TE Dalton Kincaid, BUF (2 Viewers)

[Payne]

Before we bury him, let's see how the other TE's do this weekend.

He started strong. Had Miami been able to do anything, I feel pretty confident Kincaid hauls in 6-7 catches for 70 yards.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I have him in one league and I’m not worried at all. Allen completed 13 passes last night for 139 yards. In a game where the Bills used the passing game at its bare minimum he was second in the team in targets and was tied for second on yards. He’s clearly a player that defenses are focusing on, but as Allen softens those defenses by spreading the ball around—I expect him to have better games. Even the best tight ends are going to have big games sprinkled in amongst quiet ones. I think that the disparity between the TE4/5 vs the TE11/12 this year is going to be pretty small.

 

[menobrown]

Allen 19 passing attempts. Smh

That’s also the amount of snaps he played.

It’s bad, the exact scenario I feared.

It’s the same thing as last year when Knox was healthy and Joe Brady took over. He’s not an everydown starter on a run heavy offense. And that was the case in this game before they got a big lead. Not even in the game on a lot of red zone snaps.

So some people are saying it’s due to leading and not needing to pass but theory has some holes in it. That’s discounting the fact he was used like this before they built a big lead and that Joe Brady wants to go run heavy every week. This game also had a high expected point total and Dolphins were favored. So in terms of setting lineups this would have been a best case type outlook to need to throw. So how are we ever going to know when they will be forced to pass more? And not for nothing but last week was one of those games they were forced to pass more, he of course had a catch.

Another excuse some are lobbing up is that he took a knee to the head after his second catch. Some are saying he got evaluated for a concussion but I never saw that confirmed. But even if so you are either concussed or not, it’s not something where you pass the evaluation and are limited with a head injury.

The easy and simple explanation is the right one here. This is how Brady used him last year when Knox was healthy and losing Diggs has not altered his approach.

 

[Payne]

Allen 19 passing attempts. Smh

That’s also the amount of snaps he played.

It’s bad, the exact scenario I feared.

It’s the same thing as last year when Knox was healthy and Joe Brady took over. He’s not an everydown starter on a run heavy offense. And that was the case in this game before they got a big lead. Not even in the game on a lot of red zone snaps.

So some people are saying it’s due to leading and not needing to pass but theory has some holes in it. That’s discounting the fact he was used like this before they built a big lead and that Joe Brady wants to go run heavy every week. This game also had a high expected point total and Dolphins were favored. So in terms of setting lineups this would have been a best case type outlook to need to throw. So how are we ever going to know when they will be forced to pass more? And not for nothing but last week was one of those games they were forced to pass more, he of course had a catch.

Another excuse some are lobbing up is that he took a knee to the head after his second catch. Some are saying he got evaluated for a concussion but I never saw that confirmed. But even if so you are either concussed or not, it’s not something where you pass the evaluation and are limited with a head injury.

The easy and simple explanation is the right one here. This is how Brady used him last year when Knox was healthy and losing Diggs has not altered his approach.

I don't care that he only plays on passing downs. Fine by me. Less chance for injury.

It's obvious you don't like him. That's cool.

 

[menobrown]

Allen 19 passing attempts. Smh

That’s also the amount of snaps he played.

It’s bad, the exact scenario I feared.

It’s the same thing as last year when Knox was healthy and Joe Brady took over. He’s not an everydown starter on a run heavy offense. And that was the case in this game before they got a big lead. Not even in the game on a lot of red zone snaps.

So some people are saying it’s due to leading and not needing to pass but theory has some holes in it. That’s discounting the fact he was used like this before they built a big lead and that Joe Brady wants to go run heavy every week. This game also had a high expected point total and Dolphins were favored. So in terms of setting lineups this would have been a best case type outlook to need to throw. So how are we ever going to know when they will be forced to pass more? And not for nothing but last week was one of those games they were forced to pass more, he of course had a catch.

Another excuse some are lobbing up is that he took a knee to the head after his second catch. Some are saying he got evaluated for a concussion but I never saw that confirmed. But even if so you are either concussed or not, it’s not something where you pass the evaluation and are limited with a head injury.

The easy and simple explanation is the right one here. This is how Brady used him last year when Knox was healthy and losing Diggs has not altered his approach.

I don't care that he only plays on passing downs. Fine by me. Less chance for injury.

It's obvious you don't like him. That's cool.

What a ridiculous statement to say I don’t like him. The teams I own him probably cost more then your fantasy budget for the whole year.

I try to keep it real, not find excuses to cope.

 

[TampaMike19]

Would be better if he’s on the field for all plays and can block, but the league is shifting a lot to having players only on the fields for passing downs and just executing plays better than the defense. “You know it’s coming and we will still gain yards” type of attitude. Look at all the slot WRs and now Bowers coming onto the field for generally not a ton of neutral passing situations. Yet they produce.

IDK- I don’t feel good about the draft price for this guy but what can you do? He still is a high reception player that can get YAC- it’s what you want in today’s league.

 

[Down Under]

Color me concerned. The usage compared to overall passing is fine, but the overall passing game is a problem. They are winning, OC Brady's game plans seem to be run heavy (were last year also), and there is no big incentive to change that at this point.

 

[FarFromHome]

Color me concerned. The usage compared to overall passing is fine, but the overall passing game is a problem. They are winning, OC Brady's game plans seem to be run heavy (were last year also), and there is no big incentive to change that at this point.

Yep.

 

[TampaMike19]

Color me concerned. The usage compared to overall passing is fine, but the overall passing game is a problem. They are winning, OC Brady's game plans seem to be run heavy (were last year also), and there is no big incentive to change that at this point.

Teams should not be playing two high against the Bills right now. I’m not sure if they are. There is no one that will beat you one on one down the field right now. And if that’s the case then Kincaid will be fine. I still think he will be fine given Allen’s historical production but it is pretty concerning for the price so far.

 

[JohnnyU]

They didn’t really need him. I think their WR room is suspect, so I’m not panicking on Kincaid.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

They didn’t really need him. I think their WR room is suspect, so I’m not panicking on Kincaid.

Depending on scoring, he got you 7.3 to 8.0 points. It's not a 0. He will have better days. He looked good when he had the ball in his hands, and the routes looked crisp.

I agree with you. No need to panic.

 

[FarFromHome]

They didn’t really need him. I think their WR room is suspect, so I’m not panicking on Kincaid.

Depending on scoring, he got you 7.3 to 8.0 points. It's not a 0. He will have better days. He looked good when he had the ball in his hands, and the routes looked crisp.

I agree with you. No need to panic.

Also add in that at one point last night I felt he may miss some time.

 

[DonFue]

This guy is way too good for this offense. He is so smooth and runs smart, crisp routes. He's being wasted by a QB who, while awesome, still doesn't "see it" in the passing game, especially over the middle.

 

[ilianawindfae]

So he's a bust. Bills don't need him to win games. I'd try to sell early. Maybe I'll look like an idiot in a few weeks, but the Bills look very content running the football 30-40 times a game.

1/11
4/33


That can be had on the waiver wire. His game scripts will likely get better, but I don't know man, I'd be getting nervous.

 

[menobrown]

They didn’t really need him. I think their WR room is suspect, so I’m not panicking on Kincaid.

Depending on scoring, he got you 7.3 to 8.0 points. It's not a 0. He will have better days. He looked good when he had the ball in his hands, and the routes looked crisp.

I agree with you. No need to panic.

Context matters. Relative to other TE's he may not kill you, if you used like a 5th round pick on him in your PPR league then it's disappointing but not earth shattering.

But a lot of people here play in the FFPC format.

He got 9.3 in that format but his ADP was also a late second. That's panic worthy IMO.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

They didn’t really need him. I think their WR room is suspect, so I’m not panicking on Kincaid.

Depending on scoring, he got you 7.3 to 8.0 points. It's not a 0. He will have better days. He looked good when he had the ball in his hands, and the routes looked crisp.

I agree with you. No need to panic.

Context matters. Relative to other TE's he may not kill you, if you used like a 5th round pick on him in your PPR league then it's disappointing but not earth shattering.

But a lot of people here play in the FFPC format.

He got 9.3 in that format but his ADP was also a late second. That's panic worthy IMO.

Yup, mid 6th round for me in my only redraft league and I managed to pick up Likely this week, not that he's a guarantee of anything. Preferred McBride but can admit I was very bullish on Kincaid. So far, doesn't appear a big part of their plans but in retrospect, he wasn't needed last night at all.

Could put week 1 down as an anomaly, a continuation of pre-season maybe. Brighter days ahead therefore? Gameplans tend to evolve over a season, too early to panic. Glass half-full of course...

 

[Payne]

Allen 19 passing attempts. Smh

That’s also the amount of snaps he played.

It’s bad, the exact scenario I feared.

It’s the same thing as last year when Knox was healthy and Joe Brady took over. He’s not an everydown starter on a run heavy offense. And that was the case in this game before they got a big lead. Not even in the game on a lot of red zone snaps.

So some people are saying it’s due to leading and not needing to pass but theory has some holes in it. That’s discounting the fact he was used like this before they built a big lead and that Joe Brady wants to go run heavy every week. This game also had a high expected point total and Dolphins were favored. So in terms of setting lineups this would have been a best case type outlook to need to throw. So how are we ever going to know when they will be forced to pass more? And not for nothing but last week was one of those games they were forced to pass more, he of course had a catch.

Another excuse some are lobbing up is that he took a knee to the head after his second catch. Some are saying he got evaluated for a concussion but I never saw that confirmed. But even if so you are either concussed or not, it’s not something where you pass the evaluation and are limited with a head injury.

The easy and simple explanation is the right one here. This is how Brady used him last year when Knox was healthy and losing Diggs has not altered his approach.

I don't care that he only plays on passing downs. Fine by me. Less chance for injury.

It's obvious you don't like him. That's cool.

What a ridiculous statement to say I don’t like him. The teams I own him probably cost more then your fantasy budget for the whole year.

I try to keep it real, not find excuses to cope.

Your take of "the easy and simple explanation is the right one here" is your opinion. Period. Doesn't make it right at all.

And nobody here is making excuses. Game scripts matter.
Game 1, Arizona schemed to stop him. Game 2 he started strong and Miami didn't put up a fight.
Buffalo didn't need to pass. Very simple.

"The teams I own in him probably cost more THAN your fantasy budget for the whole year."
What are we, 12?

 

[menobrown]

Allen 19 passing attempts. Smh

That’s also the amount of snaps he played.

It’s bad, the exact scenario I feared.

It’s the same thing as last year when Knox was healthy and Joe Brady took over. He’s not an everydown starter on a run heavy offense. And that was the case in this game before they got a big lead. Not even in the game on a lot of red zone snaps.

So some people are saying it’s due to leading and not needing to pass but theory has some holes in it. That’s discounting the fact he was used like this before they built a big lead and that Joe Brady wants to go run heavy every week. This game also had a high expected point total and Dolphins were favored. So in terms of setting lineups this would have been a best case type outlook to need to throw. So how are we ever going to know when they will be forced to pass more? And not for nothing but last week was one of those games they were forced to pass more, he of course had a catch.

Another excuse some are lobbing up is that he took a knee to the head after his second catch. Some are saying he got evaluated for a concussion but I never saw that confirmed. But even if so you are either concussed or not, it’s not something where you pass the evaluation and are limited with a head injury.

The easy and simple explanation is the right one here. This is how Brady used him last year when Knox was healthy and losing Diggs has not altered his approach.

I don't care that he only plays on passing downs. Fine by me. Less chance for injury.

It's obvious you don't like him. That's cool.

What a ridiculous statement to say I don’t like him. The teams I own him probably cost more then your fantasy budget for the whole year.

I try to keep it real, not find excuses to cope.

Your take of "the easy and simple explanation is the right one here" is your opinion. Period. Doesn't make it right at all.

And nobody here is making excuses. Game scripts matter.
Game 1, Arizona schemed to stop him. Game 2 he started strong and Miami didn't put up a fight.
Buffalo didn't need to pass. Very simple.

"The teams I own in him probably cost more THAN your fantasy budget for the whole year."
What are we, 12?

Saying I hate him for posting about why he's not doing good removes any right you have for making comments like this.

I'll now let you proceed to trying to cope.

 

[rodalive]

I drafted a lot of Kincaid in FFPC. This is very bad, their schedule will allow them to run the offense like this the whole season. I bet Brady wants to have a game where they don't reach double digit passes.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I knew I was reaching for him a bit, however the TEs taken after Kincaid haven't done anything (except maybe Bowers), so I'm not feeling too rattled at this point.

He and Allen are still as talented as I thought, it just hasn't come together yet for a full game (given that they were definitely targeting him early on both sides of the formation).

 

[Football Jones]

Kincaid got just 19 snaps last week (out of 41). Knox had 24. Kincaid being out there less than half the time (42%) is very troubling for his FF value. I know the Bills had the game in hand, which favors Knox, but they're a good team and will often be playing ahead. Buffalo ran a lot of 12 personnel in week 1...not so much last week (even with a good lead). Kincaid's lack of blocking ability might hurt him more than his owners thought. Probably too early to say he's a bust (given his ADP), but it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out in the long-run.

 

[menobrown]

Kincaid got just 19 snaps last week (out of 41). Knox had 24. Kincaid being out there less than half the time (42%) is very troubling for his FF value

It's not as bad is you narrow it down to percentage of plays in the game he runs a route, but it's still not great. In week 2 it was 15/20 plays and was just a little better in week one. A lot of those times he's not running routes are red zone which again is not ideal.

Not being a full time player on a run heavy offense is certainly a major issue I don't see resolving anytime soon.

As bad as the TE spot is I still view him as a TE1, for now. But where he really kills a lot of teams is formats like FFPC where his ADP was right around player 20. That kind of mediocore production relative to what you could have picked instead is a challenge to overcome.

I felt before the season started, and posted such somewhere here, that there was a group of TE's that were gong in round two or early round three of FFPC that included Kelce, Laporta, McBride, Kincaid and Andrews. I felt that Kincaid had the highest ceiling and lowest floor of that group depending on how they used him and my thoughts on that have not changed. It can change in a week on a coaching decision because it's not about talent, just don't see any valid reason to expect that right now.

 

[Football Jones]

I've never been as high on Kincaid as most people, but I thought he'd be a bigger part of their gameplans. Still early, though.

Somebody is likely to emerge from that receiving corps. It doesn't look like it's going to be Kincaid. Shakir is decent, but my money is on Keon, who's been dominating WR snaps. That said, you really never know how fast rookies will develop.

 

[Hartliner]

Week 1 excuse: Wind
Week 2 excuse: Concussed eval during game to cede snaps to Knox
Week 3 profit?

Week 2 usage before he got knee to head was enough for me to see that they had plans(Allens first 2 attempts that were 2 catches in same drive), breakout was delayed. I feel good about him strangely enough. I would buylow if you could.

 

[menobrown]

I've never been as high on Kincaid as most people, but I thought he'd be a bigger part of their gameplans. Still early, though.

Somebody is likely to emerge from that receiving corps. It doesn't look like it's going to be Kincaid. Shakir is decent, but my money is on Keon, who's been dominating WR snaps. That said, you really never know how fast rookies will develop.

I am pretty far from being able to conclude the bolded in light of fact he's two targets off the team lead but my guess is Shakir will end up as the most targets and he and Kincaid will one and two in that department. But it's a small pie split up multiple ways right now.

 

[FarFromHome]

After two weeks, color me concerned. In the end it's math. Allen has been waaaaay under career norms for passing attempts. Is the game plan to have Allen at 25 throws a game? If so that's bad. Kincaid owners are in dire need of a Jared Goff like 55 passing attempt game.

 

[kyoun1e]

I've never been as high on Kincaid as most people, but I thought he'd be a bigger part of their gameplans. Still early, though.

Somebody is likely to emerge from that receiving corps. It doesn't look like it's going to be Kincaid. Shakir is decent, but my money is on Keon, who's been dominating WR snaps. That said, you really never know how fast rookies will develop.

I am pretty far from being able to conclude the bolded in light of fact he's two targets off the team lead but my guess is Shakir will end up as the most targets and he and Kincaid will one and two in that department. But it's a small pie split up multiple ways right now.

Long season. Think the Bills offense is in the midst of a morph into something different with all new parts. If Buffalo wants to advance, I'd think they'd want to take advantage of Kincaid. Fortunately, TEs aren't knocking the cover off the ball in general.

Now if I was a Laporta or Kelce owner...

 

[Football Jones]

I've never been as high on Kincaid as most people, but I thought he'd be a bigger part of their gameplans. Still early, though.

Somebody is likely to emerge from that receiving corps. It doesn't look like it's going to be Kincaid. Shakir is decent, but my money is on Keon, who's been dominating WR snaps. That said, you really never know how fast rookies will develop.

I am pretty far from being able to conclude the bolded in light of fact he's two targets off the team lead but my guess is Shakir will end up as the most targets and he and Kincaid will one and two in that department. But it's a small pie split up multiple ways right now.

I totally get the hesitation to put too much notion into predicting things this early, but I don't believe Kincaid is the type of TE who can typically lead their team in the passing game. Nice receiver, but you really have to be special to be that guy in the NFL (Kelce, etc.). Targets are great, but I'm referring to production.

I think Shakir has some upside, but I also don't see him as somebody who tends to lead a receiving corps. The ceiling guy is Keon, but he's a rookie and it could be awhile before he even comes close to his potential. It's also not clear how much of that ceiling he'll realize (as with almost all players early on). That said, somebody has to be the leading receiver this season so, yeah, it could be Shakir or even Kincaid.

 

[menobrown]

I don't believe Kincaid is the type of TE who can typically lead their team in the passing game.

I do not agree with your assessment.

The ceiling guy is Keon

Or this one either, he can't get open.

 

[Football Jones]

I don't believe Kincaid is the type of TE who can typically lead their team in the passing game.

I do not agree with your assessment.

The ceiling guy is Keon

Or this one either, he can't get open.

The NFL is changing in a sense that teams are willing to take guys high in the draft for specialized roles (especially, late 1sts and such). They may not have envisioned Kincaid as a high snap guy, but it doesn't mean he's not a high-valued NFL player. His blocking was always going to limit him (at least some) in all but the most perfect of situations as far as FF is concerned. Kincaid is quite a ways from the elite-type TEs who can sustain team-leading production over the long-haul (multiple seasons).

Keon doesn't have to get wide open. He's dominating snaps which is a good start to his career.

All that said, one of the reasons this board thrives is because of difference of opinion. You know what they say about opinions...

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I really think it depends on where you're coming from. Took him as your starting TE in re-draft? He'll be just fine. Maybe a little rich. Maybe won't hit the ceiling you were hoping for, but no reason not to continue to plug him in.

Take him at your 1.7 rookie draft last season ahead of LaPorta thinking he might have a chance to be the next Kelce like advantage at the TE position? You're getting a little antsy after wanting to buy into the "he's their WR1" narrative.

When you're like me and did the previous one, while also double-tapping with him at the TE position of re-draft thinking your leaguemates were getting a little too greedy on where they could get him, well sir, you're about ready to start walking off into the ocean.

But yeah, I think he'll be fine if he's your re-draft TE and you weren't dumb enough to draft two thinking Kincaid would be flex-worthy.

 

[FarFromHome]

He strings together a few really good games and this narrative becomes remember his slow start?

Signed,

Very Invested Fantasy Owner

 

[TampaMike19]

Court land Sutton also dominates snaps on the field…look how that turned out. Points per air yard and blocking league

 

[KellysHeroes]

I'm not worried as I just overpaid for him by a lot (traded Dobbins / Freiermuth for him) and I do expect another dud this week after a Jag team that can't get their act together.
I would certainly toss some low ball offers to the Allen and/or Kincaid owner because after this week their are some high scoring offenses coming and Buff will need to move the ball.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Up by 25 with Kincaid going against Burrow in a PPR 6-point pass TD league. Don't blow this, Kincaid.

 

[TampaMike19]

Up by 25 with Kincaid going against Burrow in a PPR 6-point pass TD league. Don't blow this, Kincaid.

Funny how it's the inverse for me that I need Burrow to go crazy tonight. That said, I don't know what to expect for Kincaid. I'd be stoked for 9-90-1 finally but that means a fantasy loss lol

It's how it goes when you have many teams!

 

[FarFromHome]

Let roll buddy. Don't even need a great game out of ya. A 6 catch 80 yard game would feel nice and I could at least take a breath. We need Allen to throw 35 time. 23 and 19 attempts in his first two games ain't gonna work for Dalton. If that's the norm he will struggle all year. Imo

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Let roll buddy. Don't even need a great game out of ya. A 6 catch 80 yard game would feel nice and I could at least take a breath. We need Allen to throw 35 time. 23 and 19 attempts in his first two games ain't gonna work for Dalton. If that's the norm he will struggle all year. Imo

Yes, that is a concern.

My other path to winning is that both Kincaid and Burrow lay eggs. Which is certainly possible.

 

[zamboni]

Agree that the low passing volume is a concern. What makes it more of a concern is that Shakir is emerging as the guy who Allen is looking at quite a bit. If they're looking to protect Allen as much as possible (which makes sense) that is likely going to continue put Knox on the field more over Kincaid when they're not running with "12" personnel, even in some obvious passing downs. It's not like Knox can't catch the ball either.

 

[jm192]

I definitely worry less about him than some of the other slow starters.

I think Josh Allen still winds up with 4,000+ passing yards and Kincaid leads the team.

I do however worry we're going to see some weird weeks like we've seen so far. Some weeks they'll win with the run. Some weeks, Shakir will be the guy that pops.

I think the end of season numbers will be pretty, but we'll have some frustrating weeks. But given the overall state of the TE position, it'll be ok.

 

[FarFromHome]

Feels good to get that first TD in the books

 

[FarFromHome]

Tight ends have been so bad, that with his start in this game he literally jumped into top ten tight end scoring. Smh

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Feels good to get that first TD in the books

Great to see, not only for Kincaid, but it feels like the first TD by any TE this season

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

MOAR! Let's get greedy tonight.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Finally something lol

 

[MrSoup]

Could’ve had a big game if the Jags had been able to keep up. But I’ll take it!

 

[travdogg]

Feels good to get that first TD in the books

Great to see, not only for Kincaid, but it feels like the first TD by any TE this season

Hey, come on now, McBride had that fumble TD.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Happy to see Kincaid usage increasing - hopefully the trend continues.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Seems like Buffalo hasn’t had a “normal” game yet

 

[travdogg]

Seems like Buffalo hasn’t had a “normal” game yet

At some point one has to wonder if this is their normal game. They've basically given up 1 TD since the 2nd quarter of week 1. Defense looks great, and offense isn't turning it over.