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Tannehill was top 10 last year. He's top 6 or 7 this year.
I don't think it's quite that simple. Last year it was a virtual coin flip between QB 8-11. Using FBG standard scoring (which I sadly cannot remember what that is), Tannehill ranked 9th. Guys behind him that I can see passing him this year: Brady, Newton, Rivers, Romo, and Stafford. A lot of those guys are almost interchangeable. There is nothing etched in stone that Tannehill will do better than last year, and those other guys certainly can do better.Tannehill was top 10 last year. He's top 6 or 7 this year.
It definitely isn't that simple, but just to be the devil's advocate here... guys above Tannehill that could easily drop:Anarchy99 said:I don't think it's quite that simple. Last year it was a virtual coin flip between QB 8-11. Using FBG standard scoring (which I sadly cannot remember what that is), Tannehill ranked 9th. Guys behind him that I can see passing him this year: Brady, Newton, Rivers, Romo, and Stafford. A lot of those guys are almost interchangeable. There is nothing etched in stone that Tannehill will do better than last year, and those other guys certainly can do better.Sabertooth said:Tannehill was top 10 last year. He's top 6 or 7 this year.
Yeah, I agree with that. It's a crap shoot. But Tannehill has improved each year. I think the addition of a true #1 in Parker, plus the maturation of Landry is going to make him Aaron Rodgers lite. He attempted 30 passes in all but one game last season and that was against the hapless Jags.Anarchy99 said:I don't think it's quite that simple. Last year it was a virtual coin flip between QB 8-11. Using FBG standard scoring (which I sadly cannot remember what that is), Tannehill ranked 9th. Guys behind him that I can see passing him this year: Brady, Newton, Rivers, Romo, and Stafford. A lot of those guys are almost interchangeable. There is nothing etched in stone that Tannehill will do better than last year, and those other guys certainly can do better.Sabertooth said:Tannehill was top 10 last year. He's top 6 or 7 this year.
After being out at camp a lot I see a real difference this year. More than any previous camp.Yeah, I agree with that. It's a crap shoot. But Tannehill has improved each year. I think the addition of a true #1 in Parker, plus the maturation of Landry is going to make him Aaron Rodgers lite. He attempted 30 passes in all but one game last season and that was against the hapless Jags.Anarchy99 said:I don't think it's quite that simple. Last year it was a virtual coin flip between QB 8-11. Using FBG standard scoring (which I sadly cannot remember what that is), Tannehill ranked 9th. Guys behind him that I can see passing him this year: Brady, Newton, Rivers, Romo, and Stafford. A lot of those guys are almost interchangeable. There is nothing etched in stone that Tannehill will do better than last year, and those other guys certainly can do better.Sabertooth said:Tannehill was top 10 last year. He's top 6 or 7 this year.
Correct-ish. He was a QB in High School but spent all but his half his junior year and the entirety of his senior year at A&M at WR.Remeber this is only his what 5th year of playing QB? He was a wideout in college if I recall correctly until his final season.
Yup ... I agree with your point completely. The guy has done nothing but improve at QB every single season he's played the position in college and the pros. He's in the 2nd year under his current OC and they just continue to surround him with weapon upgrades. I'm a big fan of Tannehill.I just remembered everyone stating he was an extremely high upside, raw talent at QB.
yeah, I'm starting to regret trading him for Flacco and a 2016 1st (probably 1.07-1.10).I am so glad I didn't ever hop off the Tannehill hype train! Held him in 2 dynastys as a backup for 2 years now! If you consider dynasty like a stock market, he is a slower return stock, bot hopefully he will start to pay out massive dividends!!
The Dolphins' official website said Ryan Tannehill has completed more deep passes in this year's training camp than the "previous three training camps combined."
The last part is likely hyperbole, but reports out of camp have consistently said Tannehill's deep ball looks better this year. Tannehill completed just 9-of-42 passes 21 yards or longer last season, but his improvement along with the acquisition of super-efficient WR Kenny Stills should allow the Dolphins to be more effective down the field this season.
Source: dolphins.com
Aug 25 - 1:41 PM
In a start 1 QB league that's a fantastic deal for you. Flacco could very well have the better season anyway.yeah, I'm starting to regret trading him for Flacco and a 2016 1st (probably 1.07-1.10).I am so glad I didn't ever hop off the Tannehill hype train! Held him in 2 dynastys as a backup for 2 years now! If you consider dynasty like a stock market, he is a slower return stock, bot hopefully he will start to pay out massive dividends!!
That makes a better QB fall. Don't be upset.Have been very bullish about Tannehill this year, he's got the most weapons he's ever had. Was targeting him, but of course, some new guy that joined our league took him in round 4 as like the 3rd QB off the board. Undone by the clueless guy lol
Flacco has less to throw to than Tannehill does. The only proven receiver or tight end in BAL is SSmith. That doesn't mean Flacco will do poorly, but I expect him to not be on the same page with everyone for a good part of the season.In a start 1 QB league that's a fantastic deal for you. Flacco could very well have the better season anyway.yeah, I'm starting to regret trading him for Flacco and a 2016 1st (probably 1.07-1.10).I am so glad I didn't ever hop off the Tannehill hype train! Held him in 2 dynastys as a backup for 2 years now! If you consider dynasty like a stock market, he is a slower return stock, bot hopefully he will start to pay out massive dividends!!
That is crazy talk.In a start 1 QB league that's a fantastic deal for you. Flacco could very well have the better season anyway.yeah, I'm starting to regret trading him for Flacco and a 2016 1st (probably 1.07-1.10).I am so glad I didn't ever hop off the Tannehill hype train! Held him in 2 dynastys as a backup for 2 years now! If you consider dynasty like a stock market, he is a slower return stock, bot hopefully he will start to pay out massive dividends!!
They were within 8 points of each other last season (which is .5 points per game). Completely crazy talk.That is crazy talk.In a start 1 QB league that's a fantastic deal for you. Flacco could very well have the better season anyway.yeah, I'm starting to regret trading him for Flacco and a 2016 1st (probably 1.07-1.10).I am so glad I didn't ever hop off the Tannehill hype train! Held him in 2 dynastys as a backup for 2 years now! If you consider dynasty like a stock market, he is a slower return stock, bot hopefully he will start to pay out massive dividends!!
Oh, he could have the better season. But I sure wouldn't bet on it.They were within 8 points of each other last season (which is .5 points per game). Completely crazy talk.That is crazy talk.In a start 1 QB league that's a fantastic deal for you. Flacco could very well have the better season anyway.yeah, I'm starting to regret trading him for Flacco and a 2016 1st (probably 1.07-1.10).I am so glad I didn't ever hop off the Tannehill hype train! Held him in 2 dynastys as a backup for 2 years now! If you consider dynasty like a stock market, he is a slower return stock, bot hopefully he will start to pay out massive dividends!!
Well, I wouldn't either. In a vacuum I take Tannehill, but add a first round pick to the mix and I'll take Flacco. I really wouldn't want either to be more than my backup QB in a dynasty anyway.Oh, he could have the better season. But I sure wouldn't bet on it.
Except I don't see the Ravens having receiving options like Marshall, Jeffery, or Bennett like the Bears did.Well, I wouldn't either. In a vacuum I take Tannehill, but add a first round pick to the mix and I'll take Flacco. I really wouldn't want either to be more than my backup QB in a dynasty anyway.Oh, he could have the better season. But I sure wouldn't bet on it.
I see the argument against Flacco as his lack of weapons, but chalk me up as one that thinks Tannehill's weapons are vastly over-rated. Jarvis Landry imo is the most over-rated player on these message boards. Stills is a one trick pony (that Tannehill is incapable of taking advantage of), Jennings has been in decline, Parker has seen as much time so far in camp as Perriman (and I rate them evenly anyway) and his TE is a career underachiever.
I think Steve Smith, even at his advanced age is the best weapon either QB has and I think guys like Aiken, Maxx Williams, Brown, Gilmore will all be adequate.\
Add in a pass happy OC in Testman that made Cutler and McCown put up stats and frankly I just don't see much of a difference, certainly it wouldn't be crazy if two QBs that were separated by 8 total points on the season flipped places this season.
Yeah I'm not really saying that he does, just that he has a pass first OC now. Perhaps I like his weapons a bit better than some as well.Except I don't see the Ravens having receiving options like Marshall, Jeffery, or Bennett like the Bears did.
Flacco also has excellent protection up front, whereas Tannehill's is potentially a bona fide disaster. God help him if Branden Albert misses any games this season - and he often does.Yeah I'm not really saying that he does, just that he has a pass first OC now. Perhaps I like his weapons a bit better than some as well.Except I don't see the Ravens having receiving options like Marshall, Jeffery, or Bennett like the Bears did.
Bottom line is I'm not making any bold statement that I think Flacco is going to be a top 5 or even a top 10 QB. My only point is that I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes ahead of another fantasy backup level (imo) QB, a QB he finished in a virtual tie with last season.
I keep seeing this Trestman talk, but as I've said before (maybe in a Flacco thread), Kubiak is as much of a QB whisperer as Trestman. Losing Kubiak and gaining Trestman is at best a lateral move.Well, I wouldn't either. In a vacuum I take Tannehill, but add a first round pick to the mix and I'll take Flacco. I really wouldn't want either to be more than my backup QB in a dynasty anyway.Oh, he could have the better season. But I sure wouldn't bet on it.
I see the argument against Flacco as his lack of weapons, but chalk me up as one that thinks Tannehill's weapons are vastly over-rated. Jarvis Landry imo is the most over-rated player on these message boards. Stills is a one trick pony (that Tannehill is incapable of taking advantage of), Jennings has been in decline, Parker has seen as much time so far in camp as Perriman (and I rate them evenly anyway) and his TE is a career underachiever.
I think Steve Smith, even at his advanced age is the best weapon either QB has and I think guys like Aiken, Maxx Williams, Brown, Gilmore will all be adequate.\
Add in a pass happy OC in Testman that made Cutler and McCown put up stats and frankly I just don't see much of a difference, certainly it wouldn't be crazy if two QBs that were separated by 8 total points on the season flipped places this season.
Um, what? Albert missed half the season last year and Tannehill finished QB8.Flacco also has excellent protection up front, whereas Tannehill's is potentially a bona fide disaster. God help him if Branden Albert misses any games this season - and he often does.Yeah I'm not really saying that he does, just that he has a pass first OC now. Perhaps I like his weapons a bit better than some as well.Except I don't see the Ravens having receiving options like Marshall, Jeffery, or Bennett like the Bears did.
Bottom line is I'm not making any bold statement that I think Flacco is going to be a top 5 or even a top 10 QB. My only point is that I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes ahead of another fantasy backup level (imo) QB, a QB he finished in a virtual tie with last season.
Thats true. I am a fins fan, so I hope you have this nailed. I am trying to be realistic though.I keep seeing this Trestman talk, but as I've said before (maybe in a Flacco thread), Kubiak is as much of a QB whisperer as Trestman. Losing Kubiak and gaining Trestman is at best a lateral move.Well, I wouldn't either. In a vacuum I take Tannehill, but add a first round pick to the mix and I'll take Flacco. I really wouldn't want either to be more than my backup QB in a dynasty anyway.Oh, he could have the better season. But I sure wouldn't bet on it.
I see the argument against Flacco as his lack of weapons, but chalk me up as one that thinks Tannehill's weapons are vastly over-rated. Jarvis Landry imo is the most over-rated player on these message boards. Stills is a one trick pony (that Tannehill is incapable of taking advantage of), Jennings has been in decline, Parker has seen as much time so far in camp as Perriman (and I rate them evenly anyway) and his TE is a career underachiever.
I think Steve Smith, even at his advanced age is the best weapon either QB has and I think guys like Aiken, Maxx Williams, Brown, Gilmore will all be adequate.\
Add in a pass happy OC in Testman that made Cutler and McCown put up stats and frankly I just don't see much of a difference, certainly it wouldn't be crazy if two QBs that were separated by 8 total points on the season flipped places this season.
Anyway, by most scoring systems Tannehill outscored Flacco by about 6% last year. Tannehill is getting back his LT and gaining several weapons in the passing game (+Jennings +Cameron +Stills -Wallace -Clay). But what people seem to be overlooking is that this will be his second year in the system while Flacco will be learning a new system and losing weapons without really gaining any known commodities (rookie WR with the dropsies and a rookie TE who will start the year on the bench).
So I maintain my stance that Flacco outscoring Tannehill this year is crazy talk.
Um, what? Albert missed half the season last year and Tannehill finished QB8.Flacco also has excellent protection up front, whereas Tannehill's is potentially a bona fide disaster. God help him if Branden Albert misses any games this season - and he often does.Yeah I'm not really saying that he does, just that he has a pass first OC now. Perhaps I like his weapons a bit better than some as well.Except I don't see the Ravens having receiving options like Marshall, Jeffery, or Bennett like the Bears did.
Bottom line is I'm not making any bold statement that I think Flacco is going to be a top 5 or even a top 10 QB. My only point is that I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes ahead of another fantasy backup level (imo) QB, a QB he finished in a virtual tie with last season.
If Tannehill is going to be Top 5, then MIA receiving targets are WAY undervalued. Who is going to get all this production? Parker is a rookie that has barely practiced and is still dinged. Jennings didn't come close to what he produced in GB while in MIN. Landry got a lot of targets because there weren't great options last year. Stills did ok in NOS but Brees throws the ball 650+ times a year. Matthews has been a role player. And Cameron has struggled to stay on the field.Top 5
You have to factor Tanne's legs in his production but your point is a good one.If Tannehill is going to be Top 5, then MIA receiving targets are WAY undervalued. Who is going to get all this production? Parker is a rookie that has barely practiced and is still dinged. Jennings didn't come close to what he produced in GB while in MIN. Landry got a lot of targets because there weren't great options last year. Stills did ok in NOS but Brees throws the ball 650+ times a year. Matthews has been a role player. And Cameron has struggled to stay on the field.Roethlisberger went for 4952/32 last year.and ranked 6th. Someone please show me who gets all the production for Tannehill to do better than that to rank Top 5.Top 5
He was top 9 last season. Only 30 points off the top 5. Devante Parker is unlike anything he's ever had.If Tannehill is going to be Top 5, then MIA receiving targets are WAY undervalued. Who is going to get all this production? Parker is a rookie that has barely practiced and is still dinged. Jennings didn't come close to what he produced in GB while in MIN. Landry got a lot of targets because there weren't great options last year. Stills did ok in NOS but Brees throws the ball 650+ times a year. Matthews has been a role player. And Cameron has struggled to stay on the field.Roethlisberger went for 4952/32 last year.and ranked 6th. Someone please show me who gets all the production for Tannehill to do better than that to rank Top 5.Top 5
I am trying to agree with you, because if Tannehill does produce at the level you suggest he will perform at we are collectively missing the mark on projections for the guys catching the football.So to convince you to believe my made up numbers that you disagree with, you want me to make up numbers for other guys that you will disagree with? Why would I do that?
That was me. So, if I understand what yore sayings above is that anything could happen?I am trying to agree with you, because if Tannehill does produce at the level you suggest he will perform at we are collectively missing the mark on projections for the guys catching the football.And for whomever added a little production here and there and then lowered Peyton and Brees down the rankings, it works the other way too.So to convince you to believe my made up numbers that you disagree with, you want me to make up numbers for other guys that you will disagree with? Why would I do that?
Brady, Romo, and Stafford would not need much to pass Tannehill. And guys like Newton (less likely without Benjamin), Dalton (with healthy receivers), and Rivers could also pass him. And Bradford looks like a candidate if he can stay upright and Eli has a lot of weapons. People just want to bump up Tannehill's scoring by 35 points, but there were 8 guys within 35 points of Tannehill. The point being, last year there was a pretty big tier of players very close to each other.