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The #1 Pick of the 2005 Draft - Vincent Young (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Colin Dowling
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Good call, Colin.J
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
I think he's the next Randall Cunningham... for better or worse.
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beto
Footballguy
All are great football players, but I don't agree that you can't go wrong. Seems like you need coaches who know how to use the player as well. Esp. Young since he will not be prototypical.A great year to have any top 6 pick IMO.
Young, Leinart, Bush, Brick, Kiwanuka or Hawk, you can't go wrong with any of them.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
This was from last year, which is when I thought the "breakout" would occur and there would be a void of QB talent at the top of the draft. The breakout took a little longer than expected, but there did end up being not much to crazy over at the top of QB draft board.I also started a thread saying "I'm not cheering for UT, but you have been warned about Vince Young" the day of the Ohio State game. Clearly, Reggie Bush may go 1st. It's likely, even if Young comes out, but the transition from most people saying stupid things like "Young should be moved to Receiver" to where we are today is astounding, although I am not surprised. My favorite part of last night was watching Kirk Herbstreit fake like he was calling asking if the Heisman could a revote. I think Young is going to be a dazzling pro. He'll no doubt be told that if enters the draft, he can expect to be a top-3 selection and it's going to be REALLY hard to pass on that. For those peopel saying "it was only one game", I realize you don't live in the southwest area for TV programming. It's not "only one game." It's EVERY game. Last season, they were imploding against Kansas and Young pulled off a comeback similar to last night. Last year against Michigan, no one could do anything right so Young latched the team to his back and went with it. Each week has provided another example and if you dismiss the Rose Bowl - the largest stage in college football against a team that had won 34 str8 games - as being "only one game", then I can't help you.Colin
-OZ-
Footballguy
Fair enough - "If you are worthy of holding your job as a coach in the NFL... you can't go wrong with any".All are great football players, but I don't agree that you can't go wrong. Seems like you need coaches who know how to use the player as well. Esp. Young since he will not be prototypical.A great year to have any top 6 pick IMO.
Young, Leinart, Bush, Brick, Kiwanuka or Hawk, you can't go wrong with any of them.
-OZ-
Footballguy
So how exactly did you come to this conclusion that he can't throw? Was it his pitiful 30-40 for 267 yards in a National Championship game that you came to this conclusion?
Good luck convincing the VY-haters. 
Those who have watched his progression will see things a bit differently than those who have only occasionally seen him while he destroys their favorite team.He is not a finished product, but I haven't seen a QB with better overall talent.
I'm just wondering if the Young critics are the same guys who think Vick isn't a NFL QB.
Ryan Leaf Superstar
Footballguy
I had my doubts about Young as an effective NFL QB prior to this season, but by midseason of 2005 I realized he really had improved as a passer. And I really liked him as a leader and a playmaker. I was hoping the Longhorns would win last night because I thought it would increase the chances that Young would skip his senior year - and thus the Titans could grab him at #3. After last night's performance, I'm not sure he'll still be around at #3. Regardless of which QB the Saints take, it looks like the Titans are going to get a winner.I still say Bush #1, Linehart #2, and Young #3. Props to Colin for recognizing Young's QB talent much earlier than most of us.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
My favorite part of this morning was reading all the writers who kept a game log. Every one I found starts with the inevitable "My head tells me USC is going to roll, Leinart and Bush will be too much" and ends with something along the lines of "I am completely speechless. That is the most unbelievable performance I've ever seen." Or something to that degree.My favorite is Bill Simmons (Sports Guy) at ESPN who started with "That throwing motion will never work in the NFL....After the game, will Vince Young give Johnny Damon his arm back" and ends up with "The only other QBs I want leading my team other than Vince Young are named Brady, Manning, and Palmer." It's been a fun day so far.
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
What I think sold me on Young, leadership-wise, was on the 3rd/5 play from the 9 yd line at the end of the game. He walks to the huddle, grins, and calls the play. That grin told me all I needed to know about him being a big game player. He's a cold blooded killer if he has to be.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Colin,Congrats on seeing this last year. You've made a habit of identifying players that are emerging before they actually do. Nice work on this one. From my perspective he should go now. I'm not the first to say this but I agree that his value will not be any higher than it is right now. Another year and good coaches start to figure out how to defend him. When at the top you cannot go any higher. The only place to go is down. He should take advantage of his opportunity.As far as my opinion of him, I could care less what people say about his mechanics. Clearly, the guy can play and he's more than proven what he's capable of doing. He single handedly carried the Horns to the title. When other guys were turning the ball over and unable to spot USC, he simply took the Trogans by the "horns" so to speak and won that game.I'd gladly give him a shot to do that for my team!
From my perspective he should go now. I'm not the first to say this but I agree that his value will not be any higher than it is right now. Another year and good coaches start to figure out how to defend him. When at the top you cannot go any higher. The only place to go is down. He should take advantage of his opportunity.As far as my opinion of him, I could care less what people say about his mechanics. Clearly, the guy can play and he's more than proven what he's capable of doing. He single handedly carried the Horns to the title. When other guys were turning the ball over and unable to spot USC, he simply took the Trogans by the "horns" so to speak and won that game.I'd gladly give him a shot to do that for my team!
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Texas is loaded with talent, even at the skill positions. You will all hear MUCH more from Jamaal Charles.
Damn, I was starting to think I was the only one who saw that.Dude is sick. Made me feel better. I was about to puke.
Exactly. 100% correct, and perfectly stated.I've watched every game this kid has played, and many of his practices. People knocked his throwing last year. Some said he should be moved to WR, so he just went out and worked on it with the WRs in the off-season and became the #1 pass-efficiency QB in the NCAA for 2005. What that tells me is that he's not finished getting better.For those of you who think he can't run in the NFL like he did last night and expect to last long, you're right, sort of. The thing is, he didn't run much in several games this season, as the coaches were wisely keeping him healthy for the big game. In those games he simply tore teams a new one with his arm. What his running ability adds in the nfl is not the ability to gameplan for VY to run 10 or 20 times a game on planned runs. When the pocket breaks down and he has nobody to throw to, he'll be gone...and there has never been a QB in the NFL who can run like Vince. Not even close. That threat cannot be underestimated. It's like playing with a 12th offensive player. Another thing here is that Vince, if you really watch him a lot, does not take many hard shots. I mean it's really rare. He has great vision and field sense. Combine that with his speed and moves, and nobody can ever seem to square up on him. In the NFL, he'll be running far less and more selectively, so I expect him to take few hard shots while running. Indeed, we were more worried about him while the coaches were keeping him in the pocket this year, because he was actually getting hit more that way.
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Barry Jive and The Uptown Five
Footballguy
SImply cross out the UM references and put in USC. Everything in this post from 1 year ago still applies.
Props to Colin. I doubted Young, and I still have major questions about him as a QB. He's a great runner, and he had a nice night passing, but the SC d was very soft, giving up the short pass, and rushing 3 most of the night. I think SC's D gameplanning and/or execution cost them the game. That and Texas had a pretty good defensive showing late in the game. That said, if Young porgresses as much over the last 3 as he did the last 2, he'll be a decent NFL QB. People compare him to vick, but I see more of a fleeter Aaron Brooks. And what about that criticism of Mack Brown? I think the guy has done a pretty good job of resurrecting Texas. Everybody knew that Simms would be a better NFL QB than college. His tools were more suited to the NFL game than College. And, I further believe that Major Applewhite was a better college QB than Simms. I think they developed Roy Williams, both of them, quite well. Both were major contributors in their rookie year. And now, a national championship? With players they were unable to develop? I think not. Props to the coaching staff at Texas as well.
I'm one of them. There has never been, and never will be, a NFL QB whose main asset is running with teh ball. YOu have to be a passer first, and the ability to run comes as a bonus. QB's who run are hurn in there effectiveness by taking the pounding NFL players dole out. Vick is always hurt. They can't put on the pads a RB wears and still throw. It hasn't worked for Vick, and it wont work for Vince Young. But, I actually thing Vince has a better chance to succeed as a QB than Vick.
Chitown Mole
Footballguy
COlin is the man....just had to get my .02 in there. Great stuff.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
GREAT call Colin. While I believe VY ends up the third player picked this year, you stuck your neck out early on this call.Regarding Reggie, I don't believe he will ever take a snap as a QB in the NFL. He has mad skills, but is horrendous at reading defenses. I predict he'll be drafted, and quickly become a WR. He is not intelligent enough to play in the NFL.
On the other extreme, VY made excellent reads the entire game, and showed immense poise. As a season ticket holder here in Aggie-Land, it was a pleasure watching him play this year, but I'll be ecstatic if he enters the draft!
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
What I didn't know when I made that original post was that A&M's offensive line was going to stink for 2 solid years, and that the offense would go through a rash of injuries depleting his options at WR and RB.
I still believe McNeal has the talent to play at the NFL level, but I don't know if he has the head for it. He doesn't look settled in the pocket because he has never had sufficient time to throw, leading to him throwing passes high and too hard on short/medium routes. Hopefully he is drafted as a QB and is given a chance to learn and play.
Hopefully the o-line in Aggieland matures and improves so that Stephen McGee can become the next Bucky Richardson.
I still believe McNeal has the talent to play at the NFL level, but I don't know if he has the head for it. He doesn't look settled in the pocket because he has never had sufficient time to throw, leading to him throwing passes high and too hard on short/medium routes. Hopefully he is drafted as a QB and is given a chance to learn and play.
Hopefully the o-line in Aggieland matures and improves so that Stephen McGee can become the next Bucky Richardson.
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Nice call on McGahee Joe.
rockbottom895
Footballguy
Im sorry that you arent very bright. Unfortunatly for you, Vince Young is a quarterback. The Texans have already invested all of their money into David Carr who is still a great young talented QB. They need someone like Reggie Bush who can do all of it.
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