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I've heard coming out of college he's ahead of where Ertz was in terms of blocking. But I think he still needs some improvement.
Don't bother talking to that guy. He still thinks dak is better than Wentz and Dallas is going to the Superbowl next year
You realize they literally did the exact same thing when they drafted Ertz in the 2nd, right? Celek newly on his 2nd contract, recently with 900 and 800 yard seasons, etc. Investing 2nd round capital in a backup TE at this stage is nothing new.
his thought process is simple..
I think at this point no one care how he ended up on the Eagles, just that he did and now we should focus on his outlook going forward. So a Cowboys' fan doesn't like who the Eagles drafted - big deal. No one reading this thread cares. The Eagles got their guy and I think they'll have plans to use him.
But Tight Ends are immediate contributors! It's not like it will take 3 seasons for him to round fully into form, just when Ertz will turn 30 and begin to decline. /s
I would've been on board with the Ertz pick.
True, Ertz has yet to put in a 900 yard season, like Celek had. Not to mention Celek had a much better YPC.
Riiiiiight. Stats are everything.
That's revisionist history though. At the time, Celek was the unquestioned starter, had productive seasons under his belt, was a blocker and a receiver, and in the prime of his career. TE wasn't a need. Every single article when he was drafted talked about how exciting it would be to get Celek and Ertz both on the field.
Not revisionist at all. Not if you understood Celek was a mediocre starting TE (which he was).
Coming out of college, Goedert is definitely a better prospect. That said, Burton has a body of work Goedert doesn’t.
"The Eagles currently had Brent Celek and Clay Harbor in the top two spots on the depth chart. Both players are young, so there isn't really a glaring need at the position for the Eagles. That said, Ertz is a potentially special player. He is great speed, size and enough blocking ability to make an immediate impact as a rookie."
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/what-theyre-saying-mixed-reviews-eagles-draft
I'm just trying to steer the thread towards actual fantasy relevance. Its no longer important whether or not you agree with the pick. He's the Eagles' most likely TE2 this year. Let's move forward.
How can Goedert have a body of work when he was just drafted?!!!!
How you do know we're not talking Gronk/Hernandez here? You have no idea how the Eagles will use Goedert.
I’m talking about the talent.
Just curious, was Connor Williams an optimal pick for the Cowboys when the strength is the OL and the lack of talent is at WR, TE, CB and S?
I think Dallas would tell you that the reason the OL is such a strength is because they keep addressing it even when it's not a need.
of course!
I’m not so sure about that. Ertz was 3rd and Gronk 2nd 27 puts apart and Goedert can be better than Hernandez. Saying it isn’t close is a stretch. Also, it doesn’t appear Ertz is threatening retirement, nor has the injury history that Gronk has.
Wow. To say Ertz is even in the same tier as Gronk is a huge stretch. Then with Goedert being a 2nd round rookie, he shouldn’t even be in the same conversation with Hernandez.
Just the simple fact Williams will start for us at LG (our weakest position on the OL) & can also cover for Tyrone at LT (something we obviously lacked last season that killed us), makes him worth his weight in gold.
Cowboys aren’t close to contending for a title. Jerry Jones will probably be dead before that happens.
Williams sure won’t put them over the top. The Eagles will own the Cowboys for years to come. Goedert will score a TD against them every year for the next 15 years.
But they drafted depth. Cowboys win. Eagles drafted the highest rated TE that will play nearly half the time in their scheme and it was not an optimal pick. Please catch up JU!
The lack of answers to probing questions seem to be pretty embarrassing for Cowboy fans. Not surprising though.
What's the probing question you'd like answered?
~35 catches, 300-400 yards, 4-5 TD's - yea, I think that's pretty close to what I would expect. Redraft leagues especially he's a huge stretch.
It takes two to bicker. In this thread, Football Jones presented his opinion that the Eagles didn't make a good pick primarily because the Eagles didn't have a need at TE. The Eagles fans refuted that they did have a need because they lost their 2nd and 3rd TE's, Ertz tends to miss a few games a year, and the Eagles like to run a lot of 2 TE sets. Presented with these facts, Football Jones proceeded to restate his opinion that the Eagles made a bad pick and then complain that you can't argue with Eagle fans because they are so negative. This is Football Jones standard operating procedure.
Hernandez's rookie stats: 45 receptions, 543 yds, 6 TDs. Nice, but not eye-popping. Certainly attainable for Goedert although I'd put that as his ceiling.
If Goedert gets this stat line at the end of the year, the hype train will be going full speed ahead.
I did support my opinion. You guys just didn't like it, LOL. When I answered questions, I was accused of restating my opinion over & over. It's an impossible situation.
That's the difference between the two fan bases.
Forgot to add, when asked who Football Jones would have taken he stated, "I made it clear I didn't do any research on who I would've taken as an optimal pick." So he readily admits that he has no clue who would have been a good pick for the Eagles, just that Goedert was a bad pick even though he's been repeatedly informed in this thread about how much Philly needed a TE.
I have no axe to grind, I only question why you continue to bring this up a month after the draft? And it has ZERO relevance in this thread. Give it up. Move on.I did support my opinion. You guys just didn't like it, LOL. When I answered questions, I was accused of restating my opinion over & over. It's an impossible situation.
For some reason, Philly fans think we have some axe to grind. The two fan bases are coming from different viewpoints. One, has a long history of being upstaged by Dallas. That seems to have formed a deep bias. I know many Cowboys fans who rooted for the Eagles in the Super Bowl. I'm wiling to bet there isn't one true Philly fan who would root for Dallas in a Super Bowl.
