The Birther Conspiracy Thread (3 Viewers)

[ArbyMelt]

Dennninger is freaking out about the inconsistencies in the document.

http://market-ticker.org/

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I know we are off the reservation here in Birtherland, but I would just like to point out that the criticism about him taking "so long" to produce this is stupid, given that he asked for a copy of his Birth certificate, got it, and produced that before being elected. It is only in Birtherland that this ever was an issue, and ever required "fixing." In other words, it was a special sort of person who was not inclined to believe the Hawaii Department of Health and Obama that his certificate of live birth (the thing all of us get when we need a copyy of our birth certificate) and require "more proof."

In other words, it was the liberals over at MSNBC.

 

[The Commish]

Are they questioning the birth certificate? No. Their coverage is 100% centered around exposing the idiots. Huge difference. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry.

Please keep posting.

Birth certificate on Drudge

The template- The right are Birthers ( left wing derogatory slang). They are extreme. Repeat as often as possible.

The story is about how the left plays the media to their tune. The left wing media likes the template so they oblige.

The right has given up on this non-starter issue a long time ago.

If the media was truly liberal, they would never have given it any coverage.

You missed the point in a big way.The media played the issue because it paints conservatives as extremist. So it does advance their liberal agenda.

The media played this to get ratings. EVERYONE watches the trainwrecks. It's human nature. Viewership =

 

[MasterofOrion]

Look at this video from CBS about 1' 50'' in. Most of the Republicans candidates running for President are saying this a non-issue. The issue is being pushed by the left as a way to smear Republicans.

From the same article.

Chip Reid points out, the release of the certificate was also on opportunity for the president to portray "those who push the issue as silly carnival barkers, while he's dealing with serious issues." (At left, Washington Unplugged analysis of the birth certificate

 

[urbanhack]

Dennninger is freaking out about the inconsistencies in the document.http://market-ticker.org/

Who is Denninger?

 

[The Commish]

Look at this video from CBS about 1' 50'' in. Most of the Republicans candidates running for President are saying this a non-issue. The issue is being pushed by the left as a way to smear Republicans.

From the same article.

Chip Reid points out, the release of the certificate was also on opportunity for the president to portray "those who push the issue as silly carnival barkers, while he's dealing with serious issues." (At left, Washington Unplugged analysis of the birth certificate

Of course it was......call a spade a spade. Had the whackos not made issue of it, the president wouldn't have been able to do what he did.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Look at this video from CBS about 1' 50'' in. Most of the Republicans candidates running for President are saying this a non-issue. The issue is being pushed by the left as a way to smear Republicans.

From the same article.

Chip Reid points out, the release of the certificate was also on opportunity for the president to portray "those who push the issue as silly carnival barkers, while he's dealing with serious issues." (At left, Washington Unplugged analysis of the birth certificate

Of course it was......call a spade a spade. Had the whackos not made issue of it, the president wouldn't have been able to do what he did.

which wacko's?Hillary supporters or all those in the Republican party?

BTW Romney, Bachmann, Barber and others have state flatly this is a non-issue.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

wacko's?

Really?

 

[Jewell]

Dennninger is freaking out about the inconsistencies in the document.http://market-ticker.org/

Who is Denninger?

I think he's that ump who blew the call against the Cards in the '85 Series.

 

[pantagrapher]

This is almost better than balloon boy.

I'm still not convinced there wasn't a boy in that balloon.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The funny thing is all the liberals who said that if the long form were ever released, it wouldn't matter because the birthers would just say it was fake.

Ridiculous. As if that would ever happen. Just one more example of the liberals trying to keep this thing going, while the birthers — as they have for the past several years — continue to keep quiet about it.

 

[Fennis]

SarahPalinUSASarah Palin

Media: admit it, Trump forced the issue. Now, don't let the WH distract you w/the birth crt from what Bernanke says today. Stay focused, eh?

7 hours ago

Christ I love this woman

 

[urbanhack]

is she Canadian?

 

[bigbottom]

is she Canadian?

Have we seen her real birth certificate?!?!?

 

[Statorama]

SarahPalinUSASarah Palin Media: admit it, Trump forced the issue. Now, don't let the WH distract you w/the birth crt from what Bernanke says today. Stay focused, eh?

Excuse me stewardess, I speak jive

 

[flufhed]

Wait, so the spin now is that we made this an issue?



If by that we mean we gave you guys stinky bait, and you swallowed it and ran with it, then I agree.

 

[Statorama]

Developing...

I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. According to the web site the name didn't change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children's Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn't created until 1978?

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Developing...

I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. According to the web site the name didn't change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children's Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn't created until 1978?

omgomogomgomgomg

 

[Statorama]

I'm not going to say that the information on the document is bogus, but I can definitely, without hesitation, say that the document was originally a two-layer piece.The top layer is the 'black' part that came from a scanner as a grayscale scan. It was converted to black and white and the white part was made transparent.That was dropped onto of a generic green watermark background, which is what makes it look official. But that was NOT on the original document as scanned. This is very evident by the white haloing around everything black.It is also extremely evident that a layer was dropped onto the green background because the green marks are very crisp in the areas around the edges of the image, but are very blurred where the black image block covers it.Now keep in mind that before the green background was added, the original scan could have easily been altered.. dates or names changed. I'm not saying it was. I'm just saying it's a 100% fact that it could have been.So, this document as we see it is still not proof of anything. I could easily recreate this document with someone else's original Hawaii birth certificate and a generic watermark background.

 

[culdeus]

Developing...

I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. According to the web site the name didn't change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children's Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn't created until 1978?

THIS IS HUGE

 

[Statorama]

Developing...

I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. According to the web site the name didn't change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children's Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn't created until 1978?

omgomogomgomgomg

That was an incredibly lucky prediction by whoever filled out this form in "1961"

 

[bigbottom]

Here's the link for all of Stat's updates:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding

 

[bigbottom]

Developing...

I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. According to the web site the name didn't change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children's Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn't created until 1978?

omgomogomgomgomg

That was an incredibly lucky prediction by whoever filled out this form in "1961"

If only the quoted recitation were accurate. It's not.

This is the story of two hospitals: Kauikeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi‘olani Maternity Home.

Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii's mothers, Queen Kapi‘olani held luau and bazaars to raise the $8,000 needed to open Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1890. She endowed her legacy with “Kulia i ka nu‘u” or “Strive for the highest.”

In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children's hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox's gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital opened.

The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii's women, children and adolescents.

 

[matuski]

The funny thing is all the liberals who said that if the long form were ever released, it wouldn't matter because the birthers would just say it was fake.

Ridiculous. As if that would ever happen. Just one more example of the liberals trying to keep this thing going, while the birthers — as they have for the past several years — continue to keep quiet about it.

Damnit I abandoned the FFA today thinking you guys had chased off golddigger. My mistake, and I see Statorama has jumped back off the deep end again.

 

[matuski]

I know we are off the reservation here in Birtherland, but I would just like to point out that the criticism about him taking "so long" to produce this is stupid, given that he asked for a copy of his Birth certificate, got it, and produced that before being elected. It is only in Birtherland that this ever was an issue, and ever required "fixing." In other words, it was a special sort of person who was not inclined to believe the Hawaii Department of Health and Obama that his certificate of live birth (the thing all of us get when we need a copyy of our birth certificate) and require "more proof."In short, you guys really are embarassing yourselves.

This. Sometimes one has to know when to just shut up instead of digging the hole deeper (or beginning to dig a new hole and insisting it was the hole you were digging the entire time).

You both need to know when to shut up and watch them dig.

 

[bueno]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth? Seems like unnecessary duplication to me/

And have the tin foil hat crowd determined whether they believe it is authentic?

And can we fix the FEC form so this doesn't happen anymore?

And is Obama really under investigation for election fraud?

I can't keep up.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Developing...

I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. According to the web site the name didn't change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children's Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn't created until 1978?

omgomogomgomgomg

That was an incredibly lucky prediction by whoever filled out this form in "1961"

If only the quoted recitation were accurate. It's not.

This is the story of two hospitals: Kauikeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi‘olani Maternity Home.

Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii's mothers, Queen Kapi‘olani held luau and bazaars to raise the $8,000 needed to open Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1890. She endowed her legacy with “Kulia i ka nu‘u” or “Strive for the highest.”

In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children's hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox's gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital opened.

The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii's women, children and adolescents.

Everything up to this point has been a side show...now we get to the main event as we pick this apart pixel by pixel.

 

[The Commish]

Look at this video from CBS about 1' 50'' in. Most of the Republicans candidates running for President are saying this a non-issue. The issue is being pushed by the left as a way to smear Republicans.

From the same article.

Chip Reid points out, the release of the certificate was also on opportunity for the president to portray "those who push the issue as silly carnival barkers, while he's dealing with serious issues." (At left, Washington Unplugged analysis of the birth certificate

Of course it was......call a spade a spade. Had the whackos not made issue of it, the president wouldn't have been able to do what he did.

which wacko's?Hillary supporters or all those in the Republican party?

BTW Romney, Bachmann, Barber and others have state flatly this is a non-issue.

The ones that made it a much bigger deal than it really was. It's really not that hard to follow here.

 

[Steve Tasker]

As an American, I'm embarrassed that it's come to this.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

In golddigger's defense, Chris Matthews is actually obsessed with this issue.

 

[bueno]

As an American, I'm embarrassed that it's come to this.

I was embarrassed that he got elected too. Shows that you can fool most of the people at least once.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth? Seems like unnecessary duplication to me/

The COLB that Obama released two years ago is the standard thing you get when you request your birth certificate. The COLB released today is a copy of the original document on file that belongs to the State of Hawaii.The state can't exactly give away the original record.

 

[bueno]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth? Seems like unnecessary duplication to me/

The COLB that Obama released two years ago is the standard thing you get when you request your birth certificate. The COLB released today is a copy of the original document on file that belongs to the State of Hawaii.The state can't exactly give away the original record.

When I need a copy of my birth certificate from the state of Connecticut, they send me a copy of my birth certificate. Why does any state need two documents? Even Mexico knows how to issue certified copies. Why doesn't Hawaii?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Statler: That act was full of layers.

Waldorf: Huh? What?

Statler: Layers, full of layers!

Waldorf: Layers what?

Statler: Hidden meanings.

Waldorf: What were they hiding?

Statler: Talent!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth? Seems like unnecessary duplication to me/

The COLB that Obama released two years ago is the standard thing you get when you request your birth certificate. The COLB released today is a copy of the original document on file that belongs to the State of Hawaii.The state can't exactly give away the original record.

When I need a copy of my birth certificate from the state of Connecticut, they send me a copy of my birth certificate. Why does any state need two documents? Even Mexico knows how to issue certified copies. Why doesn't Hawaii?

Hawaii doesn't have two documents. It has one: the one Obama released a few years ago.The document he released today is not for copying or releasing. It's the original that is kept in a bound volume at the Department of Health. The Department of Health generally does not send out copies of that document. (It used to; but its policy changed at some point.) But that's what the birthers kept clamoring for, so an exception was made for Obama, seeing as he's the President and all.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Certificates for twins born the day after Obama have an earlier Certificate number

The Certificate number on Obama's document is 61 10641 Dated Aug. 4, 1961 But on the birth certificate of someone born the next day (Aug. 5 1961) it's 61 10637

Why are the birth certificate document numbers out of order?

Developing...

I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. According to the web site the name didn't change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children's Hospital merged with Kapi'olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn't created until 1978?

You should try to keep your conspiracies from contradicting each other. The birth certificates linked in the top post both say "Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth?

Short answer: it's because of the crazies.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth? Seems like unnecessary duplication to me/

The COLB that Obama released two years ago is the standard thing you get when you request your birth certificate. The COLB released today is a copy of the original document on file that belongs to the State of Hawaii.The state can't exactly give away the original record.

When I need a copy of my birth certificate from the state of Connecticut, they send me a copy of my birth certificate. Why does any state need two documents? Even Mexico knows how to issue certified copies. Why doesn't Hawaii?

PA is like Hawaii. I thunk lots if states release a certification and not your actual birth certificate. People that have an actual birth certificate copy just kept it in a safe place.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth? Seems like unnecessary duplication to me/

The COLB that Obama released two years ago is the standard thing you get when you request your birth certificate. The COLB released today is a copy of the original document on file that belongs to the State of Hawaii.The state can't exactly give away the original record.

When I need a copy of my birth certificate from the state of Connecticut, they send me a copy of my birth certificate. Why does any state need two documents? Even Mexico knows how to issue certified copies. Why doesn't Hawaii?

Ohio does the same thing as Hawaii. Took me about 4 minutes to get mine printed out and stamped as a certified, legal document...the same type of thing that Obama released two years ago. Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth? Seems like unnecessary duplication to me/

The COLB that Obama released two years ago is the standard thing you get when you request your birth certificate. The COLB released today is a copy of the original document on file that belongs to the State of Hawaii.The state can't exactly give away the original record.

When I need a copy of my birth certificate from the state of Connecticut, they send me a copy of my birth certificate. Why does any state need two documents? Even Mexico knows how to issue certified copies. Why doesn't Hawaii?

Hawaii doesn't have two documents. It has one: the one Obama released a few years ago.The document he released today is not for copying or releasing. It's the original that is kept in a bound volume at the Department of Health. The Department of Health generally does not send out copies of that document. (It used to; but its policy changed at some point.) But that's what the birthers kept clamoring for, so an exception was made for Obama, seeing as he's the President and all.

So what you're saying is that he is above the law and doesn't have to abide by the same rules as the rest of us? When did we burn the Constitution? Or was this forgery printed on the back of it as some kind of joke?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

PA is like Hawaii. I thunk lots if states release a certification and not your actual birth certificate. People that have an actual birth certificate copy just kept it in a safe place.

Yes, when you request a birth certificate, what you get is a fresh printout of the information that is on file. The information was taken from the original birth certificate and entered into a computer. But when the state sends you a birth certificate, it doesn't go back and make a copy from the original. It uses the information on file to generate a fresh printout.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth? Seems like unnecessary duplication to me/

The COLB that Obama released two years ago is the standard thing you get when you request your birth certificate. The COLB released today is a copy of the original document on file that belongs to the State of Hawaii.The state can't exactly give away the original record.

When I need a copy of my birth certificate from the state of Connecticut, they send me a copy of my birth certificate. Why does any state need two documents? Even Mexico knows how to issue certified copies. Why doesn't Hawaii?

Hawaii doesn't have two documents. It has one: the one Obama released a few years ago.The document he released today is not for copying or releasing. It's the original that is kept in a bound volume at the Department of Health. The Department of Health generally does not send out copies of that document. (It used to; but its policy changed at some point.) But that's what the birthers kept clamoring for, so an exception was made for Obama, seeing as he's the President and all.

So what you're saying is that he is above the law and doesn't have to abide by the same rules as the rest of us?

Yes. Or more specifically, he is above the normal agency policies practiced by the Hawaii Department of Health.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

PA is like Hawaii. I thunk lots if states release a certification and not your actual birth certificate. People that have an actual birth certificate copy just kept it in a safe place.

Yes, when you request a birth certificate, what you get is a fresh printout of the information that is on file. The information was taken from the original birth certificate and entered into a computer. But when the state sends you a birth certificate, it doesn't go back and make a copy from the original. It uses the information on file to generate a fresh printout.

Unless, as we have seen, you are above the law. And let's face it, with Hawaii being the 57th state it was the last one in. Obviously, Obama planned that somehow to get to this point and complete the act. But to what end?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

PA is like Hawaii. I thunk lots if states release a certification and not your actual birth certificate. People that have an actual birth certificate copy just kept it in a safe place.

Yes, when you request a birth certificate, what you get is a fresh printout of the information that is on file. The information was taken from the original birth certificate and entered into a computer. But when the state sends you a birth certificate, it doesn't go back and make a copy from the original. It uses the information on file to generate a fresh printout.

I think bueno is saying we should be more like Mexico.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

PA is like Hawaii. I thunk lots if states release a certification and not your actual birth certificate. People that have an actual birth certificate copy just kept it in a safe place.

Yes, when you request a birth certificate, what you get is a fresh printout of the information that is on file. The information was taken from the original birth certificate and entered into a computer. But when the state sends you a birth certificate, it doesn't go back and make a copy from the original. It uses the information on file to generate a fresh printout.

Unless, as we have seen, you are above the law. And let's face it, with Hawaii being the 57th state it was the last one in. Obviously, Obama planned that somehow to get to this point and complete the act. But to what end?

Sharia Law down?

 

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Jesus I feel dumber for having participated in this thread. Checking out. You guys enjoy your tinfoil hats and blinders.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Has anyone explained why a state needs to issue a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth? Seems like unnecessary duplication to me/

The COLB that Obama released two years ago is the standard thing you get when you request your birth certificate. The COLB released today is a copy of the original document on file that belongs to the State of Hawaii.The state can't exactly give away the original record.

When I need a copy of my birth certificate from the state of Connecticut, they send me a copy of my birth certificate. Why does any state need two documents? Even Mexico knows how to issue certified copies. Why doesn't Hawaii?

Hawaii doesn't have two documents. It has one: the one Obama released a few years ago.The document he released today is not for copying or releasing. It's the original that is kept in a bound volume at the Department of Health. The Department of Health generally does not send out copies of that document. (It used to; but its policy changed at some point.) But that's what the birthers kept clamoring for, so an exception was made for Obama, seeing as he's the President and all.

So what you're saying is that he is above the law and doesn't have to abide by the same rules as the rest of us?

Yes. Or more specifically, he is above the normal agency policies practiced by the Hawaii Department of Health.

So, just to recap:He's a muslim.Possibly the anti-ChristSocialistWhite Sox fanWants Congress to force a playoff system in college football.Wasn't born in any part of this country that he can prove.And like the X-Files ultimate story-line, he got a state health department (instead of FEMA) to begin altering their policies based on any whim of his, laws be damned.Yup, that pretty much chalks it up. When the alien-Hitler-Tom Cruise-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster whearing the black guy suit finally comes out, well, we were warned.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Stat is just a schtick right?

No, he's for real. He falls back on the it's just shtick thing once he makes a complete fool of himself.

 

[Christo]

White Sox fan

Hey, now!

 

[pantagrapher]

I remember when we were shooting for 30 pages.