely happy every time. It’s almost worth it alone just so I don’t have to deal with a car salesman and his/her manager.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
Ive been looking for a 72 Datsun 240Z to restore. I think I’ll take my truck to car max this week.
cosjobs
Footballguy
no kidding. Be sure to look ouy of your area for what you want. I saved a ton buying in the LV market. It got here in 4-5 days
beer 30
Footballguy
Guy at our Ford dealership said they are a year out if we wanted one. Guessing you could find one if you put in some time.
beer 30
Footballguy
To me, capitalism. Dealers are in the drivers seat for the first time in my memories. They are capitalizing on it. They also know this is finite so trying to get as much as they can while they can.
Label it whatever you want, I think it's wrong. The only reason dealerships can get away with it is that some dumb laws prevent people from buying direct from the manufacturer. Even if you do a custom order, you still have to actually purchase from a dealer and some of them are unscrupulous enough to try to add a markup even then. But for me, I just look at it as it's an easy way to tell which dealerships I don't want to do business with.
beer 30
Footballguy
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
We orders Mach E back in July and took delivery in early November. I'm not much of a crossover/SUV small car guy but I really like it. We test drove it and a Tesla Y before ordering and the Mach E was the clear winner for us. The software and tech stack are probably better in the Tesla but the Mach E is a much better and higher quality car for us.
During natural disasters such as hurricanes, a state of emergency is declared and price gouging laws come into play.
Would supply chain issues caused by the pandemic qualify for a state of emergency? Is Costco charging more for toilet paper?
>>Florida Statute 501.160 and 501.205 state that during a state of emergency it is illegal to charge unconscionable prices for goods or services following a declared state of emergency. ... If there is a large difference between the prior price and the current charge, it is considered price gouging.<<
Nugget
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
Doubt it because it applies globally so everyone absorbs the addition costs. For instance container freight was running $5-$8k per container prior to pandemic. Now they run anywhere between $15-$30k. That's a massive increase in cost of goods but there's no way around it so the cost gets passed along to the consumer and we all take a bite of the #### sandwich. Some things just are what they are.
Are their instances of companies piling on top of this? Absolutely. You also have to consider the prior two years though when passing judgement. Those same companies suffered through some very unexpected downturns and managed to remain open. They're getting a little back now and yea it sucks but I don't begrudge the capitalist making a profit. In some of the examples above, that's clearly price gouging and I wouldn't do business with those folks. However, if their surcharges are in line with everyone else, you shouldn't begrudge them trying to make a buck when it's in line with what everyone else is doing.
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simsarge
Footballguy
If you're kicking around different makes and models, rather than spend the time, effort and frustration of going dealer to dealer, it's getting to be AutoShow season (at least here). Easiest and best way to narrow down designs and does-it-fit questions in a few hours time. Plus maybe see some cool concept hooptys in the process
Sitting on a 2014 Durango that has been an amazing vehicle. But I also feel like I am playing with fire.
Been looking at the Jeep Grand L, Explorer and Telluride and Sorrento. Wife doesn't care for the Kia's, but boy I do.
Also have 0% for 72 months on Durango's, but not sure I want one since the style hasn't really changed.
Been looking at the Jeep Grand L, Explorer and Telluride and Sorrento. Wife doesn't care for the Kia's, but boy I do.
Also have 0% for 72 months on Durango's, but not sure I want one since the style hasn't really changed.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
Right, it works both ways. When demand slows they drop prices and we benefit. The key is voting with your wallet. Ive been putting off building a detached garage until lumber prices go down (further).Doubt it because it applies globally so everyone absorbs the addition costs. For instance container freight was running $5-$8k per container prior to pandemic. Now they run anywhere between $15-$30k. That's a massive increase in cost of goods but there's no way around it so the cost gets passed along to the consumer and we all take a bite of the #### sandwich. Some things just are what they are.
Are their instances of companies piling on top of this? Absolutely. You also have to consider the prior two years though when passing judgement. Those same companies suffered through some very unexpected downturns and managed to remain open. They're getting a little back now and yea it sucks but I don't begrudge the capitalist making a profit. In some of the examples above, that's clearly price gouging and I wouldn't do business with those folks. However, if their surcharges are in line with everyone else, you shouldn't begrudge them trying to make a buck when it's in line with what everyone else is doing.
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Maybe it’s just me and we got lucky buying my wife’s new Jeep before last Christmas, but I’m amazed at how many people are buying new and used cars at high markups. I can see people who have to buy one, but man it just seems like people don’t seem to care about their money. Maybe I’m old school but I don’t want to pay $30 for not hot Chick-fil-A just so I don’t have to drive a few minutes or let OpenDoor make tens of thousands flipping my house because an open house was a hassle. It’s amazing to me so many companies’ billion dollar revenue streams are literally from our laziness. It’s no wonder that the average retirement savings for folks in the 40-60 range is $120-210k range while 50% of them drive around in $50-70k trucks, SUVs and luxury sedans.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
I think it’s because people who have money have money and DGAF. The people who don’t aren’t buying but companies aren’t feeling its impact because the supply is so low.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
My sister just sold her 2019 Ford Edge she had for almost 3 years to Carvana for just $1500.00 less that she paid for it. 36K miles
Drove a new vehicle for 3 years for around 40 bucks a month.
Drove a new vehicle for 3 years for around 40 bucks a month.
beer 30
Footballguy
Just went through a similar thing last year with my brothers jeep. He passed so I had to clean up his estate, he had owned the jeep for about 8 months, way over paid for it, IMO so I thought I was going to take about $5k bath on it trying to get rid of it. Sold it through VROOM for about $600 less than what he owed.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
We did a lot of research and really want a Kia Telluride, but the prices are just ridiculous. I am looking to retire here in the next 12-18 months and the last thing i want is a $700 car payment. We were going to trade my Veloster and Tahoe in on it, but I think I may just hang on to them and wait for this wave to pass.
Not necessarily. With used car prices the way they are, it's kind of a push. Maybe I am spending more on a new car, but I am also selling my used car for far more than I could have.
