Tebow in the Green Room? (1 Viewer)

[doowain]

Mayock has never kissed Tebow's ###. When Tebow performed poorly in the Senior Bowl, he said so. He was right in there with the crowd on lambasting Tebow's footwork and delivery style. The fact that Mayock is saying such good things about his improvement is all I need to see to verify my thinking that he will be a successful QB for whatever team takes him. Can Jacksonville really afford to NOT take him in round 1 given these improvements? They don't have any second round picks, and even if they can afford to trade up to the early second for him that may not be enough. What if the Colts or another savvy team scoops him up at the end of RD 1? There is nobody the Jaguars can take who will give them as much of a boost as Tebow. What they need more than anything right now is fans. And Tebow brings them in droves.

Good post Vidon, this is exactly what people need to pay attention to....he has changed since Florida finished their Bowl game. Granted, QBs have had the right mechanics their whole lives but so what. Bradford, Calusen, most of these guys are fairly unimpressive IMO. If Tebow can throw the ball with decent mechanics he brings so much to an organization including deep dedicated leadership. Tebow is like Manning in the way he prepares, studies film, says and behaves the right way...the guy is an instant fan injection because a lot of people can relate to Tim Tebow...and his outward Christian beliefs don't hurt a bit. And he's old skool in the way he went about his business, reminds many of the mentality of guys in the 50s and 60s across campuses, he really embraced the college life and maximized his experiences and also knowledge. I don't care what he scored on the wonderlic, he seems like a guy that has enough marbles to do the right things. I think he will work his tail off in the NFL, and the amount of tickets and jerseys that sell will be enormous, even from folks that don't root for the team he is playing for.

I'm having deja vu.

As he's said a million times, it "only takes one team".I'm telling you, in two to three years time, there are going to be a lot of teams kicking themselves for not taking him. And, given the jersey/ticket sales that are sure to follow his selection, there will be a lot of teams kicking themselves from Day 1. We forget that not only is this a sport, it's also a business. Tebow, whether you like his prospects or not, will bring in a lot of it.Personally, if I had to put money on one player in college doing anything and everything they can do to make it at the next level, it would be Tebow. We hear all of the time "this guy has so much potential, but just doesn't have the drive to realize it" or "100 dollar talent, ten cent head". I understand Tebow is a polarizing player, but with him you get a high talent level with upside PLUS all of the drive/intangibles it will take to be great. I'm not sure how people don't get that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I have one other thing to add for those that feel Tebow did not play in an NFL offense. I don't know if you all have been paying attention but the NFL is becoming a pass 1st, pass 2nd league rather quickly. Teams are getting more and more comfortable just lining up 3 and 4 wide and letting it fly. I think of teams like NO, Indy, big offenses that have won championships with very questionable defenses, these teams would love a QB that can throw the ball some but also is a big factor in tucking it and taking off. Tebow weighs close to 240-250 lbs by most folks, he's a big guy and can go right up the middle of the field if he has WRs all in routes. This alone will force defenses to commit a spy to Tebow and that opens up the passing lanes.

I'll be shocked if NFL teams don't implement some sort of spread offense for him to run 4-5 plays a game even as a rookie. Later on he'll be asked to take ove rmore duties. He won't start as a rookie, but if he is given 1-2 years to roam aroudn the sidelines and learn...I'm confident Tim Tebow can find a niche in the NFL.

 

[Gopher State]

Mayock has never kissed Tebow's ###. When Tebow performed poorly in the Senior Bowl, he said so. He was right in there with the crowd on lambasting Tebow's footwork and delivery style. The fact that Mayock is saying such good things about his improvement is all I need to see to verify my thinking that he will be a successful QB for whatever team takes him. Can Jacksonville really afford to NOT take him in round 1 given these improvements? They don't have any second round picks, and even if they can afford to trade up to the early second for him that may not be enough. What if the Colts or another savvy team scoops him up at the end of RD 1? There is nobody the Jaguars can take who will give them as much of a boost as Tebow. What they need more than anything right now is fans. And Tebow brings them in droves.

very Tebow is moving up the charts every day. I can't see him falling past the Jags, if he does NE will take him imo

 

[gump]

If a lot of the positive press is from his PR machine...that was money well spent.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

very Tebow is moving up the charts every day. I can't see him falling past the Jags, if he does NE will take him imo

There's no way Tebow goes at #10 to Jax. Maybe they trade down to the late first and take him, but I still think he's going to Cleveland at #38.

 

[FavreCo]

Mayock has never kissed Tebow's ###. When Tebow performed poorly in the Senior Bowl, he said so. He was right in there with the crowd on lambasting Tebow's footwork and delivery style. The fact that Mayock is saying such good things about his improvement is all I need to see to verify my thinking that he will be a successful QB for whatever team takes him. Can Jacksonville really afford to NOT take him in round 1 given these improvements? They don't have any second round picks, and even if they can afford to trade up to the early second for him that may not be enough. What if the Colts or another savvy team scoops him up at the end of RD 1? There is nobody the Jaguars can take who will give them as much of a boost as Tebow. What they need more than anything right now is fans. And Tebow brings them in droves.

Agreed. I don't see how they pass on him. Week 1 will be sold out in record time.

And once the Tebow fad fades away, Jax will start packing up for LA.

 

[munchkin]

very

Tebow is moving up the charts every day. I can't see him falling past the Jags, if he does NE will take him imo

There's no way Tebow goes at #10 to Jax. Maybe they trade down to the late first and take him, but I still think he's going to Cleveland at #38.

This is the only logical way the Jaguars would take Tebow in the first round. New England will not take Tebow in the first. If they waste a first round pick on Tebow Kraft will have Belichick in for psychological evaluations by Monday. If this team wants to stay competitive they can't afford to take first round fliers on luxury players. Heck, why would you want to take Brady out of the line-up. If the team wants a tight end or H-back there are other players that fit the bill and have better physical make-ups. The pick makes no sense.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Mayock has never kissed Tebow's ###. When Tebow performed poorly in the Senior Bowl, he said so. He was right in there with the crowd on lambasting Tebow's footwork and delivery style. The fact that Mayock is saying such good things about his improvement is all I need to see to verify my thinking that he will be a successful QB for whatever team takes him.

Can Jacksonville really afford to NOT take him in round 1 given these improvements? They don't have any second round picks, and even if they can afford to trade up to the early second for him that may not be enough. What if the Colts or another savvy team scoops him up at the end of RD 1? There is nobody the Jaguars can take who will give them as much of a boost as Tebow. What they need more than anything right now is fans. And Tebow brings them in droves.

Good post Vidon, this is exactly what people need to pay attention to....he has changed since Florida finished their Bowl game. Granted, QBs have had the right mechanics their whole lives but so what. Bradford, Calusen, most of these guys are fairly unimpressive IMO. If Tebow can throw the ball with decent mechanics he brings so much to an organization including deep dedicated leadership. Tebow is like Manning in the way he prepares, studies film, says and behaves the right way...the guy is an instant fan injection because a lot of people can relate to Tim Tebow...and his outward Christian beliefs don't hurt a bit. And he's old skool in the way he went about his business, reminds many of the mentality of guys in the 50s and 60s across campuses, he really embraced the college life and maximized his experiences and also knowledge. I don't care what he scored on the wonderlic, he seems like a guy that has enough marbles to do the right things.

I think he will work his tail off in the NFL, and the amount of tickets and jerseys that sell will be enormous, even from folks that don't root for the team he is playing for.

I've said this before, I will become a fan of whatever team drafts Tebow (as long as its not the Patriots, Jets or Dolphins). Being a fan of the Bills will always be first but that even gets tough at times. It will be nice to root for Tebow and whatever team he goes to. As a player, I like him. But as a human being, I love the guy. Easily my favorite person that will be in the NFL.

 

[SSOG]

??? Honest question, would you purchase a ticket to an nfl game because you like their # 3 quarterback?

I don't know just how familiar you are with Florida (the University or the state) or Jacksonville (the city or the franchise), so forgive me if this comes off as condescending or if I'm telling you something you already know. The Jaguars are in a bizarre situation for a pro franchise, in that they are the second most popular football team in their own city. The Florida Gators are SUBSTANTIALLY more popular than the Jaguars. It makes sense- the Gators have been around for 100 years, while the Jags are just 15 years old. Most of the people who live in Jacksonville are 2nd or 3rd generation Gator fans- guys like Tim Tebow who grew up cheering on Danny Wuerffel and listening to their dads tell stories about how they grew up cheering on Steve Spurrier. Plus, it's just an hour and a half drive from Gainesville to Alltel Stadium. The Jags have never really earned the hearts of the residents. The owner had to cover seats to prevent all the home games from being blacked out (which would, in turn, leave the residents of Jacksonville even more disinterested in the team). I know that there were several games when I was in Gainesville where I just drove up to Jacksonville Sunday morning, bought a pair of tickets for $40, and went to a game just because it's probably the only place in America where you can decide on a whim that you want to see an NFL game and wind up scoring two tickets for $40. Things are truly and genuinely dire for the Jaguars. That city simply does not love their team. They like their team, but they don't love it. I think a lot of it has to do with the size of the city, too- it's actually the largest city in the world in terms of square mileage, but the result leaves everyone so spread out that you don't get that tight-knit sense of community that you get from the New Yorks, Chicagos, Denvers, or even the Green Bays or Buffalos (which are relatively small, but still have a distinct identity).So, anyway, to quit the rambling and cut to the heart of the matter... Jacksonville's future right now holds nothing but doom and gloom. As things stand right now, it's not a question of if the Jaguars relocate, it's looking more like a question of when. The city just doesn't love the team. The city loves the Gators, though. When the Cocktail Party comes into town, people take a 5 day weekend and spend 3 days getting drunk in anticipation of the game, and 2 days getting sober afterward. Tim Tebow had a charity autograph session in Jacksonville where he sold his signature for $200 a pop. If people are willing to drop $200 to see him write his name, then I don't think they'd hesitate to drop $300 to see him hold a clipboard (yes, you read that right- season tickets for the Jags start at just $300... and they still can't sell them! I told you, that city does not love their team). Tickets to the Cocktail Party retail for more than season tickets to the Jaguars- I'm not making this up, they seriously cost more- and yet those tickets sell out months in advance, while half of the Jags season tickets are sitting unsold.Yes, if the Jags drafted Tim Tebow, they would see an immediate and DRAMATIC spike in ticket sales, no question whatsoever. Even if he was going to sit on the bench for 2 years holding a clipboard.

I have one other thing to add for those that feel Tebow did not play in an NFL offense.

I don't know if anyone really feels that way. At least, I haven't seen anybody expressing concerns over that in these threads. And if anyone really did feel that way... well, let's just say it'd be pretty silly, seeing as the highest scoring offense in NFL history pretty much stole half of Urban Meyer's playbook.

 

[munchkin]

??? Honest question, would you purchase a ticket to an nfl game because you like their # 3 quarterback?

I don't know just how familiar you are with Florida (the University or the state) or Jacksonville (the city or the franchise), so forgive me if this comes off as condescending or if I'm telling you something you already know. The Jaguars are in a bizarre situation for a pro franchise, in that they are the second most popular football team in their own city. The Florida Gators are SUBSTANTIALLY more popular than the Jaguars. It makes sense- the Gators have been around for 100 years, while the Jags are just 15 years old. Most of the people who live in Jacksonville are 2nd or 3rd generation Gator fans- guys like Tim Tebow who grew up cheering on Danny Wuerffel and listening to their dads tell stories about how they grew up cheering on Steve Spurrier. Plus, it's just an hour and a half drive from Gainesville to Alltel Stadium. The Jags have never really earned the hearts of the residents. The owner had to cover seats to prevent all the home games from being blacked out (which would, in turn, leave the residents of Jacksonville even more disinterested in the team). I know that there were several games when I was in Gainesville where I just drove up to Jacksonville Sunday morning, bought a pair of tickets for $40, and went to a game just because it's probably the only place in America where you can decide on a whim that you want to see an NFL game and wind up scoring two tickets for $40. Things are truly and genuinely dire for the Jaguars. That city simply does not love their team. They like their team, but they don't love it. I think a lot of it has to do with the size of the city, too- it's actually the largest city in the world in terms of square mileage, but the result leaves everyone so spread out that you don't get that tight-knit sense of community that you get from the New Yorks, Chicagos, Denvers, or even the Green Bays or Buffalos (which are relatively small, but still have a distinct identity).So, anyway, to quit the rambling and cut to the heart of the matter... Jacksonville's future right now holds nothing but doom and gloom. As things stand right now, it's not a question of if the Jaguars relocate, it's looking more like a question of when. The city just doesn't love the team. The city loves the Gators, though. When the Cocktail Party comes into town, people take a 5 day weekend and spend 3 days getting drunk in anticipation of the game, and 2 days getting sober afterward. Tim Tebow had a charity autograph session in Jacksonville where he sold his signature for $200 a pop. If people are willing to drop $200 to see him write his name, then I don't think they'd hesitate to drop $300 to see him hold a clipboard (yes, you read that right- season tickets for the Jags start at just $300... and they still can't sell them! I told you, that city does not love their team). Tickets to the Cocktail Party retail for more than season tickets to the Jaguars- I'm not making this up, they seriously cost more- and yet those tickets sell out months in advance, while half of the Jags season tickets are sitting unsold.Yes, if the Jags drafted Tim Tebow, they would see an immediate and DRAMATIC spike in ticket sales, no question whatsoever. Even if he was going to sit on the bench for 2 years holding a clipboard.

I have one other thing to add for those that feel Tebow did not play in an NFL offense.

I don't know if anyone really feels that way. At least, I haven't seen anybody expressing concerns over that in these threads. And if anyone really did feel that way... well, let's just say it'd be pretty silly, seeing as the highest scoring offense in NFL history pretty much stole half of Urban Meyer's playbook.

I don't doubt that this is true. What are the odds that the fans would be happy with Tebow holding a clip board? If they draft Tebow he has to play QB. Garrard would be booed from the first interception or fumble; actually he would likely be booed when he ran on to the field. It will be a circus. The fact that he showed something at his pro day gives so hope to the casual fan that he can get better; this same improvement cements the idea that Tebow will be a Pro Bowl Qb to his followers. Jacksonville is in a very precarious position.

 

[css2373]

??? Honest question, would you purchase a ticket to an nfl game because you like their # 3 quarterback?

I don't know just how familiar you are with Florida (the University or the state) or Jacksonville (the city or the franchise), so forgive me if this comes off as condescending or if I'm telling you something you already know. The Jaguars are in a bizarre situation for a pro franchise, in that they are the second most popular football team in their own city. The Florida Gators are SUBSTANTIALLY more popular than the Jaguars. It makes sense- the Gators have been around for 100 years, while the Jags are just 15 years old. Most of the people who live in Jacksonville are 2nd or 3rd generation Gator fans- guys like Tim Tebow who grew up cheering on Danny Wuerffel and listening to their dads tell stories about how they grew up cheering on Steve Spurrier. Plus, it's just an hour and a half drive from Gainesville to Alltel Stadium. The Jags have never really earned the hearts of the residents. The owner had to cover seats to prevent all the home games from being blacked out (which would, in turn, leave the residents of Jacksonville even more disinterested in the team). I know that there were several games when I was in Gainesville where I just drove up to Jacksonville Sunday morning, bought a pair of tickets for $40, and went to a game just because it's probably the only place in America where you can decide on a whim that you want to see an NFL game and wind up scoring two tickets for $40. Things are truly and genuinely dire for the Jaguars. That city simply does not love their team. They like their team, but they don't love it. I think a lot of it has to do with the size of the city, too- it's actually the largest city in the world in terms of square mileage, but the result leaves everyone so spread out that you don't get that tight-knit sense of community that you get from the New Yorks, Chicagos, Denvers, or even the Green Bays or Buffalos (which are relatively small, but still have a distinct identity).So, anyway, to quit the rambling and cut to the heart of the matter... Jacksonville's future right now holds nothing but doom and gloom. As things stand right now, it's not a question of if the Jaguars relocate, it's looking more like a question of when. The city just doesn't love the team. The city loves the Gators, though. When the Cocktail Party comes into town, people take a 5 day weekend and spend 3 days getting drunk in anticipation of the game, and 2 days getting sober afterward. Tim Tebow had a charity autograph session in Jacksonville where he sold his signature for $200 a pop. If people are willing to drop $200 to see him write his name, then I don't think they'd hesitate to drop $300 to see him hold a clipboard (yes, you read that right- season tickets for the Jags start at just $300... and they still can't sell them! I told you, that city does not love their team). Tickets to the Cocktail Party retail for more than season tickets to the Jaguars- I'm not making this up, they seriously cost more- and yet those tickets sell out months in advance, while half of the Jags season tickets are sitting unsold.Yes, if the Jags drafted Tim Tebow, they would see an immediate and DRAMATIC spike in ticket sales, no question whatsoever. Even if he was going to sit on the bench for 2 years holding a clipboard.

I have one other thing to add for those that feel Tebow did not play in an NFL offense.

I don't know if anyone really feels that way. At least, I haven't seen anybody expressing concerns over that in these threads. And if anyone really did feel that way... well, let's just say it'd be pretty silly, seeing as the highest scoring offense in NFL history pretty much stole half of Urban Meyer's playbook.

I don't doubt that this is true. What are the odds that the fans would be happy with Tebow holding a clip board? If they draft Tebow he has to play QB. Garrard would be booed from the first interception or fumble; actually he would likely be booed when he ran on to the field. It will be a circus. The fact that he showed something at his pro day gives so hope to the casual fan that he can get better; this same improvement cements the idea that Tebow will be a Pro Bowl Qb to his followers. Jacksonville is in a very precarious position.

Don't think he said anything about being happy, just that people will show up. Like they did for Senior Bowl practice, for his Pro Day, even for the Orange and Blue spring practice game for all 4 of Tebow's years as I was there for a couple.I took my future wife to one and was explaining the game to her. Then starter Chris Leak was throwing a pass which was intercepted. My wife said "I thought you told me he was supposed to throw to his own team" I responed that was correct and she said "That's not smart, are you sure he doesn't go to FSU?"

 

[5-ish Finkle]

It doesn't matter what I'd do. Jacksonville fans have nothing to be excited about. Did you see their stands during the games? EMPTY.

Jacksonville's stadium is EMPTY even when their IS something to be excited about.If the Jaguars are drafting any player solely with marketing in mind, they are going to rue that decision. The local populace there just doesn't give a flying f@$# about the Jaguars.

 

[fatness]

If the Jaguars are drafting any player solely with marketing in mind, they are going to rue that decision.

Any team spending a high draft pick on a player for marketing reasons will regret it. This is NFL football, not American Idol.

 

[SSOG]

I don't doubt that this is true. What are the odds that the fans would be happy with Tebow holding a clip board? If they draft Tebow he has to play QB. Garrard would be booed from the first interception or fumble; actually he would likely be booed when he ran on to the field. It will be a circus. The fact that he showed something at his pro day gives so hope to the casual fan that he can get better; this same improvement cements the idea that Tebow will be a Pro Bowl Qb to his followers. Jacksonville is in a very precarious position.

I think most fans have been inundated with the whole "Tebow is not a pro prospect" stuff for long enough now that they'd be totally understanding if Tebow sat for a year or two to get some seasoning.

If the Jaguars are drafting any player solely with marketing in mind, they are going to rue that decision.

Any team spending a high draft pick on a player for marketing reasons will regret it. This is NFL football, not American Idol.

To be honest, if Michael Vick didn't have a thing for dogfighting, I think Arthur Blank would have been perfectly happy with Vick based solely on his marketability.The thing is, for most players, marketability is directly related to quality of play. The three most marketable players in the league right now are probably Manning, Brady, and Favre- three first-ballot HoFers. In that respect, in usual circumstances, you don't want to draft a QB who is marketable and hope he is good, you want to draft a QB who is good because he'll become marketable. With that said, Tim Tebow is every bit as much of an exception to the rules as Michael Vick was. He's the kind of guy who will bring in major revenue streams for years even if he's only average. If Tebow gets drafted, goes on to be mediocre, and still winds up being as big of a cash cow as Vick was, then I'm sure Wayne Weaver will be thrilled with the selection.At the end of the day, all the dollar figures getting thrown around in contract offers are real honest-to-goodness dollars, not some sort of monopoly money. NFL owners are spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year. I'm sure they want to win, but there are very few owners in ANY sport who are willing to lose tens of millions of dollars if it results in them fielding a better team. I suspect most owners would prefer a mediocre team that was financially self-sufficient to a great team that was hemorrhaging 8 figures a year.

 

[Wadsworth]

I'm not going to get into every single point made so far in this thread right now. But I did want to mention to SSOG in particular that Jacksonville is not Gainesville. I don't think living in Gainesville and going to some games in Jacksonville is a fair or accurate method for understanding the Jaguars situation or the fan base of the city and surrounding area outside of Gainesville. For a short version of my opinion regarding Tebow and the Jags all throw in this quote from another thread.

Things in Jacksonville are not as people seem to think nationally. Tebow has already polarized the locals to the extreme that many Jaguar fans don't want him here at all, even as a 7th rounder. College football is very big here and the fans of teams other than UF are getting sick of the Jaguars drafting Gators in the first round . If they take a Gator this year it will make 3 out of the last 4 years with a Gator in the first. Adding to that fire is the fact that taking these Gators haven't worked out on the field and ticket sales have actually decreased. Many Jaguar fans don't want Jacksonville to become Gainsville North, especially when the Gator fans aren't buying tickets anyways.And then you have the Gator homers led by several of the local radio hosts that, and this is 100% serious, think the Jaguars should trade up to made sure they get Tebow in the first round. Some are threatening to boycott the Jags if they don't take Timmy. Lines are being drawn in the sand so to speak. It's a mess.

I disagree with the idea that if the Jags draft Tebow, everything will be cool. I also disagree with the idea that if the Jags don't draft Tebow, everything is going to collapse. Until the 2009 season the Jaguars have consistently been middle of the pack or better in ticket sales and they were not the worst in sales even in 2009. It's not time to force a Hail Mary pass to get Tebow or lose the franchise.

 

[doowain]

I'm not going to get into every single point made so far in this thread right now. But I did want to mention to SSOG in particular that Jacksonville is not Gainesville. I don't think living in Gainesville and going to some games in Jacksonville is a fair or accurate method for understanding the Jaguars situation or the fan base of the city and surrounding area outside of Gainesville. For a short version of my opinion regarding Tebow and the Jags all throw in this quote from another thread.

Things in Jacksonville are not as people seem to think nationally. Tebow has already polarized the locals to the extreme that many Jaguar fans don't want him here at all, even as a 7th rounder. College football is very big here and the fans of teams other than UF are getting sick of the Jaguars drafting Gators in the first round . If they take a Gator this year it will make 3 out of the last 4 years with a Gator in the first. Adding to that fire is the fact that taking these Gators haven't worked out on the field and ticket sales have actually decreased. Many Jaguar fans don't want Jacksonville to become Gainsville North, especially when the Gator fans aren't buying tickets anyways.And then you have the Gator homers led by several of the local radio hosts that, and this is 100% serious, think the Jaguars should trade up to made sure they get Tebow in the first round. Some are threatening to boycott the Jags if they don't take Timmy. Lines are being drawn in the sand so to speak. It's a mess.

I disagree with the idea that if the Jags draft Tebow, everything will be cool. I also disagree with the idea that if the Jags don't draft Tebow, everything is going to collapse. Until the 2009 season the Jaguars have consistently been middle of the pack or better in ticket sales and they were not the worst in sales even in 2009. It's not time to force a Hail Mary pass to get Tebow or lose the franchise.

I really hope you aren't comparing the reaction of fans to the drafting of Tebow, in the form of ticket/jersey sales, to that of Derrick Harvey/Reggie Nelson. Come on....

 

[CowboyFan]

I'm not going to get into every single point made so far in this thread right now. But I did want to mention to SSOG in particular that Jacksonville is not Gainesville. I don't think living in Gainesville and going to some games in Jacksonville is a fair or accurate method for understanding the Jaguars situation or the fan base of the city and surrounding area outside of Gainesville.

For a short version of my opinion regarding Tebow and the Jags all throw in this quote from another thread.

Things in Jacksonville are not as people seem to think nationally. Tebow has already polarized the locals to the extreme that many Jaguar fans don't want him here at all, even as a 7th rounder. College football is very big here and the fans of teams other than UF are getting sick of the Jaguars drafting Gators in the first round . If they take a Gator this year it will make 3 out of the last 4 years with a Gator in the first. Adding to that fire is the fact that taking these Gators haven't worked out on the field and ticket sales have actually decreased. Many Jaguar fans don't want Jacksonville to become Gainsville North, especially when the Gator fans aren't buying tickets anyways.

And then you have the Gator homers led by several of the local radio hosts that, and this is 100% serious, think the Jaguars should trade up to made sure they get Tebow in the first round. Some are threatening to boycott the Jags if they don't take Timmy. Lines are being drawn in the sand so to speak. It's a mess.

I disagree with the idea that if the Jags draft Tebow, everything will be cool. I also disagree with the idea that if the Jags don't draft Tebow, everything is going to collapse. Until the 2009 season the Jaguars have consistently been middle of the pack or better in ticket sales and they were not the worst in sales even in 2009. It's not time to force a Hail Mary pass to get Tebow or lose the franchise.

in a poll of 800 Jags season ticket holders, 55 percent voted against the idea of the team drafting Tim Tebow -- in any round and in any capacity Tebow poll

 

[doowain]

in a poll of 800 Jags season ticket holders, 55 percent voted against the idea of the team drafting Tim Tebow -- in any round and in any capacity

Tebow poll

Where'd they scrounge up 800 season ticket holders?

 

[Sammy Traveller]

i think the whole point of the NFL inviting Tebow to the Green Room is to increase the TV ratings in Jacksonville.

 

[Gopher State]

Mike Lombardi of the National Football Post is "hearing" that Florida QB Tim Tebow won't last past the second round of the draft.

Round two seems right, and we're betting Tebow is the third quarterback drafted behind Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen. It's worth noting that the Patriots have been connected to Tebow and have three second-round picks

I can see NE trading up for a late first round pick to get Tebow

 

[fatness]

GAINESVILLE — All these people, all these thousands of people, had it wrong. Everybody made the pilgrimage to Gainesville to see Tim Tebow throw the football.

But if they really wanted to see an NFL quarterback prospect, they should have gone to the University of Florida's first football practice Wednesday afternoon instead of the University of Florida's Pro Day Wednesday morning. They would have watched new UF quarterback John Brantley's natural and nearly perfect throwing motion instead of the much-criticized delivery put on display by UF's legend emeritus.

In all seriousness, this was vintage Tebow. He was cheered after nearly every throw. He jogged around the stadium and high-fived fans when Pro Day was over. He played catch with wheelchair-bound Alex Ross — a 17-year-old from Jacksonville who was shot in the head in January and lost the use of the left-side of his body.

Meanwhile, a few hours later, Brantley walked virtually unnoticed into his first practice as UF's starter. His father John, recovering from successful prostate cancer surgery a week ago, was there proudly watching. "This is a big day for the Brantley family," the father said. "Johnny's first practice as a starter, and I got my catheter out today." The father's main piece of advice to his son was this: "Be yourself. Don't try to be Timmy Tebow." And the son is obviously taking it to heart. "I'm not going to run anybody over. I'm not going to outrun anybody," he said. "I'm going to try to sit in that pocket for as long as I can. I'm a thrower."

Who knows if John Brantley will even come close to being the college quarterback Tim Tebow was, but NFL scouts would probably tell you this: He might already be a better pro prospect.

Mike Bianchi, Orlando Sentinel

 

[Wadsworth]

in a poll of 800 Jags season ticket holders, 55 percent voted against the idea of the team drafting Tim Tebow -- in any round and in any capacity

Tebow poll

Where'd they scrounge up 800 season ticket holders?

From a Cincy fan? From 2006-2009 which includes the 2009 ticket sales disaster for the Jaguars:

Cincy: 2,082,885 attendance

Jax: 1,975,828 attendance

Not exactly a huge margin. If you just look at the 3 previous seasons Jacksonville actually drew almost 100,00 more fans.

So if Jacksonville has trouble finding 800 season ticker holder, does Cincy have trouble finding 900?

 

[doowain]

in a poll of 800 Jags season ticket holders, 55 percent voted against the idea of the team drafting Tim Tebow -- in any round and in any capacity

Tebow poll

Where'd they scrounge up 800 season ticket holders?

From a Cincy fan? From 2006-2009 which includes the 2009 ticket sales disaster for the Jaguars:

Cincy: 2,082,885 attendance

Jax: 1,975,828 attendance

Not exactly a huge margin. If you just look at the 3 previous seasons Jacksonville actually drew almost 100,00 more fans.

So if Jacksonville has trouble finding 800 season ticker holder, does Cincy have trouble finding 900?

Since we're getting off topic and throwing around numbers, I'll hop in.Stadium Capacity:

Paul Brown Stadium (Cincy) - 65,790

Jacksonville Municipal Statdium - 76,867

In 2009, the Benagls averaged 64,004/game (97.7% capacity).

In 2009, the Jaguars averaged 49,651 (73.9% capacity).

And, we can take this back to 2006 if you'd like:

Cincy: 2,082,885 attendance -- 65,090/game (98.9%)

Jax: 1,975,828 attendance -- 61.744/game (80.3%)

So, while every game was nearly a sellout for Cincy, the Jaguars had 1/4 of their stadium empty. In comparisons of capacity vs. attendance, the Bengals averaged ~14,400 fans/game more than Jacksonville, with a seating capacity of ~11,000 less.

So, I'm not sure where you get "does Cincy have trouble finding 900?" And as far as your statement of Jacksonville having 100,000 more fans than the Bengals over the previous 3 seasons, I'd sure hope so with the much larger statdium. And given the capacity of your stadium vs. your attendance, the Jaguars are far inferior to the Bengals. And you can complain about people choosing Gators tickets over Jaguars tickets all you want. We have a couple big programs up here ourselves with Ohio State and UC.

Maybe some of those fans only went to the game bc they knew they'd not be able to see the game otherwise BLACKOUT much?

 

[GoFishTN]

in a poll of 800 Jags season ticket holders, 55 percent voted against the idea of the team drafting Tim Tebow -- in any round and in any capacity

Tebow poll

Where'd they scrounge up 800 season ticket holders?

They'll have 1876 more if they draft him. Polls are never wrong.http://cgi.jacksonville.com/cgi-bin/pollin...w&poll=3467

 

[gump]

in a poll of 800 Jags season ticket holders, 55 percent voted against the idea of the team drafting Tim Tebow -- in any round and in any capacity

Tebow poll

Where'd they scrounge up 800 season ticket holders?

From a Cincy fan? From 2006-2009 which includes the 2009 ticket sales disaster for the Jaguars:

Cincy: 2,082,885 attendance

Jax: 1,975,828 attendance

Not exactly a huge margin. If you just look at the 3 previous seasons Jacksonville actually drew almost 100,00 more fans.

So if Jacksonville has trouble finding 800 season ticker holder, does Cincy have trouble finding 900?

Since we're getting off topic and throwing around numbers, I'll hop in.Stadium Capacity:

Paul Brown Stadium (Cincy) - 65,790

Jacksonville Municipal Statdium - 76,867

In 2009, the Benagls averaged 64,004/game (97.7% capacity).

In 2009, the Jaguars averaged 49,651 (73.9% capacity).

And, we can take this back to 2006 if you'd like:

Cincy: 2,082,885 attendance -- 65,090/game (98.9%)

Jax: 1,975,828 attendance -- 61.744/game (80.3%)

So, while every game was nearly a sellout for Cincy, the Jaguars had 1/4 of their stadium empty. In comparisons of capacity vs. attendance, the Bengals averaged ~14,400 fans/game more than Jacksonville, with a seating capacity of ~11,000 less.

So, I'm not sure where you get "does Cincy have trouble finding 900?" And as far as your statement of Jacksonville having 100,000 more fans than the Bengals over the previous 3 seasons, I'd sure hope so with the much larger statdium. And given the capacity of your stadium vs. your attendance, the Jaguars are far inferior to the Bengals. And you can complain about people choosing Gators tickets over Jaguars tickets all you want. We have a couple big programs up here ourselves with Ohio State and UC.

Maybe some of those fans only went to the game bc they knew they'd not be able to see the game otherwise BLACKOUT much?

How about comparing attendance vs Metro populations of Cincy's 2.15M and Jacksonville's 1.3M?

 

[gianmarco]

in a poll of 800 Jags season ticket holders, 55 percent voted against the idea of the team drafting Tim Tebow -- in any round and in any capacity

Tebow poll

Where'd they scrounge up 800 season ticket holders?

From a Cincy fan? From 2006-2009 which includes the 2009 ticket sales disaster for the Jaguars:

Cincy: 2,082,885 attendance

Jax: 1,975,828 attendance

Not exactly a huge margin. If you just look at the 3 previous seasons Jacksonville actually drew almost 100,00 more fans.

So if Jacksonville has trouble finding 800 season ticker holder, does Cincy have trouble finding 900?

Since we're getting off topic and throwing around numbers, I'll hop in.Stadium Capacity:

Paul Brown Stadium (Cincy) - 65,790

Jacksonville Municipal Statdium - 76,867

In 2009, the Benagls averaged 64,004/game (97.7% capacity).

In 2009, the Jaguars averaged 49,651 (73.9% capacity).

And, we can take this back to 2006 if you'd like:

Cincy: 2,082,885 attendance -- 65,090/game (98.9%)

Jax: 1,975,828 attendance -- 61.744/game (80.3%)

So, while every game was nearly a sellout for Cincy, the Jaguars had 1/4 of their stadium empty. In comparisons of capacity vs. attendance, the Bengals averaged ~14,400 fans/game more than Jacksonville, with a seating capacity of ~11,000 less.

So, I'm not sure where you get "does Cincy have trouble finding 900?" And as far as your statement of Jacksonville having 100,000 more fans than the Bengals over the previous 3 seasons, I'd sure hope so with the much larger statdium. And given the capacity of your stadium vs. your attendance, the Jaguars are far inferior to the Bengals. And you can complain about people choosing Gators tickets over Jaguars tickets all you want. We have a couple big programs up here ourselves with Ohio State and UC.

Maybe some of those fans only went to the game bc they knew they'd not be able to see the game otherwise BLACKOUT much?

How about comparing attendance vs Metro populations of Cincy's 2.15M and Jacksonville's 1.3M?

So New York is one of the poorest attendance cities with that metric? No thx.

 

[gump]

So New York is one of the poorest attendance cities with that metric? No thx.

Agree...but a Cincy fan shouldn't be throwing stones about attendance, especially for a team that has been a staple of the community for 45 years.The size of the stadium in Jax is definitely an issue...but they did envision it hosting more than Jags games.

 

[doowain]

So New York is one of the poorest attendance cities with that metric? No thx.

Agree...but a Cincy fan shouldn't be throwing stones about attendance, especially for a team that has been a staple of the community for 45 years.The size of the stadium in Jax is definitely an issue...but they did envision it hosting more than Jags games.

Oh really? Tell that to the Panthers and Texans. How long have they been "staples of the community"?The showing by Jacksonville fans last year was pathetic no matter how you slice it. And getting back on point...whether you like it or not Tebow will help there.

 

[Wadsworth]

So New York is one of the poorest attendance cities with that metric? No thx.

Agree...but a Cincy fan shouldn't be throwing stones about attendance, especially for a team that has been a staple of the community for 45 years.The size of the stadium in Jax is definitely an issue...but they did envision it hosting more than Jags games.

Oh really? Tell that to the Panthers and Texans. How long have they been "staples of the community"?The showing by Jacksonville fans last year was pathetic no matter how you slice it. And getting back on point...whether you like it or not Tebow will help there.

2009 was awful, but it was one year. And even as bad as it was they still where not the worse in the NFL. Before 2009 they were consistently coming in somewhere around 20th for home attendance in the NFL in spite of being one of if not the smallest market. So now after one bad season they are suppose to reach to draft a home town hero instead of trusting their draft board because he might help increase ticket sales? Sorry, panic isn't the answer.

 

[SSOG]

in a poll of 800 Jags season ticket holders, 55 percent voted against the idea of the team drafting Tim Tebow -- in any round and in any capacity

Tebow poll

That's not the point, though. Those guys aren't the target audience, here. Those guys ALREADY HAVE season tickets. Wayne Weaver wouldn't be telling the team to draft Tebow because he thinks those guys might double their season ticket orders... he'd be doing it so that people who DON'T HAVE season tickets will go GET season tickets.If he does it at all. All of this is nothing more than speculation and hearsay at this point.

 

[SSOG]

2009 was awful, but it was one year. And even as bad as it was they still where not the worse in the NFL. Before 2009 they were consistently coming in somewhere around 20th for home attendance in the NFL in spite of being one of if not the smallest market. So now after one bad season they are suppose to reach to draft a home town hero instead of trusting their draft board because he might help increase ticket sales? Sorry, panic isn't the answer.

What years were better? Like I said, there have been plenty of years where I have shown up at the stadium 15 minutes before kickoff and bought one of the many tickets that they still had available for just $20. 2009 might have been worse than usual, but that doesn't mean that "usual" is any good in the first place. IIRC, fully half of their home games were blacked out when they went 11-5 in 2007. In every other NFL city I've been in (there have been 6 of them), getting tickets from the box office 15 minutes before game time is unheard of, especially when the team has a winning record. And that's not just including long-time NFL hotbeds like Denver and Dallas or major metros like Miami or Washington. That includes both Houston (a poorer city with a terrible team that has no history) and Charlotte (a market barely any larger than Jacksonville with just as little history).Saying "well, the market is small" isn't much of a defense, either, because if the market is too small to sell, then the NFL will just say that the market is too small to host a team.

 

[thevidon]

You can't buy standing room only Eagles tickets a month prior to the game for less than $200 when they are playing a bad team.

Just sayin.

 

[identikit]

Tebow may be a no-show:

Tebow doesn't sound likely to attend draft

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 22, 2010 9:28 AM ET

Tim Tebow was invited to the NFL Draft in New York, but the ratings-grabber isn't sure he will attend.

"I've got to figure out what will be more fun for me and my best for my family,'' he told SI's Peter King. "But I have to say I liked what Joe Thomas did on the day of the draft a couple of years ago -- he went fishing with his dad.''

We heard rumblings last week through a source that Tebow was unlikely to attend the draft, and these comments help to verify the rumor.

Frankly, we're surprised most players don't go the Thomas route, even when they are invited to New York. The NFL will tell the players what to do and where to be at all hours soon enough. We'd want to enjoy the time and celebrate with those closest to us.

Other than a little free publicity, which Tebow doesn't need, what's the benefit?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...o-attend-draft/

 

[Faust]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...ings/index.html

from Peter King's MMQB:

The NFL Draft's a month from today, and this weekend has proven one thing to me: Tim Tebow's going higher than we thought he would.

Even after Tebow performed with much-improved mechanics in his on-campus pro day Wednesday in Gainesville, I thought it might be good enough to get him into the second round, but who wanted to spend a second-rounder in a very deep draft on a guy you might need to redshirt for two years?

But something interesting has happened this weekend. Most agents are happy to tell you where their client will be visiting before the draft and which teams he'll be working out for. A top player is usually happy to talk about a conversation he had with Bill Belichick or advice he got on how to throw the ball from Mike Holmgren. Not Tebow's agent Jimmy Sexton over the weekend. And not Tebow. Both said they'd like to keep the opinions from the teams to themselves, and they'd like to keep which teams are interested to themselves, partly because the teams had requested as much.

Of course, it's an open secret that Washington coach Mike Shanahan worked out Tebow in Gainesville on Saturday, and that Cleveland, Seattle, New England and Buffalo will either do so or already have. But you won't get that from the Tebow camp.

What this tells me is teams interested in Tebow don't want the other teams interested in Tebow to know how interested they are. If, for instance, the Seahawks want to add Tebow to the Matt Hasselbeck/Charlie Whitehurst stable and they hold the 60th overall pick in Round 2 (which I now think will be too low for Tebow), they don't want to telegraph their interest in case they plan to try to move into the 40s to get him. With New England having three picks in the second round (44, 47, 53), the Patriots could be in prime position to take Tebow and groom him as either a long-term replacement for Tom Brady (I don't buy that, with Brady wanting to play eight more years) or as a durable, versatile offensive weapon who could play multiple positions.

I now think Tebow's going in the 28 to 45 range, to a team willing to be patient with him at quarterback and maybe to allow him to help the team in other ways immediately. That's how much he helped himself with the aggressive remaking of his throwing motion at his workout Wednesday.

"I got a lot of slack out of my motion,'' he told me Sunday night. "I'm holding it higher, releasing it quicker. It's kind of like in golf, not going back as far on your backswing. I'm not going back as far with my arm, but I don't feel I'm losing any power or any accuracy when I throw.''

I asked Tebow if he thought he'd be a first-round pick, and there was a long pause.

"Heh-heh,'' he said, chuckling a little uncomfortably. "Not sure. Good question. I believe with all my heart that I'll be an NFL quarterback, but who takes me, and where, I don't know.''

The draft is a month from today. For the next 24 days, Tebow can work out for teams in Gainesville or visit teams for interviews at their facilities. He said he may do another workout for teams in Gainesville. And he said he hasn't decided whether to accept the NFL's invitation to attend the draft in New York -- though he sounded like he wouldn't.

"I've got to figure out what will be more fun for me and best for my family,'' he said. "But I have to say I liked what [Cleveland tackle] Joe Thomas did on the day of the draft a couple of years ago -- he went fishing with his dad.''

If I were him, I'd stay as far away from New York as I could on draft day. If he gets picked low in the first round, the cameras of ESPN and NFL Network will be on him all night. And if he goes undrafted through the first round, all day Friday -- rounds two and three are scheduled for Friday the 23rd -- will be Tim Tebow Watch. But Tebow's life has changed for the better since a lousy Senior Bowl, and he might have done enough to make quarterback-needy teams face a tough decision a month from now.

 

[GoFishTN]

He's not going to make it that far, but I'd have no problem with the Dolphins grabbing him at 43 and dumping Pat White.

 

[identikit]

Another Tebow opinion:

Gator WR enjoys having 'a real quarterback'

Posted by John Taylor on March 22, 2010 8:26 PM ET

Tim Tebow has accumulated more than his fair share of detractors over the last three months, and figures to accumulate even more in the weeks leading up to the NFL draft. From draft analysts to general members of the media to fans, there seem to be individuals around every corner looking to take a shot at the former Florida quarterback and his pro potential.

Now, however, even a former teammate is looking to get in a shot or two on the former Heisman winner for how he orchestrated the QB position at the collegiate level.

Aside from Urban Meyer's return, the biggest storyline for the Gators this spring is John Brantley taking over UF's offense. Brantley is more of a throw-first QB, especially when compared to Tebow's "go through two reads, run like Pamplona bull into opposing defense" style of play.

The differences between the two quarterbacks has not been lost on his teammates, especially wide receiver Deonte Thompson. And, whether or not Thompson meant it to come out the way it did, his words as quoted by the Orlando Sentinel when talking about the differences between Brantley and Tebow were a direct, biting shot at the latter.

"You never know with Tim," Thompson said. "He can bolt. You think he's running but he'll come up and pass it to you. You just have to be ready. With Brantley, everything's with rhythm, with time. You know, a real quarterback."

Ummm, ouch?

Obviously, this means little or nothing as far as the 2010 Florida Gators are concerned, but it's still a little jarring to see an ex-teammate take a shot -- however indirect or unintentional it may have been -- at one of the iconic college football players in the last quarter century.

Again -- "A real quarterback"???

That stings me and I'm pretty much agnostic -- compared to most -- when it comes to Tebow. And, I would assume, it's a quote that Urban Meyer will not appreciate when it comes to his attention, especially in light of the criticism he's received for what observers see as a QB woefully prepared for success at the next level.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...al-quarterback/

 

[phthalatemagic]

Another Tebow opinion:

Gator WR enjoys having 'a real quarterback'

Posted by John Taylor on March 22, 2010 8:26 PM ET

Tim Tebow has accumulated more than his fair share of detractors over the last three months, and figures to accumulate even more in the weeks leading up to the NFL draft. From draft analysts to general members of the media to fans, there seem to be individuals around every corner looking to take a shot at the former Florida quarterback and his pro potential.

Now, however, even a former teammate is looking to get in a shot or two on the former Heisman winner for how he orchestrated the QB position at the collegiate level.

Aside from Urban Meyer's return, the biggest storyline for the Gators this spring is John Brantley taking over UF's offense. Brantley is more of a throw-first QB, especially when compared to Tebow's "go through two reads, run like Pamplona bull into opposing defense" style of play.

The differences between the two quarterbacks has not been lost on his teammates, especially wide receiver Deonte Thompson. And, whether or not Thompson meant it to come out the way it did, his words as quoted by the Orlando Sentinel when talking about the differences between Brantley and Tebow were a direct, biting shot at the latter.

"You never know with Tim," Thompson said. "He can bolt. You think he's running but he'll come up and pass it to you. You just have to be ready. With Brantley, everything's with rhythm, with time. You know, a real quarterback."

Ummm, ouch?

Obviously, this means little or nothing as far as the 2010 Florida Gators are concerned, but it's still a little jarring to see an ex-teammate take a shot -- however indirect or unintentional it may have been -- at one of the iconic college football players in the last quarter century.

Again -- "A real quarterback"???

That stings me and I'm pretty much agnostic -- compared to most -- when it comes to Tebow. And, I would assume, it's a quote that Urban Meyer will not appreciate when it comes to his attention, especially in light of the criticism he's received for what observers see as a QB woefully prepared for success at the next level.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...al-quarterback/

It's a 20 year old football player, chances are he isn't the most articulate person on the planet. I think in that context he meant "traditional" QB. Don't really think this means much anyway. We all know what we are getting out of Tebow right now, a QB that needs to work on a good number of things to become an NFL QB.

 

[thevidon]

I read this as "I don't like having to pay attention to what my QB is doing and just want to run routes mindlessly."

I don't doubt that it's easier for WRs to know before every play starts whether they might need to run block or break off a route due to QB scrambling - but this comment doesn't reflect poorly on the QB imo.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

That's a guy trying to deflect some of the heat he and the other WR's not named Riley Cooper took last year. You don't hear Harvin or Murphy saying anything like that.

 

[gianmarco]

Not sure what the big deal is. He'll be in that room less than Quinn was.....

3 picks off :(

 

[Truman]

Is Jimmy Clausen there?