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I'm really happy for this guy I've never heard of announcing he is a homosexual.

Wow! I feel so great about myself now!

 
Awesome...really hope the pro players who are bashing him get earfuls from their fans and fines from the league...didn't Kobe recently get fined for an anti-gay remark? Really happy the Vikings didn't end up with Wallace...hopefully Greg Jennings willingness to leave didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation!
One little slip up and you pass judgement on a guy?

I'd say you must be perfect but you live in Minneapolis so I know that isn't the case. :lol:
Not a "little slip up" in my mind. The Twins Cities has a very large gay community and I'm excited and optimistic for not only my friends and family this directly affects but for our country as a whole.

Your defending him says a heck of a lot more about you than my judgement does about me...have a great day friend, sorry if this news is endangering your way of life.
I wouldn't want any player to think that way or be dumb enough to say it, but I suspect that you'd have a hard time fielding a competitive team in most sports without some player that are homophobic to some degree.

I'd love to see the world get to a point where that's not the case, but it's probably not going to happen any time soon.

 
Awesome...really hope the pro players who are bashing him get earfuls from their fans and fines from the league...didn't Kobe recently get fined for an anti-gay remark? Really happy the Vikings didn't end up with Wallace...hopefully Greg Jennings willingness to leave didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation!
One little slip up and you pass judgement on a guy?

I'd say you must be perfect but you live in Minneapolis so I know that isn't the case. :lol:
Not a "little slip up" in my mind. The Twins Cities has a very large gay community and I'm excited and optimistic for not only my friends and family this directly affects but for our country as a whole.

Your defending him says a heck of a lot more about you than my judgement does about me...have a great day friend, sorry if this news is endangering your way of life.
How am I defending him?

Do you despise Adrian Peterson because he drives bat f'ing crazy down Minnesota roads/highways endangering innocent people's lives in the process?

Nice work judging me too, looking good.

 
Awesome...really hope the pro players who are bashing him get earfuls from their fans and fines from the league...didn't Kobe recently get fined for an anti-gay remark? Really happy the Vikings didn't end up with Wallace...hopefully Greg Jennings willingness to leave didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation!
One little slip up and you pass judgement on a guy?

I'd say you must be perfect but you live in Minneapolis so I know that isn't the case. :lol:
Not a "little slip up" in my mind. The Twins Cities has a very large gay community and I'm excited and optimistic for not only my friends and family this directly affects but for our country as a whole.

Your defending him says a heck of a lot more about you than my judgement does about me...have a great day friend, sorry if this news is endangering your way of life.
I wouldn't want any player to think that way or be dumb enough to say it, but I suspect that you'd have a hard time fielding a competitive team in most sports without some player that are homophobic to some degree.

I'd love to see the world get to a point where that's not the case, but it's probably not going to happen any time soon.
Oh, I completely agree. Homophobic and ignorant beliefs likely run much stronger in the world of professional sports than they do in the general public. It's asking too much for everyone to understand and be ok with it today, but we are getting there. I just don't want the money I'm spending on my local teams to support players who are choosing to stand up against equality and making it harder for the world to continue moving forward with their homophobic statements.

 
Awesome...really hope the pro players who are bashing him get earfuls from their fans and fines from the league...didn't Kobe recently get fined for an anti-gay remark? Really happy the Vikings didn't end up with Wallace...hopefully Greg Jennings willingness to leave didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation!
One little slip up and you pass judgement on a guy?

I'd say you must be perfect but you live in Minneapolis so I know that isn't the case. :lol:
Not a "little slip up" in my mind. The Twins Cities has a very large gay community and I'm excited and optimistic for not only my friends and family this directly affects but for our country as a whole.

Your defending him says a heck of a lot more about you than my judgement does about me...have a great day friend, sorry if this news is endangering your way of life.
How am I defending him?

Do you despise Adrian Peterson because he drives bat f'ing crazy down Minnesota roads/highways endangering innocent people's lives in the process?

Nice work judging me too, looking good.
Sorry guy, I'm not going to go back and forth and taint this thread with juvenile questions and statements like these. Hope your day gets better...

 
Militant pro gay athlete posse lives here.
Care to explain this comment?
Didn't think it needed explanation. It was a joke about the sensitive majority in this thread who are taking many ridiculous posts way too seriously.
i guess we should have a bunch of jokes about black people then and we can make all sorts of backhanded comments about them and then you can come in to that thread and say that people are taking them to serious and it is ok to make racist jokes see the thing is that hate is hate and the only difference between hate talk to blacks and hate to gays is that it is still for some reason ok social wize to bash gays well i may be old and i may have missed a lot of ships in my day but i am on board with stopping bigotry towards gays because frankly it is the right thing to do so bam thats one more lesson free of charge from the old swcer take that to the bank brochacho

 
jason12vb said:
scrumptrulescent said:
jason12vb said:
scrumptrulescent said:
jason12vb said:
Awesome...really hope the pro players who are bashing him get earfuls from their fans and fines from the league...didn't Kobe recently get fined for an anti-gay remark? Really happy the Vikings didn't end up with Wallace...hopefully Greg Jennings willingness to leave didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation!
One little slip up and you pass judgement on a guy?

I'd say you must be perfect but you live in Minneapolis so I know that isn't the case. :lol:
Not a "little slip up" in my mind. The Twins Cities has a very large gay community and I'm excited and optimistic for not only my friends and family this directly affects but for our country as a whole.

Your defending him says a heck of a lot more about you than my judgement does about me...have a great day friend, sorry if this news is endangering your way of life.
How am I defending him?

Do you despise Adrian Peterson because he drives bat f'ing crazy down Minnesota roads/highways endangering innocent people's lives in the process?

Nice work judging me too, looking good.
Sorry guy, I'm not going to go back and forth and taint this thread with juvenile questions and statements like these. Hope your day gets better...
Completely agree with you but just warn against judging people based on mistakes. Everyone makes them and it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people.

 
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jason12vb said:
Awesome...really hope the pro players who are bashing him get earfuls from their fans and fines from the league...didn't Kobe recently get fined for an anti-gay remark? Really happy the Vikings didn't end up with Wallace...hopefully Greg Jennings willingness to leave didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation!
:lmao: jeez you're "happy" that your favorite football team didn't sign the better player because he has a different opinion than you? You've got issues guy.
 
SWC said:
scrumptrulescent said:
badmojo1006 said:
scrumptrulescent said:
Militant pro gay athlete posse lives here.
Care to explain this comment?
Didn't think it needed explanation. It was a joke about the sensitive majority in this thread who are taking many ridiculous posts way too seriously.
i guess we should have a bunch of jokes about black people then and we can make all sorts of backhanded comments about them and then you can come in to that thread and say that people are taking them to serious and it is ok to make racist jokes see the thing is that hate is hate and the only difference between hate talk to blacks and hate to gays is that it is still for some reason ok social wize to bash gays well i may be old and i may have missed a lot of ships in my day but i am on board with stopping bigotry towards gays because frankly it is the right thing to do so bam thats one more lesson free of charge from the old swcer take that to the bank brochacho
Look at the jokes in the laxative thread. They made me chuckle. So what. Stop being so sensitive.

There is such a thing as going PC overboard you know?

 
You should quote him better, he said quite a bit more than that, said nothing about social issues, and solely stated that, according to his beliefs and what he reads in the Bible, one cannot be a Christian and living a lifestyle that is "open rebellion" to God whether that be homosexual sex, heterosexual sex outside of marriage, lying, cheating, stealing, murder, theft, or anything else.

 
SWC said:
scrumptrulescent said:
badmojo1006 said:
scrumptrulescent said:
Militant pro gay athlete posse lives here.
Care to explain this comment?
Didn't think it needed explanation. It was a joke about the sensitive majority in this thread who are taking many ridiculous posts way too seriously.
i guess we should have a bunch of jokes about black people then and we can make all sorts of backhanded comments about them and then you can come in to that thread and say that people are taking them to serious and it is ok to make racist jokes see the thing is that hate is hate and the only difference between hate talk to blacks and hate to gays is that it is still for some reason ok social wize to bash gays well i may be old and i may have missed a lot of ships in my day but i am on board with stopping bigotry towards gays because frankly it is the right thing to do so bam thats one more lesson free of charge from the old swcer take that to the bank brochacho
:greatposting:

 
GordonGekko said:
randall146 said:
Congrats to him. Just another step in the right direction. I really hope he gets signed somewhere so others aren't even more scared to come out. Everyday "heroes" (active pro athletes) coming out is going to be huge in eliminating bigotry.
Congrats to him?

This is the difference between "perception" and "truth" and how it's used in the media.

Digging a little deeper, Jason Collins, despite being a Stanford graduate and playing nearly 14 seasons in the NBA, is like a lot of pro athletes near the end of their career - near broke to rumblings out there. Also what I'm hearing is he is seen as a non entity as a potential broadcaster, local or national, analyst or coach, at the pro or college level. It's not easy to get into coaching, even for former pros. Esp for big men.

What Jason Collins has done is set himself very nicely for retirement from the league.

David Stern has no choice now, but to offer Collins some kind of league job as a director of some type of outreach program for the NBA or for diversity or unity or media relations or whatever. Because if Collins doesn't get signed with another team and is broke, here are his two main options. Write a tell all book, about everything he's seen and done and known in the NBA. You think Jason Kidd wants the mainstream to know that he carpetbombed Dallas and NJ with STDs for years? When you see the C on Kidd's jersey, it stands for Captain Valtrex. You think Bill Walton wants to deal with the risk of facing questions while he's broadcasting about his gay son, Luke Walton, because Collins outed him in a book? Do you think anyone wants Collins to talk about how the draft is rigged, the way the refs push teams forward or back to extend playoff series and enable better ratings matchups for deep in the playoffs? The other option is to unleash the powerful gay lobby. Which will hammer every corporation who sponsors the NBA and demand that they pressure Stern to hire more gays in the league administration. This is how Martyr lobbyists work - Give us money and give us jobs and hire the "consultants" we promote and develop for your league or business or we will tell everyone you do business with that you hate gays and that everyone we can reach, we will tell them not to do business with you or buy your product or use your service and we will turn the liberal feminist media on you.

Collins now gets a book deal. Collins now, despite being a relatively average to middling player is eligible to speak on the motivational speaking circuit. Collins will get cameras wherever he goes and he can cash in the profit of it. Collin's jerseys will now sell better. He now has carte blanche access to every other openly gay celebrity in any of the arts or mediums. He's now Oprah interview eligible.

Why say it now after all this time? Because it's worth millions upon millions of dollars. Then people will ask, why would a millionaire athlete need anymore millions? The simple answer is he doesn't have millions anymore from being an athlete.

When Joachim Noah, center for the Bulls and Kobe Bryant, shooting guard of the Lakers, made disparging gay remarks caught during games and on camera, both were fined in the tens of thousands of dollars. But the COST to the entire NBA, the Lakers, the Bulls racked up into the millions. Lobbyist swept in quiety and demanded more jobs, more PSAs, more donations to this group, more attention to this issue or that issue, more access to what the league and those franchises have in terms of local and national politics. This is why the gay lobby is very powerful. It extorts, entrenches and then seeks to propagate.

There's truth and then there's perception. I said this last football season with Tim Tebow and the Jets and Creative Artist Agency, that his relationship with Camilla Belle was a CAA setup, and that the conflict with Tebow, the Jets and Woody Johnson was in part due to a rift with CAA and Tebow's other agency. In sports, very few people want to look deeper. There are major power players not near the surface who have a huge impact on the game, any pro game and sport.

Jason Collins is no hero. Not that the media could say any differently if they want to keep their jobs. He's just a guy cashing in on the coat tails of a lobby with big fists, big reach and a hard left hook.

I suspect the usual suspects with show up and use the typical ad hominem defense that Old Man Gekko must be a gay hater. Not true. I hate everyone equally in this world. And there's plenty of reason to hate people just for their lack of character and their personalities than to even bother getting to the rest of them. As I always say, time will tell. I said at the end of last football season, even before the playoffs, that EJ Manuel would be a riser and push into the first round. I think a few people chuckled at me. He was the only QB1 taken in the first round. I told people to pick up Cousins and be prepared to sit RG3 an hour before his team mates were briefed that he was sitting, some people laughed. They laughed at me telling them to sell high right up until Shanahan ran him into the ground Dusty Baker style. I said Darius Reynaud would weaponize and to keep eyes on. During Week 17, championship week for many of you, he scored two return touchdowns. Time will tell, it always does.

Jason Collins is just a profiteer, he's no Gandhi for the gay movement. Some of you will realize that, and will stop burning incense and sacrificing fatted cows at his altar as soon as his book deal gets announced.
I'LL BET HE'S NOT EVEN REALLY GAY!!! :hot:

 
GordonGekko said:
randall146 said:
Congrats to him. Just another step in the right direction. I really hope he gets signed somewhere so others aren't even more scared to come out. Everyday "heroes" (active pro athletes) coming out is going to be huge in eliminating bigotry.
Congrats to him?

This is the difference between "perception" and "truth" and how it's used in the media.

Digging a little deeper, Jason Collins, despite being a Stanford graduate and playing nearly 14 seasons in the NBA, is like a lot of pro athletes near the end of their career - near broke to rumblings out there. Also what I'm hearing is he is seen as a non entity as a potential broadcaster, local or national, analyst or coach, at the pro or college level. It's not easy to get into coaching, even for former pros. Esp for big men.

What Jason Collins has done is set himself very nicely for retirement from the league.

David Stern has no choice now, but to offer Collins some kind of league job as a director of some type of outreach program for the NBA or for diversity or unity or media relations or whatever. Because if Collins doesn't get signed with another team and is broke, here are his two main options. Write a tell all book, about everything he's seen and done and known in the NBA. You think Jason Kidd wants the mainstream to know that he carpetbombed Dallas and NJ with STDs for years? When you see the C on Kidd's jersey, it stands for Captain Valtrex. You think Bill Walton wants to deal with the risk of facing questions while he's broadcasting about his gay son, Luke Walton, because Collins outed him in a book? Do you think anyone wants Collins to talk about how the draft is rigged, the way the refs push teams forward or back to extend playoff series and enable better ratings matchups for deep in the playoffs? The other option is to unleash the powerful gay lobby. Which will hammer every corporation who sponsors the NBA and demand that they pressure Stern to hire more gays in the league administration. This is how Martyr lobbyists work - Give us money and give us jobs and hire the "consultants" we promote and develop for your league or business or we will tell everyone you do business with that you hate gays and that everyone we can reach, we will tell them not to do business with you or buy your product or use your service and we will turn the liberal feminist media on you.

Collins now gets a book deal. Collins now, despite being a relatively average to middling player is eligible to speak on the motivational speaking circuit. Collins will get cameras wherever he goes and he can cash in the profit of it. Collin's jerseys will now sell better. He now has carte blanche access to every other openly gay celebrity in any of the arts or mediums. He's now Oprah interview eligible.

Why say it now after all this time? Because it's worth millions upon millions of dollars. Then people will ask, why would a millionaire athlete need anymore millions? The simple answer is he doesn't have millions anymore from being an athlete.

When Joachim Noah, center for the Bulls and Kobe Bryant, shooting guard of the Lakers, made disparging gay remarks caught during games and on camera, both were fined in the tens of thousands of dollars. But the COST to the entire NBA, the Lakers, the Bulls racked up into the millions. Lobbyist swept in quiety and demanded more jobs, more PSAs, more donations to this group, more attention to this issue or that issue, more access to what the league and those franchises have in terms of local and national politics. This is why the gay lobby is very powerful. It extorts, entrenches and then seeks to propagate.

There's truth and then there's perception. I said this last football season with Tim Tebow and the Jets and Creative Artist Agency, that his relationship with Camilla Belle was a CAA setup, and that the conflict with Tebow, the Jets and Woody Johnson was in part due to a rift with CAA and Tebow's other agency. In sports, very few people want to look deeper. There are major power players not near the surface who have a huge impact on the game, any pro game and sport.

Jason Collins is no hero. Not that the media could say any differently if they want to keep their jobs. He's just a guy cashing in on the coat tails of a lobby with big fists, big reach and a hard left hook.

I suspect the usual suspects with show up and use the typical ad hominem defense that Old Man Gekko must be a gay hater. Not true. I hate everyone equally in this world. And there's plenty of reason to hate people just for their lack of character and their personalities than to even bother getting to the rest of them. As I always say, time will tell. I said at the end of last football season, even before the playoffs, that EJ Manuel would be a riser and push into the first round. I think a few people chuckled at me. He was the only QB1 taken in the first round. I told people to pick up Cousins and be prepared to sit RG3 an hour before his team mates were briefed that he was sitting, some people laughed. They laughed at me telling them to sell high right up until Shanahan ran him into the ground Dusty Baker style. I said Darius Reynaud would weaponize and to keep eyes on. During Week 17, championship week for many of you, he scored two return touchdowns. Time will tell, it always does.

Jason Collins is just a profiteer, he's no Gandhi for the gay movement. Some of you will realize that, and will stop burning incense and sacrificing fatted cows at his altar as soon as his book deal gets announced.
Yes, which is why gay athletes around the globe keep leaping forward to come out of the closet.

 
SWC said:
scrumptrulescent said:
badmojo1006 said:
scrumptrulescent said:
Militant pro gay athlete posse lives here.
Care to explain this comment?
Didn't think it needed explanation. It was a joke about the sensitive majority in this thread who are taking many ridiculous posts way too seriously.
i guess we should have a bunch of jokes about black people then and we can make all sorts of backhanded comments about them and then you can come in to that thread and say that people are taking them to serious and it is ok to make racist jokes see the thing is that hate is hate and the only difference between hate talk to blacks and hate to gays is that it is still for some reason ok social wize to bash gays well i may be old and i may have missed a lot of ships in my day but i am on board with stopping bigotry towards gays because frankly it is the right thing to do so bam thats one more lesson free of charge from the old swcer take that to the bank brochacho
Look at the jokes in the laxative thread. They made me chuckle. So what. Stop being so sensitive.

There is such a thing as going PC overboard you know?
your response to my protesting bigotry and racism is to honestly compare the issue to laxative jokes man come on grow up brohan i am sure you are all young and hip and i work with younger guys and i know its cool to not believe in any thing or whatever well hell here is one for you some day you are going to look back and realize that you were at a place when there was an issue and there were two ways one that was the right way and one that was the look the other way and just say oh you are being to sensitive but let me tell you this in a few years you are going to have to lie down every night and wish that you had stood up for those that needed standing up for when it counted and when you could have mattered and you will realize that you blew it and that is a hell of a thing to have to sleep on brohan for some people it was racism or vietnam or womens rights or any other bunch of stuff but believe me this is one of those things and you only get so many of them in your life and when you have the chance you need to make it count so do not just joke it off and try to be the coolest guy in the room because hey great you are cool but you are missing the boat take that to the truth bank brohan

 
You should quote him better, he said quite a bit more than that, said nothing about social issues, and solely stated that, according to his beliefs and what he reads in the Bible, one cannot be a Christian and living a lifestyle that is "open rebellion" to God whether that be homosexual sex, heterosexual sex outside of marriage, lying, cheating, stealing, murder, theft, or anything else.
While that is a good thing to say, I doubt he treats adultery and sex outside of marriage with the same dislike as what he said about gays.

 
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You should quote him better, he said quite a bit more than that, said nothing about social issues, and solely stated that, according to his beliefs and what he reads in the Bible, one cannot be a Christian and living a lifestyle that is "open rebellion" to God whether that be homosexual sex, heterosexual sex outside of marriage, lying, cheating, stealing, murder, theft, or anything else.
While that is a good thing to say, I doubt he treats adultery and sex outside of marriage with the same dislike as what he said about gays.
Yes, but do we really want to go to the place where we just assume whatever we want to about people even though we have no evidence and they are saying something different?

Because at that point, what's the point of "truth" even existing?

If he says he sees it as all the same, do we have a choice but to take him at his word until he shows differently?

also, what do you mean by "what he said about gays"? That it is open rebellion to God? Because in the link he outright says a whole list of other things.

 
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jason12vb said:
scrumptrulescent said:
jason12vb said:
Awesome...really hope the pro players who are bashing him get earfuls from their fans and fines from the league...didn't Kobe recently get fined for an anti-gay remark? Really happy the Vikings didn't end up with Wallace...hopefully Greg Jennings willingness to leave didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation!
One little slip up and you pass judgement on a guy?

I'd say you must be perfect but you live in Minneapolis so I know that isn't the case. :lol:
Not a "little slip up" in my mind. The Twins Cities has a very large gay community and I'm excited and optimistic for not only my friends and family this directly affects but for our country as a whole.

Your defending him says a heck of a lot more about you than my judgement does about me...have a great day friend, sorry if this news is endangering your way of life.
Says what about what? Wallace made a dumb comment. But there was nothing hateful about it.

 
GordonGekko said:
randall146 said:
Congrats to him. Just another step in the right direction. I really hope he gets signed somewhere so others aren't even more scared to come out. Everyday "heroes" (active pro athletes) coming out is going to be huge in eliminating bigotry.
I suspect the usual suspects with show up and use the typical ad hominem defense that Old Man Gekko must be a gay hater. Not true. I hate everyone equally in this world. And there's plenty of reason to hate people just for their lack of character and their personalities than to even bother getting to the rest of them. As I always say, time will tell. I said at the end of last football season, even before the playoffs, that EJ Manuel would be a riser and push into the first round. I think a few people chuckled at me. He was the only QB1 taken in the first round. I told people to pick up Cousins and be prepared to sit RG3 an hour before his team mates were briefed that he was sitting, some people laughed. They laughed at me telling them to sell high right up until Shanahan ran him into the ground Dusty Baker style. I said Darius Reynaud would weaponize and to keep eyes on. During Week 17, championship week for many of you, he scored two return touchdowns. Time will tell, it always does.
What does this paragraph have to do with Jason Collins and his attempt to blackmail the league?

 
You should quote him better, he said quite a bit more than that, said nothing about social issues, and solely stated that, according to his beliefs and what he reads in the Bible, one cannot be a Christian and living a lifestyle that is "open rebellion" to God whether that be homosexual sex, heterosexual sex outside of marriage, lying, cheating, stealing, murder, theft, or anything else.
While that is a good thing to say, I doubt he treats adultery and sex outside of marriage with the same dislike as what he said about gays.
Yes, but do we really want to go to the place where we just assume whatever we want to about people even though we have no evidence and they are saying something different?

Because at that point, what's the point of "truth" even existing?

If he says he sees it as all the same, do we have a choice but to take him at his word until he shows differently?

also, what do you mean by "what he said about gays"? That it is open rebellion to God? Because in the link he outright says a whole list of other things.
My point is this, do you think that Chris Broussard would have the balls to tell Kobe Bryant on national TV that he was a sinner when he was caught cheating on wife and getting accused of rape.

I am just tired of people who likes to pick and choose what verses of the bible to use that meets their beliefs. He better hope that closet of his is clean or people might throw out another bible verse to him about casting the first stone

 
You should quote him better, he said quite a bit more than that, said nothing about social issues, and solely stated that, according to his beliefs and what he reads in the Bible, one cannot be a Christian and living a lifestyle that is "open rebellion" to God whether that be homosexual sex, heterosexual sex outside of marriage, lying, cheating, stealing, murder, theft, or anything else.
While that is a good thing to say, I doubt he treats adultery and sex outside of marriage with the same dislike as what he said about gays.
This is my issue with the "Christian" opposition to homosexuality. Far right "Christian" Republicans have no problem supporting a people that deny the existence of Jesus Christ as lord and savior, but they will go to the ditch over gay people wanting rights? Doesn't make sense.

 
You should quote him better, he said quite a bit more than that, said nothing about social issues, and solely stated that, according to his beliefs and what he reads in the Bible, one cannot be a Christian and living a lifestyle that is "open rebellion" to God whether that be homosexual sex, heterosexual sex outside of marriage, lying, cheating, stealing, murder, theft, or anything else.
Do Christians equate loving another human being to murder, theft, etc?

 
scrumptrulescent said:
badmojo1006 said:
scrumptrulescent said:
Militant pro gay athlete posse lives here.
Care to explain this comment?
Didn't think it needed explanation. It was a joke about the sensitive majority in this thread who are taking many ridiculous posts way too seriously.
Thank god we have you here to tell us what's really going on.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Juxtatarot said:
D-Day said:
Wow, ESPN.com is still headlining the Tebow story over this story.
I'm not sure this is that big of a story. It would be if he were still under contract.
Or if he wasn't one of the worst players in the history of the league.
It's pretty impressive how bad Jason Collins was statistically last year.

He had a PER of 3.0. He shot 31 percent from the floor. He had a TRB% of 9.2, which means he grabs 9.2 percent of all available rebounds while he's on the floor. That makes him a below average rebounder, not just compared to other centers, but measured against all players.

I know statistics don't tell the whole story, especially when it comes to defensive-minded post players. But his numbers are awful even when compared to other oafs.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Juxtatarot said:
D-Day said:
Wow, ESPN.com is still headlining the Tebow story over this story.
I'm not sure this is that big of a story. It would be if he were still under contract.
Or if he wasn't one of the worst players in the history of the league.
It's pretty impressive how bad Jason Collins was statistically last year.

He had a PER of 3.0. He shot 31 percent from the floor. He had a TRB% of 9.2, which means he grabs 9.2 percent of all available rebounds while he's on the floor. That makes him a below average rebounder, not just compared to other centers, but measured against all players.

I know statistics don't tell the whole story, especially when it comes to defensive-minded post players. But his numbers are awful even when compared to other oafs.
Yup. He must be a helluva good guy to have around the locker room and mentoring younger players. He has always been 100% replaceable skill-wise but always managed to find a job. Good for him to make a career out of what he had.

 
shader said:
timschochet said:
shader said:
D-Day said:
Wow, ESPN.com is still headlining the Tebow story over this story.
Probably because the Tebow story has something to do with sports. This doesn't.
The Tebow story has much less to do with sports than this one does. If Tim Tebow wasn't glorified by religious Christians in this country who see him as some sort of representative, he would not have been mentioned this morning. Back up quarterbacks get cut all the time.
I don't think the attention on Tebow is primarily due to his religious views. I think it's due to his unbelievable college career and the absolutely amazing (weird but still amazing) season he had when he was the starter.
:lmao:

 
And how the hell can you have an issues with heterosexual people like Chris Broussard mentions and work for ESPN in the first place. He must be the most judgmental looking down on person in that building because 90% of the people in Bristol are sinners according to his definition of the bible.

 
You should quote him better, he said quite a bit more than that, said nothing about social issues, and solely stated that, according to his beliefs and what he reads in the Bible, one cannot be a Christian and living a lifestyle that is "open rebellion" to God whether that be homosexual sex, heterosexual sex outside of marriage, lying, cheating, stealing, murder, theft, or anything else.
While that is a good thing to say, I doubt he treats adultery and sex outside of marriage with the same dislike as what he said about gays.
Except he explicitely compares homosexual sex to heterosexaul sex outside of marriage. We can only go on what he says. It's hard to take issue with what he said in the interview.

 
It's funny -- I'm just a hair turned off by the "look at me" aspect of his article. Why not just say "yup, I'm gay," and leaving it at that?

 
It's funny -- I'm just a hair turned off by the "look at me" aspect of his article. Why not just say "yup, I'm gay," and leaving it at that?
Because it IS a big deal. It's awesome that most people are shrugging their shoulders and moving on. But it's a big deal to be the first to come out and doing it this way lets him map out the conversation a bit instead of a short statement on twitter where comments and backlash can attach to the original article.
 
And how the hell can you have an issues with heterosexual people like Chris Broussard mentions and work for ESPN in the first place. He must be the most judgmental looking down on person in that building because 90% of the people in Bristol are sinners according to his definition of the bible.
I'm sure he would say 100% of all people are sinners.
 
Well first of all "Yup I'm gay" doesn't really look good on a sports illustrated article. I don't have a problem with explaining what he had to go through to finally come out. According to the article he told nobody not even his own family. There is a definitely a story

But I agree that making this a huge deal is a bit of a reach. I have heard people compare this to Jackie Robinson which is a stupid argument. Maybe 1993 it would be true when the majority of America still treated gays like these evil monsters of society. But that has changed except for vocal minorities. Plus Jason Collins probably won't play next year because he is pretty below average guy who has been in the league mostly because he is tall. To me it will be a bigger deal when a true star comes out. Someone that you have to take seriously just when Magic Johnson got HIV

 
SWC said:
zed2283 said:
Juxtatarot said:
The gay jokes in here really aren't funny.

Too bad he won't be in the league next year.
Actually, they are.
actually all star they are not funny at all and to all the super awesome internet tough guys who can make fun of him here without putting your name up i bet if you get in front of him you do not say a thing to him remember he is the seven foot guy who could probably snap you like a twig unless the pizza rolls have made your belly full of jelly which is likely so just stop cripes the internet has kept the jerk store in business for a lot of years but you guys take the cake and talk about a whole lot of hat but not cattle that describes the lot of you so i say good day to you and for those that are with me keep on keepin on and take it to the bank riders of brohan and that is one to grow on from the old swcer
I can rarely understand a thing you say SWC, but on this I have to agree with what's at the heart of your comment.

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FFA challenge: finish this joke -

MOP and Shader walk into a bar. A flamboyant black man sits down beside them and asks them what they're drinking....

 
Meh. Don't care. Actually kind of tired the way we have to celebrate like we just ended slavery every time a gay person comes out of the closet.

Good for him...now let's get back to the game.

 
I wonder if Joe is ready for a FBG to come out in his own thread?

Scuttlebutt is we have a couple here. One tried starting a 'coming out' thread to open up some conversation, but it was deleted.

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And how the hell can you have an issues with heterosexual people like Chris Broussard mentions and work for ESPN in the first place. He must be the most judgmental looking down on person in that building because 90% of the people in Bristol are sinners according to his definition of the bible.
There's sinners everywhere. Working at espn doesn't mean he endorses his coworkers sins.
 
I played poker at a card club with him about 10 years ago. i check raised him with an open ended draw and caught my straight on the river. He handled the beat well. People were asking him what he was doing in town and he said he was visiting his parents. Seemed like a nice guy. He dropped a few hundred pretty quick and bolted.

 

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