TE Isaiah Likely, BAL (2 Viewers)

[Deamon]

So is Andrews a buy low, Likely a sell high, or are they both holds? If he’s a sell, what would you expect in return.

Sell Andrews while he still has some value. Flowers/Likely are taking over and you might get someone thinking you're overreacting to one week, even though you're not.

Andrews is cooked.

 

[MrSoup]

Likely not playing a lot of snaps today, and when he does, he’s been used to chip block the pass rush.

 

[BassNBrew]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

 

[Deamon]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

 

[cockroach]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Ljax isn't having a great game.

 

[Down Under]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

How do you figure?

 

[Deamon]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

How do you figure?

This year. Torched him last week, close this week.

30 fantasy points for Likely this year
10 fantasy points for Andrews this year.

 

[Down Under]

I still think Likely will have some good games, but Andrews is likely not toast. And other than Bateman, they really only have Hill (I don't think they dump off to RB much though) and dust. It looks like Zay is good though, and Lamar doesn't throw for 300+ often, so other receivers outside of Andrews may be hit and miss.

 

[MrSoup]

When they go back to the drawing board this week, they’ll probably come to realization that Likely should’ve been on the field a lot more.

 

[Deamon]

I still think Likely will have some good games, but Andrews is likely not toast. And other than Bateman, they really only have Hill (I don't think they dump off to RB much though) and dust. It looks like Zay is good though, and Lamar doesn't throw for 300+ often, so other receivers outside of Andrews may be hit and miss.

I dunno. I still think he falls out of the top 10 Tight Ends this year. Today didn't really help that much.

 

[The Frankman]

The main reason Likely blowup happened was the increase of 12 personnel, where Likely and Andrews were on the field at the same time. When I saw the snap numbers last week I edited my post because it seemed to show a shift in base personnel. Remember, Andrews dominates snaps where he's the only TE on the field. Last week the Ravens ran more than half their plays in 12 personnel, meaning Likely saw the field more

As Nathan Jahnke broke down, the worm done turned:

Ravens decrease 12 personnel usage: The Ravens ran 40 plays in 12 personnel this week compared to 21 snaps in 11 personnel and 11 in 21 personnel last week.


Isaiah Likely was the waiver wire pickup after his dominant Week 1, but a lot changed from last week to this week. The Ravens' distribution of formation changed significantly with 28 snaps in 11 personnel, 19 snaps in 12 personnel and 11 snaps in 21 personnel. This meant there were significantly fewer plays where both Mark Andrews and Likely were on the field at the same time.

Last week, Andrews played seven-of-eight snaps in 11 personnel in the first half, but Likely was the leader in the second half with eight-of-13. This week, we were back to Andrews being the primary tight end in 11 personnel throughout the game, playing 21-of-28 snaps while Likely played the other seven.

Likely continued to join Charlie Kolar in 22 personnel, while Kolar took most of the snaps in 21 personnel. Those are mostly rushing plays, but it meant a few pass plays with neither Likely nor Andrews.

This all added up to Likely running a route on less than half of the Ravens passing plays. Likely should stay on fantasy rosters, but it will be much harder to start him going forward.

 

[BassNBrew]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

He was ranked 4th on the week. I was expecting moar

 

[Deamon]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

He was ranked 4th on the week. I was expecting moar

I would have expected more too for sure. I was surprised FBG had him ranked that high. My only point was Andrews being disappointing this year.

 

[BassNBrew]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

He was ranked 4th on the week. I was expecting moar

I would have expected more too for sure. I was surprised FBG had him ranked that high. My only point was Andrews being disappointing this year.

Cool. Just disappointed in myself for letting popular opinions sway me from Kittle. Ride the horses you drafted.

 

[Deamon]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

He was ranked 4th on the week. I was expecting moar

I would have expected more too for sure. I was surprised FBG had him ranked that high. My only point was Andrews being disappointing this year.

Cool. Just disappointed in myself for letting popular opinions sway me from Kittle. Ride the horses you drafted.

I use Fantasypros as a backup ranking usually. They had Likely at 11 this week.

 

[BassNBrew]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

He was ranked 4th on the week. I was expecting moar

I would have expected more too for sure. I was surprised FBG had him ranked that high. My only point was Andrews being disappointing this year.

Cool. Just disappointed in myself for letting popular opinions sway me from Kittle. Ride the horses you drafted.

I use Fantasypros as a backup ranking usually. They had Likely at 11 this week.

I may need to go there.

This was really poor also.

34 DK Metcalf SEA @ NESun 1:00 PM ET 12.12
35 Marvin Harrison Jr. ARI v LARSun 4:05 PM ET

Way too much overreaction going on. Waldman had Harrison as a flat out bench as the lead to his weekly article.

 

[Deamon]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

He was ranked 4th on the week. I was expecting moar

I would have expected more too for sure. I was surprised FBG had him ranked that high. My only point was Andrews being disappointing this year.

Cool. Just disappointed in myself for letting popular opinions sway me from Kittle. Ride the horses you drafted.

I use Fantasypros as a backup ranking usually. They had Likely at 11 this week.

I may need to go there.

This was really poor also.

34 DK Metcalf SEA @ NESun 1:00 PM ET 12.12
35 Marvin Harrison Jr. ARI v LARSun 4:05 PM ET

Way too much overreaction going on. Waldman had Harrison as a flat out bench as the lead to his weekly article.

Interesting. It's weird though, were you watching the rankings throughout the week? I didn't see Likely ranked that high before this morning.

 

[BassNBrew]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

He was ranked 4th on the week. I was expecting moar

I would have expected more too for sure. I was surprised FBG had him ranked that high. My only point was Andrews being disappointing this year.

Cool. Just disappointed in myself for letting popular opinions sway me from Kittle. Ride the horses you drafted.

I use Fantasypros as a backup ranking usually. They had Likely at 11 this week.

I may need to go there.

This was really poor also.

34 DK Metcalf SEA @ NESun 1:00 PM ET 12.12
35 Marvin Harrison Jr. ARI v LARSun 4:05 PM ET

Way too much overreaction going on. Waldman had Harrison as a flat out bench as the lead to his weekly article.

Interesting. It's weird though, were you watching the rankings throughout the week? I didn't see Likely ranked that high before this morning.

In FBG defense, only one guy had him as high as 4th. It was the variance of opinion on the top 5 that pushed Likely up and not one or two guys having him in the top 3.

 

[FGITLOTR]

I still think Likely emerges in a big way the end of the year. I’m in the camp that thinks Andrew’s is washed

 

[JohnnyU]

I still think Likely emerges in a big way the end of the year. I’m in the camp that thinks Andrew’s is washed

He uses Lume.

 

[Rubi]

I think it is Likely he will have a nice game now and then but nothing consistent.
I would Likely say the same thing about Andrews
It is Likely The Ravens have found their MoJo
And that will Likely be Henry to the right...Henry to the left....Henry up the middle...LaMar to the right...LaMar to the left...LaMar short pass over the middle.

 

[Big Nate]

I still think Likely emerges in a big way the end of the year. I’m in the camp that thinks Andrew’s is washed

I agree that Likely has been earning more reps and targets because he is a good receiver. But I don't believe Andrews is washed just yet. Something is up here that they haven't let on and I'm leaning it is still the recovery from ankle surgery and the car crash.

Side note - because Likely is a good player doesn't mean Andrews is now bad. Just because people drafted/picked up Likely doesn't mean you can wish Andrews as washed. Doesn't work that way.

 

[Anarchy99]

I still think Likely emerges in a big way the end of the year. I’m in the camp that thinks Andrew’s is washed

Over the last 3 weeks, Likely's and Andrews' production COMBINED would have ranked as the fantasy TE17. Other than Week 1 when KC allowed Likely to roam free, the Ravens have mostly had the TEs block, and neither of these guys was involved all that much in the passing attack.

 

[TampaMike19]

I still think Likely emerges in a big way the end of the year. I’m in the camp that thinks Andrew’s is washed

Over the last 3 weeks, Likely's and Andrews' production COMBINED would have ranked as the fantasy TE17. Other than Week 1 when KC allowed Likely to roam free, the Ravens have mostly had the TEs block, and neither of these guys was involved all that much in the passing attack.

So we dropping?

 

[ericttspikes]

I'm keeping in dynasty. I'd also probably keep in redraft as TE is a wasteland. Talent is there, but the scheme isn't helping him this year. It's the King Henry show and TE's are blocking. Likely is also a really good blocker. I still believe he is a special talent and that Henry won't be there for long.

 

[Drake Hater]

Needs negative game scripts most likely. On the docket at Cincy this weekend?

 

[JohnnyU]

Needs negative game scripts most likely. On the docket at Cincy this weekend?

Both TEs not being targeted right now. Play someone else if you have decent options.

 

[Drake Hater]

Very nice TD reception today. Too bad he's on the bench.

 

[Dwayne Hoover]

Im a believer, just need the Ravens to follow suit a little bit more. Nice game today, i kept him in the lineup too.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Thank God for Goedert’s bye week making me start him this week!

 

[Payne]

Had to start him thanks to Engram being a wuss.

 

[TampaMike19]

I dropped him before the game- you're welcome. Still not buying the tight ends in this offense since now there are 3 of them.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Sell, Mortimer, sell!!

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Sell, Mortimer, sell!!

 

[King of the Jungle]

With BAL signing Hopkins and looking like Andrews is back this year, Likely’s 2025 prospects are fizzling. Tough to continue to be patient in dynasty, with redraft he will need an injury to someone to be moderately consistent. In the right offense I think he could be a top 5 TE, but it will be another year before that opportunity potentially presents itself.

 

[menobrown]

With BAL signing Hopkins and looking like Andrews is back this year, Likely’s 2025 prospects are fizzling. Tough to continue to be patient in dynasty, with redraft he will need an injury to someone to be moderately consistent. In the right offense I think he could be a top 5 TE, but it will be another year before that opportunity potentially presents itself.

I think Andrews might still get traded. Some talk yesterday that picking up that bonus makes him a more trade able asset as now the acquiring team inherits a $7m salary instead of $11.

They are probably trying to extend Likely and when that happens things probably ramp up with Andrews. But they'll need a good return unless he just indicates he's not happy with all the dynamics of seeing the team want to invest in his replacement and play out the final year with no future guarantees.

I don't care on iota about Hopkins.

Likely is not a tough hold. Second to worst possible case is he's got the job all to himself as a 26 year old in 2026. (the worst case is they extend both of them)

 

[King of the Jungle]

With BAL signing Hopkins and looking like Andrews is back this year, Likely’s 2025 prospects are fizzling. Tough to continue to be patient in dynasty, with redraft he will need an injury to someone to be moderately consistent. In the right offense I think he could be a top 5 TE, but it will be another year before that opportunity potentially presents itself.

I think Andrews might still get traded. Some talk yesterday that picking up that bonus makes him a more trade able asset as now the acquiring team inherits a $7m salary instead of $11.

They are probably trying to extend Likely and when that happens things probably ramp up with Andrews. But they'll need a good return unless he just indicates he's not happy with all the dynamics of seeing the team want to invest in his replacement and play out the final year with no future guarantees.

I don't care on iota about Hopkins.

Likely is not a tough hold. Second to worst possible case is he's got the job all to himself as a 26 year old in 2026. (the worst case is they extend both of them)

In my case, it is the short rosters that makes the decision hard (18 player limit). I have McBride and Hock as well. I almost want to trade Hock to hold Likely, but will be tough to do if Andrews sticks around this year. I do think the entry of Hopkins increases the chances of more 11 personal, but maybe I am reading too much into it.

 

[menobrown]

With BAL signing Hopkins and looking like Andrews is back this year, Likely’s 2025 prospects are fizzling. Tough to continue to be patient in dynasty, with redraft he will need an injury to someone to be moderately consistent. In the right offense I think he could be a top 5 TE, but it will be another year before that opportunity potentially presents itself.

I think Andrews might still get traded. Some talk yesterday that picking up that bonus makes him a more trade able asset as now the acquiring team inherits a $7m salary instead of $11.

They are probably trying to extend Likely and when that happens things probably ramp up with Andrews. But they'll need a good return unless he just indicates he's not happy with all the dynamics of seeing the team want to invest in his replacement and play out the final year with no future guarantees.

I don't care on iota about Hopkins.

Likely is not a tough hold. Second to worst possible case is he's got the job all to himself as a 26 year old in 2026. (the worst case is they extend both of them)

In my case, it is the short rosters that makes the decision hard (18 player limit). I have McBride and Hock as well. I almost want to trade Hock to hold Likely, but will be tough to do if Andrews sticks around this year. I do think the entry of Hopkins increases the chances of more 11 personal, but maybe I am reading too much into it.

The two places I own Likely are 16 player off-season rosters, 14 skill positions. So understand it's not easy but I honestly have not given not doing it any consideration and both teams carry 3 TE's out of those 14 players. One has him with Bowers and Goedert, the other he's more ideal as he's with Kelce/Goedert.

These are FFPC leagues where the TE's get 1.5 PPR and you can start 3 of them if you wish, which pardon for me telling you something you probably already know, just wanting to clarify why I value him highly despite having other good TE's.

I just don't see Hopkins keeping one of them off the field if they are both back. Depth.

 

[rockaction]

I just don't see Hopkins keeping one of them off the field if they are both back.

Is Likely more athletic than Hopkins at this point? I'd say he might be. Almost definitely.

I was wondering why Hopkins signed with a team that depends so much on the receivers knowing how Lamar scrambles and where to go on the field vs. running routes and making contested catches with those mitts. Just color me surprised.

 

[BassNBrew]

Eat up the hype from both the folks on this board and the experts. This one will smart for awhile.

Still outperforming Andrews.

Update?

 

[BassNBrew]

I just don't see Hopkins keeping one of them off the field if they are both back.

Is Likely more athletic than Hopkins at this point? I'd say he might be. Almost definitely.

I was wondering why Hopkins signed with a team that depends so much on the receivers knowing how Lamar scrambles and where to go on the field vs. running routes and making contested catches with those mitts. Just color me surprised.

Because Lamar is a better passer than Mahomes and isn't afraid to throw it more than 10 yards down the field.

 

[Faust]

Jeff Zrebiec
Harbaugh said his expectations for Isaiah Likely are to be an All Pro.

https://x.com/jeffzrebiec/status/1927797574519427287?s=61

 

[dipandglide]

What are the odds that Likely surpasses Andrews this year? He's looked great when given opportunities.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

What are the odds that Likely surpasses Andrews this year? He's looked great when given opportunities.

I think that, if both are healthy (and on the team) come September, Andrews will put up better numbers across a full season. But Likely is certainly talented enough to challenge those numbers. I'm basing my "projection" on Andrews being Jackson's most-trusted target (& his best friend on the team) and gut feel. A couple of games of Andrews being dinged, and things could easily flip.

Both are in the final year in their contracts, so it'll be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of months - a trade still isn't out of the question, though I doubt it more now than I did a month or two ago. Plus, one (or both) could get new contracts this summer.

I want Baltimore to bring both back, but it's not my money and I don't have to manage the salary cap.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Both Andrews and Likely are in their last contract years. In my opinion, the Ravens see Likely as the future at the position; however, they may want to keep both for a Super Bowl run.

The question becomes how both feel about splitting time on a contract year. I think this affects Likely more. He will want to be extended now or showcase what he can do for other teams willing to commit to him, and I think there will be teams willing to do that. How do you extend both or just one without hurting your relationship with the other, or try to get them both to wait and sell the Super Bowl run? I traded for Likely in mid-April, but my thought process was more for 2026 than 2025. Anything that happens in 2025 is a bonus for me with Likely.

The worst case would be for the Ravens to sign both; both are happy with splitting. I do not think that will happen, but that is the risk. I can not see Likely doing that. I think he wants to be a #1 tight end.

 

[JohnnyU]

Both Andrews and Likely are in their last contract years. In my opinion, the Ravens see Likely as the future at the position; however, they may want to keep both for a Super Bowl run.

The question becomes how both feel about splitting time on a contract year. I think this affects likely more. He will want to be extended now or showcase what he can do for other teams willing to commit to him, and I think there will be teams willing to do that. How do you extend both or just one without hurting your relationship with the other, or try to get them both to wait and sell the Super Bowl run? I traded for Likely in mid-April, but my thought process was more for 2026 than 2025. Anything that happens in 2025 is a bonus for me with Likely.

The worst case would be for the Ravens to sign both; both are happy with splitting. I do not think that will happen, but that is the risk. I can not see Likely doing that. I think he wants to be a #1 tight end.

I think fantasy players put more credence to players being #1 than the actual players do. A good example of this is at the RB position. I believe players like the RBBC more than fantasy players realize. The same could be true between Andrews and Likely.

 

[Boston]

Both Andrews and Likely are in their last contract years. In my opinion, the Ravens see Likely as the future at the position; however, they may want to keep both for a Super Bowl run.

The question becomes how both feel about splitting time on a contract year. I think this affects likely more. He will want to be extended now or showcase what he can do for other teams willing to commit to him, and I think there will be teams willing to do that. How do you extend both or just one without hurting your relationship with the other, or try to get them both to wait and sell the Super Bowl run? I traded for Likely in mid-April, but my thought process was more for 2026 than 2025. Anything that happens in 2025 is a bonus for me with Likely.

The worst case would be for the Ravens to sign both; both are happy with splitting. I do not think that will happen, but that is the risk. I can not see Likely doing that. I think he wants to be a #1 tight end.

I think the x-factor in everything is what type of $ they are looking for...for Likely this may be his only chance to sign for big $ so he may not be looking to give the Ravens a discount...the question for Andrews who is coming off a pretty big deal is he looking to sign one more big deal or would he rather stay in Baltimore and because of that would play for a team-friendly deal...also, the Ravens are a team that really values the TE position so I would not be shocked if they lose one of them if they used something like a second round pick on a TE to replace who they lost and now nothing has really changed too much...in the world of fantasy we like things to be cut and dry but this situation is still murky and I say that as a Likely Owner who has been sitting on him for a few years and do believe he has the potential to be a legit fantasy asset.

 

[Boston]

Both Andrews and Likely are in their last contract years. In my opinion, the Ravens see Likely as the future at the position; however, they may want to keep both for a Super Bowl run.

The question becomes how both feel about splitting time on a contract year. I think this affects likely more. He will want to be extended now or showcase what he can do for other teams willing to commit to him, and I think there will be teams willing to do that. How do you extend both or just one without hurting your relationship with the other, or try to get them both to wait and sell the Super Bowl run? I traded for Likely in mid-April, but my thought process was more for 2026 than 2025. Anything that happens in 2025 is a bonus for me with Likely.

The worst case would be for the Ravens to sign both; both are happy with splitting. I do not think that will happen, but that is the risk. I can not see Likely doing that. I think he wants to be a #1 tight end.

I think fantasy players put more credence to players being #1 than the actual players do. A good example of this is at the RB position. I believe players like the RBBC more than fantasy players realize. The same could be true between Andrews and Likely.

Especially in a culture like Baltimore when you are close to winning a title.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Both Andrews and Likely are in their last contract years. In my opinion, the Ravens see Likely as the future at the position; however, they may want to keep both for a Super Bowl run.

The question becomes how both feel about splitting time on a contract year. I think this affects likely more. He will want to be extended now or showcase what he can do for other teams willing to commit to him, and I think there will be teams willing to do that. How do you extend both or just one without hurting your relationship with the other, or try to get them both to wait and sell the Super Bowl run? I traded for Likely in mid-April, but my thought process was more for 2026 than 2025. Anything that happens in 2025 is a bonus for me with Likely.

The worst case would be for the Ravens to sign both; both are happy with splitting. I do not think that will happen, but that is the risk. I can not see Likely doing that. I think he wants to be a #1 tight end.

I think the x-factor in everything is what type of $ they are looking for...for Likely this may be his only chance to sign for big $ so he may not be looking to give the Ravens a discount...the question for Andrews who is coming off a pretty big deal is he looking to sign one more big deal or would he rather stay in Baltimore and because of that would play for a team-friendly deal...also, the Ravens are a team that really values the TE position so I would not be shocked if they lose one of them if they used something like a second round pick on a TE to replace who they lost and now nothing has really changed too much...in the world of fantasy we like things to be cut and dry but this situation is still murky and I say that as a Likely Owner who has been sitting on him for a few years and do believe he has the potential to be a legit fantasy asset.

They have Charlie Kolar, who's also on the last year of his contract and was a talented pass-catcher in college but just hasn't been able to crack the Andrews/Likely roadblock in front of him. I expect Kolar and at least one of the others to re-sign. If that happens, I doubt they'd burn a high pick on another TE (I have no clue what next year's draft looks like for TEs and maybe someone falls who they really like).

Hell, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Both Andrews and Likely are in their last contract years. In my opinion, the Ravens see Likely as the future at the position; however, they may want to keep both for a Super Bowl run.

The question becomes how both feel about splitting time on a contract year. I think this affects likely more. He will want to be extended now or showcase what he can do for other teams willing to commit to him, and I think there will be teams willing to do that. How do you extend both or just one without hurting your relationship with the other, or try to get them both to wait and sell the Super Bowl run? I traded for Likely in mid-April, but my thought process was more for 2026 than 2025. Anything that happens in 2025 is a bonus for me with Likely.

The worst case would be for the Ravens to sign both; both are happy with splitting. I do not think that will happen, but that is the risk. I can not see Likely doing that. I think he wants to be a #1 tight end.

I think fantasy players put more credence to players being #1 than the actual players do. A good example of this is at the RB position. I believe players like the RBBC more than fantasy players realize. The same could be true between Andrews and Likely.

More of a money contract issue. Not a #1 or #2. There will be a monetary difference between the contracts. One is coming off a rookie deal; the other will be a free agent. Technically, both are free agents, of course. I doubt both will get paid like top-end tight ends, or normally, that is not how it works. Maybe Andrews will take less due to age and other factors, but I doubt it since teams still value him as a top tight end. I don't know for sure. Likely is valued pretty high as potentially a top tight end. We will see what happens, but most likely, one will not be a Raven in 2026. 2025 is a different story. Of course, there are franchise tags, but that is getting way ahead of ourselves.