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TE Jimmy Graham, CHI (1 Viewer)
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rugcleaner
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You watched a highlight video looking for bad throws? I might start there with my issues.
Conan Troutman
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Graham pretty much disappeared, but I wouldn't panic if I owned him anywhere. He's primarily a red zone weapon these days and the Packers had few snaps in the red zone. Allison and Cobb won't score from 50+ yards most weeks, the TDs will come - yards may be a different story of course.
Wise Old Owl
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Milkman
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kutta
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LionOfGosforth
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Didn't see the game but figured this may have been game-flow, perhaps he did a lot of blocking to allow Rodgers time to push the ball down-field in a hurry. I'm already considering dumping him in the one league I have him in for Kittle.
LionOfGosforth
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Yeah I hear ya. They really didn't have any red zone snaps which is about the only place i'd guess he will excel this year. I figured pre-season if the chips fell right, he could hit double-digit tds.
Well, you were wrong. Now he's with a QB that can get him the ball. All the BS about only a redzone threat was always stupid to begin with. If you can catch TDs, you can catch anywhere on the field. Just a really dumb no basis argument some people were making. There's a lot of mouths to feed in GB and he's not the focal point like Gronk or like when he was in NO but he obviously can still make plays anywhere on the field just as I suspected. TD called back on a holding penalty. 15.8 YPC. That's not a guy that is washed up.
Milkman
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I respectfully disagree. Aaron maybe will be able to help Jimmy turn back the clock. That's definitely possible but it's also possible he can use his size to be an elite red zone threat and not be the same level threat in between the 20's.
Wise Old Owl
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Still not seeing that 10 TD "floor"
Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah the Rodgers injury is hurting the entire offense. Skins got a legit D too.
You were right @Wise Old Owl he's not very good in this offense. It was dumb for me to think that an elite red zone option like Graham would do well in GB where they throw more than almost anybody inside the 5 and had just cut Jordy Nelson. So dumb.
You were right @Wise Old Owl he's not very good in this offense. It was dumb for me to think that an elite red zone option like Graham would do well in GB where they throw more than almost anybody inside the 5 and had just cut Jordy Nelson. So dumb.
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Dinkle Heimer
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Graham was heavily targeted today with all the recent injuries to the WRs and had a decent showing. 6 for 76 is good, but you have to wonder if his target share is going to get better than it was today. He looks like he will exceed his yardage total and maybe his reception total from last year; but his 10 TD total from 2017 seems like a long shot.
I haven't watched the Packers play, but I'm wondering if he is struggling to "connect" with Rodgers in the same way he did with Wilson. I'm thinking Graham's 'eliteness' relied on his incredible athletic ability and Brees, earlier in his career, more than most realized. He dropped quite a few passes in Seattle and I think his unwillingness to mix it up as a physical route runner generated a lack of confidence.
Maybe Rodgers isn't all that accomplished of a thrower (this is blatant sarcasm from an earlier comment on Wilson).
I haven't watched the Packers play, but I'm wondering if he is struggling to "connect" with Rodgers in the same way he did with Wilson. I'm thinking Graham's 'eliteness' relied on his incredible athletic ability and Brees, earlier in his career, more than most realized. He dropped quite a few passes in Seattle and I think his unwillingness to mix it up as a physical route runner generated a lack of confidence.
Maybe Rodgers isn't all that accomplished of a thrower (this is blatant sarcasm from an earlier comment on Wilson).
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Had a bad drop in the end zone on a scramble drill throw from Rodgers, little contact from a lions defender but graham should have had it. Then they did run a fade and the timing did seem off, Rodgers threw it more back shoulder and Graham just wasn’t ready for it, maybe if Rodgers puts a little more air on it then graham woulda had more time to adjust to catch it
Dinkle Heimer
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I didn't see that, but it sounds familiar. The biggest frustration in Seattle was how he would frequently alligator arm catch attempts across the middle; sometimes with DBs giving him a sizeable cushion.
Aznflyer14
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This is all on Graham... He should have easily caught the pass from Rodgers but instead, it went through his hands.Bfrahm3 said:
LionOfGosforth
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From a target (11 in the game) and opportunity (injuries galore to the WR corp) perspective, not to mention game-flow, hard to imagine it getting better than Sunday. He did have one sensational catch but otherwise, not really in-sync with Rodgers. I mis-judged this situation, thought the potential was there for 800ish yards and double digit tds. Keeping Kittle in my lineup for the foreseeable future.
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Hairy Snowman
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Still faster than Gates.sjdogs said:
That is like saying my 75 year old grandma is faster than my 80 year old grandma.
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Hairy Snowman
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Doesn't make it less true. lol.
He is a TE not a WR. I am happy if a TE catches the ball. Kelce is a freak.
There was a time Graham was freakish too. But, like you said, older than dirt.
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Aznflyer14
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Yet Gates still commands red-zone targets from Rivers (probably due to their huge chemistry and connection). It's painfully clear that Rodgers will always target Adams more than any other of his new receivers especially in red zone.
CalBear
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Rodgers will target who's open, probably more than any other QB in the league.
Amazing Rodgers stats I just found looking into this: He's thrown 774 passes in the red zone. 281 (28%) went for TDs. He's thrown only 8 INTs in the red zone in his career.
On third and fourth down he's even better: 72 TDs on 217 passes (33%).
Aznflyer14
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Rhythmdoctor
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Max Power
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Trying to gauge his dynasty value at the moment. I thought moving him to a contender in a 16 team for a first was reasonable. Overall pick in the 12-16 of a rookie draft. But no bites. I dont think I'd take a second in the 28-32 range. I'm in the camp who thinks he has a year or two in the tank and with Rodgers he does have a 10 TD a year upside.
Mookie
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I think last offseason he was worth a 16-24 type pick due to his potential upside in the GB offense. Now that we have some history showing that he's very good, but not blowing up into anything special, I think his dynasty value has diminished (25-35). His production is low end TE1 and is clustered in with a bunch of younger TEs like Burton, Njoku, Rudolph, Hooper. Owners of those guys are not going to pay for Graham. His short window also makes him a non-consideration for rebuilding teams or teams looking to get younger, so that limits potential trade partners. It's going to be tough to offload him.
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