Team O Chess (1 Viewer)

[Psychopav]

Otello, I think there's consensus here.

 

[otello]

Black

I like Bd7 here.

Alternatives include c5, cxb5 (they would take with knight, which would be a strong piece)

I do not like Bh6. They would likely move Q to b file.

White:

Rb3 is immediate reaction. I do not like moving our centralized knight on e4 to attack queen, although they could throw a check at us with the queen, which we need to consider.

Black: I like cxb here, especially if they take with the knight. The isolated a pawn could come back to haunt them in the endgame. And if we want to we can chase the knight away with Bd7. If weplay Bd7 now they could play dxc, we play bxc, they play a4 and we have an isolated a pawn and their b pawn is a passed pawn which sucks for us.

White: I really like rd1 here. I think the rook belongs there anyway.

My regular caveat applies - I'm not super hard over on anything yet.

I agree with all of this. cxb5 black

rd1 white

Any other thoughts? We still have some time.

 

[otello]

Otello, I think there's consensus here.

I agree, I just want to see if anyone else has any thoughts. I intend to move later today.

 

[otello]

No other views. I am making these moves.

 

[otello]

cxb5 black

rd1 white

Moves have been made

 

[otello]

Black

They moved Nxb5

Bd7 is a good response, attacking knight. I think that they will either move knight or protect with R.

We want to move b6 to protect a pawn as well, probably after that.

Also, they still have not castled.

 

[otello]

Up

 

[dancingbones]

Black

They moved Nxb5

Bd7 is a good response, attacking knight. I think that they will either move knight or protect with R.

We want to move b6 to protect a pawn as well, probably after that.

Also, they still have not castled.

I think I like b6 here, with an eye to parking our white bishop on a6.

 

[kutta]

Black

They moved Nxb5

Bd7 is a good response, attacking knight. I think that they will either move knight or protect with R.

We want to move b6 to protect a pawn as well, probably after that.

Also, they still have not castled.

I think I like b6 here, with an eye to parking our white bishop on a3.

I am ok with this. I might prefer the bishop on d7, but I'm fine with a3

 

[otello]

Black

They moved Nxb5

Bd7 is a good response, attacking knight. I think that they will either move knight or protect with R.

We want to move b6 to protect a pawn as well, probably after that.

Also, they still have not castled.

I think I like b6 here, with an eye to parking our white bishop on a3.

I am ok with this. I might prefer the bishop on d7, but I'm fine with a3

Kutta, do you prefer b6 or Bd7?

 

[Psychopav]

Otello, your move list for black is wrong at the bottom.

 

[otello]

White

They moved Qd5

 

[otello]

Otello, your move list for black is wrong at the bottom.

Should be fixed now. Thanks.

 

[kutta]

Black: I think I like Bd7 here best. I think b6 might be a good spot for our queen, and I like the idea of chasing away the knight right now if we want to.

White: I think nf6 is pretty good. They have to take with the knight then we take. We then have the threat of Bc4, qxb, nb5. There is a lot there and a lot of checks for him so it might not work, but either way I think we have to play nf6. Or I guess nc3 is pretty good here too.

 

[otello]

White

They moved Qd5

Qd3 is a solid move.Nf6+ also jumps out at me, which would be followed by knight takes, pawn takes, putting our pawn on f6. If you are black, what would be your next move? Bc5? Nc6?

 

[otello]

Bd7 is the current choice as black. Any other thoughts, team?

 

[kutta]

White

They moved Qd5

Qd3 is a solid move.Nf6+ also jumps out at me, which would be followed by knight takes, pawn takes, putting our pawn on f6. If you are black, what would be your next move? Bc5? Nc6?

I think they play Bc5 next. And I'm getting a little worried in this game. I think we waited too king to attack and they might be able to start trading off pieces and if that happens they have a winning end game.

 

[otello]

Black: I think I like Bd7 here best. I think b6 might be a good spot for our queen, and I like the idea of chasing away the knight right now if we want to.

White: I think nf6 is pretty good. They have to take with the knight then we take. We then have the threat of Bc4, qxb, nb5. There is a lot there and a lot of checks for him so it might not work, but either way I think we have to play nf6. Or I guess nc3 is pretty good here too.

WhiteWhat about Nf6 as our next move? If we play Qd3 now, what would you do as black?

 

[Psychopav]

White

What about Qf2 here?

 

[Psychopav]

Black

Bh6 looks interesting.

 

[otello]

White

What about Qf2 here?

Doesn't that hang our knight on e4?

 

[otello]

Black

Bh6 looks interesting.

what do you think their response is? Qb2?

 

[Psychopav]

White

What about Qf2 here?

Doesn't that hang our knight on e4?

Damn. It does, but I thought I saw a line last night from there but now I don't see it.

In that case, I like Nf6.

 

[Psychopav]

Black

Bh6 looks interesting.

what do you think their response is? Qb2?

Probably, in which case moving the bishop back to g7 might not be a terrible move, or leave it there and hang on to that diagonal. I don't think it particularly weakens our defensive position in the corner.

The other option for them would be g5, which I think would be ok for us as long as we kept a handle on the h2-b1 diagonal.

 

[dancingbones]

White

They moved Qd5

Qd3 is a solid move.Nf6+ also jumps out at me, which would be followed by knight takes, pawn takes, putting our pawn on f6. If you are black, what would be your next move? Bc5? Nc6?

I like Qd3 here. Our knight on e4 is protecting our e5 pawn, and I think that is our best opportunity for a trap right now, and we should definitely hang on to it. Knights screw people up in the worst way, IMO.

I think the moves would go

16. Qd3 Bb4+

17. Kf2

From here, if they castle, I still like the look of our attack.

17. Kf2 O-O

18. Be2 Nc6 ?

19. Bf3

Qd3 is the play here, I think.

 

[dancingbones]

Bd7 is the current choice as black. Any other thoughts, team?

I'm aligned on Bd7.

 

[kutta]

White

They moved Qd5

Qd3 is a solid move.Nf6+ also jumps out at me, which would be followed by knight takes, pawn takes, putting our pawn on f6. If you are black, what would be your next move? Bc5? Nc6?

I like Qd3 here. Our knight on e4 is protecting our e5 pawn, and I think that is our best opportunity for a trap right now, and we should definitely hang on to it. Knights screw people up in the worst way, IMO.

I think the moves would go

16. Qd3 Bb4+

17. Kf2

From here, if they castle, I still like the look of our attack.

17. Kf2 O-O

18. Be2 Nc6 ?

19. Bf3

Qd3 is the play here, I think.

What if they play Bc5? That pretty much forces a queen trade (I think), which is very bad for us, or we give up our most powerful knight. I guess we could move the queen to e3, but then the knight is pinned. And if we were going to do that we should just go to e3 with the queen right now.

I don't feel like we have fully explored Nf6 and Nc3 yet. I am going to look at those for a bit and see if there is anything there. I'm not sold on Qd3 just yet.

 

[otello]

Bd7 is the current choice as black. Any other thoughts, team?

I'm aligned on Bd7.

Consensus on Bd7 as black. I will make move shortly.

 

[kutta]

Here's something interesting. Bear with me.

... nc3,

qc5, nxe6 (I like this because it prevents is Bishop from getting on b4 or c5. He could move Qa5 but I don't think they will)

fxe6, be2 (Now I'm not sure what they would do, but I would suspect it would be Nc6. We can play either Bh5 or Rf1)

Anyway, that looks pretty good i think. They can't take the e pawn yet because they would get in serious trouble at d8 after we take with the bishop.

Thoughts?

 

[otello]

Look at Bd3. This one takes some balls. Yes, we sac our knight on d4. If q takes d4, we play Nf6+. If they take with the knight, which they may do because they want to castle and therefore not move their king, we play Bb5+ and win their Q. They have to take with the Knight. If they do, wow. Take a look.

 

[kutta]

Look at Bd3. This one takes some balls. Yes, we sac our knight on d4. If q takes d4, we play Nf6+. If they take with the knight, which they may do because they want to castle and therefore not move their king, we play Bb5+ and win their Q. They have to take with the Knight. If they do, wow. Take a look.

I'm all for sacking pieces, but what if they play Ke7? I don't see anything obvious that we get for the bishop.

 

[otello]

Moved Bd7

Bd7 is the current choice as black. Any other thoughts, team?

I'm aligned on Bd7.

Consensus on Bd7 as black. I will make move shortly.

 

[Psychopav]

Here's something interesting. Bear with me.

... nc3,

qc5, nxe6 (I like this because it prevents is Bishop from getting on b4 or c5. He could move Qa5 but I don't think they will)

fxe6, be2 (Now I'm not sure what they would do, but I would suspect it would be Nc6. We can play either Bh5 or Rf1)

Anyway, that looks pretty good i think. They can't take the e pawn yet because they would get in serious trouble at d8 after we take with the bishop.

Thoughts?

Why qc5 and not qxe5+? for them?

 

[Psychopav]

Look at Bd3. This one takes some balls. Yes, we sac our knight on d4. If q takes d4, we play Nf6+. If they take with the knight, which they may do because they want to castle and therefore not move their king, we play Bb5+ and win their Q. They have to take with the Knight pawn. If they do, wow. Take a look.

I'm all for sacking pieces, but what if they play Ke7? I don't see anything obvious that we get for the bishop knight.

You guys are confusing me. Fixed?

Assuming so,

16.Bd3 Qxd4

17.Nf6+ Ke7

18.Bf2 Qb2

Anywhere we can go from here?

 

[kutta]

Here's something interesting. Bear with me.

... nc3,

qc5, nxe6 (I like this because it prevents is Bishop from getting on b4 or c5. He could move Qa5 but I don't think they will)

fxe6, be2 (Now I'm not sure what they would do, but I would suspect it would be Nc6. We can play either Bh5 or Rf1)

Anyway, that looks pretty good i think. They can't take the e pawn yet because they would get in serious trouble at d8 after we take with the bishop.

Thoughts?

Why qc5 and not qxe5+? for them?

Don't we have a bishop protecting e5?

 

[Psychopav]

Here's something interesting. Bear with me.

... nc3,

qc5, nxe6 (I like this because it prevents is Bishop from getting on b4 or c5. He could move Qa5 but I don't think they will)

fxe6, be2 (Now I'm not sure what they would do, but I would suspect it would be Nc6. We can play either Bh5 or Rf1)

Anyway, that looks pretty good i think. They can't take the e pawn yet because they would get in serious trouble at d8 after we take with the bishop.

Thoughts?

Why qc5 and not qxe5+? for them?

Don't we have a bishop protecting e5?

 

[dancingbones]

White

They moved Qd5

Qd3 is a solid move.Nf6+ also jumps out at me, which would be followed by knight takes, pawn takes, putting our pawn on f6. If you are black, what would be your next move? Bc5? Nc6?

I like Qd3 here. Our knight on e4 is protecting our e5 pawn, and I think that is our best opportunity for a trap right now, and we should definitely hang on to it. Knights screw people up in the worst way, IMO.

I think the moves would go

16. Qd3 Bb4+

17. Kf2

From here, if they castle, I still like the look of our attack.

17. Kf2 O-O

18. Be2 Nc6 ?

19. Bf3

Qd3 is the play here, I think.

What if they play Bc5? That pretty much forces a queen trade (I think), which is very bad for us, or we give up our most powerful knight. I guess we could move the queen to e3, but then the knight is pinned. And if we were going to do that we should just go to e3 with the queen right now.

I don't feel like we have fully explored Nf6 and Nc3 yet. I am going to look at those for a bit and see if there is anything there. I'm not sold on Qd3 just yet.

What about this? If they take with the pawn on move 17, they lose their Queen.

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 fxe6
18. Nf6+ Nxf6

19. Qg6+

I like that position a lot.

If they take our Queen on move 17, they have 3 options after 18. Nc7+ (Kd8, Ke7, or Kf8) all of which give us good, viable attacks that gain us material.

Option A Kd8

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Kd8

19. Rxd3 Kxc7

20. e6+

Option B Ke7

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Ke7

19. Rxd3 Ra7

20. e6

Option C Kf8

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Kf8

19. Rxd3 Ra7

20. e6

Can't really predict out that far, but check it out, I think you'll like what you see.

 

[otello]

White

They moved Qd5

Qd3 is a solid move.Nf6+ also jumps out at me, which would be followed by knight takes, pawn takes, putting our pawn on f6. If you are black, what would be your next move? Bc5? Nc6?

I like Qd3 here. Our knight on e4 is protecting our e5 pawn, and I think that is our best opportunity for a trap right now, and we should definitely hang on to it. Knights screw people up in the worst way, IMO.I think the moves would go

16. Qd3 Bb4+

17. Kf2

From here, if they castle, I still like the look of our attack.

17. Kf2 O-O

18. Be2 Nc6 ?

19. Bf3

Qd3 is the play here, I think.

What if they play Bc5? That pretty much forces a queen trade (I think), which is very bad for us, or we give up our most powerful knight. I guess we could move the queen to e3, but then the knight is pinned. And if we were going to do that we should just go to e3 with the queen right now.I don't feel like we have fully explored Nf6 and Nc3 yet. I am going to look at those for a bit and see if there is anything there. I'm not sold on Qd3 just yet.

What about this? If they take with the pawn on move 17, they lose their Queen.16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 fxe6

18. Nf6+ Nxf6

19. Qg6+

I like that position a lot.

If they take our Queen on move 17, they have 3 options after 18. Nc7+ (Kd8, Ke7, or Kf8) all of which give us good, viable attacks that gain us material.

Option A Kd8

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Kd8

19. Rxd3 Kxc7

20. e6+

Option B Ke7 (will complete later)

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Ke7

Option C Kf8 (will complete later)

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Kf8

Check it out, I think you'll like what you see.

Option C.19. Bxd3 Ra7

20. e6 fxe6 if they take here we have a great attack (if they play Bb4+, we can play c3)

21. Nxe6+ king move (e7, f7, g8 or e8)

22. Either Nxc5

These last two moves we can discuss, as there are a lot if options, but I like this if they play Kf8. Re move 19, I think B takes is better than R takes, as it develops the bishop and gives us castling options; plus if the queen stays on the right side of board a centralized bishop is good for us.

 

[dancingbones]

White

They moved Qd5

Qd3 is a solid move.Nf6+ also jumps out at me, which would be followed by knight takes, pawn takes, putting our pawn on f6. If you are black, what would be your next move? Bc5? Nc6?

I like Qd3 here. Our knight on e4 is protecting our e5 pawn, and I think that is our best opportunity for a trap right now, and we should definitely hang on to it. Knights screw people up in the worst way, IMO.I think the moves would go

16. Qd3 Bb4+

17. Kf2

From here, if they castle, I still like the look of our attack.

17. Kf2 O-O

18. Be2 Nc6 ?

19. Bf3

Qd3 is the play here, I think.

What if they play Bc5? That pretty much forces a queen trade (I think), which is very bad for us, or we give up our most powerful knight. I guess we could move the queen to e3, but then the knight is pinned. And if we were going to do that we should just go to e3 with the queen right now.I don't feel like we have fully explored Nf6 and Nc3 yet. I am going to look at those for a bit and see if there is anything there. I'm not sold on Qd3 just yet.

What about this? If they take with the pawn on move 17, they lose their Queen.16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 fxe6

18. Nf6+ Nxf6

19. Qg6+

I like that position a lot.

If they take our Queen on move 17, they have 3 options after 18. Nc7+ (Kd8, Ke7, or Kf8) all of which give us good, viable attacks that gain us material.

Option A Kd8

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Kd8

19. Rxd3 Kxc7

20. e6+

Option B Ke7 (will complete later)

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Ke7

Option C Kf8 (will complete later)

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Kf8

Check it out, I think you'll like what you see.

Option C.19. Bxd3 Ra7

20. e6 fxe6 if they take here we have a great attack (if they play Bb4+, we can play c3)

21. Nxe6+ king move (e7, f7, g8 or e8)

22. Either Nxc5

These last two moves we can discuss, as there are a lot if options, but I like this if they play Kf8. Re move 19, I think B takes is better than R takes, as it develops the bishop and gives us castling options; plus if the queen stays on the right side of board a centralized bishop is good for us.

Hadn't looked at taking with the Bishop instead of the rook. Would be good to get a castle in to keep up that pressure in the middle.

We can look at more of the options as they unfold, but I'm liking Qd3 as our immediate move here.

 

[otello]

Option B

19. Bxd3 Ra3

Here, we have several options.

20. O-O

20. Nd5+

20. Nc5

Need to think more here

 

[otello]

White

They moved Qd5

Qd3 is a solid move.Nf6+ also jumps out at me, which would be followed by knight takes, pawn takes, putting our pawn on f6. If you are black, what would be your next move? Bc5? Nc6?

I like Qd3 here. Our knight on e4 is protecting our e5 pawn, and I think that is our best opportunity for a trap right now, and we should definitely hang on to it. Knights screw people up in the worst way, IMO.I think the moves would go

16. Qd3 Bb4+

17. Kf2

From here, if they castle, I still like the look of our attack.

17. Kf2 O-O

18. Be2 Nc6 ?

19. Bf3

Qd3 is the play here, I think.

What if they play Bc5? That pretty much forces a queen trade (I think), which is very bad for us, or we give up our most powerful knight. I guess we could move the queen to e3, but then the knight is pinned. And if we were going to do that we should just go to e3 with the queen right now.I don't feel like we have fully explored Nf6 and Nc3 yet. I am going to look at those for a bit and see if there is anything there. I'm not sold on Qd3 just yet.

What about this? If they take with the pawn on move 17, they lose their Queen.16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 fxe6

18. Nf6+ Nxf6

19. Qg6+

I like that position a lot.

If they take our Queen on move 17, they have 3 options after 18. Nc7+ (Kd8, Ke7, or Kf8) all of which give us good, viable attacks that gain us material.

Option A Kd8

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Kd8

19. Rxd3 Kxc7

20. e6+

Option B Ke7 (will complete later)

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Ke7

Option C Kf8 (will complete later)

16. Qd3 bc5

17. Nxe6 Qxd3

18. Nc7+ Kf8

Check it out, I think you'll like what you see.

Option C.19. Bxd3 Ra7

20. e6 fxe6 if they take here we have a great attack (if they play Bb4+, we can play c3)

21. Nxe6+ king move (e7, f7, g8 or e8)

22. Either Nxc5

These last two moves we can discuss, as there are a lot if options, but I like this if they play Kf8. Re move 19, I think B takes is better than R takes, as it develops the bishop and gives us castling options; plus if the queen stays on the right side of board a centralized bishop is good for us.

Hadn't looked at taking with the Bishop instead of the rook. Would be good to get a castle in to keep up that pressure in the middle. We can look at more of the options as they unfold, but I'm liking Qd3 as our immediate move here.

I agree, although when I first suggest this, I was not thinking of all this above. Anyone else care to comment? Nice work there, D.

 

[kutta]

I'm in Vegas and I'm 2 sheets to the wind. I'm in no state of mind to contribute so I will trust your guys' judgment.

 

[otello]

I'm in Vegas and I'm 2 sheets to the wind. I'm in no state of mind to contribute so I will trust your guys' judgment.

put 5 on the second 12 for team O.

 

[otello]

Consensus around Qd3 as black. Will move shortly.

 

[otello]

Qd3 moved as white

 

[kutta]

I'm in Vegas and I'm 2 sheets to the wind. I'm in no state of mind to contribute so I will trust your guys' judgment.

put 5 on the second 12 for team O.

Had a blast playing roulette last night but didn't see your request. I will be sure to make the official bet today.

 

[kutta]

What if they play

17 ... , Qxe6

We take the bishop on b5? I think that's decent for us with the intention of playing e6.

What changes if they play nc6 instead if bb5?

 

[otello]

What if they play

17 ... , Qxe6

We take the bishop on b5? I think that's decent for us with the intention of playing e6.

What changes if they play nc6 instead if bb5?

You mean 16. Qxe6. Their pawn is on e6. Out pawn is on e5, which is protected by our bishop on g3.If they play Nc6; don't you mean Nc5, attacking our Q?:

16. Qd3 Nc5

17. Nxc5

If queen takes, Nxe6, attacking the queen. If their pawn takes knight, I think we have a mate opportunity starting with Qd8+.

If bishop takes, we play Nxe6. If pawn takes knight, Qg6+, winning their Q. If queen takes knight, Qd8 mate.

If queen takes our queen, Nc7+, and follow db's and my analysis above.

 

[kutta]

What if they play

17 ... , Qxe6

We take the bishop on b5? I think that's decent for us with the intention of playing e6.

What changes if they play nc6 instead if bb5?

You mean 16. Qxe6. Their pawn is on e6. Out pawn is on e5, which is protected by our bishop on g3.If they play Nc6; don't you mean Nc5, attacking our Q?:

16. Qd3 Nc5

17. Nxc5

If queen takes, Nxe6, attacking the queen. If their pawn takes knight, I think we have a mate opportunity starting with Qd8+.

If bishop takes, we play Nxe6. If pawn takes knight, Qg6+, winning their Q. If queen takes knight, Qd8 mate.

If queen takes our queen, Nc7+, and follow db's and my analysis above.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that they play Bb5, we play nxe6, they play qxe6.

 

[dancingbones]

What if they play

17 ... , Qxe6

We take the bishop on b5? I think that's decent for us with the intention of playing e6.

What changes if they play nc6 instead if bb5?

Yeah, I think if it goes Qxe6 we take the bishop and at that point we're down a pawn and still have a decent attack & a castle in our future.

I think if they go nc6, we need to go be2 or nxc6. We'll find out soon whether we need to explore that option or not - from the little that I've checked, I think I like be2.