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The #1 Pick of the 2005 Draft - Vincent Young (1 Viewer)

Somebody is going to get a hold of him and teach him to play quarterback
Who's going to want to use the #1 overall pick on a quarterback that you need to teach to be a quarterback?
 
Chris Simms has a rocket launcher attached to his arm compared to Vince. At least Simms showed a propensity to actually throw the ball. Vince needs to understand that its his job to pass the ball, its the receivers' jobs to get open and catch the ball. If he ran the plays as they are called, the passing game would be alot better off. Simms NEVER underthrew so many players.
I thought all 'Horns fans blamed the OU losses, lack of Big 12 championship wins, and seasonal locust migration on Chris Simms.Until Vince Young learns to pass, he's like a poor version of Michael Vick. Wow, I managed to slam two players in one concise statement.
 
Vince needs new receivers. . . maybe a team of midgets would be able to catch his ankle high passes. He sucks
So...you're making this evaluation based on 1 or 2 passes in one game? Vince needs something new all right, and WRs wouldn't hurt, but what he really needs is a new OC and a qb coach who's actually played qb before. Greg Davis, who is both his OC and QBC, has him so screwed up that he's regressed since H.S. in terms of his passing ability. Hell, you can even see a difference between this year and last.
Against OU, he would turn 3-step drop/quick passes into 3-step drop/don't pass/duck/spin around/get tackled or flushed. I don't blame the offensive coordinator, or the WRs.
Wow. Clueless. That's the best word I can come up with to describe that assessment. That's what happens when you're being blitzed and you turn to throw the hot pass to the wr who isn't there because he ran the wrong route.
No he's not. He's a mobile Chris Simms. Somebody is going to get a hold of him and teach him to play quarterback, give him some confidence. At that point, he'll be a very good player at the next level. I have NEVER seen a team of skill players develop so slowly as the guys that Mack Brown/Greg Davis get a hold of. Its startling, truly startling.
It's like getting a root canal, sans novacaine, prolonged over several years. Amazing how Greg Davis could never manage to get Roy Williams a TD against OU in 4 years, but nobody can stop the guy in the f'ing NFL.
Chris Simms has a rocket launcher attached to his arm compared to Vince.
Wrong. VY doesn't have Simms arm, but few do. It's still well above avg. When he first came here, before GD had a chance to really screw with him, he threw rockets.
If he ran the plays as they are called, the passing game would be alot better off. Simms NEVER underthrew so many players.
As for your comments about skill players not developing under this regime, that's a very fair complaint. e.g. Less than 2 years after starting for the Longohorns, Simms replaces a capable Brad Johnson in the NFL. exhibit B: Roy Williams
He runs what he gets from the sidelines. What he gets from the sidelines is classic GD. He underdeveloped Simms, who is now excelling in the NFL. Same with Roy. He underutilized BJ Johnson and Sloan Thomas, who would have been devastating opposite Roy, had they been given a chance. He underutilized the TE and the FB for years, only to bring them out of mothballs for the first few games of this season and then almost completely ignore them against OU. Amazing players have come and gone, yet the offense has consistently not gotten the job done in big games. There is one constant...Greg Davis. You admit yourself that GD has a pattern of underdeveloping talent. What makes you think Vince's case is any different.
Mack should've taken him aside last year, pointed to Roy Williams during a film session, and said to Vince, "We know that you were an all-world high school QB, but we're gonna make you the second coming of Roy Williams."
What makes you think that the guy you admit underdevelopes talent could take a QB and turn him into "the second coming of Roy Williams" when he can't even take 6'5" Limas Sweed, the guy who really was supposed to be "the second coming of Roy Williams" and make him run the correct route more than half the time. He's a redshirt freshman, and he's clueless out there. Is that his fault or the coaches?
I thought all 'Horns fans blamed the OU losses, lack of Big 12 championship wins, and seasonal locust migration on Chris Simms.
No...the smarter ones know where the blame really lies. Why keep blaming the QB year after year when they're different QBs. So far, GD has made Major Applewhite, Chris Simms, Chance Mock, and Vincent Young all look like fools against OU and other good defenses. Now...is this a qb problem or something else?
Until Vince Young learns to pass, he's like a poor version of Michael Vick. Wow, I managed to slam two players in one concise statement.
Congratulations.
 
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No...the smarter ones know where the blame really lies. Why keep blaming the QB year after year when they're different QBs. So far, GD has made Major Applewhite, Chris Simms, Chance Mock, and Vincent Young all look like fools against OU and other good defenses. Now...is this a qb problem or something else?
And that was really my point. It gets old hearing UT fans pander after whatever QB is on the bench when the current one is doing just fine. Last year, Mock was having a fine year and everyone just HAD to have VY in there. When Simms was there, they found ways to tee off on him. It's ridiculous, and you're completely correct that it's a coaching issue.
 
Vince needs new receivers. . . maybe a team of midgets would be able to catch his ankle high passes. He sucks
So...you're making this evaluation based on 1 or 2 passes in one game? Vince needs something new all right, and WRs wouldn't hurt, but what he really needs is a new OC and a qb coach who's actually played qb before. Greg Davis, who is both his OC and QBC, has him so screwed up that he's regressed since H.S. in terms of his passing ability. Hell, you can even see a difference between this year and last.
Against OU, he would turn 3-step drop/quick passes into 3-step drop/don't pass/duck/spin around/get tackled or flushed. I don't blame the offensive coordinator, or the WRs.
Wow. Clueless. That's the best word I can come up with to describe that assessment. That's what happens when you're being blitzed and you turn to throw the hot pass to the wr who isn't there because he ran the wrong route.
No he's not. He's a mobile Chris Simms. Somebody is going to get a hold of him and teach him to play quarterback, give him some confidence. At that point, he'll be a very good player at the next level. I have NEVER seen a team of skill players develop so slowly as the guys that Mack Brown/Greg Davis get a hold of. Its startling, truly startling.
It's like getting a root canal, sans novacaine, prolonged over several years. Amazing how Greg Davis could never manage to get Roy Williams a TD against OU in 4 years, but nobody can stop the guy in the f'ing NFL.
Chris Simms has a rocket launcher attached to his arm compared to Vince.
Wrong. VY doesn't have Simms arm, but few do. It's still well above avg. When he first came here, before GD had a chance to really screw with him, he threw rockets.
If he ran the plays as they are called, the passing game would be alot better off. Simms NEVER underthrew so many players.
As for your comments about skill players not developing under this regime, that's a very fair complaint. e.g. Less than 2 years after starting for the Longohorns, Simms replaces a capable Brad Johnson in the NFL. exhibit B: Roy Williams
He runs what he gets from the sidelines. What he gets from the sidelines is classic GD. He underdeveloped Simms, who is now excelling in the NFL. Same with Roy. He underutilized BJ Johnson and Sloan Thomas, who would have been devastating opposite Roy, had they been given a chance. He underutilized the TE and the FB for years, only to bring them out of mothballs for the first few games of this season and then almost completely ignore them against OU. Amazing players have come and gone, yet the offense has consistently not gotten the job done in big games. There is one constant...Greg Davis. You admit yourself that GD has a pattern of underdeveloping talent. What makes you think Vince's case is any different.
Mack should've taken him aside last year, pointed to Roy Williams during a film session, and said to Vince, "We know that you were an all-world high school QB, but we're gonna make you the second coming of Roy Williams."
What makes you think that the guy you admit underdevelopes talent could take a QB and turn him into "the second coming of Roy Williams" when he can't even take 6'5" Limas Sweed, the guy who really was supposed to be "the second coming of Roy Williams" and make him run the correct route more than half the time. He's a redshirt freshman, and he's clueless out there. Is that his fault or the coaches?
I thought all 'Horns fans blamed the OU losses, lack of Big 12 championship wins, and seasonal locust migration on Chris Simms.
No...the smarter ones know where the blame really lies. Why keep blaming the QB year after year when they're different QBs. So far, GD has made Major Applewhite, Chris Simms, Chance Mock, and Vincent Young all look like fools against OU and other good defenses. Now...is this a qb problem or something else?
Until Vince Young learns to pass, he's like a poor version of Michael Vick. Wow, I managed to slam two players in one concise statement.
Congratulations.
You make me proud to be a horn -- even though we can't beat OU, we can destroy stupid arguments on message boards....IMO, I agree with all of the above. One problem I see with Mack is accountability -- he never seems to make anyone accountable (as best I can tell). Whenever Mock sucked it up big time (some people here are forgetting how he couldn't manage a first down or a completion to Roy Williams against N Texas last year), Mack always absorbs the blows, protects the players and now he is doing the same with GD (his post-game comments). As much as I like 10 wins a year, and being a Top 10 team (and a Top 10 Recruiting class winner every year), I am ready for a change. I have been slow to go there (as I was there during the Mackovic era). Bring on Spurrier if, for nothing else, than to get in Stoops' head as he is Stoops daddy, so to speak.Plus, I do think that our reputation for being soft is getting exposed everytime we choke against OU. Now, Reginald Youngblood (top OL in Texas) is saying he is leaning to OU because of how they play. Adrian Peterson was similar.
 
Vince needs new receivers. . . maybe a team of midgets would be able to catch his ankle high passes. He sucks
So...you're making this evaluation based on 1 or 2 passes in one game? Vince needs something new all right, and WRs wouldn't hurt, but what he really needs is a new OC and a qb coach who's actually played qb before. Greg Davis, who is both his OC and QBC, has him so screwed up that he's regressed since H.S. in terms of his passing ability. Hell, you can even see a difference between this year and last.
Against OU, he would turn 3-step drop/quick passes into 3-step drop/don't pass/duck/spin around/get tackled or flushed. I don't blame the offensive coordinator, or the WRs.
Wow. Clueless. That's the best word I can come up with to describe that assessment. That's what happens when you're being blitzed and you turn to throw the hot pass to the wr who isn't there because he ran the wrong route.
No he's not. He's a mobile Chris Simms. Somebody is going to get a hold of him and teach him to play quarterback, give him some confidence. At that point, he'll be a very good player at the next level. I have NEVER seen a team of skill players develop so slowly as the guys that Mack Brown/Greg Davis get a hold of. Its startling, truly startling.
It's like getting a root canal, sans novacaine, prolonged over several years. Amazing how Greg Davis could never manage to get Roy Williams a TD against OU in 4 years, but nobody can stop the guy in the f'ing NFL.
Chris Simms has a rocket launcher attached to his arm compared to Vince.
Wrong. VY doesn't have Simms arm, but few do. It's still well above avg. When he first came here, before GD had a chance to really screw with him, he threw rockets.
If he ran the plays as they are called, the passing game would be alot better off. Simms NEVER underthrew so many players.
As for your comments about skill players not developing under this regime, that's a very fair complaint. e.g. Less than 2 years after starting for the Longohorns, Simms replaces a capable Brad Johnson in the NFL. exhibit B: Roy Williams
He runs what he gets from the sidelines. What he gets from the sidelines is classic GD. He underdeveloped Simms, who is now excelling in the NFL. Same with Roy. He underutilized BJ Johnson and Sloan Thomas, who would have been devastating opposite Roy, had they been given a chance. He underutilized the TE and the FB for years, only to bring them out of mothballs for the first few games of this season and then almost completely ignore them against OU. Amazing players have come and gone, yet the offense has consistently not gotten the job done in big games. There is one constant...Greg Davis. You admit yourself that GD has a pattern of underdeveloping talent. What makes you think Vince's case is any different.
Mack should've taken him aside last year, pointed to Roy Williams during a film session, and said to Vince, "We know that you were an all-world high school QB, but we're gonna make you the second coming of Roy Williams."
What makes you think that the guy you admit underdevelopes talent could take a QB and turn him into "the second coming of Roy Williams" when he can't even take 6'5" Limas Sweed, the guy who really was supposed to be "the second coming of Roy Williams" and make him run the correct route more than half the time. He's a redshirt freshman, and he's clueless out there. Is that his fault or the coaches?
I thought all 'Horns fans blamed the OU losses, lack of Big 12 championship wins, and seasonal locust migration on Chris Simms.
No...the smarter ones know where the blame really lies. Why keep blaming the QB year after year when they're different QBs. So far, GD has made Major Applewhite, Chris Simms, Chance Mock, and Vincent Young all look like fools against OU and other good defenses. Now...is this a qb problem or something else?
Goofball, I've had season tickets to the Horns since 1992. I've seen Vince Young play in person every time he's put on a UT uniform, and twice in high school. I live (32nd and Red River) 4 blocks from the practice fields and go to the spring scrimmage and at least one summer scrimmage. I've been to 3 out of the last 4 UT-OU games. In other words, I don't base my opinion on one game. In fact, I've been a proponent of leaving Mock at QB and making Vince a permanent fixture at WR since the 2003 campaign.Quite simply, he goes through his progressions way too quickly. If you were at the games last year, you'd know what I was writing about. Roy would run deep patterns and get free constantly while Vince would either be running some freelance draw, or dumping to the fullback. Roy would gamely block the 1 or 2 defenders on him, but return to the huddle or sidelines obviously digusted. The fact is, he hits the panic button early and often. He doesn't do the right things on a blitz. Simms and Applewhite were always able to force the ball to the hot route, even when it was well covered. At least get the ball away! He didn't do that against OU, and he hasn't been doing it all season. How do you know that the receiver ran the wrong route? There is no way that you were able to see the receivers routes on TV!What is so wrong with holding a 20 year old kid, who has been in this system for 3 years accountable. I hate to appear like I'm defending them, because I've been in favor of putting serious pressure on both, but Greg Davis and Mack Brown can't make Vince do certain things in the heat of the game. The biggest mistake that these clowns make is that they commit certain things to players and won't back off of them. They are so frightened to make changes midway that would potentially shake the recruiting effort.How is Greg Davis able to get Roy Williams a TD? I think that Davis's eligibility might be expired. No doubt Vince can air the ball out, but there is no comparison between the snap that Simms was able to put on the ball and the floating that Vince puts on the ball. I'm not saying this really as a criticism, because Simms is one of the hardest throwers we've ever had. Its a minor issue, but worth pointing out.I find it very frustrating that GD doesn't call plays or develop an offense that uses all the weapons in his arsenal. I mean, we have some sick talent at TE and RB/FB. We have some okay talent at WR. David Thomas has some of the best hands that I've ever seen on such a big guy. Limas Sweed runs awful routes, but is that because of poor coaching, or is he just an idiot? He is after all the guy running the routes, not GD! And by the way, 'Mock to Vince Young, and Young looks like he's gonna take it to the house!' sounds a heck of alot better, than 'Young's got a man open, now he's scrambling, and looks like he'll be brought down short of the first down.' I'm convince because of Vince's physical attributes (speed, size, huge hands, quickness, even strength) he would be more successful at WR than QB.
 
Goofball, I've had season tickets to the Horns...blah, blah.blah...
That's about what I expected. When all else fails, resort to the inane personal attack. :rolleyes:
How do you know that the receiver ran the wrong route? There is no way that you were able to see the receivers routes on TV!
I was there...as I have been for about the last 15 years. I saw every f'ing play. How can you tell? When the play is over and everyone comes to the sidelines, and Young, Jeffery, and anyone else close by comes up and gets in the offending WRs face and starts talking, and the the WR just stands there listening, you know who just screwed up.You can't force it to the hot route when the hot route isn't there.Jesus Christ.
there is no comparison between the snap that Simms was able to put on the ball and the floating that Vince puts on the ball.
What you're not grasping is that that "float" wasn't there in high school, and it wasn't there most of last year. GD has f'ed up Vince's mechanics. There's a video clip on Ketch's site that compares before and after, and you can see just how much he's f'ed him up. GD's never played QB, and now he's f'ing up another one.Ask yourself WHY Vince could hit a moving target on the run with great accuracy before GD got ahold of him and now he can't. Ask yourself WHY his footwork has gotten worse, despite working so hard with GD. WHY has his velocity dropped off? WHY is his deep ball, which used to be a nice deep, high arc, now a flat rope? I'm not just talking about the difference between this year and high school. Look at just the difference between this year and last...or just this OU game and last. It's striking.
Limas Sweed runs awful routes, but is that because of poor coaching, or is he just an idiot?
If he's an idiot who can't be coached to run correct routes, then that goes to talent evalution, recruiting, depth chart composition...all coaching issues.
 
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Note to self: HERD is no more qualified than my next door neighbor's 8-year-old kid to be on the FBG staff.

 
Note to self: HERD is no more qualified than my next door neighbor's 8-year-old kid to be on the FBG staff.
If you have a problem, I don;t mind you saying it. Like others here, I've made some good picks and I've made some bad ones. However, at least I contribute to thoughtful discussion and right or wrong, try to be constructive.You? You piggy-back the comments of others with the benefit of hindsight on your side. Congrats, you've made a business of criticizing others without offering anything of your own. You'd be a good politician board-poster that people ignore.

While you're bumping my "bad" threads, make sure you look at the ones about Quincy Morgan, Joey Harrington, and Robert Ferguson. I'd hate for you to miss any "original" material.

COlin

 
By the way, he had a bad 1st 3 quarters, then engrineered 2 TD drives in the last 5 minutes and had over 400 yards total offense (289 passing, 114 rushing) and 2 TDs (2 INts too).

 
If you have a problem, I don;t mind you saying it.  Like others here, I've made some good picks and I've made some bad ones.  However, at least I contribute to thoughtful discussion and right or wrong, try to be constructive.

You?  You piggy-back the comments of others with the benefit of hindsight on your side. Congrats, you've made a business of criticizing others without offering anything of your own.  You'd be a good politician board-poster that people ignore.
i totaly agree with Colin
While you're bumping my "bad" threads, make sure you look at the ones about Quincy Morgan, Joey Harrington, and Robert Ferguson.  I'd hate for you to miss any "original" material.
Colin has had probably the best if not top 3 content to read at FBG. i wish there were more posters like him who would post their opinions and material like he has instead of backlashing others for an "opinion" of ones content or thoughts on his/her fantasy player.
 
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no i agree with you diesel, it use to be the best place to go for input but now its more leaning to negativity. more evident then not after reading this thread off of one mans own perspective. its like people need to belittle the opinion in order to feel inferior :confused: either way keep going Colin :thumbup: its opinions like yours why i come here :popcorn:

 
Note to self: HERD is no more qualified than my next door neighbor's 8-year-old kid to be on the FBG staff.
If you have a problem, I don;t mind you saying it. Like others here, I've made some good picks and I've made some bad ones. However, at least I contribute to thoughtful discussion and right or wrong, try to be constructive.You? You piggy-back the comments of others with the benefit of hindsight on your side. Congrats, you've made a business of criticizing others without offering anything of your own. You'd be a good politician board-poster that people ignore.

While you're bumping my "bad" threads, make sure you look at the ones about Quincy Morgan, Joey Harrington, and Robert Ferguson. I'd hate for you to miss any "original" material.

COlin
Slash might live next door to Tony Dungy... ;) Actually, I bumped this thread as a comment on Young single handedly winning the game in the last minute against my Jayhawks.

4th and 18 - how many QBs could run for the 1st down?

Maybe Vick.

 
I haven't watched much Texas football, but Young still seems like a poor man's Vick. I think he can be a good NFL QB, but the problem is that I think it will take him several years of development to get there. He's shows signs of greatness, like the comeback today, but he's not a great passer and he has a lot to work on before he's ready to play in the NFL.

 
I disagree with Colin on the value of Vince Young, but I respect him for making a call and backing it up.What has Slash ever done to contribute to the boards?:crickets:

 
By the way, he had a bad 1st 3 quarters, then engrineered 2 TD drives in the last 5 minutes and had over 400 yards total offense (289 passing, 114 rushing) and 2 TDs (2 INts too).
Leads his team to victory in the clutch. That's the sign of a winner to me.. Haven't seen Vincent Young play a ton but I have tracked his career and stats since he was a blue-chip recruit out of the Houston area.He's got a little Byron Leftwich in him.. a clutch player. It's not always about stats, but Young does produce nicely along those lines, too.I'll give Colin the benefit of the doubt since he's seen him play more than I.. I don't know that he's comparable to Vick (yet), but he's in the same mold.
 
Reggie McNeal is better than Vince Young. He has a better arm and is just as mobile.I'll probably be considered biased, but that's my best non-partisan opinion based on watching 2 years of every UT and A&M game. Vince has great feet, but his accuracy is questionable. I think a good QB coach like Jim Fassel could really improve that.

 
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Lets Bump this threadVince Young is looking decent as a rusher today in the rose bowl but lacks (IMHO) passing skill and will need at least 2 more college years and at least 2 years in the NFL to be a top 5-10 NFL QBAny chance this kid could be a WR ??? He looks to be in the same mold as Drew Bennett, Hines Ward, Rod Smith and Ronald Curry

 
Young is still developing as a QB and has some poor mechanics...but he is an unreal runner. He makes running the ball seem so fluid and effortless.

 
Any chance this kid could be a WR ??? He looks to be in the same mold as Drew Bennett, Hines Ward, Rod Smith and Ronald Curry
I could see that. His rather side-arm motion won't cut it in the NFL, I'd say.
 
A team is going to have descide if they are going to Michael Visk their offense in the NFL. In other words, is an erratic passer but dynamic runner enough for you to build around. One difference is that by all indications he will stay at least another year at Texas which may allow him to develop more as a paser. Well, then again, that did a ton PHil Simms' son.

 
That was an amazing performance today by Young. He just might be an NFL QB one of these days, but he has to improve his mechanics. He does look like a great WR prospect, but my guess is he won't agree to change positions unless he is a bust as an NFL QB.

 
If the "more posters" you speak of are anything like me, they've given up trying to have legitimate discussions here. This board used to be great for that back before FBG got really popular and every jackass with a computer and a knowledge of who 12 starting QBs in the NFL are showed up.Id love to just be able to post my thoughts and feelings on a player and have them discussed, but sadly, thats just not possible anymore. The thread will turn into a flame war or go horribly off-topic in no more than 2-3 posts
The best thing written within any posting in a long, long time. Well said, diesel.
 
As a Longhorns fan, it would be nice to see Young become a top NFL QB, but so far, his ability to throw has not improved since arriving. Great performance tonight though, although he did it more as a RB than a QB. Youngs inability to be a pocket passer at this point was heavily exposed against OU this year.

 
If the "more posters" you speak of are anything like me, they've given up trying to have legitimate discussions here. This board used to be great for that back before FBG got really popular and every jackass with a computer and a knowledge of who 12 starting QBs in the NFL are showed up.Id love to just be able to post my thoughts and feelings on a player and have them discussed, but sadly, thats just not possible anymore. The thread will turn into a flame war or go horribly off-topic in no more than 2-3 posts
The best thing written within any posting in a long, long time. Well said, diesel.
lmaothere's plenty of good posters and good threads with great discussion, especially in the offseason. All you have to know is who to ignore.
 
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Come on ..... Vincent Young IS NOT, I repeat, IS NOT a Quarterback!! He will never play a down in the NFL as a QB. My advice is to start feeding him some cheeseburgers and Krispy Kreme and turn him into the next Antonio Gates! I am a #######' .................. Genius!! :thumbup: :D

 
I despise Vince Young.He single handedly beat both my teams this year - the Jayhawks and Wolverines.Now, he probably was the reason KU had a chance to win, but still, he won in the end.I don't see him as a WR, or a QB, he's not as agile as ARE, but not as good a QB as Vick (scary) or Culpepper. He might be similar to Drew Bennet though...

 
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If the "more posters" you speak of are anything like me, they've given up trying to have legitimate discussions here. This board used to be great for that back before FBG got really popular and every jackass with a computer and a knowledge of who 12 starting QBs in the NFL are showed up.Id love to just be able to post my thoughts and feelings on a player and have them discussed, but sadly, thats just not possible anymore. The thread will turn into a flame war or go horribly off-topic in no more than 2-3 posts.
I've never been an avid poster here, but in the last couple of years, I rarely post anything. I still come here a few times a week to try and sort through the garbage for some solid info or discussions. Someone said the off season is better, that's true. I especially enjoy the predraft discussions here and alway look forward Colin's mocks.
 
Lets Bump this threadVince Young is looking decent as a rusher today in the rose bowl but lacks (IMHO) passing skill and will need at least 2 more college years and at least 2 years in the NFL to be a top 5-10 NFL QBAny chance this kid could be a WR ??? He looks to be in the same mold as Drew Bennett, Hines Ward, Rod Smith and Ronald Curry
Yep, that was a truly amazing performance by Young. THose TD runs, he never appeared to even go full out. Just fast enough that no on could catch him. As a side note, you can tell how much the team is accustomed to his scrambling. There were so many critical downfield blocks on those TD runs. RB's and WR's taking out 1 or 2 UM defenders and Young running right off the block. What a great game to watch.Now, for the NFL....I remember reading an article about TEX recruit Ryan Perrilloux. RP was quoted about his conversations with Young. Young told him he would be back for one more year and then the ball would be RP's.Young is going to be VERY VERY high on the draft board in 2006. He's going to have a portfolio very similar to Michael Vick's coming out of college. This Rose Bowl was Young's version of Vick's Sugar Bowl vs. FSU.He'll be drafted as a QB, just like Vick. As much as everyone bags on Vicks passing abilities, it didn't affect his draft status. Nor will it happen for Young. Yes, VY would be a PHENOMENAL WR, but I just don't think that's going to happen.Again, what an amazing performance. Simply breath-taking.
 
I've seen parts of a few Longhorn games this year, nothing I've seen makes me think he's a good passer at all... to be a QB you have to be ableto play QB ..... running 15 QB sprint draws up the middle a game is not going to happen, I can tell you that.........I don't think his best position in the pros might be QB.... looks like he could play WR.....I've read parts of three or four posts at the beginning..... I'm just telling you what I've seen..... this kid doesn't strike me as a good pro QB throwing the football......I sure as heck don't thinkI'd take him#1 overall on my pro team........

 
He'll be drafted as a QB, just like Vick. As much as everyone bags on Vicks passing abilities, it didn't affect his draft status. Nor will it happen for Young. Yes, VY would be a PHENOMENAL WR, but I just don't think that's going to happen
Vick has an effortless throwing motion and delivery. Young's slow, side-armed from the shoulder sling will limit his ability to play on Sundays. Young gets by on his amazing athletic talent at the college level but his current "mechanics" will dramatically impact his ability to play on Sundays. That fact clearly separates the two. It was noted during the broadcast yesterday that the Texas coaching staff has attempted to correct Young's throwing motion. However, when tasked with doing passing the ball in a more conventional manner, Young's ability to make throws dwindles significantly. Fouts closed by saying the Texas coaches have decided to let him, Young, be, which is a HUGE injustice to the kid.

If it ain't broke don't fix it is a piss poor excuse for any coach to make and the easy way out. Somebody in Austin needs to take the time to teach Young. The kid is an amazing talent and stopping short of correcting his most glaring weakness is flat out wrong.

 
He'll be drafted as a QB, just like Vick. As much as everyone bags on Vicks passing abilities, it didn't affect his draft status. Nor will it happen for Young. Yes, VY would be a PHENOMENAL WR, but I just don't think that's going to happen
Vick has an effortless throwing motion and delivery. Young's slow, side-armed from the shoulder sling will limit his ability to play on Sundays. Young gets by on his amazing athletic talent at the college level but his current "mechanics" will dramatically impact his ability to play on Sundays. That fact clearly separates the two. It was noted during the broadcast yesterday that the Texas coaching staff has attempted to correct Young's throwing motion. However, when tasked with doing passing the ball in a more conventional manner, Young's ability to make throws dwindles significantly. Fouts closed by saying the Texas coaches have decided to let him, Young, be, which is a HUGE injustice to the kid.

If it ain't broke don't fix it is a piss poor excuse for any coach to make and the easy way out. Somebody in Austin needs to take the time to teach Young. The kid is an amazing talent and stopping short of correcting his most glaring weakness is flat out wrong.
Don't hold your breath. The Coaches at TExas are about as poor at developing talent as any in recent memory.That being said, you people are absolutely :crazy: if you think that scouts who see tape of Young (including the Rose Bowl) are thinking, "Boy, we'd love to get him and turn him in to a WR..." QBs sell Tickets. They sell jerseys. They establish a "brand" for a team. Michael Vick is a marginal passer and just guided his team to the #2 seed in the NFC and got a 100 million dollar contract for his trouble. The Falcons sell almost as much merch (#4 overall, IIRC) as anyone because of Vick. Football is a business first, and I assure you that Vinny Testaverde jerseys aren't flying off the shelves in Dallas and Josh McCown jerseys aren't sold out in Phoenix. Players that are EXCITING make the team $$$. We can argue all day about who got the better end of the Atl/SD deal that made Vick a Falcon, but I assure you that the Falcons are plenty pleased with how it turned out.

Young's throwing motion doesn't need to be great. It simply needs to be "good enough", which it will be with proper coaching. Players like YOung put other teams at a disadvantage because at a minimum 1 (if not 2) defensive players have to be spying the QB at all times. That opens things for the WRs, TEs, and RBs, which leads to moving the chains and winning games.

Bottom line, QBs that MIGHT be special get drafted high in the first round. THe list is long of players that didn't pan out (Leaf, Akili Smith, Mirer) but teams have been, and always will be, eager to take a chance on getting that ***SPECIAL*** QB when he comes along.

COlin

 
He'll be drafted as a QB, just like Vick. As much as everyone bags on Vicks passing abilities, it didn't affect his draft status. Nor will it happen for Young. Yes, VY would be a PHENOMENAL WR, but I just don't think that's going to happen
Vick has an effortless throwing motion and delivery. Young's slow, side-armed from the shoulder sling will limit his ability to play on Sundays. Young gets by on his amazing athletic talent at the college level but his current "mechanics" will dramatically impact his ability to play on Sundays. That fact clearly separates the two. It was noted during the broadcast yesterday that the Texas coaching staff has attempted to correct Young's throwing motion. However, when tasked with doing passing the ball in a more conventional manner, Young's ability to make throws dwindles significantly. Fouts closed by saying the Texas coaches have decided to let him, Young, be, which is a HUGE injustice to the kid.

If it ain't broke don't fix it is a piss poor excuse for any coach to make and the easy way out. Somebody in Austin needs to take the time to teach Young. The kid is an amazing talent and stopping short of correcting his most glaring weakness is flat out wrong.
Don't hold your breath. The Coaches at TExas are about as poor at developing talent as any in recent memory.That being said, you people are absolutely :crazy: if you think that scouts who see tape of Young (including the Rose Bowl) are thinking, "Boy, we'd love to get him and turn him in to a WR..." QBs sell Tickets. They sell jerseys. They establish a "brand" for a team. Michael Vick is a marginal passer and just guided his team to the #2 seed in the NFC and got a 100 million dollar contract for his trouble. The Falcons sell almost as much merch (#4 overall, IIRC) as anyone because of Vick. Football is a business first, and I assure you that Vinny Testaverde jerseys aren't flying off the shelves in Dallas and Josh McCown jerseys aren't sold out in Phoenix. Players that are EXCITING make the team $$$. We can argue all day about who got the better end of the Atl/SD deal that made Vick a Falcon, but I assure you that the Falcons are plenty pleased with how it turned out.

Young's throwing motion doesn't need to be great. It simply needs to be "good enough", which it will be with proper coaching. Players like YOung put other teams at a disadvantage because at a minimum 1 (if not 2) defensive players have to be spying the QB at all times. That opens things for the WRs, TEs, and RBs, which leads to moving the chains and winning games.

Bottom line, QBs that MIGHT be special get drafted high in the first round. THe list is long of players that didn't pan out (Leaf, Akili Smith, Mirer) but teams have been, and always will be, eager to take a chance on getting that ***SPECIAL*** QB when he comes along.

COlin
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Colin deserves major props for this thread. I would have probably dealt him a lot of criticism myself if I had read this last year, but in the end it looks like he was right.

 
Umm, don't be too generous with the props -- the 2005 draft was last year. At best, Colin was a year too early, and he still is unlikely to go #1 over Bush.

 
Umm, don't be too generous with the props -- the 2005 draft was last year. At best, Colin was a year too early, and he still is unlikely to go #1 over Bush.
No, is still will NOT go #1 over Bush. That was a great game he played last night. Probably the best I have ever seen in a big game from a player. Can we finally stop discrediting the rest of the Texas supporting cast though. That is the best Oline in college football and the RBs and WR are loaded with talent.
 
Am I missing something?VY just had a great game, and probably cemented his position as the premier college football player this season, but that's an awfully different matter from establishing himself as the #1 selection in the NFL draft, which is what the title of this thread is proclaiming.He just tuned up a defense that also got tuned up by Fresno State. Texas deserves mad acclaim for finally taking out this juggernaut team, but nothing VY did warrants #1 overall discussion at this point.He's still a guy with serious questions about his throwing mechanics, and he's a guy who isn't going to outquick or outmuscle NFL front sevens the way he did NCAA defenses for most of his effectiveness. Nobody but CB's is going to bounce off him the way college defenders did. To succeed with his style of play, he's either going to have to be Vickishly fast and quick to avoid NFL-speed LB's (he's not), about 30 lbs heavier without sacrificing ANY speed so he can continue to play bulldozer at the NFL level (impossible), or on a team with unreal weapons (a situation where any QB can succeed).If you're an NFL gm, what is your plan with this guy if you see him leading your team? Do you see evidence he can pass the lights out against great secondaries? There's no way he runs like that in the NFL. If he tries, he's headed for the IR. Right now, the fact that he runs like a monster in the NCAA probably means he'll grade out with an A+ in the "scrambling" category when he's evaluated. But he needs a great Wonderlic, killer interviews, and world-class throwing drills before I even consider him a first-rounder if I'm building my NFL team.

 
Am I missing something?

VY just had a great game, and probably cemented his position as the premier college football player this season, but that's an awfully different matter from establishing himself as the #1 selection in the NFL draft, which is what the title of this thread is proclaiming.

He just tuned up a defense that also got tuned up by Fresno State. Texas deserves mad acclaim for finally taking out this juggernaut team, but nothing VY did warrants #1 overall discussion at this point.

He's still a guy with serious questions about his throwing mechanics, and he's a guy who isn't going to outquick or outmuscle NFL front sevens the way he did NCAA defenses for most of his effectiveness. Nobody but CB's is going to bounce off him the way college defenders did. To succeed with his style of play, he's either going to have to be Vickishly fast and quick to avoid NFL-speed LB's (he's not), about 30 lbs heavier without sacrificing ANY speed so he can continue to play bulldozer at the NFL level (impossible), or on a team with unreal weapons (a situation where any QB can succeed).

If you're an NFL gm, what is your plan with this guy if you see him leading your team? Do you see evidence he can pass the lights out against great secondaries? There's no way he runs like that in the NFL. If he tries, he's headed for the IR. Right now, the fact that he runs like a monster in the NCAA probably means he'll grade out with an A+ in the "scrambling" category when he's evaluated. But he needs a great Wonderlic, killer interviews, and world-class throwing drills before I even consider him a first-rounder if I'm building my NFL team.
I couldn't agree more. Like I just said in another thread Bush is still the far better Pro prospect at RB than Young is at QB right now.
 
Am I missing something?

VY just had a great game, and probably cemented his position as the premier college football player this season, but that's an awfully different matter from establishing himself as the #1 selection in the NFL draft, which is what the title of this thread is proclaiming.

He just tuned up a defense that also got tuned up by Fresno State. Texas deserves mad acclaim for finally taking out this juggernaut team, but nothing VY did warrants #1 overall discussion at this point.

He's still a guy with serious questions about his throwing mechanics, and he's a guy who isn't going to outquick or outmuscle NFL front sevens the way he did NCAA defenses for most of his effectiveness. Nobody but CB's is going to bounce off him the way college defenders did. To succeed with his style of play, he's either going to have to be Vickishly fast and quick to avoid NFL-speed LB's (he's not), about 30 lbs heavier without sacrificing ANY speed so he can continue to play bulldozer at the NFL level (impossible), or on a team with unreal weapons (a situation where any QB can succeed).

If you're an NFL gm, what is your plan with this guy if you see him leading your team? Do you see evidence he can pass the lights out against great secondaries? There's no way he runs like that in the NFL. If he tries, he's headed for the IR. Right now, the fact that he runs like a monster in the NCAA probably means he'll grade out with an A+ in the "scrambling" category when he's evaluated. But he needs a great Wonderlic, killer interviews, and world-class throwing drills before I even consider him a first-rounder if I'm building my NFL team.
Yes.. you are missing that he said that back in August of 2004.. not too bad for a pick 2 seasons ago... very close to #1 anyway
 

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