GoBirds
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Sad to see these comments by @timschochet. The shame and embarrassment has turned out to be all on the other side after what Biden has done to this country, those posts did not age well at all.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This is what happens when you replace religion with politics. Say what you will about the various world religions, but most of them have been tempered by a few thousand years of exposure to the brightest minds in human civilization. By way of contrast, this new religion was just made up five minutes ago by people who majored in Gender Studies as a strategy for avoiding math courses.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Good to know poop stains on underwear is now seen as gender-neutral...male activists have been fighting this stereotype for years.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
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Is this real? My "this is a parody account" sensor is going off here -- not the Twitter account but the stuff she's linking to. But then, it's more creepy than funny and it's hard to separate parody from earnestness these days.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
There is no way that is real. It has to be some kind of elaborate joke. Right?
bigbottom
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bigbottom
Footballguy
And for the record, I literally just finished a Gatorade after my morning workout. But it’s the zero sugar with 10g of protein version.What the . . .?
The counter woke movement from Tallahassee is going too far according to some teachers who took the paid training program on civics designed to prepare students to be "virtuous citizens."
There's whataboutism, "we had less than 4% of the slaves and that number increased through birth", and "Wasington and Jefferson wanted to outlaw slavery". I would've added some material showing that the USA was late to abolish slavery.
>>Another slide quotes Presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson saying they wanted legislation to outlaw slavery, without mentioning that both were slave owners. The quotes were not sourced, a theme that the educators noticed throughout the training session.
We were not told which documents stated this or how to find them just that they existed,” Ahlbum said. At one point, Ahlbum said, a state facilitator told a table of 12th-grade government teachers that their students will need the most clarity on socialism because “they think it’s the best thing ever,” which Ahlbum said isn’t true of her seniors. The assumption, she said, made it seem like students are “looked down on” because they have information state officials may not like or agree with.
Ahlbum and Segal reiterated that state standards aren’t controversial. Instead, their concerns regarded how facilitators instructed teachers to teach the material. For example, Segal said, the phrase, “all men are created equal,” was mentioned to explain the Declaration of Independence and later the Emancipation Proclamation that freed the slaves in 1863. “But when you study historical documents within the time period that they were written, ‘All men are created equal’ refers to white, land-owning men,” she said.
I knew this was going to happen,” Jones said after reviewing some of the material. “They are very intentional about their approach and their selective history.”<<
This isn't surprising considering that the slides and training material were prepared by people from ultraconservative Hillsdale College in Michigan. The materials have many slides, which address misconceptions about the separation between church and state.
Teachers alarmed by state’s infusing religion, downplaying race in civics training
Actual slides: https://twitter.com/anaceballos_/status/1542922753652793344?s=20&t=UW_CJixD9fH2plxm6sgstQ
There's whataboutism, "we had less than 4% of the slaves and that number increased through birth", and "Wasington and Jefferson wanted to outlaw slavery". I would've added some material showing that the USA was late to abolish slavery.
>>Another slide quotes Presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson saying they wanted legislation to outlaw slavery, without mentioning that both were slave owners. The quotes were not sourced, a theme that the educators noticed throughout the training session.
We were not told which documents stated this or how to find them just that they existed,” Ahlbum said. At one point, Ahlbum said, a state facilitator told a table of 12th-grade government teachers that their students will need the most clarity on socialism because “they think it’s the best thing ever,” which Ahlbum said isn’t true of her seniors. The assumption, she said, made it seem like students are “looked down on” because they have information state officials may not like or agree with.
Ahlbum and Segal reiterated that state standards aren’t controversial. Instead, their concerns regarded how facilitators instructed teachers to teach the material. For example, Segal said, the phrase, “all men are created equal,” was mentioned to explain the Declaration of Independence and later the Emancipation Proclamation that freed the slaves in 1863. “But when you study historical documents within the time period that they were written, ‘All men are created equal’ refers to white, land-owning men,” she said.
I knew this was going to happen,” Jones said after reviewing some of the material. “They are very intentional about their approach and their selective history.”<<
This isn't surprising considering that the slides and training material were prepared by people from ultraconservative Hillsdale College in Michigan. The materials have many slides, which address misconceptions about the separation between church and state.
Teachers alarmed by state’s infusing religion, downplaying race in civics training
Actual slides: https://twitter.com/anaceballos_/status/1542922753652793344?s=20&t=UW_CJixD9fH2plxm6sgstQ
sho nuff
Footballguy
Unfortunately we are being led by the extremes…taking hold of too much both ways. It seems some want to push us towards more division and an ultimate split.
Biden’s biggest failure isn’t the bad economy or inflation or even the border. (IMO those would have similar problems under a second term of Trump)…its that he pushed for unity and normalcy…and gave up on it quickly and is pushing division. Giving in to the extreme left on some things and fighting all things from the right.
bigbottom
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I think so, but still wtf???
ETA: actually I think it is legit, lmao. Can't find these exact pieces, but I find plenty of others just as dumb.
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I think Biden is in a no win situation with the make-up of congress. As governor, in a state with a solid GOP majority in the house and Senate (but not among voters), DeSantis is free to push a divisive agenda and appoint people like Joseph Lapido who admitted "in a briefing to a congressional subcommittee Tuesday, Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo confirmed that the state decision to block county health departments from obtaining the newly FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccines for young children may prevent an estimated 30,000 disadvantaged kids from accessing the vaccines." So much for letting parents decide. Lapido still won't say if he's vaccinated. Privacy...
https://twitter.com/MaryEllenKlas/status/1542198725770100738?t=Q3JrHCsMZJuVrjAJmHxL6Q&s=19
sho nuff
Footballguy
Not sure if its a no win situation...given his age...he had to know (I hope) that he was always most likely a one term POTUS.
With that...I think a goal should have been to try and stem some of the divisiveness, it would create some short term pain with the far left, but ultimately, IMO, garnered more good for the moderate Democrats and for the country. Show we are still a country that can compromise despite differences. Show that the extremes will not hold this country hostage. It would obviously take moderate republicans to stand up and move away from the Trump extremes...but I think it could be done and would have been better for all of us.
djmich
Footballguy
Yes. I had really thought Obama had a once in a lifetime opportunity to unite and while not as divisive as Trump or Biden imo…he didn’t seize the opportunity. Biden could have tried to be a united but I had next to no expectation from him based on how he ran.
Even post presidency I had hoped for this from Obama but not the case, the machine does not allow for deviation.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
And unfortunately with the strong possibility of Trump/Biden or Desantis/Newsom...it does not look like it will get any better.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
He not only DID NOT seize the opportunity, he set back race relations. Anyone remember the Beer Summit and that whole fiasco?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Obama wasn't the transformative post-racial president that maybe some of us (me) were hoping for, but I think you guys are being a little too hard on him. Not to put to fine a point on it, but Obama was never a race-hustler like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. He was a normal, goofy dad who spent too much time on his NCAA brackets, like everybody else. I thought that was always kind of endearing. To me, he always had a Cliff Huxtable vibe, only without all the Rohypnol.
Could he have done better on race relations? Sure, but couldn't?
Could he have done better on race relations? Sure, but couldn't?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
"Trayvon Martin could have been my son."
"Police are racist."
No, he set back race relations.
djmich
Footballguy
Kind of agree with you both, what stands out the most to me is a complete missed generational opportunity. He could have done it.
sho nuff
Footballguy
So a quote without context about Martin…and another that he never really said. Did he actually say that second quite? Have a link?
in what way do those set back race relations? People retaliate because he empathized about Martin? Perhaps those people are the ones setting race relations back.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I won't support the second statement (I don't recall that -- not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't remember it).
But would you rather have a president who looks for a little compassion and common ground when situations like Trayvon Martin's come up? Or the current narrative where everything from the KKK to punctuality is white supremacy?
Maybe another way to put it is that maybe Obama could have chosen his words a bit more artfully in a few cases. But aren't folks like us always arguing that we should a little more charitable toward people on racial issues and maybe not interpret their words in the least favorable light?
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rockaction
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Are you saying Trump or somebody else caused the current narrative to be at the forefront? I would say that it's the bat#### left that caused the narrative when they abandoned common ground themselves. I don't see what leader would be able to set it right. It would seem to have nothing to do with how one felt about Trayvon and common ground.
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Rich Conway
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Isn't everyone going to have a different opinion on what "the current narrative" is? Without knowing what you believe to be "the current narrative", I don't think any of us could say who caused it to be at the forefront. So, I guess we have to start by defining what the current narrative is.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Uhm....no. It's a matter of fact that the bat #### crazy left caused it. That's not even debatable at this point.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was using IK's definition. Where everything from the KKK to punctuality is game to be called white supremacy. It's in his posting.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This is an interesting discussion, because I think these two sides feed on one another.
Trump broke a lot of people's brains. Especially on the left-hand side of the political spectrum. All those people with "Resist" in their handle are now part of the cult that's taken over every major institution in the US except the three main branches of government. (But they definitely control the unelected administrative state -- e.g. how our public officials suspended the pandemic for a few weeks in 2020 so they could celebrate their BLM summer rites while us plebes had to skip weddings and funerals.) Maybe this ridiculous ideology would have caught on regardless, but I think it's inarguable that Trump was an accelerant.
And the crazier the woke left gets, the more willing people are to accept Trump, or a guy like Trump. I don't like Trump any more than anybody else does, but at least MAGA isn't a threat to me personally. If I'm asked to choose between MAGA and the "kill the TERFs" crowd, well that's an easy choice -- I'm always going to put the safety of me and my family first if that's on the ballot for some stupid reason.
Collectively, we've gotten a lot dumber as a country since 2016, and that lies at the feet of the fringes on both the left and the right. (Batsignal for the "boff sidez" mouth-breathers.) Those two fringes are in a symbiotic relationship.
While I'm getting this off my chest -- what is it about these people and their unwillingness to just give everybody else 10 minutes of uninterrupted peace and quiet from time to time? Between Trump showing up on my phone constantly and the woke people bullying corporations into badgering me about how much they care about The Current Thing, do these people not have access to sex or weed or anything?
glvsav37
Footballguy
my problem with this statement, and any time that the president speaks on a specific situation like this is
1) The president should NEVER speak on isolated public situations or disputes like this. If asked, their response should only be "this is an unfortunate situation that I'm sure the local authorities will do a through investigation and hold those accountable if guilty."
Incidents like TM happen everyday, multiple times across the country. Obv some make the news b/c of the need for clicks and narrative. There is no possible way for the president to comment on every single incident. So why are they asking him? Obv to drive a narrative.
2) making a statement like this def chooses a side. Wether directly said or not, it is obvious. The president knew exactly what he was saying and why. See rule 1
I am so very tired of ANY president weighing in on individual isolated incidents. Run the damn country, get legislators to do something and handle foreign affairs. Leave the minutia up to the states...thats their job!!!
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rockaction
Footballguy
I agree with everything in this post, except that I think MAGA and Trump's aims do potentially threaten me personally. I guess there's really nothing more to say than that. That quibble has nothing to do with race relations, so just take this as a general assent to your posting.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Then I'd have to reject the premise. I disagree that's a current narrative from anything but fringe elements.
rockaction
Footballguy
Okay. So there's really nothing to hash out.
I don't know. I was simply confused by the sort of either/or part of IK's statement regarding Trayvon. It didn't necessarily follow, though he's edited it and since posted to make a whole lot more sense.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I don't disagree with this analysis at all, BTW. I'm in a somewhat weird situation here in that I'm standing up for Obama among a bunch of my fellow right-wingers, but obviously I'm not trying to say that Obama was the second coming of Reagan or anything like that.
But let's fast forward a bit. Look at the trajectory the left is currently on. The woke folks (folx) haven't taken over the Democratic party quite yet, but they're getting there.
Suppose a Democratic president is elected in 2028, defeating whoever the Republican incumbent is. Knowing nothing at all about who that person is, what state they're from, how they got the nomination, or whatever, how radical do you expect that person to be on identitarian issues? My guess is the next Democratic president is likely to make Obama look like Reagan or Goldwater by comparison.
You know how liberals always point back to Republican presidents that they demonized at the time, and say what a great guy that president was unlike the demonic Republicans we have today? I suspect we're going to end up doing that with Obama. Just calling it now.
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glvsav37
Footballguy
if its fringe element, how has a major state health authority adopted the idea enough as to reschedule and whole conference over it and send a public message blaming it?
It may be fringe, but we have created a culture where the fringe gets heard and placated too more then those who are not.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Remember the time that Georgia liberalized their election laws to make them more expansive than New York and Delaware, and everybody reacted like it was Bull Connor 2.0 ("Jim Eagle") and it was a moral imperative for MLB to move their all-star game to another state?
Totally just a fringe element though.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
See the difference between these two posts? One responded to the actual content of my post, whereas one had no interest in the content and was simply an excuse for name-calling and, literally, redefining opinion as fact. You should make more effort to respond to the contents of posts rather than the name of the poster attached.
rockaction
Footballguy
We're doing that right now. Compared to the Democratic Party today, he's a gosh darn centrist if not right-of-center.
rockaction
Footballguy
glvsav37
Footballguy
my in-laws are those "fringe elements"
they have made "getting something" part of their daily life. Anywhere they go, they are activity looking for something to complain about so they can "get something"
Discounts, freebies, upgrades, etc....and you know what it all works. Bc its easier to let them have what they want, then fight them.
And each time they "get something" they openly brag about it and look forward to the next something they can squeeze out of some poor customer service rep or front desk person.
We need to stop this idea that the customer is always right or just because you are offended doesn't mean the world needs to change.
they have made "getting something" part of their daily life. Anywhere they go, they are activity looking for something to complain about so they can "get something"
Discounts, freebies, upgrades, etc....and you know what it all works. Bc its easier to let them have what they want, then fight them.
And each time they "get something" they openly brag about it and look forward to the next something they can squeeze out of some poor customer service rep or front desk person.
We need to stop this idea that the customer is always right or just because you are offended doesn't mean the world needs to change.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well...it should not have taken that long. Obama was far from perfect...but far far better than W, Trump, or Biden put together.
And while the woke part of the left is trying to take over...the "anti-woke" side that seems to try to take things too far the other way, seems in control of the GOP already. Where opposing anything woke...no matter what is the goal vs. a true platform of trying to do whats right or whats best or what is even traditionally conservative. Fight anything and then take it to an extreme the opposite direction. Take Roe...not just overturning it...but then a push on a full on ban coming from some states. Not exceptions...not to a certain number of weeks...but just flat out banning abortion and making the statement, well, if you want one, find a state that offers that. No matter what the populace says about the issue. Similar on gun control...be against the lefts ideas, but look to make it even easier. Concealed carry in TN as an example...without permit. Just take any sort of thought of regulation, reject it, and move in the other direction making fewer obstacles to anything.
I dislike the woke woke side for sure...but the anti woke is starting to worry me far more as they seem to have more control at the moment and are making actual moves in society...and with what the mid terms look like...its not going to slow down. IMO...we are moving backwards in society with some of these moves.
Sorry...I know a lot of this didn't really have much to do with your post...just a bit of a stir crazy rant while finishing up my own isolation.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Jordan Peterson is a jerk and a blow hard.
That said, I hate that this happened. Cancel culture is the modern version of torches and pitchforks and mob justice is never true justice.
Although many of the Trumpists will consider me a "lefty" I'm not... I'm issue by issue. And while I fully support people living their lives and changing their genders or loving their own gender or whatever, I do not support cancel culture and wholly condemn it. It is a bad thing.
I know some on the left will look at something like this and think, "Peterson, that #####? Good, F him." Here's the thing though, it's not good. If justice is blind the mob justice of the cancel culture is blind, deaf, and dumb. It needs to be condemned by all until it fades away.
I know that this issue is minor when stacked against things like sedition and all the recent gun violence, but hey, take a minute and recognize this is bad and needs to stop. Right is right and wrong is wrong and we all need to stop thinking in terms of team left or team right and instead think in terms of team America.
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(HULK)
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FairWarning
Footballguy
How long before the university changes their name? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/james-madison-downplayed-montpelier-left-wing-billionaire
I used this source to illustrate that lib money changed the museum.
I used this source to illustrate that lib money changed the museum.
(HULK)
(Smash)
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/15/capital-city-ruy-teixeira-american-enterprise-institute-00045819
Seems pretty relevant. Woke-ism gone so amok that Ruy Teixeira leaves the leftist Center for American Progress for the conservative American Enterprise Institute. Ruy is still hard left, but felt he couldn't examine anything through any lens other than the racial one at CAP.
Seems pretty relevant. Woke-ism gone so amok that Ruy Teixeira leaves the leftist Center for American Progress for the conservative American Enterprise Institute. Ruy is still hard left, but felt he couldn't examine anything through any lens other than the racial one at CAP.
FairWarning
Footballguy
This should never be on page 2.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I agree that it's a win but disagree with calling this a loss for communists as it has nothing to do with communism.
Boston
Footballguy
I don’t think communist is correct…would go with ideological bigots.
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