osubuckeyeman
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TE Dalton Kincaid, BUF (2 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
First year in many I actually ponied up a 5th round pick on a TE.
What an epic disappointment.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I admit to feeling somewhat panicky. It’s like he wasn’t at all part of the offensive gameplan.
efactor
Footballguy
Shakier only got 3 targets which was really disappointing as well. Caught all 3 and made a great run after catch for a TD. I'm concerned about the amount of passes they threw
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Crazy bad week for top TEs. Weird.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep. 23 passes to 33 runs bodes ill for all BUF skill players outside of the RB room.
Let’s hope that’s a fluke or it’s gonna be a long season for everyone who invested in Bills.
This.
They've been really run heavy since Brady took over play calling last season. Josh Allen is playing QB like a shoot first PG.
I just checked and Kincaid actually played more snaps then any skill player on offense except Allen of course. He also ran the second most routes, 2 less then Coleman. But they only passed 22 times and that pie got split up by 10 players.
The snap counts and route running participation are better then last year after Brady took over and Knox returned. But I'm not without my concerns.
-OZ-
Footballguy
5/66 isn’t bad considering the team.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah but they were down like 300 at half. I’d expect a lot more.
Jones is hot garbage. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the Giants to pay Daniel Jones.
Yeah I love to see it though. They deserve it the way they treated Saquon
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Brighter objectively, but... this is just a continuation. Brighter yes, but impact guy? I'll say right now no, he will be 4th on this team in targets that needs pass catchers
I watched most of this game. The Cardinals did a really good job controlling the clock the first half of the game with long drives. The 2nd half the Bills were in Josh Allen "HERO BALL" mode. I think better days are ahead for Kincaid
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Found this interesting, especially the bolded where it sounds like McDermott told Brady during the game to start using Kincaid more. I find this positive but still have concerns on Brady, he has seemingly failed to understand what he has in Kincaid since he took over, and frankly has shown a little Arthur Smith traits with his usage/roles.
There was a natural concern about Kincaid’s role as it pertains to the presence of tight end Dawson Knox, because of how much they scaled back Kincaid’s role in 2023 after Knox had returned from injured reserve. The first two offensive series against the Cardinals did not alleviate those concerns, either. Knox had 11 snaps to Kincaid’s nine, closer to his late-2023 playtime percentages. However, as the offense failed to get going over their first two series, there was a clear shift in Kincaid being on the field. Head coach Sean McDermott alluded after the game to wanting to get Kincaid more involved, and his in-game message sunk in with offensive coordinator Joe Brady.
Kincaid went on to take 46 of the Bills’ final 52 offensive snaps. In the second half alone, Kincaid missed only three of their 41 snaps for a second half snap share of 92.7 percent. In addition to Kincaid’s usage, the proliferation of 12 personnel in the second half also saw a huge bump, with the team using it on 41.5 percent of their 41 offensive snaps. Last year, Brady made that more of a matchup tool than a staple, so it remains to be seen if the 12 personnel percentages will be sticky. But what should hold is Kincaid being out there in a full-time role. He’s a potential difference-maker. More productive days are likely ahead.
www.nytimes.com
Don’t worry about Dalton Kincaid’s stat line
It was a forgettable debut for second-year standout tight end Dalton Kincaid, who was held to only one reception and 11 yards on two targets. The stat line could create some anxiety about the role of one of the most talented players on the entire roster. But his overall usage tells a far different story, and if the Bills continue down a similar path moving forward, some huge Kincaid games are coming in future weeks.There was a natural concern about Kincaid’s role as it pertains to the presence of tight end Dawson Knox, because of how much they scaled back Kincaid’s role in 2023 after Knox had returned from injured reserve. The first two offensive series against the Cardinals did not alleviate those concerns, either. Knox had 11 snaps to Kincaid’s nine, closer to his late-2023 playtime percentages. However, as the offense failed to get going over their first two series, there was a clear shift in Kincaid being on the field. Head coach Sean McDermott alluded after the game to wanting to get Kincaid more involved, and his in-game message sunk in with offensive coordinator Joe Brady.
Kincaid went on to take 46 of the Bills’ final 52 offensive snaps. In the second half alone, Kincaid missed only three of their 41 snaps for a second half snap share of 92.7 percent. In addition to Kincaid’s usage, the proliferation of 12 personnel in the second half also saw a huge bump, with the team using it on 41.5 percent of their 41 offensive snaps. Last year, Brady made that more of a matchup tool than a staple, so it remains to be seen if the 12 personnel percentages will be sticky. But what should hold is Kincaid being out there in a full-time role. He’s a potential difference-maker. More productive days are likely ahead.
Five takeaways from the Buffalo Bills’ roller coaster Week 1 win against Arizona
Greg Rousseau was great but the rest of the defense has some big red flags.
www.nytimes.com
Found this interesting, especially the bolded where it sounds like McDermott told Brady during the game to start using Kincaid more. I find this positive but still have concerns on Brady, he has seemingly failed to understand what he has in Kincaid since he took over, and frankly has shown a little Arthur Smith traits with his usage/roles.
Don’t worry about Dalton Kincaid’s stat line
It was a forgettable debut for second-year standout tight end Dalton Kincaid, who was held to only one reception and 11 yards on two targets. The stat line could create some anxiety about the role of one of the most talented players on the entire roster. But his overall usage tells a far different story, and if the Bills continue down a similar path moving forward, some huge Kincaid games are coming in future weeks.
There was a natural concern about Kincaid’s role as it pertains to the presence of tight end Dawson Knox, because of how much they scaled back Kincaid’s role in 2023 after Knox had returned from injured reserve. The first two offensive series against the Cardinals did not alleviate those concerns, either. Knox had 11 snaps to Kincaid’s nine, closer to his late-2023 playtime percentages. However, as the offense failed to get going over their first two series, there was a clear shift in Kincaid being on the field. Head coach Sean McDermott alluded after the game to wanting to get Kincaid more involved, and his in-game message sunk in with offensive coordinator Joe Brady.
Kincaid went on to take 46 of the Bills’ final 52 offensive snaps. In the second half alone, Kincaid missed only three of their 41 snaps for a second half snap share of 92.7 percent. In addition to Kincaid’s usage, the proliferation of 12 personnel in the second half also saw a huge bump, with the team using it on 41.5 percent of their 41 offensive snaps. Last year, Brady made that more of a matchup tool than a staple, so it remains to be seen if the 12 personnel percentages will be sticky. But what should hold is Kincaid being out there in a full-time role. He’s a potential difference-maker. More productive days are likely ahead.
Five takeaways from the Buffalo Bills’ roller coaster Week 1 win against Arizona
Greg Rousseau was great but the rest of the defense has some big red flags.
I guess this is positive.
Seems like Brady is thick in the head here. Concerned he's another Arthur Smith of poor usage for TEs.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Seems odd to triple team a second year TE. I guess if you win, it’s worth it.
Wait….they lost though.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Hopefully just a small hiccup. 23 passing attempts is the big concern. Math isn't good when Allen only throws 23 times
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Not that it theoretically matters to Allen, but have seen reports it was very windy in Buffalo Sunday, Murray didn't go down field much either
Saw that yesterday, actually looked more like they quadriple teamed him.
During the game I checked Twitter to see what was up and a Bills beat writer I follow mentioned he’d been getting a lot of double teams.
If Brady kept using him like he did last year and early in this game I would feel uneasy. But with McDermott apparently intervening and way he was used after the first 2 drives I think it’s all going to work out.
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From watching the game, I think the 23 pass attempts had a lot to do with Cardinals dominating time of possession in the first half. Than 2nd half Josh Allen was playing "Hero Ball".
Down Under
Footballguy
I kept both Kincaid and McBride in a TEP keep-4 league instead of Collins (traded him for a draft pick). 
Fortunately, I had Allen, Saquon, and the Bears D 
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I'm not panicking yet, and I can flex out one of them if need be. Still, you don't want to be flexing out your keepers...
Fortunately, I had Allen, Saquon, and the Bears D .I'm not panicking yet, and I can flex out one of them if need be. Still, you don't want to be flexing out your keepers...
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Don't have the stomach for another statline like Sunday, going with Likely. Hope he does much better though, could hardly do much worse
I have the same dilemma
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think he’s going to have a good game tonight.
Yeah feels like they want to get their top target going early and often tonight to keep pace with an explosive offense
For reference in week 18 last year Kincaid went
7 rec 8 tar 84yds against Miami
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LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
law of probability suggests he'll be much more involved, apparently Arizona doubled and tripled him at times. I'd just be happy to see the targets go up, 2 is pitiful.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Allen averaged 34 passing attempts a game last year. Last week he had 23 in a windy game. I have zero concerns about Kincaid. Now. I will say if he drops a 2 catch 17 yard game tonight I definitely have a little concern. Feels like a decent spot for him against Miami. Weather is perfect. Let's roll
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Plugging him in for Kelce tonight. Kelce into flex consideration for a 'Q' ravaged wr core.
Not doing it with confidence. Doing it in the George Costanza "do the opposite" theory when he realized that his natural instincts were always wrong. My natural inclination after Sunday was to bench this guy until Allen starts throwing to him.
Also, I'm downright determined for one of my players to actually do something when I'm in position to watch their game.
Better start this week but thought he got hurt on his second catch. Had not played since including being on the sidelines on that 4th and 3 pass to James Cook and the entire next series.
He took a knee to head after that last catch and I was worried he was in the concussion protocol. Now instead I see he's healthy I'm worried that the Bills had him off the field that long. It's like they opened throwing him the ball with intention to purposely get him involved, to appease certain factions, and then Brady went back to making him a part time player. He won't be able to meet his redraft value with this kind of usage, not close.
He took a knee to head after that last catch and I was worried he was in the concussion protocol. Now instead I see he's healthy I'm worried that the Bills had him off the field that long. It's like they opened throwing him the ball with intention to purposely get him involved, to appease certain factions, and then Brady went back to making him a part time player. He won't be able to meet his redraft value with this kind of usage, not close.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
They might have been evaluating him on that drive he missed. Seems like a more logical explanation than "the OC hates him."
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
ugh
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
I’m starting to think the “who else is going to catch passes” argument blows chunks
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Why throw when you can score 3 TDs on the ground, I guess.
Down Under
Footballguy
That might be it for Kincaid tonight after that pick 6. Don't see the Bills passing much the rest of the night.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Just caught a pass, so not yet.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I don't think there are a lot of grand conclusions you can take away from tonight when it comes to Kincaid. James Cook ran wild. Dolphins stunk. Game script. I gotta say, though, in the Bills games that I watch it just doesn't seem like this is where Allen is looking when it's time to make a play downfield. Is he really being constantly double and triple teamed? So frustrating consider his fantasy managers have reaped such minimal fruit to this point to justify that level of attention.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I'm willing to take this away, there was a lot of talk of him as TE1 this season. I think he will be closer to the TE10. Better days, but probably went off as an overpay.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Yeah, hard to argue with that. Personally, I came in hoping for TE4/5 and within the fringe of the TEs that would matter. But TE10 (and not factoring into winning fantasy matches) feels a lot closer to where it's heading.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Slight sigh of relief for me, I missed him in all my drafts so I built my FBG contest team around him. Not feeling good with that at the moment but rooting for the rebound.
Bills just dont look, through a SSS, like they are going to have him as anything close to a priority weapon. And at 2-0, no reason to change, they probably got the stranglehold on the division tonight with the Tua injury.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He looked poised for a big night if the Dolphins had kept it close.
Against better opponents he’s going to eat. I’m not concerned at all.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Allen 19 passing attempts. Smh
TampaMike19
Footballguy
this sucks- ceiling is entirely comprised and passing in general around the league is in free fall
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
They didn't need to throw, as Miami couldn't stop the run and kept turning the ball over. Not every game will be like this.
