Lansdowne
Footballguy
I was considering trading for Jonnu in my dynasty league where I'm desperate for TE help, but I think I'll hold off on that. Big downgrade going to the Steelers offense where he'd split with Freiermuth.
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TE Jonnu Smith, PIT (3 Viewers)
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steelcityman
Footballguy
or buy him cheap now, before he doesnt get traded to pittsburgh, but this news is making its way around the twittersphere.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Please god no.
Yes. I'd love it for Pittsburgh if it happened but makes projecting their TE situation for fantasy difficult.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
agree unless it's a te swap which I'd hope for since I have Pat D. and the idea of him catching passes from TUA until he gets a concussion is enticing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This.
I dunno, unless he works it out with the Dolphins any other place is a little to a whole lot worse. There is a reason he was an 8th year breakout and if goes back to the role/usage he had his first 7 years he's hardly worth wasting a roster spot on.
In other words going to Pittsburgh is not the potential issue. Any scenario he leaves Miami is god awful for him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I can think of a couple teams where it could be more of a lateral, but in general I agree. That said, I'm a little bit skeptical the Dolphins move him. He was a pretty integral part of their offense last year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Man, thinking more about this, such a move might send the 'Muth truthers out there off a cliff. I remember offering a future 1st for 'Muth at one point in a TE-P league a couple of years back and not only being rejected, but in such a way that questioned my sanity for even offering.
Anyway, hopefully this is smoke with no fire and Jonnu stays with the Dolphins. Dude was literally their only pro-bowler last year.
Anyway, hopefully this is smoke with no fire and Jonnu stays with the Dolphins. Dude was literally their only pro-bowler last year.
Jonnu is a tough call, because he's a pretty limited TE. He's only good against zone defenses, when he's schemed touches. Its why he didn't work out in NE at all. He's not a good route runner, and most offenses aren't gonna accommodate that like Miami did last year, and its arguable it was to their detriment, and they should have been scheming more to Hill/Waddle, even if it was shorter stuff.Man, thinking more about this, such a move might send the 'Muth truthers out there off a cliff. I remember offering a future 1st for 'Muth at one point in a TE-P league a couple of years back and not only being rejected, but in such a way that questioned my sanity for even offering.
Anyway, hopefully this is smoke with no fire and Jonnu stays with the Dolphins. Dude was literally their only pro-bowler last year.
I will say it could speak to what the Steelers want in the position though. Jonnu is WAY better than Muth after the catch. Muth is a better blocker, and 3 years younger so a swap could make sense for both sides. Darnell Washington also is a bit of a RAC guy, so maybe that's more the direction they want to go at the position, but they also just extended Freiermuth so...?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Interesting. Hadn’t thought of it in the context of a TE for TE swap.Jonnu is a tough call, because he's a pretty limited TE. He's only good against zone defenses, when he's schemed touches. Its why he didn't work out in NE at all. He's not a good route runner, and most offenses aren't gonna accommodate that like Miami did last year, and its arguable it was to their detriment, and they should have been scheming more to Hill/Waddle, even if it was shorter stuff.Man, thinking more about this, such a move might send the 'Muth truthers out there off a cliff. I remember offering a future 1st for 'Muth at one point in a TE-P league a couple of years back and not only being rejected, but in such a way that questioned my sanity for even offering.
Anyway, hopefully this is smoke with no fire and Jonnu stays with the Dolphins. Dude was literally their only pro-bowler last year.
I will say it could speak to what the Steelers want in the position though. Jonnu is WAY better than Muth after the catch. Muth is a better blocker, and 3 years younger so a swap could make sense for both sides. Darnell Washington also is a bit of a RAC guy, so maybe that's more the direction they want to go at the position, but they also just extended Freiermuth so...?
I’d still hate it.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Woke up to Terry McLaurin to the Steelers talk today. Following the Steelers is a full time job, and its getting kind of ridiculous.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Please god no, pt 2: the electric boogaloo
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Washington trading him is as likely as Rodgers being sponsored by Pfizer.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Spot on. Terry is the face of the franchise; they love him off the field as much as what he does on it. He will retire a Redskin/Commander, book it!
steelcityman
Footballguy
Yeah, I have no idea where that even came from, but i think once it made its round on the local media, people knew it was BS.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Sounds like Steelers, or better yet the media, are off the J Smith trade bus, and the Steelers are hosting Gabe Davis for a visit this week. oh JOY!!!
The Steelers appear to be out but other then that nothing changed from Shefters initial post saying Miami was seeking a trade partner.
It's actually kind of funny to me that Rosenhaus comment's that Jonnu would prefer to remain in Miami seemed to make some people think the trade talk had blown over but in Shefters initial tweet on this he specifically said that Jonnu prefference was to remain in Miami so Drew really did not say anything new.
So seems to me money remains the issue, I'd guess Steelers could not work out agreements with Jonnu on the deal and/or Miami on terms, but if Miami does not give him the deal he wants a trade is still very likely to go down.
Same, or I should say what TE they acquire.
bluemanfoo
Footballguy
I'm more interested in the plays Arthur Smith is dying to run out of 3 TE sets .
efactor
Footballguy
Ugggg. I just drafted him in an FFPC startup last week
Oh well, as a wise man once said, "shiot happens"
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
How dare you!? He's gonna get at least 4 backwards pitchouts a game on jet sweeps that used to be ear marked for Cordarelle Patterson.
What are you talking about I foresee them mimicking the KC Chiefs T-Rex four TE sets.
Look at the offensive linemen on this old play.
It's a different game it's a different world when they get to eat
dipandglide
Footballguy
Elijah Higgins one time!
irish eyes
Footballguy
Not only fantasy killer, just plain offense killer.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jonnu Smith Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Jonnu Smith. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
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-8 years in the NFL, had a career year last season in Miami as both Hill and Waddle failed to reach 1,000 yds receiving
-6 of his 8 NFL seasons he has failed to reach 500 yds receiving
-6 of his 8 NFL seasons he has failed to score more than 2-3 TDs
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Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I don't that is really a great picture of his career though. It might work to describe him from a fantasy perspective, but not a football one.Jonnu Smith Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Jonnu Smith. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
-8 years in the NFL, had a career year last season in Miami as both Hill and Waddle failed to reach 1,000 yds receiving
-6 of his 8 NFL seasons he has failed to reach 500 yds receiving
-6 of his 8 NFL seasons he has failed to score more than 2-3 TDs
In his first 2 years in the league he did very little, but that is not atypical for a TE. The next 2 seasons in Tenn were under Smith and he was a good receiving TE. Low volume passing offense, so not huge numbers but he was efficient and most of his metric numbers are decent to good. The exception to this are hands numbers. He then wen on to 2 horrible years in New England. These were horrible offenses all around. He did not play well, he did not put up decent stats or underlying metrics. 1 year back with Smith in Atlanta and he was similar to his 19 and 20 seasons. Last year was huge from a numbers perspective, but I think that was mostly a function of circumstances. He did have good years in terms of low drops and a high contested catch rate.
He has had ups and downs, but has spent a lot of time in bad offense and even more in low volume offenses. He is overall a good receiving TE. He is a good route runner and generates some separation. He plays out of the slot well. He excels at generating YAC, but is prone to fumbles. That pairs with a generally high drop % and low contested catch rate in his career. He has become at least a decent pass blocker, but is a bad run blocker.
As a football player. He is a decent offensive weapon. He should improve Pittsburgh's offense. I think he can project for slightly better numbers than his typical Smith seasons. I am saying 50 catches for 600 yards and 4TD's. For a fantasy TE. Not very exciting, but useable.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Definitely worth rostering, especially in TEP.
And I’ll add to your post that TDs are mercurial, and you just never know - maybe ARod keys in on his TEs in the RZ. If he’s got those same numbers but 8 TD instead of 4 he’s even more useful.
