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TE Evan Engram, DEN (1 Viewer)
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I could be wrong and for sure "high" is subjective but I don't think so. FWIW I just saw one site, the Ringer, which lists him as I think the 46th best available FA. I've not looked closely at that list to be sure but would probably have a lot of players ranked behind him over him.
Only takes one team to see worth or value in him but I don't think 31 year old TE's who are poor at blocking with a career YPC of under 10 yards coming off a season he was under 8 yards a catch are in high demand right now.
For FF purposes it won't matter, what will matter is where he goes but anywhere is probably going to be worse as Pederson was about as TE friendly as as it gets.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Where is he ranked among TE's on that list? Heard another talking head that he's now the best FA TE "by a good margin".
#1, 5 spots over Juwan Johnson.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
As long as they do not dip their toes in the in that position during the draft I will think he is trending in the right direction.
I'm of the mindset he's safe as the starting TE and the biggest driver of his fantasy value will be based on what they do at WR.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think that’s probably a fairly safe assumption, however with the deeper class at TE you never know. I think they are more likely to look at receiver with the exit of Kirk.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Uh oh...maybe not. I thought he was on the mend and by now looking better.
He does not strike me as the Harbugh type of TE, just to weak at blocking.
Mark Andrews to the Chargers is about as make sense of a trade as I could ever put together. Which means it likely never happens.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Yes I guess I agree. They need blocking before receiving numbers. lol -I just want a Gates again. Forever hoping. lol
Honestly given the FA TE market, I wouldn't be shocked if Engram actually ended up making more money than he was in Jacksonville.
rockaction
Footballguy
Visited with Denver on Monday. Apparently maybe Payton imagines him as his athletic TE that can play "Joker" in Payton's offense. Left without a contract, so it's not a done deal by any stretch. But he was at the facilities meeting with everybody.
nittanylion
Footballguy
I think when Payton closes his eyes and fantasizes about the ultimate candidate for the 'Joker' role in his Offense, he sees visions of Penn State's Tyler Warren - who can literally play every offensive skill position, and potentially be at least above average at all of them, if he continues his developmental trajectory in the NFL - and wets his bedsheets.
It's just a matter of the Broncos having the draft capital, or willingness to acquire/expend it to acquire him.
It's just a matter of the Broncos having the draft capital, or willingness to acquire/expend it to acquire him.
Visited with the Chargers today. As good of a landing spot as Denver would be, I think LA would actually be better. He’s my TE1 on a dynasty team, so fingers crossed.
Jared Cook went 700-9 and 500-7 his 2 years starting. Ben Watson went 800-6. Engram isn't Graham, but he's on par with those guys.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Broncos Signing Evan Engram To Two-Year Deal
49 seconds agoThe Denver Broncos are signing two-time Pro Bowl tight end Evan Engram (shoulder) to an undisclosed two-year deal on Wednesday, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Although Engram ended the 2024 season on Injured Reserve due to a shoulder injury, he gives the Broncos the help at the position that they've been looking for in recent seasons. The 30-year-old former 23rd overall pick by the New York Giants in 2017 out of Mississippi played in just nine games in 2024 and had 47 catches, 365 yards and one touchdown on 64 targets. However, he had a career year in 2023 with a 114-963-4 line on 143 targets in 17 games (15 starts). Depending on how he bounces back from his shoulder injury and how he takes to head coach Sean Payton's offense, Engram could be second-year quarterback Bo Nix's No. 2 target behind receiver Courtland Sutton, giving him plenty of bounce-back potential as a TE1 in fantasy.--Keith Hernandez - RotoBaller
Who did he have, though?
Stoneworker
Footballguy
According to Mike Klis, the Broncos upped their offer last night after Engram visited the Chargers.
Then Engram chose Denver this AM after he got back home. Not sure what L.A. offered (if anything)
It's also been speculated that the Broncos training staff took longer than expected evaluating Engram's shoulder
He visited the Chargers yesterday.
No idea why it did not get done with Denver but just taking a guess he took personal visits so the teams bidding for him could check out his healthy since he was released with a designation of failed physical.
Also Shockey who he played for him later in his career in New Orleans but he was the OC during Shockey's best season, his first. (guess Shockey was Pitts before Pitts, the odd TE who has an outstanding rookie year and then never matches it again. Said with caveat Pitts can still change his course)
Nothing is as good as being in Pederson's offense so anything is a drop down but as it goes this is a soft landing.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Engram had 114 recpts in 2023 and was on pace for 90 recpts in 2024 before shoulder injury. Best of his career
A few calendar months elapse and all of a sudden he's trash?
Kelce is 35 and had his two best statistical seasons post-30
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Those are certainly things his fantasy managers want to read.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
And claiming a signing is not smart b/c of a ypc stat is hardly convincing
The Broncos entire TE room had only 51 recpts last year
So if Engram gets anywhere close to the 73 recpts that were his worst (full) year with the Jags, the signing will be a home run from an NFL perspective
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30 is not really old for a TE. And he’s just two years removed from his best season ever.
MAC_32
Footballguy
He was also 43rd of 45 qualifying te's in yac.
MAC_32
Footballguy
His best season ever net less than 1,000 yards and 4 td's despite 143 targets.
rockaction
Footballguy
This certainly isn't looking toward 2027. NFL is a little these days with teams coming out of nowhere to be contenders. It's not like the old SF/Dal/GB days. Figured Denver would be in the market for a TE and said so. LAC will be, too.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
In 2022 Engram was 2nd in the league in total YAC, and had higher YAC/recpt than Travis Kelce
In 2023 Engram was tied for the league lead in big play recpts (>10+ yds) with 40
I can cherry pick stats, too
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Yards per catch is a meaningless stat.
#1 was George Kittle, who probably is the best TE in the NFL.
#2 was a tie between Tucker Kraft and Dawson Knox, nobody's idea of top-5 guys.
#4 was Foster Moreau, a decent 2nd TE.
#5 was Kyle Pitts, the guy everyone thinks sucks now.
#1 was George Kittle, who probably is the best TE in the NFL.
#2 was a tie between Tucker Kraft and Dawson Knox, nobody's idea of top-5 guys.
#4 was Foster Moreau, a decent 2nd TE.
#5 was Kyle Pitts, the guy everyone thinks sucks now.
MAC_32
Footballguy
He's a perfectly adequate complimentary wide receiver (in the twilight of his career), a poor blocker, doesn't create the mismatches one covets of a joker, and ultimately won't meaningfully impact what the Broncos do short and long term.
They'd be much better off with a yute.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I wouldn't put it past Sean Payton to grab Loveland at #20 or someone like Terrance Ferguson on Day 2. It's a deep class
MAC_32
Footballguy
Loveland at 20 would be a great move! Too bad they blocked him short term with this guy.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
feels as though Jax could of gotten a little value for him in the trade market
well, one thing this free agency did for Denver is NOT lock them into any one or two positions in the first few rounds... which is great! I like the idea of BPA that fits scheme.
Tho I would be super happy if they did get a great TE/RB prospect at #20. Since TEs (typically) take longer to develop than WR/RB, I'd love for them to get a top TE and let him develop alongside a quality veteran. Best case scenario... Engram has five more quality years and Loveland develops quickly. Putting two quality TEs on the field at the same time would be a great mismatch!
First time in years, I'm super excited about our Broncos
I think Denver would be more likely to get one of the 2nd tier of TEs on day 2, like Mason Taylor or Elijah Arroyo. Loveland probably doesn't even make it to #20.
yeah, all I was saying is if Loveland is at 20, don't let Engram stop you from getting Loveland. Nothing wrong with having two good TEs.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Looking at the roster, hard to argue that he's not currently the second receiving option in the offense behind only Sutton. I imagine they add another in the draft, potentially multiple. But for now, seems like a great landing spot to me as an Engram owner hoping to squeeze another year or two of fantasy relevancy out of him. Seems odd that one of the two teams universally noted as being the ideal landing spot for one of the rookie TEs would suddenly not be a good spot for Engram... Now if you're a Broncos fan, or were excited to take Warren/Loveland I can see some frustration with it hah.
You serious, Cark?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don’t think he gets past Indy at 14.
