The Apple iPhone Thread (2 Viewers)

[tommyGunZ]

Not sure if they missed earnings or their guidance was low, but apparently the 166 close was a sell - after hours it's below 159.

 

[adonis]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5goxCu1f...D185GgD922FA000

Apple 3Q profit jumps 31 percent

By JESSICA MINTZ – 10 minutes ago

Apple Inc. says its most recent quarterly profit jumped 31 percent and beat Wall Street's forecasts. It was helped by demand for Macintosh computers and iPod media players.

Apple earned $1.07 billion, or $1.19 per share, 11 cents ahead of Wall Street's expectations, according to a Thomson Financial survey of analysts.

Revenue jumped 38 percent to $7.46 billion, also beating analysts' average forecast.

Apple says it shipped 2.5 million Macs in the quarter, up 41 percent from a year ago. IPod shipments jumped 12 percent.

Apple Insider guys predicted :

I am now looking for Apple to record approximately $1.20 in EPS on $7.720 billion in revenue.

Not bad.

 

[tommyGunZ]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5goxCu1f...D185GgD922FA000

Apple 3Q profit jumps 31 percent

By JESSICA MINTZ – 10 minutes ago

Apple Inc. says its most recent quarterly profit jumped 31 percent and beat Wall Street's forecasts. It was helped by demand for Macintosh computers and iPod media players.

Apple earned $1.07 billion, or $1.19 per share, 11 cents ahead of Wall Street's expectations, according to a Thomson Financial survey of analysts.

Revenue jumped 38 percent to $7.46 billion, also beating analysts' average forecast.

Apple says it shipped 2.5 million Macs in the quarter, up 41 percent from a year ago. IPod shipments jumped 12 percent.

Apple Insider guys predicted :

I am now looking for Apple to record approximately $1.20 in EPS on $7.720 billion in revenue.

Not bad.

Pretty close, but overly optimistic, as would be expected. And don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Apple analysts, just pointing out that if you're looking for objective, unemotional analysis, going to "apple insider" for info is probably not a good idea. You know?

 

[adonis]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5goxCu1f...D185GgD922FA000

Apple 3Q profit jumps 31 percent

By JESSICA MINTZ – 10 minutes ago

Apple Inc. says its most recent quarterly profit jumped 31 percent and beat Wall Street's forecasts. It was helped by demand for Macintosh computers and iPod media players.

Apple earned $1.07 billion, or $1.19 per share, 11 cents ahead of Wall Street's expectations, according to a Thomson Financial survey of analysts.

Revenue jumped 38 percent to $7.46 billion, also beating analysts' average forecast.

Apple says it shipped 2.5 million Macs in the quarter, up 41 percent from a year ago. IPod shipments jumped 12 percent.

Apple Insider guys predicted :

I am now looking for Apple to record approximately $1.20 in EPS on $7.720 billion in revenue.

Not bad.

Pretty close, but overly optimistic, as would be expected. And don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Apple analysts, just pointing out that if you're looking for objective, unemotional analysis, going to "apple insider" for info is probably not a good idea. You know?

I'd agree, but on this one, they were within about a penny of the correct call. But in general, you're right.Another article here:

Apple outlook below Wall St though profit beats

Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:44pm EDT

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Apple Inc on Monday projected fourth-quarter earnings below Wall Street targets despite a better-than-expected third-quarter profit on brisk sales of its Macintosh personal computers.

Shares of the company fell nearly 4 percent.

Apple said it expected fourth-quarter earnings of $1.00 per share and revenue of $7.8 billion, compared with average Wall Street targets of $1.25 earnings per share and $8.3 billion revenue, according to Reuters Estimates.

Fiscal third-quarter net income rose to $1.07 billion, or $1.19 per share, from $818.0 million, or 92 cents per share, a year ago. Revenue advanced to $7.46 billion from $5.41 billion. Analysts, on average, had expected a profit of $1.08 on revenue of $7.37 billion.

Apple this month rolled out the latest version of its iPhone, which connects to the Internet at faster speeds than its previous version.

Shares of Apple have declined 17 percent this year, based on Friday's close, compared with a decline of 14 percent in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index.

It's just funny that people still think this is news. Every...single...quarter, Apple lowballs earnings estimates. Every...single...time.I sure hope people aren't factoring that into the share prices dropping. Regardless, to be long in Apple is where it's at.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

"We're proud to report the best June quarter for both revenue and earnings in Apple's history," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "We set a new record for Mac sales, we think we have a real winner with our new iPhone 3G, and we're busy finishing several more wonderful new products to launch in the coming months."

#######it. I hate when they do this low guidance bull####. 3Q this year could be the real coming out party with back to school and the global iPhone 2.0 release.

Conference call

 

[tommyGunZ]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5goxCu1f...D185GgD922FA000

Apple 3Q profit jumps 31 percent

By JESSICA MINTZ – 10 minutes ago

Apple Inc. says its most recent quarterly profit jumped 31 percent and beat Wall Street's forecasts. It was helped by demand for Macintosh computers and iPod media players.

Apple earned $1.07 billion, or $1.19 per share, 11 cents ahead of Wall Street's expectations, according to a Thomson Financial survey of analysts.

Revenue jumped 38 percent to $7.46 billion, also beating analysts' average forecast.

Apple says it shipped 2.5 million Macs in the quarter, up 41 percent from a year ago. IPod shipments jumped 12 percent.

Apple Insider guys predicted :

I am now looking for Apple to record approximately $1.20 in EPS on $7.720 billion in revenue.

Not bad.

Pretty close, but overly optimistic, as would be expected. And don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Apple analysts, just pointing out that if you're looking for objective, unemotional analysis, going to "apple insider" for info is probably not a good idea. You know?

I'd agree, but on this one, they were within about a penny of the correct call. But in general, you're right.Another article here:

Apple outlook below Wall St though profit beats

Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:44pm EDT

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Apple Inc on Monday projected fourth-quarter earnings below Wall Street targets despite a better-than-expected third-quarter profit on brisk sales of its Macintosh personal computers.

Shares of the company fell nearly 4 percent.

Apple said it expected fourth-quarter earnings of $1.00 per share and revenue of $7.8 billion, compared with average Wall Street targets of $1.25 earnings per share and $8.3 billion revenue, according to Reuters Estimates.

Fiscal third-quarter net income rose to $1.07 billion, or $1.19 per share, from $818.0 million, or 92 cents per share, a year ago. Revenue advanced to $7.46 billion from $5.41 billion. Analysts, on average, had expected a profit of $1.08 on revenue of $7.37 billion.

Apple this month rolled out the latest version of its iPhone, which connects to the Internet at faster speeds than its previous version.

Shares of Apple have declined 17 percent this year, based on Friday's close, compared with a decline of 14 percent in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index.

It's just funny that people still think this is news. Every...single...quarter, Apple lowballs earnings estimates. Every...single...time.I sure hope people aren't factoring that into the share prices dropping. Regardless, to be long in Apple is where it's at.

Not if you bought at 190.

 

[adonis]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5goxCu1f...D185GgD922FA000

Apple 3Q profit jumps 31 percent

By JESSICA MINTZ – 10 minutes ago

Apple Inc. says its most recent quarterly profit jumped 31 percent and beat Wall Street's forecasts. It was helped by demand for Macintosh computers and iPod media players.

Apple earned $1.07 billion, or $1.19 per share, 11 cents ahead of Wall Street's expectations, according to a Thomson Financial survey of analysts.

Revenue jumped 38 percent to $7.46 billion, also beating analysts' average forecast.

Apple says it shipped 2.5 million Macs in the quarter, up 41 percent from a year ago. IPod shipments jumped 12 percent.

Apple Insider guys predicted :

I am now looking for Apple to record approximately $1.20 in EPS on $7.720 billion in revenue.

Not bad.

Pretty close, but overly optimistic, as would be expected. And don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Apple analysts, just pointing out that if you're looking for objective, unemotional analysis, going to "apple insider" for info is probably not a good idea. You know?

I'd agree, but on this one, they were within about a penny of the correct call. But in general, you're right.Another article here:

Apple outlook below Wall St though profit beats

Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:44pm EDT

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Apple Inc on Monday projected fourth-quarter earnings below Wall Street targets despite a better-than-expected third-quarter profit on brisk sales of its Macintosh personal computers.

Shares of the company fell nearly 4 percent.

Apple said it expected fourth-quarter earnings of $1.00 per share and revenue of $7.8 billion, compared with average Wall Street targets of $1.25 earnings per share and $8.3 billion revenue, according to Reuters Estimates.

Fiscal third-quarter net income rose to $1.07 billion, or $1.19 per share, from $818.0 million, or 92 cents per share, a year ago. Revenue advanced to $7.46 billion from $5.41 billion. Analysts, on average, had expected a profit of $1.08 on revenue of $7.37 billion.

Apple this month rolled out the latest version of its iPhone, which connects to the Internet at faster speeds than its previous version.

Shares of Apple have declined 17 percent this year, based on Friday's close, compared with a decline of 14 percent in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index.

It's just funny that people still think this is news. Every...single...quarter, Apple lowballs earnings estimates. Every...single...time.I sure hope people aren't factoring that into the share prices dropping. Regardless, to be long in Apple is where it's at.

Not if you bought at 190.

Why not? I'm long on apple and bought at 190...and 150, and 90, and 120, and 170. If you can time the market, more power to ya...I don't trust myself to do it, so I just plunk down some money each month and buy at regular intervals.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Not if you bought at 190.

Why not? I'm long on apple and bought at 190...and 150, and 90, and 120, and 170. If you can time the market, more power to ya...I don't trust myself to do it, so I just plunk down some money each month and buy at regular intervals.

If you bought at 190, right now, at 155, you need a 25% gain just to get even. I love Apple as much as the next guy, but the marketing and success of their products has people way, way overestimating Apple's stock value. You do realize that even at 155, the company's net worth is up 15X it's value just 5 years ago, right?Are you really suggesting that one should be happy to be long in a $155 stock that they paid $190 for 3-4 months ago?

 

[adonis]

Not if you bought at 190.

Why not? I'm long on apple and bought at 190...and 150, and 90, and 120, and 170. If you can time the market, more power to ya...I don't trust myself to do it, so I just plunk down some money each month and buy at regular intervals.

If you bought at 190, right now, at 155, you need a 25% gain just to get even. I love Apple as much as the next guy, but the marketing and success of their products has people way, way overestimating Apple's stock value. You do realize that even at 155, the company's net worth is up 15X it's value just 5 years ago, right?Are you really suggesting that one should be happy to be long in a $155 stock that they paid $190 for 3-4 months ago?

Depends on what the stock price will be "long term". Right now, no they shouldn't be...but of course determining long term happiness by looking at present day stock prices will seldom, if ever, make someone happy.It's a long-term investment. I'm not sure why you're pointing to current stock prices to make your point.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Not if you bought at 190.

Why not? I'm long on apple and bought at 190...and 150, and 90, and 120, and 170. If you can time the market, more power to ya...I don't trust myself to do it, so I just plunk down some money each month and buy at regular intervals.

If you bought at 190, right now, at 155, you need a 25% gain just to get even. I love Apple as much as the next guy, but the marketing and success of their products has people way, way overestimating Apple's stock value. You do realize that even at 155, the company's net worth is up 15X it's value just 5 years ago, right?Are you really suggesting that one should be happy to be long in a $155 stock that they paid $190 for 3-4 months ago?

Depends on what the stock price will be "long term". Right now, no they shouldn't be...but of course determining long term happiness by looking at present day stock prices will seldom, if ever, make someone happy.It's a long-term investment. I'm not sure why you're pointing to current stock prices to make your point.

Good point. Can't argue with that. Down to 151. I'm thinking that Apple is definitely a buy if/when if falls into the 130s again.

 

[adonis]

Not if you bought at 190.

Why not? I'm long on apple and bought at 190...and 150, and 90, and 120, and 170. If you can time the market, more power to ya...I don't trust myself to do it, so I just plunk down some money each month and buy at regular intervals.

If you bought at 190, right now, at 155, you need a 25% gain just to get even. I love Apple as much as the next guy, but the marketing and success of their products has people way, way overestimating Apple's stock value. You do realize that even at 155, the company's net worth is up 15X it's value just 5 years ago, right?Are you really suggesting that one should be happy to be long in a $155 stock that they paid $190 for 3-4 months ago?

Depends on what the stock price will be "long term". Right now, no they shouldn't be...but of course determining long term happiness by looking at present day stock prices will seldom, if ever, make someone happy.It's a long-term investment. I'm not sure why you're pointing to current stock prices to make your point.

Good point. Can't argue with that. Down to 151. I'm thinking that Apple is definitely a buy if/when if falls into the 130s again.

I agree. I think at 151 it's a buy...and all the way down it's a buy, and even up a bit higher it's a buy, on a shorter time basis - a year or two. Long term, I can't think why, aside from Jobs dying or stepping down in the next few years, this stock shouldn't be bought more often.But that's just me...and admitted apple fan.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Not if you bought at 190.

Why not? I'm long on apple and bought at 190...and 150, and 90, and 120, and 170. If you can time the market, more power to ya...I don't trust myself to do it, so I just plunk down some money each month and buy at regular intervals.

If you bought at 190, right now, at 155, you need a 25% gain just to get even. I love Apple as much as the next guy, but the marketing and success of their products has people way, way overestimating Apple's stock value. You do realize that even at 155, the company's net worth is up 15X it's value just 5 years ago, right?Are you really suggesting that one should be happy to be long in a $155 stock that they paid $190 for 3-4 months ago?

Depends on what the stock price will be "long term". Right now, no they shouldn't be...but of course determining long term happiness by looking at present day stock prices will seldom, if ever, make someone happy.It's a long-term investment. I'm not sure why you're pointing to current stock prices to make your point.

Good point. Can't argue with that. Down to 151. I'm thinking that Apple is definitely a buy if/when if falls into the 130s again.

I agree. I think at 151 it's a buy...and all the way down it's a buy, and even up a bit higher it's a buy, on a shorter time basis - a year or two. Long term, I can't think why, aside from Jobs dying or stepping down in the next few years, this stock shouldn't be bought more often.But that's just me...and admitted apple fan.

we'll you're already down $2 a share since this post, 4 minutes ago. Apple at 149 and falling. You should stop posting adonis - today isn't your day.

 

[adonis]

Not if you bought at 190.

Why not? I'm long on apple and bought at 190...and 150, and 90, and 120, and 170. If you can time the market, more power to ya...I don't trust myself to do it, so I just plunk down some money each month and buy at regular intervals.

If you bought at 190, right now, at 155, you need a 25% gain just to get even. I love Apple as much as the next guy, but the marketing and success of their products has people way, way overestimating Apple's stock value. You do realize that even at 155, the company's net worth is up 15X it's value just 5 years ago, right?Are you really suggesting that one should be happy to be long in a $155 stock that they paid $190 for 3-4 months ago?

Depends on what the stock price will be "long term". Right now, no they shouldn't be...but of course determining long term happiness by looking at present day stock prices will seldom, if ever, make someone happy.It's a long-term investment. I'm not sure why you're pointing to current stock prices to make your point.

Good point. Can't argue with that. Down to 151. I'm thinking that Apple is definitely a buy if/when if falls into the 130s again.

I agree. I think at 151 it's a buy...and all the way down it's a buy, and even up a bit higher it's a buy, on a shorter time basis - a year or two. Long term, I can't think why, aside from Jobs dying or stepping down in the next few years, this stock shouldn't be bought more often.But that's just me...and admitted apple fan.

we'll you're already down $2 a share since this post, 4 minutes ago. Apple at 149 and falling. You should stop posting adonis - today isn't your day.

Hey, I'm just pushing it down long enough for you to dip in at 120. I'm here to help.

 

[rgabbard]

I'm sure I'm late to the party, but I finally got my Black 16G yesterday!!! Sweet Jesus this thing is ridiculous and well worth the wait. I'm setting up my I-tunes stuff right now. Hopefully I'll be getting the apps many of you suggested here shortly.

AT&T's coverage in my area is better than expected. And at my house, it beats Verizon hands down. That was one of my biggest worries in switching carriers.

So far...so good.

:knocksonwood:

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

Does AT&T allow for a trial period in case the coverage is crap?

 

[ffldrew]

Just be careful

Global data roaming costs sink iPhone 3G use for enterprisesOne company holds off on purchases in hopes that AT&T roaming costs go downJuly 22, 2008 (Computerworld) Apple Inc.'s iPhone 3G has a powerful browser and faster wireless connections to all kinds of data and multimedia, but those features may be too much of a good thing for international business travelers paying data roaming rates.One U.S.-based manufacturing company with global operations would like to deploy hundreds of iPhone 3Gs but has found that international data roaming costs are too high, said an IT worker at the company who asked not to be named, citing company policies. The manufacturer's finance department has put a ban on company purchases of the iPhone 3G because the international data roaming plan for the phone's exclusive carrier in the U.S., AT&T Inc., is too expensive, he said. The company is in talks with AT&T to get a better price for the service. "Until we have an international data rate plan that isn't extortion, we're holding off deployment of iPhone 3G," said the IT manager. "IPhone sucks down data like no tomorrow."With the first-generation iPhone, the IT manager said, several executives traveled abroad and encountered "psycho-expensive" data rate costs. One executive spent three days in Canada and incurred an $800 data roaming cost, while another spent two weeks in Italy and racked up $5,000 in costs. The IT manager said he is asking AT&T to cut its international data roaming fee to one-tenth of its current rate, from about 2 cents per kilobyte to 0.2 cents per kilobyte."I realize that's an order-of-magnitude reduction, but that's what's necessary to make this device succeed for any kind of international uptick," he said. So far, however, AT&T has told the manufacturer to "lump it or leave it," the IT manager said.An AT&T spokesman said he could not discuss an individual company's plan, although he said AT&T enters into contracts with large customers based on negotiated rates. However, AT&T has implemented some special international data plans for iPhone customers, recognizing "that the iPhone consumes data and that it is worse outside the U.S.," said the spokesman, Mark Siegel.Siegel said he could not say whether many customers have complained about international data roaming costs with the iPhone 3G. However, he warned customers traveling abroad with iPhone 3G devices to be prepared for the high data usage and the cost of using a network in a foreign country under a roaming agreement. "If customers have not thought about data use abroad, we have a whole array of tips on how to avoid added costs," he said, referring to the AT&T Web page on international calling. Analysts said the manufacturer seeking lower roaming rates could be somewhat unusual because its sales personnel travel extensively to many countries. In many companies, however, sales personnel will stay in a single country, which would lower their data roaming costs, analysts noted.Siegel said that, in general, it would be less expensive to work in a single country than to travel and pay roaming fees.Analysts noted that international roaming costs are onerous no matter what kind of wireless device a user carries. But because the iPhone 3G is designed to rely on using data over 3G networks, it might be an even greater concern than with some other devices, especially cell phones that rely primarily on voice connections.Data roaming can be turned off by the iPhone user, but that doesn't give IT managers much comfort. One blogger noted the problem, and said that with Windows Mobile 6 settings, an IT manager could automatically shut off the data roaming feature to prevent a traveler near a country's border from accidentally roaming into another country, incurring added costs.

 

[Fennis]

iphone is a great consumer phone, and just to follow the article above. Apple for all its impact, just does not do enterprise well.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl...;intsrc=hm_list

Microsoft: Forget iPhone; we're still No. 2 in business

The big(ger) dog gets growly

By Eric Lai

July 21, 2008 (Computerworld) Companies -- lots of them -- are still buying Windows Mobile smart phones, and Microsoft Corp. doesn't want to let iPhone mania make them forget.

During Microsoft's most recent fiscal year, 325 enterprises purchased at least 500 Windows Mobile phones, with many buying many more, said Scott Rockfeld, group products manager for the mobile communications business at Microsoft, in a Friday interview.

"From the armed forces to the U.S. Court System, people are not just trying Windows Mobile, they are buying them," Rockfeld said, in apparent reference to a statement by Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs last month that 35% of Fortune 500 companies were beta-testing the iPhone.

Moreover, seven of the 10 largest companies in the world, as ranked by Fortune magazine, bought Windows Mobile phones, including one enterprise that bought 100,000.

Rockfeld declined to name the company or even its line of business. "That would give it away," he said. One possibility is Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Microsoft has long had close ties with the retailing giant, such that its former CIO, Kevin Turner, is now Microsoft's chief operating officer.

And Microsoft-based devices, going back to the era of Pocket PC and Windows CE handhelds, have long been popular tools for retailers and warehouses to help manage their inventory.

Windows Mobile smart phones -- including the hot HTC Touch, the Samsung BlackJack, Motorola's Moto Q and 150 or so other models -- actually outshipped iPhones by a margin greater than 2 to 1 in the first quarter of 2008, according to Gartner Inc.

For the fiscal year that ended June 30th, Microsoft sold nearly 20 million Windows Mobile licenses, according to a letter last month by Microsoft Vice President Andy Lees (download PDF).

And despite the iPhone 3G's strong opening-weekend sales (download PDF), Rockfeld noted that technology research firm IDC predicted that Windows Mobile will continue to outsell the iPhone 2 to 1 in the consumer market by 2012 and in the business space by 9 to 1.

"So you can see the hype versus the reality," he said.

Rockfeld claimed businesses prefer the stronger manageability and security of Windows Mobile phones, especially those that have been upgraded to the 6.1 version released this spring. For instance, on Windows Mobile phones, data on removable storage cards can be encrypted, he said. And finely tuned access privileges can be imposed on devices based on the user's Active Directory rights in combination with Microsoft's new System Center Mobile Device Manager server software.

SCMDM, which is Microsoft's competitor to Research In Motion Ltd.'s (RIM) popular BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES), offers 125 built-in policies and lets IT managers create their own.

"This makes Windows Mobile phones first-class citizens on the network, as easily managed as desktop or laptop PCs," Rockfeld said. He took another shot at RIM, claiming that of the 325 companies buying Windows Mobile in large quantities, about a third of them also "decommissioned" BES servers at the same time.

While Windows Mobile may be growing, the same Gartner figures showed BlackBerry sales skyrocketing. Independent software vendors that create software for both BlackBerry and Windows Mobile report the same thing.

"We've seen some uptick in Windows Mobile, but BlackBerry remains more popular by far," said Rob Woodbridge, CEO of Rove Mobile Inc.

Microsoft's success has long relied on its strong partner ecosystems. Rockfeld was not shy about criticizing Apple's strategy for building an application ecosystem around the iPhone.

Apple's decision to limit the initial number of developers able to sell their wares through App Store to just 4,000 is "not very open," Rockfeld said. "I'd hate to be the 4,001st developer in line who didn't meet some subjective bar Steve Jobs set."

Microsoft doesn't forbid anyone from developing for Windows Mobile, nor does it charge any royalties. It also has no plans to start selling Windows Mobile apps. "Once we become a retailer, then we'd have to become more closed," he said.

There were 500 mostly consumer applications available at the iPhone 3G's launch last week. In contrast, there are more than 18,000 publicly-available applications for Windows Mobile, including the just-released Guitar Hero 3 and thousands of custom business apps, Rockfeld said.

"There are tons more Windows Mobile apps than iPhone [ones]," noted Scott Gode, vice president of marketing and product management at server management outsourcer Azaleos Inc. "The true test will be to see three to five years from now."

Despite his criticism, Rockfeld didn't rule out Microsoft making software to run on the iPhone.

"Our Live Search team has a cross-platform strategy, so I can definitely assume that group is exploring the iPhone, though there are no announced plans yet," he said.

 

[goonsquad]

iphone is a great consumer phone, and just to follow the article above. Apple for all its impact, just does not do enterprise well.

The iPhone has been in the enterprise market for all of 12 days. I'd say it's a bit premature to say they don't do it well.

Windows Mobile smart phones -- including the hot HTC Touch, the Samsung BlackJack, Motorola's Moto Q and 150 or so other models -- actually outshipped iPhones by a margin greater than 2 to 1 in the first quarter of 2008, according to Gartner Inc.

So Windows Mobile is on 150+ phones and they only beat iPhone 1.0 by 2 to 1? Yikes, no wonder Microsoft appears to be panicking.

 

[adonis]

My iphone battery was draining rapidly. I reduced Push for my enterprise mail to only every 30 minutes, and my battery life has quadrupled, if not more. Boy, push email really sucks the battery life out.

I also disabled wifi- unless I know I'm going to be using it. Battery life went from very disappointing, to very impressive, with simply those two changes.

 

[adonis]

Does AT&T allow for a trial period in case the coverage is crap?

30 days.

 

[Nate]

My iphone battery was draining rapidly. I reduced Push for my enterprise mail to only every 30 minutes, and my battery life has quadrupled, if not more. Boy, push email really sucks the battery life out.

I also disabled wifi- unless I know I'm going to be using it. Battery life went from very disappointing, to very impressive, with simply those two changes.

I noticed this too. I thought Push would improve battery life because it didn't require constant fetching, but I just didn't think that it would require a constant internet connection (duh).

 

[Texican]

Quick questions...

What is the retail price on the 16G? (I am not going buying one on ebay)

Is there a limit to how many you can buy at an Apple store? (It seems like if you are lucky enough to find a store with them you should stock up)

 

[goonsquad]

Copy/paste, turn-by-turn GPS in iPhone firmware 2.1?

Friday, July 25, 2008 at 03:33 PM | Posted by kazouz

Apple has seeded a beta version of iPhone 2.1 firmware to developers yesterday.

GearLive reported that this version includes new Core Location features that could bring turn-by-turn GPS to the iPhone. Core Location reportedly has the ability to track the direction and speed at which you are traveling.

Meanwhile, hints of an copy/paste feature on the iPhone have been found according to MacNN:

One notes that in exploring the Localizable.strings entry under English.lproj in the current iPhone WebKit framework, there are entries for several commands the firmware does not currently support, including cutting, copying and pasting. Apple has expressed interest in adding the feature, but has not set a timeframe.

The emergence of the iPhone 2.0 firmware and App Store have now made the addition of a copy/paste feature even more crucial.

 

[Memphis Foundry]

In the immortal words of James Brown, "Please, Please, Please" include copy/paste in the 2.1 firmware rev. I understand this is also the rev that is supposed to include the unified OS-level request broker (to allow apps to receive information silently from a server even when they're not running in the foreground). I think this was originally promised in a September timeframe.

 

[Harry Manback]

That is awesome news.

Turn by turn and copy/paste would make this phone near perfect.

 

[TwinTurbo]

iphone is a great consumer phone, and just to follow the article above. Apple for all its impact, just does not do enterprise well.

The iPhone has been in the enterprise market for all of 12 days. I'd say it's a bit premature to say they don't do it well.

Windows Mobile smart phones -- including the hot HTC Touch, the Samsung BlackJack, Motorola's Moto Q and 150 or so other models -- actually outshipped iPhones by a margin greater than 2 to 1 in the first quarter of 2008, according to Gartner Inc.

So Windows Mobile is on 150+ phones and they only beat iPhone 1.0 by 2 to 1? Yikes, no wonder Microsoft appears to be panicking.

I work in the industry and the iPhone is not tracking well in the Enterprise yet. Apple has started an Enterprise sales team but it's still early. A few companies have IT departments that are embracing it but it's not nearly on the same level as BlackBerry or Windows Mobile for security, applications, and device management. Big companies take a long time to make decisions about new products. This will take time and Apple has an uphill battle. The other problem is price. The iPhone is the most expensive 'subsidized' smartphone in the industry once you factor in all of the service costs. And it's only on AT&T in the US Market. International roaming costs are another headache. And end-to-end corporate application support just isn't there yet. But Apple is taking market share in the retail space. It's really quite amazing to observe what they have been able to do in the US with one product on a single carrier. Over time this demand will creep into the enterprise market and force IT departments to make decisions about supporting it. But remember that the competition is continually making better devices too. RIM is the current leader in the enterprise space and other players are stepping up. The HTC Touch Diamond is an absolutely killer phone. In my opinion this is the best Windows Mobile phone yet and is enterprise ready out of the box. Then you've got Samsung, LG, Motorola, Nokia, Palm, and others all making better devices too. Apple will not be able to dominate this space just like Microsoft has not been able to dominate it. Even RIM is starting to show some cracks. The fierce competition is always driving down margins and the U.S. wireless operators ultimately have too much control over the success of any product. And don't forget about the Google Android platform on the horizon. That will make this space even more interesting. You will see 4 major operating systems: Windows Mobile, BlackBerry, Apple, and Android (Linux based) that will compete for major market share in the US over the next couple of years. Nokia's Symbian platform will continue to be strong overseas. Each will have distinct advantages and disadvantages and I don't see any single player being able to dominate this space.

 

[Fennis]

iphone is a great consumer phone, and just to follow the article above. Apple for all its impact, just does not do enterprise well.

The iPhone has been in the enterprise market for all of 12 days. I'd say it's a bit premature to say they don't do it well.

Windows Mobile smart phones -- including the hot HTC Touch, the Samsung BlackJack, Motorola's Moto Q and 150 or so other models -- actually outshipped iPhones by a margin greater than 2 to 1 in the first quarter of 2008, according to Gartner Inc.

So Windows Mobile is on 150+ phones and they only beat iPhone 1.0 by 2 to 1? Yikes, no wonder Microsoft appears to be panicking.

I work in the industry and the iPhone is not tracking well in the Enterprise yet. Apple has started an Enterprise sales team but it's still early. A few companies have IT departments that are embracing it but it's not nearly on the same level as BlackBerry or Windows Mobile for security, applications, and device management. Big companies take a long time to make decisions about new products. This will take time and Apple has an uphill battle. The other problem is price. The iPhone is the most expensive 'subsidized' smartphone in the industry once you factor in all of the service costs. And it's only on AT&T in the US Market. International roaming costs are another headache. And end-to-end corporate application support just isn't there yet. But Apple is taking market share in the retail space. It's really quite amazing to observe what they have been able to do in the US with one product on a single carrier. Over time this demand will creep into the enterprise market and force IT departments to make decisions about supporting it. But remember that the competition is continually making better devices too. RIM is the current leader in the enterprise space and other players are stepping up. The HTC Touch Diamond is an absolutely killer phone. In my opinion this is the best Windows Mobile phone yet and is enterprise ready out of the box. Then you've got Samsung, LG, Motorola, Nokia, Palm, and others all making better devices too. Apple will not be able to dominate this space just like Microsoft has not been able to dominate it. Even RIM is starting to show some cracks. The fierce competition is always driving down margins and the U.S. wireless operators ultimately have too much control over the success of any product. And don't forget about the Google Android platform on the horizon. That will make this space even more interesting. You will see 4 major operating systems: Windows Mobile, BlackBerry, Apple, and Android (Linux based) that will compete for major market share in the US over the next couple of years. Nokia's Symbian platform will continue to be strong overseas. Each will have distinct advantages and disadvantages and I don't see any single player being able to dominate this space.

 

[Alias]

Android has the potential to be huge from what I have seen.

 

[Green94]

Still can't find the new one anywhere.

 

[adonis]

In the immortal words of James Brown, "Please, Please, Please" include copy/paste in the 2.1 firmware rev. I understand this is also the rev that is supposed to include the unified OS-level request broker (to allow apps to receive information silently from a server even when they're not running in the foreground). I think this was originally promised in a September timeframe.

Which, of course, would enable Instant Messaging, which indeed would make the iphone much better.Copy/Paste, turn by turn directions, and instant messaging capabilities, would go a long way towards soothing most of the criticisms. I'd be thrilled.

 

[flufhed]

I have a very remedial question, so please no one laugh at me.

But if you have an iphone, can you get wifi internet through the AT&T network, to surf the web wherever you have coverage, or do you have to have a separate internet subscription and a Wifi router?

Does that question even make sense?

Basically, if I have no internet at home, but have coverage on AT&T's network, can I surf the web on my iphone or not? If so, does the Iphone sync with a laptop, such that you can surf the internet on your laptop through the iphone.

and, no, I am not John McCain. Just a couple generations of tech behind.

 

[goonsquad]

I have a very remedial question, so please no one laugh at me.

But if you have an iphone, can you get wifi internet through the AT&T network, to surf the web wherever you have coverage, or do you have to have a separate internet subscription and a Wifi router?

Does that question even make sense?

Basically, if I have no internet at home, but have coverage on AT&T's network, can I surf the web on my iphone or not? If so, does the Iphone sync with a laptop, such that you can surf the internet on your laptop through the iphone.

and, no, I am not John McCain. Just a couple generations of tech behind.

Yes, you can surf the web through AT&T network on the iPhone from anywhere you have cell coverage. Just remember that even with 3G it still slower than DSL/cable connections. And no, you cannot use the iPhone as a cellular modem for your laptop.ETA: Ok, even though AT&T doesn't support using the iPhone as a cell modem, there is a hack that makes it possible. Might be difficult if you're not technically inclined, though. Link

 

[flufhed]

Yes, you can surf the web through AT&T network on the iPhone from anywhere you have cell coverage. Just remember that even with 3G it still slower than DSL/cable connections. And no, you cannot use the iPhone as a cellular modem for your laptop.

And no, you cannot use the iPhone as a cellular modem for your laptop.

 

[goonsquad]

Yes, you can surf the web through AT&T network on the iPhone from anywhere you have cell coverage. Just remember that even with 3G it still slower than DSL/cable connections. And no, you cannot use the iPhone as a cellular modem for your laptop.

And no, you cannot use the iPhone as a cellular modem for your laptop.

See my edit above.

 

[flufhed]

Another question:

My wife has "trip tunes" with her new Ford Mustang, which allows her to dock her ipod with her car stereo system and play the ipod through that. We have a similar thing with our home stereo. Will the iphone work with these? If not that could be a dealbreaker for me.

 

[The foo]

I have a very remedial question, so please no one laugh at me.But if you have an iphone, can you get wifi internet through the AT&T network, to surf the web wherever you have coverage, or do you have to have a separate internet subscription and a Wifi router?Does that question even make sense?Basically, if I have no internet at home, but have coverage on AT&T's network, can I surf the web on my iphone or not? If so, does the Iphone sync with a laptop, such that you can surf the internet on your laptop through the iphone.and, no, I am not John McCain. Just a couple generations of tech behind.

Not an iphone but you can get a 3g air card from ATT, that will fit in your modem. I use one and it works quite well.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

So I've got one on the way (the extra memory one or whatever)...

What I want to know is how to dismantle that obnoxious message at the end of every thing I send that says, "SENT BY MY iPHONE".

I paid for the phone, I'm paying for the communications. Why should they get free advertising to go along with it? I should get a penny every time they advertise on my messages, that's what I want.

Christ, I feel like a Nascar car.

And any general tips for a novice are a greatly appreciated.

 

[urbanhack]

So I've got one on the way (the extra memory one or whatever)...What I want to know is how to dismantle that obnoxious message at the end of every thing I send that says, "SENT BY MY iPHONE". I paid for the phone, I'm paying for the communications. Why should they get free advertising to go along with it? I should get a penny every time they advertise on my messages, that's what I want. Christ, I feel like a Nascar car.

You need a lube job?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

So I've got one on the way (the extra memory one or whatever)...What I want to know is how to dismantle that obnoxious message at the end of every thing I send that says, "SENT BY MY iPHONE". I paid for the phone, I'm paying for the communications. Why should they get free advertising to go along with it? I should get a penny every time they advertise on my messages, that's what I want. Christ, I feel like a Nascar car.

You need a lube job?

Nah, all I want is that van. God I love that van.

 

[rgabbard]

So I've got one on the way (the extra memory one or whatever)...What I want to know is how to dismantle that obnoxious message at the end of every thing I send that says, "SENT BY MY iPHONE". I paid for the phone, I'm paying for the communications. Why should they get free advertising to go along with it? I should get a penny every time they advertise on my messages, that's what I want. Christ, I feel like a Nascar car.And any general tips for a novice are a greatly appreciated.

Settings--->Mail, Contacts, Calenders--->scroll down to Signature You can change it from there

 

[Memphis Foundry]

For those of you who may not know -- there has been a huge stir going on in the last 24 hours about NetShare, an App Store app released by NullRiver which effectively allows you to "tether" your unjailbroken iPhone to your computer, allowing it to use your iPhone's connection to the internet. The app appeared on the iTunes app store last night but was available for only about 20 minutes before being pulled offline by Apple for reasons that are still not entirely clear.

The problem with the app is that AT&T's networking agreement prohibits tethering of the iPhone. And here's the *interesting* part -- in reality, the app is not a *true* tethering app as that would provide a raw internet connection to your PC, Mac, or *nix box. What NetShare really is, is a SOCKS5 proxy server. This means that it is not a native internet connection and only apps which support connectivity through a SOCKS5 proxy will be able to connect through the iPhone. Safari, for example, seems to work fine through NetShare while Firefox and other apps do not seem to be work as well.

Well, apparently, NullRiver has been successful in arguing with Apple that the application should be allowed to exist. So for now, NetShare is once again available on the iTunes App Store. I was able to purchase it a few minutes ago for $9.99, though some folks are reporting that they are seeing it show up in their App Store priced at $12.99.

I would suggest that if you ever might have an interest in using your iPhone as a mobile or emergency internet connection for your laptop, you may want to consider buying this app while it is still available. It's entirely possible it could disappear again. Or this "proxy" loophole could break down the door for other similar apps. Of course, it's also possible that Apple could revoke the app's right to run on the iPhone. Whatever happens, it's going to be an interesting ride. But it was worth 10 bucks to me to climb aboard.

Or, follow the story as it breaks here in the comments sections of the NetShare stories on the front page.

 

[HellToupee]

I would suggest that if you ever might have an interest in using your iPhone as a mobile or emergency internet connection for your laptop, you may want to consider buying this app while it is still available. It's entirely possible it could disappear again. :

Or, follow the story as it breaks here in the comments sections of the NetShare stories on the front page.

can AT&T detect if you are tethering a laptop?

 

[The Z Machine]

Hey all you tech geeks!

If anyone knows where I can get a developers kit with a 3-4" capacitive touchscreen, let me know, K THNX!

Oh and I don't want to take apart an iPhone.

 

[ren hoek]

I Really love the phone so far but there are a couple issues I have with it

1. with all the technology in this thing,how come I still can't send a picture text message? That really blows my mind.

1. Yeah, dunno what that's all about, maybe apple moving people towards using email instead of MMS, but who knows. Lots of people want this - i'm not one of them though. Email is free, works great, but I could see how some people prefer MMS which would be instant. If everyone had iphones though, sending pictures in email to phones would be instant too .

Not sure if the guy originally quoted has a phone with email attached to it or not, but if you do you can just send an email to TenDigitPhoneNumber@teleflip.com with an image attached, and they should receive it on their phone as if it were regular MMS. I'm not sure the service is free, but I'm pretty sure it only charges the same cost as if it were a regular text message, so if you have unlimited text messages I believe it's free. Love,

Sprint Tech Support Person

 

[Memphis Foundry]

I would suggest that if you ever might have an interest in using your iPhone as a mobile or emergency internet connection for your laptop, you may want to consider buying this app while it is still available. It's entirely possible it could disappear again. :

Or, follow the story as it breaks here in the comments sections of the NetShare stories on the front page.

can AT&T detect if you are tethering a laptop?

There's no real way for them to tell if you're using a SOCKS proxy -- the only way they could possibly tell is by the volume of data you transfer. There are rumors of a 5GB or 6GB "soft cap" on the "unlimited" iPhone data plan, but those are nothing more than rumors at this point.Now, actual tethering, if it were available, would probably be easier to detect but still not certain unless the tethering software were written by AT&T.

 

[Memphis Foundry]

UPDATE: NetShare is completely gone again from the US App Store. Hope you got it if you were interested as there has still been no explanation from anyone about the situation with this application. But now that it's gone a second time, it seems likely that it will stay gone until some sort of official ruling is made.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

UPDATE: NetShare is completely gone again from the US App Store. Hope you got it if you were interested as there has still been no explanation from anyone about the situation with this application. But now that it's gone a second time, it seems likely that it will stay gone until some sort of official ruling is made.

Damn, missed out, I think. :(Just got my phone, now what?Also got that jawbone ear thingy bag), a jell deal to cover the phone and some screen protection stuff.

 

[Ari Gold]

Has anyone tried using facebook chat with the iphone?

Waiting for my 16gb white iphone to come in

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

So I was fiddling around a bit, and I'm putting on this plastic protector thingy on the face of my new iPhone. And, remembering what the guy in the store told me, about using a flat edge to make sure there are no bubbles left, I take out a credit card and try to force a few air pockets out and stuff.

Well, it didn't turn out right, I end up ripping the plastic thing off in disgust and what's left is a damaged screen, with scratches and blemishes on it. I must have been pressing way too hard. ####!

So do I take it back? I did buy one of those extended AppleCare plans, maybe that will cover it. ### ####it.

 

[adonis]

I step away from my computer for a full day and look what I miss. A damn tethering program for my laptop. Guess I'm gonna have to jailbreak my phone to make this work.

I'll keep my eyes peeled, but I doubt another tethering option comes along.