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TE Dallas Goedert, PHI (1 Viewer)
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Goedert is a bit like Sutton to me - one of few rookies at his position who has the talent to be a high end, elite fantasy option, yet most dynasty owners are dismissing him because the perception is that he will basically redshirt year one and contribute nothing. I actually think both will get on the field (Sutton moreso), have some decent production and make the most of their opportunities....to the point where it will be very difficult to acquire them next offseason.
Goedert will obviously be blocked by Ertz to some extent but he’s a weapon and the Eagles should find ways to get him on the field. I could see him being a red zone threat at least immediately and, given how terrible the TE position is for fantasy, he wouldn’t have to do much to have a top 15 season and be relevant even in redraft. If I was an Ertz owner I’d be slightly nervous that his production will be a bit more capped with Goedert around.
Goedert will obviously be blocked by Ertz to some extent but he’s a weapon and the Eagles should find ways to get him on the field. I could see him being a red zone threat at least immediately and, given how terrible the TE position is for fantasy, he wouldn’t have to do much to have a top 15 season and be relevant even in redraft. If I was an Ertz owner I’d be slightly nervous that his production will be a bit more capped with Goedert around.
Amused to Death
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Today's the first practice of training camp.
https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1022527617709338624
A LOT of Goedert as backside ISO receiver on 3x1 sets. D.J. Killings with the PBU in coverage
https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1022527617709338624
A LOT of Goedert as backside ISO receiver on 3x1 sets. D.J. Killings with the PBU in coverage
Amused to Death
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Eliot Shorr-Parks✔@EliotShorrParks
Dallas Goedert is getting more-and-more snaps with the first team offense #Eagles
Eliot Shorr-Parks✔@EliotShorrParks
Dallas Goedert was really impressive catching the ball today. He made one catch that basically required him to completely turn around while falling onto his back in tight coverage. He held on and made it. #Eagles
Dallas Goedert is getting more-and-more snaps with the first team offense #Eagles
Eliot Shorr-Parks✔@EliotShorrParks
Dallas Goedert was really impressive catching the ball today. He made one catch that basically required him to completely turn around while falling onto his back in tight coverage. He held on and made it. #Eagles
Amused to Death
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Today, we got two (2) Goedert deep balls, both illustrative in their context. Each came at the extent of Grugier-Hill, who struggled to stay in Goedert’s large frame while matching his short-area quickness. Both routes were out-and-ups. On the first, Goedert did well to stack Kamu with downfield leverage and gained a step on him, but the ball came in behind him. Goedert stopped his momentum and made a catch falling to the ground while Grugier-Hill came bowling into his frame. Tough ask; tough catch.
The second ball was far more accurate—right in the bucket. Again, Goedert worked through the two cuts necessitated by the out-and-up with really nice smoothness and preservation of momentum. Ertz is a more explosive short-area athlete than Goedert is, and plays better through contact as well—but Goedert is such a graceful athlete in his routs who can execute multiple cuts without losing his speed. It’s what makes him a better YAC threat than Zach, and it showed up today, on that bread basket catch downfield.
Goedert is clearly a rookie, and mentally right now he’s slow on the field. But the flashes are there of what he’ll become as he continues settling in.
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The second ball was far more accurate—right in the bucket. Again, Goedert worked through the two cuts necessitated by the out-and-up with really nice smoothness and preservation of momentum. Ertz is a more explosive short-area athlete than Goedert is, and plays better through contact as well—but Goedert is such a graceful athlete in his routs who can execute multiple cuts without losing his speed. It’s what makes him a better YAC threat than Zach, and it showed up today, on that bread basket catch downfield.
Goedert is clearly a rookie, and mentally right now he’s slow on the field. But the flashes are there of what he’ll become as he continues settling in.
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stuckinthemuck
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Goedert ought to be drafted close to or ahead of Gesicki in dynasty drafts.
This was always the case IMO. Focus on landing spot and year one opportunity has obscured what a high level prospect he is.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I rode Ertz to a couple redraft ships last year, but I've never been super impressed by him. He is solid, though, and signed for a while, if I recall. But if Goedert is really that good, can he win the #1 outright? I don't mean as a rookie.
Milkman
Footballguy
You can't start him this year or next without an injury. He is a great prospect but that matters. Why draft him now when you can trade for him or pick him off WW for next to nothing next offseason?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
In the leagues I play in, he will most likely remain on someone's taxi squad and will definitely *not* be available on the wire. Possibly cheaper in a trade, though. However, if he does make it to the waiver or is considered cheaper, I wonder if it would be because he simply doesn't emerge or flash, in which case what are we talking about it for? If we assume he is decent as a rookie, I just don't see his price going down. Even if he isn't startable yet.
Note - I only own him in one league and it's a best ball with what I consider deep rosters, and I can taxi him for this season. If league rules make it difficult to roster a prospect like this, then I think I'd probably lean towards your logic above.
I’m always dubious when people say you can trade for him (or others like him - see Sutton) next year for cheap in dynasty or even pick up off a WW. Depends on the league obviously but it’s generally not that easy. I’d say that many people who make these kind of future looking picks make them because they are really high on the player - they aren’t just going to hand them over to you for cheap after sitting on them for a whole season, right as the situation improves. That type of thinking basically assumes a redshirt year - if they flash at all in season and produce a little, their price isn’t going to go down. If anything, the buying window will close.
I took Goedert in my main IDP league mid second round even though I wasn’t tight end needy, which seemed high compared to consensus but no way was I leaving that draft without him.
That’s a general comment though. In relation to drafting Goedert over Geisicki, I think you’re comments is fair if we were certain Geisicki is going to be a stud....but we aren’t. He might be not be startable year one either. Yes, the Dolphins invested highly in him and he’s an incredible athlete but on the field he isn’t Goedert (yet). They both may not be startable.
I actually think that, given how weak the TE position is, and how the Eagles may not be able to keep him off the field (at least in the red zone), we might see enough of Goedert for him to have a few startable weeks. On limited snaps, he wil still at least have TD upside in a good offense which probably puts him in TE2 range immediately. And then you have immense injury upside if Ertz goes down.
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Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah it depends on roster sizes. The leagues i play in we have 20 player rosters. So holding a TE for 2+ years and not starting him is very expensive. I love Goedert but he landed bad. That's just the reality. Without an injury, which is possible, you can't start him. Even the first game he pkays without Ertz we are auto starting? I don't think so.
JohnnyU
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Milkman
Footballguy
I'm not so sure. I guess it depends who else you have. Anyway i hate the way some of you guys come off like you're yelling at me and ill just start yelling back so I'm going to leave this thread now. I'll just say this. With my roster sizes I'm not drafting him unless i get stuck with the pick and then i still have one guy ahead of him. I do like his talent though. I'd just rather aquire him a different way.
Cheers
JohnnyU
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
Definitely not this year, and I doubt next year too. But yes, I suppose if Ertz stays the way he is, and Dallas goes off the next couple years, he could leap frog him. I would guess it would be more of a 1A 1B type situation though, and if this became the case, one could be traded or gone when their contract is up.
Again, think we have the next two seasons before that's going to happen anyways though.
Pwingles
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I drafted thicker skin around the 2.05, ahead of Goedart. Looks to be paying off already
Amused to Death
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Eagles Training Camp Practice Notes: Dallas Goedert looks unstoppable in the red zone
• Lots of red zone work today for the first time in camp.
• Red zone day might as well be called Dallas Goedert day. The rookie tight end simply dominates down there. Goedert’s first reception in 11-on-11 came when he was lined out wide against Sidney Jones. Nate Sudfeld threw his way and the tight end made an effortless one-hand grab. Then Sudfeld hit him again for a touchdown in the middle of the end zone. Unguardable. Later in practice, Goedert got some work with the first team. Nick Foles found him on a curl despite the fact Jordan Hicks was there to contest the play. Goedert’s just too big. During 3-on-2, Goedert ran a corner route to shake off Jeremy Reaves and make a catch. Reaves really must be starving because Goedert has eaten his lunch all day long. Goedert did have one drop during 3-on-2. That’s probably like his first or second drop all offseason.
• The only player who successfully covered Goedert: Ronald Darby. Darby, who’s been having a great camp, broke up a pass for the rookie tight end right at the goal line. As the defense was celebrating the play, the Eagles offense called a hurry up and Foles hit Goedert for ANOTHER touchdown. Rodney McLeod failed to cover No. 88 that time. Goedert may not finish the season with a huge yardage total but boy is he gonna score some touchdowns.
• Lots of red zone work today for the first time in camp.
• Red zone day might as well be called Dallas Goedert day. The rookie tight end simply dominates down there. Goedert’s first reception in 11-on-11 came when he was lined out wide against Sidney Jones. Nate Sudfeld threw his way and the tight end made an effortless one-hand grab. Then Sudfeld hit him again for a touchdown in the middle of the end zone. Unguardable. Later in practice, Goedert got some work with the first team. Nick Foles found him on a curl despite the fact Jordan Hicks was there to contest the play. Goedert’s just too big. During 3-on-2, Goedert ran a corner route to shake off Jeremy Reaves and make a catch. Reaves really must be starving because Goedert has eaten his lunch all day long. Goedert did have one drop during 3-on-2. That’s probably like his first or second drop all offseason.
• The only player who successfully covered Goedert: Ronald Darby. Darby, who’s been having a great camp, broke up a pass for the rookie tight end right at the goal line. As the defense was celebrating the play, the Eagles offense called a hurry up and Foles hit Goedert for ANOTHER touchdown. Rodney McLeod failed to cover No. 88 that time. Goedert may not finish the season with a huge yardage total but boy is he gonna score some touchdowns.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Agreed. I think the Eagles are going to run a lot of multiple TE sets in the RZ with either Sproles or Clement in the backfield.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
One of the biggest takeaways from the first week of Eagles training camp is that we are going to see a ton of two-tight end sets this year with Zach Ertz and Dallas Goedert terrorizing opposing defenses in the red zone.
With Jeffery and Wallace on the outside and Clement in the backfield. Run or pass?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Is there not some percentage of RZ plays where it would be a single TE with Goedert? Is it crazy to think they'll pull Ertz once in a while? Assuming Goedert is what we think he is.
Milkman
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It does, but Ertz wasn't a big TD guy anyway. However in GL situations they'd be more likely to use two TE sets.
Milkman
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babydemon90
Footballguy
I’ve said before this feels a lot like the Ertz/Celek situation. We’ll see Goedert doing more and more over the next 4 years. Now, we may not be able afford them both after that, but that’s a long way away.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Some good info here regarding the Eagles' TE usage and how Goedert may fit in.
Making the case, again, for the GodErtz package
Making the case, again, for the GodErtz package
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Outside of one bad drop he looked really good across the board tonight. He really moves well.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Was just going to post this link. I think he's being seriously undervalued in rookie drafts.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I agree but it was just one game. With that being said he did a lot well in his first shot.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It was also nice to hear Doug say he wanted t feature him. He feels like he could handle it and he didn't disappoint.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
And without Ertz. Checking the FBGS rankings, he's higher than I thought. Other sites have him lower.
Milkman
Footballguy
He is but I'm coming off my Gronk comparison a little. He should be a 1st round pick but he's got very little value the next 3 years. That's the problem. Ertz is going to be there. It's just a terrible landing spot.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
He's hurt by Ertz but I think he will still hold value in the short term. The Eagles look like they'll use 2-TE often, especially in the red zone. I can see 6 TDs for Goedert this year. Trey Burton had 248/5 last year. Goedert's strength is the intermediate and deep routes so I'd expect more yards with at least the same number of TDs.
NeverEnough
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Milkman
Footballguy
I love his talent but I just don't see that unless Ertz misses a significant amount of time.
