BassNBrew
Footballguy
Problem is he's going sooner than TE20 50% of the time.
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Problem is he's going sooner than TE20 50% of the time.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He shouldn’t be counted on as anyone’s TE2 in 2022.
In redraft, he is a speculative pick up to see what his week 1 usage is. If his snap share is high, there might be something to see if you can spare the roster spot. If not, that roster spot is an easy churn. In dynasty, imo, rookie TEs are best suited for taxi squads, if your league has them, to see if there's anything for next season.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
JohnnyU
Footballguy
No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a fantasy TE2 yet, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change however.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Many teams have more than one very good TE in general 12 team 22 - 26 player rosters. Thus having a good TE2.No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Many teams have more than one very good TE in general 12 team 22 - 26 player rosters. Thus having a good TE2.No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
And many others don’t, though our definitions of “very good” might vary.
So at that point why not take a shot on Likely upside?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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i wouldn’t drop a Goedert, Hurst, or Freiermuth for him. All 3 are my TE 2 in two 12 team 24 man rosters and one 26 man rosters.Many teams have more than one very good TE in general 12 team 22 - 26 player rosters. Thus having a good TE2.No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
And many others don’t, though our definitions of “very good” might vary.
So at that point why not take a shot on Likely upside?
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Goedert is TE9 and Freiermuth is TE11 based on ADP, they are not TE2s in 12 team leagues.P
i wouldn’t drop a Goedert, Hurst, or Freiermuth for him.Many teams have more than one very good TE in general 12 team 22 - 26 player rosters. Thus having a good TE2.No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
And many others don’t, though our definitions of “very good” might vary.
So at that point why not take a shot on Likely upside?
Hurst is borderline - he’s in a better offense, but he’ll never be more than the 4th option in Cincy’s passing game. I could go either way there.
I’m thinking more of uninspiring TD or bust guys or guys with limited upside or in shaky offenses that are being drafted as TE2s. Think Hunter Henry, Njoku, Fant, Albert O, Everett, those types.
Depending on who your starter is, why not take an early speculative shot at upside, knowing that regular backup TEs are a dime a dozen on most leagues WWs?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I‘m more comfortable with Likely as my 3rd TE. I have 6 of him too.Goedert is TE9 and Freiermuth is TE11 based on ADP, they are not TE2s in 12 team leagues.P
i wouldn’t drop a Goedert, Hurst, or Freiermuth for him.Many teams have more than one very good TE in general 12 team 22 - 26 player rosters. Thus having a good TE2.No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
And many others don’t, though our definitions of “very good” might vary.
So at that point why not take a shot on Likely upside?
Hurst is borderline - he’s in a better offense, but he’ll never be more than the 4th option in Cincy’s passing game. I could go either way there.
I’m thinking more of uninspiring TD or bust guys or guys with limited upside or in shaky offenses that are being drafted as TE2s. Think Hunter Henry, Njoku, Fant, Albert O, Everett, those types.
Depending on who your starter is, why not take an early speculative shot at upside, knowing that regular backup TEs are a dime a dozen on most leagues WWs?
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VikingFrog
Footballguy
Because I’d probably have to start him week 1.
Which I might if I’m feeling frisky!
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Can’t say I’d advise it necessarily, but hey it is the Jets!
I might have to as well if Ertz doesn’t play
FairWarning
Footballguy
I’m deciding between him and Kmet in a ppr.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Is it likely Likely scores a TD?
socrates
Footballguy
I like Likely this week as a likely flex. It seems likely that Likely will put up like 3-5 receptions, and I like Likely's ability after the catch, but I am not sure how likely Likely is to find the endzone. (Like maybe 20% likely that Likely scores a TD this week.)
Deamon
Footballguy
1. Why would you drop a Goedert/Freimuth for him? No one is putting him in this range, and the guys you mentioned are TE1's.
2. Most people don't play in 24-26 Redraft roster leagues. I'd say that percentage is like under 1%. 15 for shallow, 20 for deep is approximately the standard.... 24-26 is an extreme extreme outlier.
3. The fact that you're calling TE's 13-24 "VERY GOOD" is not something I agree with. Take a look at the ones ranked in the late teens/early 20s.
I would start Kmet easily over LIkely this week. Wouldn't even be a debate.
Deamon
Footballguy
Not Likely.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Feels like the type of play where if I start him he does nothing, and if I sit him he Likely goes off.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Ugh. I'm thinking about cutting him now, just to avoid having to read these posts all season.
I am sure you are likely kidding.
Deamon
Footballguy
I-Say-A Likely outcome of this would be you regretting it.
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TampaMike19
Footballguy
Spent 70% faab in dynasty to acquire him. Why do we have bias' towards players that make us perform actions like this? I flat out ignored the guy because he's a backup TE and Mark Andrews and his long extension is in front of him. Oops.
Got to admit I was following him in preseason but didn't draft him. And he is still available in my league now. I wouldk have to dump one of Hines, Gainwell, George Pickens or Nico Collins to take him. And I have Pitts as my starting TE. No backup TE though. Kinda want to see how everyone performs before making this move but of coursde if he has a great game I likely (pun intended) miss out.
Deamon
Footballguy
God no. Don't do this.
He's solid or worth a gamble in dynasty or 20+ roster spot leagues, but yours isn't that.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
“it's not just his receiving that is so exciting
it's the big increase in 2+ TE sets the Ravens will be able to finally use frequently again...and which Lamar dominated from in 2019
last 2 yrs they cut the 2+ TE rate in half & these were very inefficient”
Someone really needs to teach me how to post a tweet efficiently.
cantstop1999
Footballguy
I drafted him, 18 round draft, he’s goi to end up being there 3rd wr , after Andrews and Bateman there’s no one. I would drop collins, just one guy’s opinion. I think he has an amazing rookie season
The Frankman
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Goedert is TE9 and Freiermuth is TE11 based on ADP, they are not TE2s in 12 team leagues.P
i wouldn’t drop a Goedert, Hurst, or Freiermuth for him.Many teams have more than one very good TE in general 12 team 22 - 26 player rosters. Thus having a good TE2.No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
And many others don’t, though our definitions of “very good” might vary.
So at that point why not take a shot on Likely upside?
Hurst is borderline - he’s in a better offense, but he’ll never be more than the 4th option in Cincy’s passing game. I could go either way there.
I’m thinking more of uninspiring TD or bust guys or guys with limited upside or in shaky offenses that are being drafted as TE2s. Think Hunter Henry, Njoku, Fant, Albert O, Everett, those types.
Depending on who your starter is, why not take an early speculative shot at upside, knowing that regular backup TEs are a dime a dozen on most leagues WWs?
Because due to injury I had to start TE2 this week Everett. Difference between a W and an L. I know it's early in the season, but interesting how a 16th round pick decision already impacted the W/L record. I feel for the guys who drafted Likely and are looking at needing him next week. Do you cut him or stick with that horse next week?
He got 4 targets. I would hold. It can take a while for rookies to get going. Even Justin Jefferson wasn't a think for the first three games of his rookie season. I can't imagine there is anything on the waiver wire that is much better.Goedert is TE9 and Freiermuth is TE11 based on ADP, they are not TE2s in 12 team leagues.P
i wouldn’t drop a Goedert, Hurst, or Freiermuth for him.Many teams have more than one very good TE in general 12 team 22 - 26 player rosters. Thus having a good TE2.No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
And many others don’t, though our definitions of “very good” might vary.
So at that point why not take a shot on Likely upside?
Hurst is borderline - he’s in a better offense, but he’ll never be more than the 4th option in Cincy’s passing game. I could go either way there.
I’m thinking more of uninspiring TD or bust guys or guys with limited upside or in shaky offenses that are being drafted as TE2s. Think Hunter Henry, Njoku, Fant, Albert O, Everett, those types.
Depending on who your starter is, why not take an early speculative shot at upside, knowing that regular backup TEs are a dime a dozen on most leagues WWs?
Because due to injury I had to start TE2 this week Everett. Difference between a W and an L. I know it's early in the season, but interesting how a 16th round pick decision already impacted the W/L record. I feel for the guys who drafted Likely and are looking at needing him next week. Do you cut him or stick with that horse next week?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
He got 4 targets. I would hold. It can take a while for rookies to get going. Even Justin Jefferson wasn't a think for the first three games of his rookie season. I can't imagine there is anything on the waiver wire that is much better.Goedert is TE9 and Freiermuth is TE11 based on ADP, they are not TE2s in 12 team leagues.P
i wouldn’t drop a Goedert, Hurst, or Freiermuth for him.Many teams have more than one very good TE in general 12 team 22 - 26 player rosters. Thus having a good TE2.No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
And many others don’t, though our definitions of “very good” might vary.
So at that point why not take a shot on Likely upside?
Hurst is borderline - he’s in a better offense, but he’ll never be more than the 4th option in Cincy’s passing game. I could go either way there.
I’m thinking more of uninspiring TD or bust guys or guys with limited upside or in shaky offenses that are being drafted as TE2s. Think Hunter Henry, Njoku, Fant, Albert O, Everett, those types.
Depending on who your starter is, why not take an early speculative shot at upside, knowing that regular backup TEs are a dime a dozen on most leagues WWs?
Because due to injury I had to start TE2 this week Everett. Difference between a W and an L. I know it's early in the season, but interesting how a 16th round pick decision already impacted the W/L record. I feel for the guys who drafted Likely and are looking at needing him next week. Do you cut him or stick with that horse next week?
In the Interlard Challenge where there are 5 copies of every player between 60 teams the wire looks like this
Howard - 5 copies
Hill - 4 copies
Conklin - 4 copies
hurst - 3 copies
Higbee - 1 copy
Thomas - 2 copies
Tonyan - 2 copies
If I'm sitting on Kittle and need a replacement this week, it's going to be hard to play Likely instead of dropping him and picking up one of these guys. Now if my starter is Kelce then it's a different conversation.
Higbee, Hurst and Thomas are the only ones I'd be interested in from this list. Hurst looked great but they have so many mouths to feed. Thomas and Higbee should get a decent amount of targets each game.He got 4 targets. I would hold. It can take a while for rookies to get going. Even Justin Jefferson wasn't a think for the first three games of his rookie season. I can't imagine there is anything on the waiver wire that is much better.Goedert is TE9 and Freiermuth is TE11 based on ADP, they are not TE2s in 12 team leagues.P
i wouldn’t drop a Goedert, Hurst, or Freiermuth for him.Many teams have more than one very good TE in general 12 team 22 - 26 player rosters. Thus having a good TE2.No, I didn’t miss where you have Pitts. I just said Likely isn a TE2, or at least probably not in most people’s mind at this time. That could change howeve.Did you miss the part that I have Pitts? I'll start him for 1 week a year unless Pitts gets hurt...and then I'm hosed anyway
Thing is TE2 in general is such garbage. It’s basically TD or bust for most of these guys. Why not take a chance on a potential cheat code-ish slot WR listed as a TE?
Best case scenario is rookie Marques Colston 2.0. At worst you flip him for some other plug and pray option at backup TE on the WW
And many others don’t, though our definitions of “very good” might vary.
So at that point why not take a shot on Likely upside?
Hurst is borderline - he’s in a better offense, but he’ll never be more than the 4th option in Cincy’s passing game. I could go either way there.
I’m thinking more of uninspiring TD or bust guys or guys with limited upside or in shaky offenses that are being drafted as TE2s. Think Hunter Henry, Njoku, Fant, Albert O, Everett, those types.
Depending on who your starter is, why not take an early speculative shot at upside, knowing that regular backup TEs are a dime a dozen on most leagues WWs?
Because due to injury I had to start TE2 this week Everett. Difference between a W and an L. I know it's early in the season, but interesting how a 16th round pick decision already impacted the W/L record. I feel for the guys who drafted Likely and are looking at needing him next week. Do you cut him or stick with that horse next week?
In the Interlard Challenge where there are 5 copies of every player between 60 teams the wire looks like this
Howard - 5 copies
Hill - 4 copies
Conklin - 4 copies
hurst - 3 copies
Higbee - 1 copy
Thomas - 2 copies
Tonyan - 2 copies
If I'm sitting on Kittle and need a replacement this week, it's going to be hard to play Likely instead of dropping him and picking up one of these guys. Now if my starter is Kelce then it's a different conversation.
What does "copies" mean?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
60 team league so there are 5 iterations / copies of each player. When you get to fringe players you might see three copies rostered and 2 copies available to be picked up as free agents.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I wasn’t able to watch the game. So I have no idea how high quality these targets were. But the targets seem inspiring to hold.
Likely and Kmet are my tight ends. So at least I didn’t make the wrong decision on who to start.
Likely and Kmet are my tight ends. So at least I didn’t make the wrong decision on who to start.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I’ve been searching and can’t seem to find video of his targets. And I don’t have The Ticket to rewatch the game.
Anyone watch the game and can chime in how he looked. I know zero catches, but wondering if they were drops, or rough passes or bad passes.
Short routes? WR routes? Endzone?
4 targets in your first nfl game at tight end is nothing to sneeze at.
Obviously a big donut is nothing to be excited about either.
Was just someone who watched the game could fill me in, as he’s my most droppable player and trying to make a waiver decision on upgrading at TE via waivers or free agency tonight.
Anyone watch the game and can chime in how he looked. I know zero catches, but wondering if they were drops, or rough passes or bad passes.
Short routes? WR routes? Endzone?
4 targets in your first nfl game at tight end is nothing to sneeze at.
Obviously a big donut is nothing to be excited about either.
Was just someone who watched the game could fill me in, as he’s my most droppable player and trying to make a waiver decision on upgrading at TE via waivers or free agency tonight.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
2 were TE screens that were bad throws. I don’t remember the other 2.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Same in a bunch of my redraft best ball leagues. I thought I was smart for taking them late...didn't feel too smart after last weekendI wasn’t able to watch the game. So I have no idea how high quality these targets were. But the targets seem inspiring to hold.
Likely and Kmet are my tight ends. So at least I didn’t make the wrong decision on who to start.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not necessarily ready to start on fantasy teams, but he is probably the best TE dynasty stash.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Agreed with best dynasty TE stash. But we may need to follow up with @Football Jones to see if he takes that top spot from Rico Gathers.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Will be interested to see his WK 2 alignment data. Week 1 he matched Andrews by being in the Slot 3x as much as inline.
Snaps have been 45-25 and 49-21. You can ignore Oliver’s snaps as he is online blocking and runs few routes.
Snaps have been 45-25 and 49-21. You can ignore Oliver’s snaps as he is online blocking and runs few routes.
Football Jones
Footballguy
LOL. Long live Rico.
As far as Likely, I usually do a rookie mock for my dynasty league & I actually had him going in our 1st round in my initial mock in March, although, I eventually moved him out with updates.
Likely is slower than molasses for a 240-pounder (he's got a funky gate), but moves well if that makes sense. I was really surprised he went so late in the NFL draft, especially being the 2nd TE the Ravens drafted. Far from an ideal situation with Andrews there, though. Likely could be hindered quite a while, but he's a legit LT stash (at least right now) if you're willing to sit on him.
Football Jones
Footballguy
To add, unfortunately, Likely might be a sleeper in the worst way. Anyone hoping for him to break out in '25 after Andrews leaves is likely (pun intended) to be disappointed. Right now, there's slim to no chance they let Andrews walk in '25 at 30 years old unless he declines (unLikely).
We could be looking at 2028 or so before he gets featured at the TE position. He probably went to the worst place possible.
The best outlook is for Likely to carve out a significant role as the 2nd TE, but that's much, MUCH, easier said than done. Just have to hold & cross your fingers.
We could be looking at 2028 or so before he gets featured at the TE position. He probably went to the worst place possible.
The best outlook is for Likely to carve out a significant role as the 2nd TE, but that's much, MUCH, easier said than done. Just have to hold & cross your fingers.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Likely might not even be with Ravens after his rookie contract ends after the 2025 season. So I wouldn’t be talking about 2028.
