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Shutout
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Shrug now but I bet on about 2-3 years you won't be able to see how the world was without it.
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Sammy3469
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It's the front facing 3D camera that is the bigger deal though, correct?
There are no added AR Capabilities built into the X AFAIK.
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Front facing camera, OLED full face screen, battery life, and rear facing camera (vs the 8).
The General
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The General
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Attn: phone / carrier experts
I have the ATT grandfathered plan. Unlimited everything for about 90/month. One phone only on my plan.
ATT doesn't do the subsidized phones anymore and suck when traveling out of country.
I'm ready to jump ship if I need to.
Best deals out there? Does anyone do unlimited data anymore?
TMobile seems to be doing good things.
I have the ATT grandfathered plan. Unlimited everything for about 90/month. One phone only on my plan.
ATT doesn't do the subsidized phones anymore and suck when traveling out of country.
I'm ready to jump ship if I need to.
Best deals out there? Does anyone do unlimited data anymore?
TMobile seems to be doing good things.
jhib
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Mr. Ected
Footballguy
I don't like putting my phone in my back pocket. I am afraid of sitting on it and breaking it.
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IIRC it's a 0 interest "loan" through a 3rd party (guessing interest is subsidized by Apple) and payments are direct to them.
Holding your phone up for augmented reality is just gong to be terrible. The last thing I want to see at Maunakey is a bunch of iPhones being held up using augmented reality.Shutout said:
Your other scenarios are not appealing why would I want to put my phone in my face while watching a game on TV? Makes no sense I get all the info I need from the TV and if I want more I can simply look at my tablet versus watching my TV through my phone. Why would I need to point my phone at my menu to tell me my favorite foods at a restaurant? If I been there I know what I liked or didn't. The one use I see that has functionality now is showing building/shop names along with you directions.
Lastly, augmented reality will become the next thing once Microsoft, Google, Facebook, or Apple get the form factor down to the size of a normal pair of glasses. Microsoft HoloLens and their compact AR glasses are the future. The glasses implementation will keep you from intruding in other peoples space and make it invisible to you when watching games, shopping, etc. Holding a phone up for info I can simply see on my phone is lame in my opinion.
Shutout
Footballguy
Have you seen how people use their phones the last decade? People walk with them, looking at them all he time with "real life" right in front of them. There are memes they make fun of people acting like zombies with their phones. Every day of my life I see people driving while looking at their phones.
Of course people will do this. Especially if the game ( or music event) is live at a park.
I think you miss the point on how this will work when you say why would I want this when I can see it on TV or use my tablet or phone? Think about how that works. If you see info on a tv, then you see what they want you to see. But how many times have you watched a game and said "where did that guy go to college?" Or watched a movie and someone say "was she in...?". Now think how you answer that question on the fly. You stop watching whatever you are watching and you start typing on your phone. With this you CONTINUE watching the live action and you simply hold the phone up like a qrc scanner and the data populates. With Siri, it could be as easy as hold the phone up, say "Siri, show me all her movies". Simple as that.
Where you're really not seeing the future is where this matters:. Money. Ad revenue. One new and incredible way for advertisers to get your attention, such as, say, Poppa Johns advertises that during tonight's Texans game, hold your phone up after every TD to get a 10% off promo coupon...Loaded straight to your poppa Johns app..Ready to go when you order on our app.
It won't have to be that one of these companies has to get a specific form factor to make it viable: they just have to embrace it into their technology for it to become viable because they are a driver in mainstream adoption. A perfect example is Apple pay. Other people had NFC transmission and the sort. It wasn't new. But when Apple pushed it into their devices and endorsed it, all of a sudden McDonald's and Williams Sonoma and restaurants all seemed very interested in having compatible devices.
Apple is driving this because they stand to make money. Lots of it. Out of this and they have the vehicle to sponsor it in these phones.
Look at one or two of their selling points that got time at the event: animoji and AR gaming. That's a significant investment on their part and some significant stage time for two things that are directly related.
This isn't going away and if Apple and advertisers have their way it will change the way we use phones all over again in the next decade, just as they said.
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Foosball God
Foos
I see the ad potential for companies, which just makes all the more reason why I wouldn't like it. I block all the ads I can as it is.
Mr. Ected
Footballguy
Not to go off on a tangent, but I agree with you about ads; I have blockers on my browsers and have them set to block on all sites, unless the site asks me to not block the ad. If they are a small little site, I figure my ad revenue can help, if they ask me nicely.
Yeah, I have seen how they use there phones that was my whole point. I mention not wanting crap like that intruding into one of the most awe inspiring places on earth.
You really think holding your phone up to watch your TV to get info is interesting? To make it worse I hold up my phone to watch my tv to watch an Ad? That one mention would make me throw the whole thing out. The restaurants I go to send me coupons every other day in e-mail why would I want to have to hold my phone up to watch my tv to see an add to get the same 10% off I have sitting in my e-mail? I work in tech love tech, code on every platform I have, and beta on almost all platforms. The one thing I can tell you is this is about the worst Idea i can think of outside of the gaming demo they gave with the guy walking around the empty table with his phone held up to play a game.
Not sure the point on NFC is a good one. Google wallet was used by McDonald's, Subway. Macys, Toys r Us, and almost any where Master card was accepted way before Apple Pay came around. Paypass was already wide spread so the list of places was large. To this day I never see someone pulling out a phone to pay and I live in a large city. It eventually will become more wide spread but don't believe it is huge right now. In fact the last time I looked at the numbers usage had dropped from the initial launch which was terrible in the first two years. I think at launch when they surveyed people using Apple Pay they asked how often do you use it and from launch to late 2016 I think it went from 50% to 20% or around there. Anyway that is off topic.
AR gaming still burns to much battery and really is not worth it. Pokemon already does it and everyone I know that plays that game carries around spare battery chargers. If Animoji is a selling point then they have really fallen. I was hoping ot replace my current 6 with one of the new phones but just am not impressed with them and the lack of a head phone jack is still a sticking point for me.
Apple is the last on the band wagon for this and getting it into a phone is not the way it will end up going. Microsoft HoloLens is the future and leveraging a phone for Augmented reality is not that good of an idea. While augmented gaming such as Ingress has been around on phones for awhile the future is in Glasses. Samples below. Once they get the size down this is what the future is not holding a phone up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uulAytXG_TM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29xnzxgCx6I
This is where the tech is headed and where I see the part of the phone coming in. It will be the CPU behind the glasses or possibly the glasses will contain a low power GPU for normal day to day activity and the heavier GPU/CPU combination will be contained in the phone for games and other heavy usage applicators. Kind of like what they do for the Surface Book now with the GPU option and the Xbox with the streaming option.
https://uploadvr.com/microsoft-research-reveals-new-slimmed-ar-glasses/
Any way I rambled way to much but do not see Augmented reality coming much further than Gaming, GPS, and maybe Skymaps. All the true power and innovation will come from the glasses where your hands are free and your not watching one device with another.
Foosball God
Foos
I think Google Glass had it almost right. It was just a little too ahead of the curve.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Papa Johns sucks ### - unless Poppa Johns meant something else.Shutout said:
Otis
Footballguy
I absolutely love my AirPods. Use them religiously for the gym, for my commute, and for taking calls. Won't ever go back.
Glad they killed the headphone jack. Relic.
Shutout
Footballguy
Mr. Ected
Footballguy
Ordered it off of the AT&T site. I am an AT&T customer currently, so this was a continuation of my 'Next' program with them, although I have paid off my current iPhone 6.
ETA: I stayed up last nite until 12:00 to try and order the phone then, but the stores weren't 'open' yet. The AT&T store said they'd be open at 12:00 pdt, but were counting down an hour, so I stayed up until 1, to no avail.
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MattFancy
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Shutout
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Johnny Bing
Footballguy
The main concern I have with the X is the only way to unlock is the face recognition or the passcode from what I understand. I'm not a passcode guy, nothing to hide so always having to rely on the face recognition worries me.
How will it work if your wearing ball cap or sunglasses, will you always need to take those things off or is it just based on your face shape?
How will it work if your wearing ball cap or sunglasses, will you always need to take those things off or is it just based on your face shape?
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My experience with the AirPods at the gym/working out was not great. They kept falling out during my HIIT sessions which wasn't just annoying but an interruption to good work outs. The noise isolation in the gym it terrible and i don't want to turn up the volume to loud. Sound quality was way down from my normal set of workout headphones. For gentle bike rides they are fine but the way they pop out of my ears i'd be afraid I'd never find one if it fell out while riding.
At the price given i wouldn't own a set I took mine back. I'd rather spend that money on B&O, RHA, Vmoda, Jaybird, etc. I personally work out with the Jaybirds as they stay put regardless of what i'm doing.
The head jack removal is irritating but can be overcome with a dongle so you can charge and play. I just leave the dongle on my B&O set so it is always there. It is a bad solution but it works.
I looked at the S8+ but i'm still not convinced it is better than an iPhone. Looking forward to seeing the 10 so I can make that decision.
Otis
Footballguy
Mine literally have never fallen out. I use them daily. That said im lifting weights and not doing arobacize or whatever high intensity exercise you're doing.
I've yet to meet anyone that does not have them fall out on occasion. Not to mention sound quality and isolation level at the gym.
I'm sure if you just sitting on a weight bench chilling and doing gentle exercise they might not fall out. I only had an occasional dropped airpod that way. Unfortunately that is only two days of my work out routines. HIIT is High Intensity Interval Training. I do HIIT in the form of running, biking and full body workouts. My sessions are generally full body workouts. I say this to give everyone an idea of the conditions I tried them under.
Example hit sessions 35/25 (3 Rounds)
6 high knees 4 lunge jumps 5 narrow 5 wide press-ups 5 toe touches 5 full body crunch 6 mountain climbers 2 side step 4 crab toe touch 4 kick through
Generally here is my week where I would use headphones. The lifting days were not to bad but it really depends on what you are doing.
Monday – Lifting
Tuesday – Sprints
Wednesday – Lifting
Thursday – HIIT
Saturday – HIIT
In the end the Jaybirds were all around better for the same price as the AirPods.
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Not sure I understand your complaint here... Previously it was TouchID or Passcode, now it's FaceID or Passcode. You're going to be relying on some biometric login or passcode regardless.
Apple was pretty clear that FaceID should work no problem with hats/classes.. I'd presume it will work with sunglasses as well given the variety of sensors involved in the scan.... but that remains to be seen. I find it hard to believe they'd come to market with a product that would require you to remove your sunglasses or enter a passcode each time.
YOu say you're not a passcode guy, nothing to hide... are you implying you'd rather not lock the phone? IF so, I'm pretty sure that's an option on the X as well. They didn't MAKE you use TouchID or passcode on the older phones, and I doubt they'll MAKE you use FaceID or passcode on the new ones.
Johnny Bing
Footballguy
Then I misunderstood the release. I took it as since they did away with the home button the only way to unlock was with face recognition or passcode. If you can still opt for neither then ignore the above.
Gianni Verscotchie
Footballguy
Regardless of fit the sound and noise isolation is lacking so wouldn't use them most of the time. If I wanted to go with out it I would wear the AfterShokz. Apple buds are inferior to most brands of head phones.
Mr. Ected
Footballguy
That's interesting, I have always found them better sounding than most earphones in the same price range (~$20). I like the way they fit, and would hope that the Bluetooth version would have the same fit. Not sure I could swing the $150 for a pair of earphones, tho.
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