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The 100 Greatest movies of the 1990s #23. Trainspotting (31 Viewers)

:lmao: at "cringe police".

  • I didn't have To Die For on my Top 100 either
  • To my knowledge that movie doesn't feature a topless underage actress and an actor accused of sexual misconduct in real life as a character lusting after a HS student in it. I specifically posted that added to my feelings on the movie.
  • I haven't seen To Die For since it came out, so for all I know I could have a similar reaction. American Beauty I watched much more recently so it is fresh in my memory.
  • 0 clue what Black Licorice is, so again I have no context for what you speak of
  • In general, right or wrong, society frowns more on the older male/young girl power dynamic when that happens.
  • My beef with the end is my interpretation of how the relationship is framed throughout the movie. Other movies that I could think of have a more negative outlook on the character and are tonally different. Again, JMO and that is the beauty of art and how people view and interpret things differently. We all bring our individual baggage to the movies.

This isn't just an American Beauty thing. I don't like some 80s movies near as much now for similar reasons.
He meant Licorice Pizza. One difference there is it’s the 15 year old who wants a relationship with the adult. The adult is friends with him but she’s not trying to have a romantic relationship. Also like most things in movies the answer is just in how it’s filmed and portrayed. Just like we can watch a movie like Final Destination where a dozen people die horrible deaths and laugh through it all and then another movie has a single character die in an accident and it’s soul crushing.
Doh! That make more sense. I've also said elsewhere that is my least favorite PTA, and i found that dynamic odd. As you said, it is not as sexually charged either.

She shows him her boobs!!!!! Willingly!

It is an odd movie but it's absolutely about an adult woman wanting a relationship with a child.
Dude, i didnt like the movie, and we are about to go down and even weirder rabbit hole debating what is more sexual in a movie - flashing boobs to a minor or masturbating while dreaming of diddling one.

I feel you and others are getting defensive as though i think you guys are weird pervs for liking a movie i don't. That was never my intention nor do i believe i implied that. It is just my opinion.

I absolutely love horror movies and watch a ton of depraved ****. It speaks nothing of who i am, so i pass 0 judgement on others on that front.

Definitely not a rabbit hole I want to dive into further but the point remains, movies continue to be made that have inappropriate relationships as a part of the movie's story. Licorice Pizza is just the most recent example of a film where an adult pursues a teen. How graphic that gets depicted in the film isn't the sticking point - it's that American Beauty is polarizing while the others I mention escape the same scrutiny. Why? Think that's a fair question.
 
:lmao: at "cringe police".

  • I didn't have To Die For on my Top 100 either
  • To my knowledge that movie doesn't feature a topless underage actress and an actor accused of sexual misconduct in real life as a character lusting after a HS student in it. I specifically posted that added to my feelings on the movie.
  • I haven't seen To Die For since it came out, so for all I know I could have a similar reaction. American Beauty I watched much more recently so it is fresh in my memory.
  • 0 clue what Black Licorice is, so again I have no context for what you speak of
  • In general, right or wrong, society frowns more on the older male/young girl power dynamic when that happens.
  • My beef with the end is my interpretation of how the relationship is framed throughout the movie. Other movies that I could think of have a more negative outlook on the character and are tonally different. Again, JMO and that is the beauty of art and how people view and interpret things differently. We all bring our individual baggage to the movies.

This isn't just an American Beauty thing. I don't like some 80s movies near as much now for similar reasons.
He meant Licorice Pizza. One difference there is it’s the 15 year old who wants a relationship with the adult. The adult is friends with him but she’s not trying to have a romantic relationship. Also like most things in movies the answer is just in how it’s filmed and portrayed. Just like we can watch a movie like Final Destination where a dozen people die horrible deaths and laugh through it all and then another movie has a single character die in an accident and it’s soul crushing.
Doh! That make more sense. I've also said elsewhere that is my least favorite PTA, and i found that dynamic odd. As you said, it is not as sexually charged either.

She shows him her boobs!!!!! Willingly!

It is an odd movie but it's absolutely about an adult woman wanting a relationship with a child.
Dude, i didnt like the movie, and we are about to go down and even weirder rabbit hole debating what is more sexual in a movie - flashing boobs to a minor or masturbating while dreaming of diddling one.

I feel you and others are getting defensive as though i think you guys are weird pervs for liking a movie i don't. That was never my intention nor do i believe i implied that. It is just my opinion.

I absolutely love horror movies and watch a ton of depraved ****. It speaks nothing of who i am, so i pass 0 judgement on others on that front.

Definitely not a rabbit hole I want to dive into further but the point remains, movies continue to be made that have inappropriate relationships as a part of the movie's story. Licorice Pizza is just the most recent example of a film where an adult pursues a teen. How graphic that gets depicted in the film isn't the sticking point - it's that American Beauty is polarizing while the others I mention escape the same scrutiny. Why? Think that's a fair question.

Its a fair question, but all your examples so far i am familiar with i find cringey and weird at best. From eyelid chick in Indy to Bender sticking his head between Claire's legs to Anerican Beauty to Licorice Pizza.

That said, my mileage with the movie depends on how much it is a central part of the story, how explicit it is, and how I feel the movie handles it. That is all personal interpretation and why you might not get consistent answers from people. Sorry, how graphic the scene is will be a sticking point for me. Also the difference in age and power dynamic. In real life, i think there is a big difference between a date and flash between a HS and college age woman vs a dad lusting after and almost nailing his daughter's friend. My reactions to movies will reflect that opinion.

Imo a big reason American Beauty gets tougher scrutiny is the Spacey factor, fair or not. For me personally the Birch thing is too much too, whether she had her parents concent or not. That is just weird. These examples are not all apple to apple comparisons.

There are other examples 70s and 80s movies where underage girls get naked and i have the same resction. There are examples of actresses being tricked into nudity for movie and i think those movies have a similar cringe factor to them and struggle watching them after knowing that fact. And people have similar reaction to movies starring other actors who are have done bad things IRL from Spacey to Affleck brothers to Cosby to Gibson.

American Beauty happens to have examples off all of the above. Not sure how many other movies have similar baggage.
 

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