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Tennessee: from 13-3 to 0-6 (1 Viewer)

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How on earth does a team go from 13-3 last season to 0-6 including a slightly embarrasing 59-0 loss earlier this evening?

And don't tell me Albert Hannesworth....

Someone please enlightne me on some of the possible reasons surrounding this.

Thanks very much........(a disgruntled CJ owner)

 
It actually began last year. If you recall, they began 10-0. They went 3-3 the rest of the way, then lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

So, since the 10-0 start, they have been 3-10. Thirteen weeks of not being a very good team.

 
This huge shift is certainly surprising, but I think the loss of Jim Schwartz is bigger than expected. The pass coverages are full of holes every week, in a way that's not sufficiently explained by personnel. I think scheme is a big part of it.

Another part of it is just the way that losing snowballs and exaggerates problems within the franchise.

 
I never thought a Jeff Fisher-coached team would crash & burn like this. Not a lot of hope right now either. Just too many big problems.

 
not familiar with schartz, what's his story in this situation?

anyways no albert =

1. no trench dominance

2. no pass rush/run stop

3. exposed secondary

4. points put on board

5. cant run much being down a lot

6. exposes nonexistent passing game

7. lendale loses weight and the world ends

 
0-6 is certainly a surprise. Losing the way they did today is an even bigger surprise, which can't be explained.

However, to me overall the biggest surprise is not this season but last season. I looked at that team last year and I couldn't figure out how they were doing it. There was no particular formula to all those games they were winning. I thought it was a tremendous coaching job by Fisher, and it reminded me a little of Bill Cowher's coaching jobs in the mid 90s. This season reminds me of Cowher's Steelers who collapsed in the late 90s (though those teams never started out 0-6).

In the end, like with Cowher's Steelers before the arrival of Big Ben, it is very difficult to win in this league without an elite QB. A good defense and a running game can only get you so far, and the problem is there are usually too many workable parts to that equation, so if a few of them break down (like a couple linemen get hurt or a defensive star leaves, etc.) everything falls apart. Unless you have that QB that can keep you winning through the injuries. If you're stuck with a journeyman or a draft bust, your chances of success are dim.

 
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Their defensive backfield has been decimated with injuries... Finnegan, Harper, Griffen, Fuller. The loss of A.Haynesworth is clearly showing in their lack of pass rush. The 2008 version of K.Collins was good enough game manager to get by, ala T.Dilfer in Baltimore (at least until the playoffs.) The '09 version of K.Collins is not so good.

 
timschochet said:
0-6 is certainly a surprise. Losing the way they did today is an even bigger surprise, which can't be explained.

However, to me overall the biggest surprise is not this season but last season. I looked at that team last year and I couldn't figure out how they were doing it. There was no particular formula to all those games they were winning. I thought it was a tremendous coaching job by Fisher, and it reminded me a little of Bill Cowher's coaching jobs in the mid 90s. This season reminds me of Cowher's Steelers who collapsed in the late 90s (though those teams never started out 0-6).

In the end, like with Cowher's Steelers before the arrival of Big Ben, it is very difficult to win in this league without an elite QB. A good defense and a running game can only get you so far, and the problem is there are usually too many workable parts to that equation, so if a few of them break down (like a couple linemen get hurt or a defensive star leaves, etc.) everything falls apart. Unless you have that QB that can keep you winning through the injuries. If you're stuck with a journeyman or a draft bust, your chances of success are dim.
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thekidd2009 said:
timschochet said:
0-6 is certainly a surprise. Losing the way they did today is an even bigger surprise, which can't be explained.

However, to me overall the biggest surprise is not this season but last season. I looked at that team last year and I couldn't figure out how they were doing it. There was no particular formula to all those games they were winning. I thought it was a tremendous coaching job by Fisher, and it reminded me a little of Bill Cowher's coaching jobs in the mid 90s. This season reminds me of Cowher's Steelers who collapsed in the late 90s (though those teams never started out 0-6).

In the end, like with Cowher's Steelers before the arrival of Big Ben, it is very difficult to win in this league without an elite QB. A good defense and a running game can only get you so far, and the problem is there are usually too many workable parts to that equation, so if a few of them break down (like a couple linemen get hurt or a defensive star leaves, etc.) everything falls apart. Unless you have that QB that can keep you winning through the injuries. If you're stuck with a journeyman or a draft bust, your chances of success are dim.
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Last year everything broke right. They were fairly healthy and their defense was top notch. Haynesworth is a huge loss, not only for what he does but the double teams on him allowed others to run wild. That aint happenin this year.

Their QB play has been bad, wr play awful, special teams ridiculously bad and they've got a ton of injuries. Basically, last year was a dream season where everything broke right and this year is the complete opposite where everything has fallen apart.

 
Couch Potato said:
It actually began last year. If you recall, they began 10-0. They went 3-3 the rest of the way, then lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. So, since the 10-0 start, they have been 3-10. Thirteen weeks of not being a very good team.
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I think the 10-0 start was a really good mix of being lucky and hot at the same time. 3-10 seems right for this roster, Haynesworth or not.
 
Penguin said:
Their defensive backfield has been decimated with injuries... Finnegan, Harper, Griffen, Fuller. The loss of A.Haynesworth is clearly showing in their lack of pass rush. The 2008 version of K.Collins was good enough game manager to get by, ala T.Dilfer in Baltimore (at least until the playoffs.) The '09 version of K.Collins is not so good.
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:lmao: This explains it in a nutshell.
 
Playing the Pats in the snow is a great metaphor for the Titans 2009 season. The losses piled up early in tough fashion, and because of injuries and frustration, they played worse every week. The Jags loss probably should have clued us all in that the wheels fell off - but much of the country gave the Titans the benefit of the doubt after that. Now - ugh.

 
Jerry Lawler said:
This huge shift is certainly surprising, but I think the loss of Jim Schwartz is bigger than expected. The pass coverages are full of holes every week, in a way that's not sufficiently explained by personnel. I think scheme is a big part of it.Another part of it is just the way that losing snowballs and exaggerates problems within the franchise.
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SchwartzHonestly, the Titans aren't an overly talented team at the important positions. there's CJ and the OL is solid, Bulluck is still decent and there are some others but nobody that can take over a game. They didn't need that last year because they were playing as a team, they aren't doing that now.
 
Their stats don't look so bad. But they don't seem to be able to score when they have to, or stop the other team from scoring when they have to. Offense looks about the same. Defense is much worse, but the New England game obviously has a lot to do with this.

Last year: #9 in pass defense, #6 in rush defense, #7 overall.

In offense, #7 in rushing, #27 in passing, #21 overall.

This year:

#32 in pass defense, #10 in rush defense, #31 overall. (New England game obviously has a lot to do with this).

In offense, #7 in rushing, #24 in passing, #21 overall.

Any thoughts about the collapse?

 
I never thought they were as good as their record indicated last year. I think their downfall was fairly predictable, although perhaps not quite to this extent.

 
Bojang0301 said:
Jim Schwartz, Albert Haynesworth, Collins reverting back to where his actual playing mean is? :shrugs:
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:thumbup: The scary thing is that they have lost the last 3 games by over 100 points combined. It looks like they've quit on Fisher. He could be done sooner than people think.
 
The Titans haven't been the same since McNair died.

Gallows humor, I know -- but Fisher said McNair was like a son to him. Any emotional impact of his death on the team this year?

 
Its all on Lendale White.

1) Dececrating the Terrible towel

2) No longer drinking tequila

On their bye week, hopefully White takes a long weekend to Tiujuana and gets some of his mojo back! A few triple Whoppers from Burger King would help as well.

 
Actually you all have it wrong....

The Titanics haven't won a regular season game since their scrub punter hit the video board in Jerry Land.

 
sheckiec said:
Actually you all have it wrong....The Titanics haven't won a regular season game since their scrub punter hit the video board in Jerry Land.
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if all the Titans have to show for the season is their punter showing off Jerry Jones in an exhibition game, that's sad.
 
Sammy Traveller said:
The Titans haven't been the same since McNair died.Gallows humor, I know -- but Fisher said McNair was like a son to him. Any emotional impact of his death on the team this year?
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I doubt it. McNair hadn't been a Titan since 2005, so most of the players on the current team likely never played with him.
 
Penguin said:
Their defensive backfield has been decimated with injuries... Finnegan, Harper, Griffen, Fuller. The loss of A.Haynesworth is clearly showing in their lack of pass rush. The 2008 version of K.Collins was good enough game manager to get by, ala T.Dilfer in Baltimore (at least until the playoffs.) The '09 version of K.Collins is not so good.
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thisfrom peter kings mmqb:Last year, in the first six games of the season, Tennessee allowed seven touchdowns.Yesterday, in a 36-minute span against New England, Tennessee allowed eight touchdowns
 
1. Defensive backfield decimated by injuries

2. Kerry Collins severe regression from 2008

3. No Albert Haynesworth to take attention away from defensive linemates.

The Titans need to figure out their qb situation. Collins is not the answer and neither is Vince Young.

 
Yeah, you'd almost think that Norv Turner started coaching the team......

lol

I know the injuries on defense dont help, but the whole offense seems to be out of sync too. not sure what exactly it is...... I know Collins is old and the wheels have to fall off sometime.

I'm sure that is part of it too.

either way, it's not lookin good.

 
kdt said:
you already know the answer, it is albert haynesworth...
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-- He doesn't play DB-- He doesn't play QB-- He doesn't coach the secondary-- He doesn't call the plays-- He doesn't (mis)manage the roster-- He doesn't return punts or kicks-- He doesn't play 12 yards off of the WR-- He doesn't bite on the play fake or arm pump-- He doesn't let the inmates manage the asylum-- Do they miss him? Sure...but him being gone is only a very small part of the problem.
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Chuck Cecil.
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-- I don't know what the problem is...but everytime a big pass play happened, I swear, the safeties were more out of position than the 2 rookie corners.*********What we are seeing is the culmination of years of Fisher's Nero/Obama complex. His head got so big that it has evidently sprung a leak. Hello, Mike Mularkey, Leslie Frazier, or Cam Cameron.
 
fantasizing said:
How on earth does a team go from 13-3 last season to 0-6 including a slightly embarrasing 59-0 loss earlier this evening?And don't tell me Albert Hannesworth....Someone please enlightne me on some of the possible reasons surrounding this.Thanks very much........(a disgruntled CJ owner)
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Can only mean one thing...Collins is on the booze again. Just kidding but it is weird. I understand all of the points above but Fisher has always done a good job pulling the team together and doing a lot with very little. If they let Fisher go for this one season, it will be a mistake. M
 
The Front Office and Coaching Staff had to know that they were on borrowed time (at best)with Collins and that Young was quite likely a bust. Why did nobody try and address this in the off season? I'm not saying trade up for Sanchez, but a TE in the 3rd round with Collins and Young as your QBs seems a mite puzzling. Were there no projects available? Why couldn't have forked over the money for Cassel or Culter?

 
I can think of a long term collapse that is currently in effect that rivals this.

The Raiders after their SB loss to Tampa. The wheels fell completely off and they haven't been able to find any way out of their dilemma. I think that loss was the straw that finally broke Davis' sanity. He's been chasing after rainbow's ever since.

 
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