Texans RB situation and implications (real-world and fantasy) (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

and here we go

Ben Tate - RB - Texans
Speaking Monday, Ben Tate (ribs) said he thinks he will play in Sunday's Week 9 game against the Colts.
Tate, who has four broken ribs, insists he's better off that he was when he played through the issue in Week 7. We'll see. If that's the case, he should be in for a major workload as Arian Foster is nursing a hamstring injury. Tate needs to be owned in all formats while we see how this backfield shakes out.


Source: Tania Ganguli on Twitter
Oct 28 - 12:53 PM

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Arian Foster - RB - Texans
Arian Foster (hamstring) and Ben Tate (ribs) both did not practice Monday.
The Texans are holding a workout Monday as they come out of their bye. Both Foster and Tate say they are feeling much better and plan on playing against the Colts Sunday, but we'll have to see how they progress once real preparations begin on Wednesday. The Texans have protected themselves by signing two running backs (Deji Karim, Dennis Johnson) and are expected to add Ray Graham off their practice squad. For now, consider Foster and Tate questionable.

 

[jsharlan]

I still say they will both be active on Sunday.

 

[loose circuits]

so pick up all 3 then, great...

 

[cstu]

Looks like they brought in all three guys - Karim, Graham, and Dennis Johnson.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/10/qb-question-hangs-over-texans-as-they-return-from-bye/

Seems like a pretty clear indicator that they're concerned about Foster and Tate. Place your bets on which of the three will get a shot, however. Karim lost his roster spot at the end of camp to Cierre Wood. Johnson was cut before that, and spent time on Cleveland's practice squad. Graham, as previously discussed, has been on Houston's practice squad.

I'd tentatively rank them: Karim, Johnson, Graham.

I agree.

 

[saintfool]

meh. they'll tape up Tate. broken ribs? pffft.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Coach Gary Kubiak stated Monday he anticipates making a late-week decision on the availability of Arian Foster (hamstring) and Ben Tate (ribs).
"Very concerned," Kubiak said. "We understand Ben’s situation. I think they’re both going to give us everything they can to try to play this week. I don’t think we’re going to know anything until later in the week." The Texans have signed three running backs since Saturday -- Deji Karim, Dennis Johnson, and Ray Graham. Tate has been adamant he will play in Week 9, while Foster has been less committal, though Arian does expect to practice at some point.

Source: Houston Chronicle

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Speaking Monday, Ben Tate (ribs) said he thinks he will play in Sunday's Week 9 game against the Colts.
Tate, who has four broken ribs, insists he's better off that he was when he played through the issue in Week 7. We'll see. If that's the case, he should be in for a major workload as Arian Foster is nursing a hamstring injury. Tate needs to be owned in all formats while we see how this backfield shakes out.

Source: Tania Ganguli on Twitter

 

[Faust]

Arian Foster, Ben Tate injuries concern Gary Kubiak

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Speaking Wednesday, coach Gary Kubiak said he expects Arian Foster (hamstring) and Ben Tate (ribs) to be game-time decisions for Week 9.
This is shaping up as a hairy situation for owners because the Texans and Colts play on Sunday Night Football this week. We might not have official word on the status of these two backs until 7pm ET. Of course, it's still early in the week and we'll get plenty of clues from practice participation. For what it's worth, Tate appears more optimistic than Foster. If they both sit, the Texans will have to turn to a committee approach featuring Ray Graham, Dennis Johnson and Deji Karim.

Related: Ben Tate

Source: Kevin Bowen on Twitter

Ben Tate (ribs) was limited in practice Wednesday.
Tate has four cracked ribs. John McClain of the Houston Chronicle believes Tate will be able to play Sunday night. The Texans can wrap his torso up and apply extra padding to the area. It's fair to wonder how effective Tate will be, though. Arian Foster (hamstring) did not participate in Wednesday's practice.

Source: John McClain on Twitter

Arian Foster (hamstring) did not practice Wednesday.
Ben Tate, who's dealing with four broken ribs, practiced, though his participation level is uncertain. Coach Gary Kubiak said earlier Wednesday that both running backs will be game-time decisions for Sunday Night Football vs. Indy.

Source: John McClain on Twitter

 

[KellysHeroes]

Interesting

Free agent RB Cierre Wood passed a drug test shortly after his release by the Texans.
Wood was allegedly waived for smoking marijuana with Sam Montgomery and Willie Jefferson at the Texans' team hotel in Kansas City three weeks ago. The players insist they were smoking a non-marijuana cigar. Wood and Montgomery have since begun to make visits to other teams. Wood visited the Jaguars on Tuesday, and the Bengals offered Montgomery a practice squad spot.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Interesting

Free agent RB Cierre Wood passed a drug test shortly after his release by the Texans.
Wood was allegedly waived for smoking marijuana with Sam Montgomery and Willie Jefferson at the Texans' team hotel in Kansas City three weeks ago. The players insist they were smoking a non-marijuana cigar. Wood and Montgomery have since begun to make visits to other teams. Wood visited the Jaguars on Tuesday, and the Bengals offered Montgomery a practice squad spot.

Outside of the HOU situation, it's probably worth keeping tabs on Wood to see where he lands.

 

[JFS171]

Interesting

Free agent RB Cierre Wood passed a drug test shortly after his release by the Texans.
Wood was allegedly waived for smoking marijuana with Sam Montgomery and Willie Jefferson at the Texans' team hotel in Kansas City three weeks ago. The players insist they were smoking a non-marijuana cigar. Wood and Montgomery have since begun to make visits to other teams. Wood visited the Jaguars on Tuesday, and the Bengals offered Montgomery a practice squad spot.

Outside of the HOU situation, it's probably worth keeping tabs on Wood to see where he lands.

Agreed - not sure why he wouldn't sign with Jacksonville unless a contract wasn't offered. Could have turned out a starting RB there next year.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Interesting

Free agent RB Cierre Wood passed a drug test shortly after his release by the Texans.

Wood was allegedly waived for smoking marijuana with Sam Montgomery and Willie Jefferson at the Texans' team hotel in Kansas City three weeks ago. The players insist they were smoking a non-marijuana cigar. Wood and Montgomery have since begun to make visits to other teams. Wood visited the Jaguars on Tuesday, and the Bengals offered Montgomery a practice squad spot.

Outside of the HOU situation, it's probably worth keeping tabs on Wood to see where he lands.

Agreed - not sure why he wouldn't sign with Jacksonville unless a contract wasn't offered. Could have turned out a starting RB there next year.

Or maybe he's just not good?

 

[cstu]

My gut feeling is they let Foster sit this week and let Tate play despite his ribs.

 

[SameSongNDance]

My gut feeling is they let Foster sit this week and let Tate play despite his ribs.

This is essentially the general consensus amongst most experts this week. I keep reading how Tate is a must/add hold and due to the sheer volume of touches he would receive he'd reach RB2 status for the week.

Assuming the aforementioned situation does play out, I'd still be a bit worried about how effective he'd actually be. Just watching Richardson last year, he was much more tentative after injuring his ribs and it obviously capped his upside.

Of course, the match-up isn't that great either. IND has allowed the 7th least fantasy points to RBs this season. IMO, Tate would be rather TD dependent.

Ultimately, my gut tells me that this is generally a situation to avoid. I think Tate could make for a decent flex (again, assuming Foster sits) but there's a lot of red flags here.

 

[ex-ghost]

Both practiced today, but Tate was "limited".

 

[Rove!]

I remember Tomlinson in 2005 had a rib injury and his season did a swan dive in the final 4 games

 

[Amused to Death]

From Rotoworld:

Arian Foster (hamstring) returned to Texans practice Thursday, and took "positive steps," according to coach Gary Kubiak.
It sounds like there's a chance Foster will be listed as "full," but he'll likely be "limited. Kubiak plans to "evaluate Foster's game status" on Friday. Foster will probably still be labeled a "game-time decision," but another positive day of practice would have him on track to start Sunday night's game against the Colts. Oct 31 - 2:42 PM
Source: Texans on Twitter

 

[cstu]

My gut feeling is they let Foster sit this week and let Tate play despite his ribs.

This is essentially the general consensus amongst most experts this week. I keep reading how Tate is a must/add hold and due to the sheer volume of touches he would receive he'd reach RB2 status for the week.

Assuming the aforementioned situation does play out, I'd still be a bit worried about how effective he'd actually be. Just watching Richardson last year, he was much more tentative after injuring his ribs and it obviously capped his upside.

Of course, the match-up isn't that great either. IND has allowed the 7th least fantasy points to RBs this season. IMO, Tate would be rather TD dependent.

Ultimately, my gut tells me that this is generally a situation to avoid. I think Tate could make for a decent flex (again, assuming Foster sits) but there's a lot of red flags here.

Is this for PPR? Their pass defense is pretty good but they are 29th in rushing yard allowed and 26th in yard per rush allowed.

 

[SameSongNDance]

My gut feeling is they let Foster sit this week and let Tate play despite his ribs.

This is essentially the general consensus amongst most experts this week. I keep reading how Tate is a must/add hold and due to the sheer volume of touches he would receive he'd reach RB2 status for the week.

Assuming the aforementioned situation does play out, I'd still be a bit worried about how effective he'd actually be. Just watching Richardson last year, he was much more tentative after injuring his ribs and it obviously capped his upside.

Of course, the match-up isn't that great either. IND has allowed the 7th least fantasy points to RBs this season. IMO, Tate would be rather TD dependent.

Ultimately, my gut tells me that this is generally a situation to avoid. I think Tate could make for a decent flex (again, assuming Foster sits) but there's a lot of red flags here.

Is this for PPR? Their pass defense is pretty good but they are 29th in rushing yard allowed and 26th in yard per rush allowed.

It's standard. Am I reading this wrong?

They're giving up the 8th least (14.2PPG) btw, not 7th.

 

[cstu]

My gut feeling is they let Foster sit this week and let Tate play despite his ribs.

This is essentially the general consensus amongst most experts this week. I keep reading how Tate is a must/add hold and due to the sheer volume of touches he would receive he'd reach RB2 status for the week.

Assuming the aforementioned situation does play out, I'd still be a bit worried about how effective he'd actually be. Just watching Richardson last year, he was much more tentative after injuring his ribs and it obviously capped his upside.

Of course, the match-up isn't that great either. IND has allowed the 7th least fantasy points to RBs this season. IMO, Tate would be rather TD dependent.

Ultimately, my gut tells me that this is generally a situation to avoid. I think Tate could make for a decent flex (again, assuming Foster sits) but there's a lot of red flags here.

Is this for PPR? Their pass defense is pretty good but they are 29th in rushing yard allowed and 26th in yard per rush allowed.

It's standard. Am I reading this wrong?

They're giving up the 8th least (14.2PPG) btw, not 7th.

You're right it right. I forgot that Pryor and Russel dropped 100 yards on them and that skews their stats.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ben Tate (ribs) remained limited in Thursday's practice.
Tate appears likely to suit up for Sunday night's game against the Colts, but Arian Foster (hamstring) is also trending in the right direction. Tate would be a dicey FLEX option if Foster suits up. Even if Foster doesn't play, Tate wouldn't be more than an RB3 as he plays at significantly less than 100 percent. His status will be updated on Friday.

Related: Arian Foster

Source: Tania Ganguli on Twitter

Arian Foster (hamstring) returned to Texans practice Thursday, and took "positive steps," according to coach Gary Kubiak.
It sounds like there's a chance Foster will be listed as "full," but he'll likely be "limited. Kubiak plans to "evaluate Foster's game status" on Friday. Foster will probably still be labeled a "game-time decision," but another positive day of practice would have him on track to start Sunday night's game against the Colts.

Related: Ben Tate

Source: Texans on Twitter

 

[UFGator0587]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva13m
On SportsCenter, ESPN's John Clayton on Arian Foster's Week 9 status: "I'd say questionable at best and maybe even doubtful."

 

[nobiz]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva13m
On SportsCenter, ESPN's John Clayton on Arian Foster's Week 9 status: "I'd say questionable at best and maybe even doubtful."

ESPN also said last Sunday morning that Murray would go against the Lions. 'm only trusting team beat writers.

 

[GregR]

Kubiak said in his noon presser that Tate is ready to play Sunday, Foster will be a game time decision.

 

[Rove!]

Kubiak said in his noon presser that Tate is ready to play Sunday, Foster will be a game time decision.

he's going to stink it with broken ribs, IMHO

 

[donkshow]

Being an 8:30 game, if we've heard nothing more definitive by 12:30, are you guys benching him or risking it?

 

[Plaid Boxer]

The 8:30 start isn't helping either. I've had Tate rostered waiting for something like this, probably have to go in another direction.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

 

[Amused to Death]

Being an 8:30 game, if we've heard nothing more definitive by 12:30, are you guys benching him or risking it?

If Foster's playing I'll start him. Otherwise I have Tate queued up and ready to plug in last minute.

 

[GregR]

Being an 8:30 game, if we've heard nothing more definitive by 12:30, are you guys benching him or risking it?

If I had much depth, and I have a pretty strong team around them, then I'd go with someone else. I'm going with AP and Stacy in one league and Morris and Lynch in the other, pretty much regardless. Though I wish now I'd gone with Giovani in the latter.

If you have no depth or need to really hit a homerun to make up for the rest of your roster, I suppose you might gamble then. Having a MNF RB would help.

 

[Johnny Blood]

Tate aside, which of the three backups would you project to have the most value if Foster is out?

 

[donkshow]

Being an 8:30 game, if we've heard nothing more definitive by 12:30, are you guys benching him or risking it?

If I had much depth, and I have a pretty strong team around them, then I'd go with someone else. I'm going with AP and Stacy in one league and Morris and Lynch in the other, pretty much regardless. Though I wish now I'd gone with Giovani in the latter.

If you have no depth or need to really hit a homerun to make up for the rest of your roster, I suppose you might gamble then. Having a MNF RB would help.

I've got Thomas vs. the Bills at 1pm. Might just roll with that.

WORST case scenario, I have Franklin going Monday to swap out for last minute. Though that's good for less than 1 point.

 

[nobiz]

My situation is down to Tate v Shonn Greene- leaning Tate but I don't know why.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sad thing is Foster and Tate could either or both go out after any given play. Worst thing in the world to start a player and see them just hop out in the middle of the game or especially after it had just started.

 

[Faust]

Kubiak said in his noon presser that Tate is ready to play Sunday, Foster will be a game time decision.

Rotoworld:

The Texans are considering Arian Foster (questionable, hamstring) a "game-time decision" for Week 9 against the Colts.
Foster practiced on Thursday and Friday on a limited basis. Gary Kubiak was noncommittal on his availability, saying only "Arian was better today. He's feeling better." That doesn't help us at all. The Texans play the Colts on Sunday Night Football, creating quite the quandary for fantasy owners considering starting Foster when he clearly won't be 100 percent, and might be inactive in a late game. This is shaping up as a fantasy situation to avoid, pending further, more concrete information.

Texans coach Gary Kubiak told reporters Friday Ben Tate (ribs) will play on Sunday night against the Colts, and called Arian Foster (hamstring) a game-time decision.
Tate is likely to be limited in terms of workload playing through four cracked ribs, regardless of Foster's availability. The Texans also have Ray Graham, Dennis Johnson, and Deji Karim available in the backfield to handle situational work. Tate will be a shaky flex play against Indianapolis. Foster's status won't be determined until a pre-game workout ahead of Sunday Night Football.

Source: Tania Ganguli on Twitter

 

[SameSongNDance]

Question to Tate owners..

Does anyone actually have the balls to trot him out this week assuming Foster doesn't go? A couple of people have tweeted that Tate would be on a snap count regardless but that's purely speculation on their part (unless Kubiak stated it and I missed it). If only this weren't a Sunday night game.

Fantasy Buzzer ‏@FantasyBuzzer2 Nov
Texans RB Ben Tate will be on a limited snap count while Foster's playing status is uncertain - http://ow.ly/qqIp2 #NFL #FantasyFootball

 

[KellysHeroes]

my options are very limited, but I may start Leonard over him and hope for a handful of Recs

 

[nobiz]

I'm playing Tate, hoping for a goal-line TD like against StL. My only alternative is Shonn Greene, however.

 

[madd futher]

I'm an owner of Foster, Tate, and other lesser options, Bolden and Donald Brown. Unless I hear info to the contrary tomorrow, i think based on what I've heard and read I'll be rolling with Tate. Foster has fooled me before in other years with his hammy problems. He always seems to attempt to come back too soon and further sets himself back. I hope the Texans staff doesn't try to rush him out there.

On the other hand, they've said that this game is a 'must win' for them.

I read where Ben Tate said he was 'ectatic' with his progress, particularly the drop-off in the pain level surrounding his cracked ribs. I believe that the Texan trainers will wrap 'em, pad 'em and over-wrap 'em in a hot dog bun if they have to, and that he will play through any additional pain so long as he doesn't suffer clean breaks to his ribs this week.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Just to be clear, it hasn't been stated by Kubiak that Tate would be on a limited snap count correct? I mean, odds are if he were to play (and Foster did not) he'd get close to a full work load IMO. He was able to go post injury two weeks ago and now he's two weeks removed from said injury. Again, I have no idea how effective he'll be but this type of opportunity is seemingly rare amongst RBs nowadays.

 

[GregR]

I haven't seen anything about Tate being on a snap count. Googling for Kuibiak Tate "snap count" or "play count" finds nothing relevant.

Only thing I see is Rotoworld's internal speculation about the situation, not actual quotes from the team.

(Rotoworld) Texans coach Gary Kubiak told reporters Friday Ben Tate (ribs) will play on Sunday night against the Colts, and called Arian Foster (hamstring) a game-time decision. Analysis: Tate is likely to be limited in terms of workload playing through four cracked ribs, regardless of Foster's availability. The Texans also have Ray Graham, Dennis Johnson, and Deji Karim available in the backfield to handle situational work. Tate will be a shaky flex play against Indianapolis. Foster's status won't be determined until a pre-game workout ahead of Sunday Night Football.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I haven't seen anything about Tate being on a snap count. Googling for Kuibiak Tate "snap count" or "play count" finds nothing relevant.

Only thing I see is Rotoworld's internal speculation about the situation, not actual quotes from the team.

(Rotoworld) Texans coach Gary Kubiak told reporters Friday Ben Tate (ribs) will play on Sunday night against the Colts, and called Arian Foster (hamstring) a game-time decision. Analysis: Tate is likely to be limited in terms of workload playing through four cracked ribs, regardless of Foster's availability. The Texans also have Ray Graham, Dennis Johnson, and Deji Karim available in the backfield to handle situational work. Tate will be a shaky flex play against Indianapolis. Foster's status won't be determined until a pre-game workout ahead of Sunday Night Football.

It does seem to be purely speculative at this point. I asked the one dude on twitter who said he would be seeing limited snaps "Where/when was it stated Tate would be on a limited snap count" and his response was..

Fantasy Buzzer ‏@FantasyBuzzer2 Nov
@dtg999 4 broken ribs, pain threshold and Texans coaching staff

I think he made the latter part up.

 

[tdhartis]

I'd rather not start an entire thread for this, so if Foster is rolling, is anyone planning to start him?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I'd rather not start an entire thread for this, so if Foster is rolling, is anyone planning to start him?

Absolutely.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I'd rather not start an entire thread for this, so if Foster is rolling, is anyone planning to start him?

You have to. With all the bye weeks, your likely replacement is only going to put up a handful anyway. If he starts, play him.

 

[tdhartis]

I'd rather not start an entire thread for this, so if Foster is rolling, is anyone planning to start him?

You have to. With all the bye weeks, your likely replacement is only going to put up a handful anyway. If he starts, play him.

Foster for me is currently in the FLEX spot, so that might not be the case for everyone. I should have asked if anyone was planning on rolling with him if they had other, albeit less appealing, options? As in not out of pure necessity.

Another way of putting it is what do people think his floor is if he decides to play at less than 100%. If it's in the range of 4-6 points, then there's probably better options out there. I'm just concerned that he lays a complete egg. Even when he has been healthy this year he has only managed to score 1 TD all season, so hoping for one isn't as likely as years past.

 

[madd futher]

His floor could be absolutely zero if he is active and then finds out in warm-ups or is in for one series and re-aggravates. the problem is that if Tate is also active as expected, then what's his ceiling. In the league that don't have Tate to start, I'm pretty sure I'm holding him out for Bolden and Tolbert. If I do that, though, it will assure that Foster will go off for about 22 fpts for you.

 

[donkshow]

If there was no news and you had to make your decision right now, are you guys rolling the dice with Foster or looking at a lesser option for the 1pm games.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Who is the other RB besides Tate that will play if Foster is out. I own Foster and would rather hope for him to play but have some backup in place.