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The Dez Bryant Pro Day Watch Thread (1 Viewer)

Is MJD optimal weight? Is Chris Johnson optimal weight? Dwayne Bowe seems to get around OK. How does Vernon Davis manage at about an inch taller and 250 pounds? Roddy White is an inch and a half shorter and only about ten pounds lighter. I guess he's too overweight to be effective? Anquan Boldin (really the best comparison for Bryant's game) is shorter and within 7 pounds. Uh-oh, somebody should tell him he's too heavy to play wide receiver.

The guy is thicker than your average star receiver. There is no doubt about that. But if he can propel that 224 pounds over 11 feet from a dead stop, I'm not sure I'm too concerned about that aspect. Maybe he IS a little heavier than optimal. But what I object to is your apparent CERTAINTY that he can't be effective with his current body shape.
I'm glad you bring up these particular guys. For one, V.Davis is a guy who is a workout demon. Add to this that he watches his diet very strictly, and I can absolutlely guarantee that his body fat % is lower than Dez Bryant's. Second player (Boldin), isn't this guy always pulling a hammy or quad, missing a few games each and every season? And I believe he sure could stand to add some quickness. So yeah, he probably is carrying a few too many lbs. And just maybe, have you given thought that MJD may not be at his ideal weight? Even though highly productive as it stands, I believe he will soon experiment with coming in at different weights to find out if he is at optimum size. All the great ones do, experiment that is. Yes, I understand this. If you do not, don't hate me for my understanding. It's actually not that difficult a concept to understand. Muscle mass added the correct way does improve explosion, but it's best when put on in an optimum fashion.....There is a science to this, really. See Usain Bolt - lean muscle mass body type equating to cheetah like speed/explosion yielding optimum performance.

 
Is MJD optimal weight? Is Chris Johnson optimal weight? Dwayne Bowe seems to get around OK. How does Vernon Davis manage at about an inch taller and 250 pounds? Roddy White is an inch and a half shorter and only about ten pounds lighter. I guess he's too overweight to be effective? Anquan Boldin (really the best comparison for Bryant's game) is shorter and within 7 pounds. Uh-oh, somebody should tell him he's too heavy to play wide receiver.

The guy is thicker than your average star receiver. There is no doubt about that. But if he can propel that 224 pounds over 11 feet from a dead stop, I'm not sure I'm too concerned about that aspect. Maybe he IS a little heavier than optimal. But what I object to is your apparent CERTAINTY that he can't be effective with his current body shape.
I'm glad you bring up these particular guys. For one, V.Davis is a guy who is a workout demon. Add to this that he watches his diet very strictly, and I can absolutlely guarantee that his body fat % is lower than Dez Bryant's. Second player (Boldin), isn't this guy always pulling a hammy or quad, missing a few games each and every season? And I believe he sure could stand to add some quickness. So yeah, he probably is carrying a few too many lbs. And just maybe, have you given thought that MJD may not be at his ideal weight? Even though highly productive as it stands, I believe he will soon experiment with coming in at different weights to find out if he is at optimum size. All the great ones do, experiment that is. Yes, I understand this. If you do not, don't hate me for my understanding. It's actually not that difficult a concept to understand. Muscle mass added the correct way does improve explosion, but it's best when put on in an optimum fashion.....There is a science to this, really. See Usain Bolt - lean muscle mass body type equating to cheetah like speed/explosion yielding optimum performance.
so now you're saying usain bolt would be a good football player? patrick willis hits him once and he gets broken in half... added weight, the right way, like bryant, increases durability. where do you see any fat on him? maybe im missing something
 
This weight talk is ridiculous.

Dez is an elite talent and overall athlete....period. It's his drive for excellence and maturity which will determine whether he's a Pro Bowler or just an average WR.

NOTHING to do whatsoever if he weighs 226lbs or 219lbs, or if he forgets his cleats every game.

 
Is MJD optimal weight? Is Chris Johnson optimal weight? Dwayne Bowe seems to get around OK. How does Vernon Davis manage at about an inch taller and 250 pounds? Roddy White is an inch and a half shorter and only about ten pounds lighter. I guess he's too overweight to be effective? Anquan Boldin (really the best comparison for Bryant's game) is shorter and within 7 pounds. Uh-oh, somebody should tell him he's too heavy to play wide receiver.

The guy is thicker than your average star receiver. There is no doubt about that. But if he can propel that 224 pounds over 11 feet from a dead stop, I'm not sure I'm too concerned about that aspect. Maybe he IS a little heavier than optimal. But what I object to is your apparent CERTAINTY that he can't be effective with his current body shape.
I'm glad you bring up these particular guys. For one, V.Davis is a guy who is a workout demon. Add to this that he watches his diet very strictly, and I can absolutlely guarantee that his body fat % is lower than Dez Bryant's. Second player (Boldin), isn't this guy always pulling a hammy or quad, missing a few games each and every season? And I believe he sure could stand to add some quickness. So yeah, he probably is carrying a few too many lbs. And just maybe, have you given thought that MJD may not be at his ideal weight? Even though highly productive as it stands, I believe he will soon experiment with coming in at different weights to find out if he is at optimum size. All the great ones do, experiment that is. Yes, I understand this. If you do not, don't hate me for my understanding. It's actually not that difficult a concept to understand. Muscle mass added the correct way does improve explosion, but it's best when put on in an optimum fashion.....There is a science to this, really. See Usain Bolt - lean muscle mass body type equating to cheetah like speed/explosion yielding optimum performance.
so now you're saying usain bolt would be a good football player? patrick willis hits him once and he gets broken in half... added weight, the right way, like bryant, increases durability. where do you see any fat on him? maybe im missing something
Bryant wasn't even close to fat or out of shape, he looked like he was about 10% body fat.. he had nice clear muscle definition and had a strong solid build. That 225 was a solid 225

 
This weight talk is ridiculous.Dez is an elite talent and overall athlete....period. It's his drive for excellence and maturity which will determine whether he's a Pro Bowler or just an average WR. NOTHING to do whatsoever if he weighs 226lbs or 219lbs, or if he forgets his cleats every game.
:shrug: /thread
 
its not like dozens of names pop immediately to mind as examples of players that reportedly quit in multiple pro day drills, and went on to have illustrious careers (that of course doesn't mean it isn't possible).

i doubt bryant advocates are saying it is a good thing... i suppose the debate is over how bad it is... with the advocates saying not that bad (if they broach the subject at all).

i haven't heard anybody attempt an explanation for why he quit a few times? if he was injured, he should have said so (though cynics might have interpreted this was a pre-emptive ruse to mask laziness?) if that wasn't his case, with so many questions about his character, competiveness, maturity and professionalism... instead of availing himself of a golden opportunity to decisively answer them and silence critics (as much as is possible in this restricted kind of venue), he instead effectively exacerbated them, fueling further doubts...

what was he thinking?

he had nearly a year to prepare? how hard is it to apply your self for a few more seconds and run through the drills?

* bryant is a freakish physical specimen and athletic prodigy with potentially elite talent and skills (pretty much everything but moss/dre johnson-like deep speed)... aspects of his workout may have damaged his credibility and led to self-inflicted criticism & questions... is he so good, that he can easily surmount a potentially less than sterling work ethic?

 
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Mike Williams 2.0

Big? Check

Great Hands? Check

Body Control? Check

Sat out a year? Check

Questionable Character? Check

Slooooow? Check

Mirror images of each other. Watch film of Mike Williams from college, it's the same as Dez Bryants.

Good luck to whatever team drafts this epic bust prospect.
:wall: Not even close from a talent perspective.

4.4 would've been nice, but 4.5 is fine given his build and playing style. He was never known as a burner.
You're looking at it in retrospect.Mike Williams was thought of as every bit the talent Dez is now back in 2004, that is why he got drafted in the top 10 even after sitting a year.

:hot: at those who think Dez is some once in a lifetime talent. He's a knucklehead without a good work ethic who has marginal measurables.
No. Mike Williams was always slow. He was so slow that teams were talking about converting him to TE before he was even drafted. He was a big, plodding runner who used brute strength to overpower inferior competition at the college level. He was not a great pro prospect despite what the Lions thought.I don't think anyone has said Dez is a once in a lifetime talent. Most people agree that he's one of the top 1-2 WRs in this draft. I'm certainly on board with that thinking and I like him more than recent top ten picks like Braylon Edwards and Roy Williams at the same stage of their careers. He has plenty of talent to be successful in the NFL if he works hard.

Regarding the work ethic stuff, it's hard to tell the smoke from the fire at this point. This is the time of year when character issues mysteriously crop up about every top player in the draft. At this time last year everyone was chirping about Crabtree's lack of character/speed while saying Harvin was a cancer who couldn't handle the pressures of the NFL.

If Dez works hard, he will be a solid top 10-15 dynasty WR. I don't know if he's going to work hard, but I do know that he has difference-maker talent, which is more than can be said for all but 2-3 other rookies in this draft class.
OK. I don't think Bryant is the next Mike Williams, but Williams was a great pro prospect in many, many people's eyes.It's as silly to pretend Williams wasn't highly regarded as it is to claim that Bryant will certainly be the next Mike Williams. You're simply arguing the other side of a fail coin.

If Mike Williams had worked hard, he'd have been a great NFL WR too. So what specifically convinces you that Bryant is more likely to work his ### off in the NFL than Mike Williams appeared when he was in college?

 
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Is MJD optimal weight? Is Chris Johnson optimal weight? Dwayne Bowe seems to get around OK. How does Vernon Davis manage at about an inch taller and 250 pounds? Roddy White is an inch and a half shorter and only about ten pounds lighter. I guess he's too overweight to be effective? Anquan Boldin (really the best comparison for Bryant's game) is shorter and within 7 pounds. Uh-oh, somebody should tell him he's too heavy to play wide receiver.

The guy is thicker than your average star receiver. There is no doubt about that. But if he can propel that 224 pounds over 11 feet from a dead stop, I'm not sure I'm too concerned about that aspect. Maybe he IS a little heavier than optimal. But what I object to is your apparent CERTAINTY that he can't be effective with his current body shape.
I'm glad you bring up these particular guys. For one, V.Davis is a guy who is a workout demon. Add to this that he watches his diet very strictly, and I can absolutlely guarantee that his body fat % is lower than Dez Bryant's. Second player (Boldin), isn't this guy always pulling a hammy or quad, missing a few games each and every season? And I believe he sure could stand to add some quickness. So yeah, he probably is carrying a few too many lbs. And just maybe, have you given thought that MJD may not be at his ideal weight? Even though highly productive as it stands, I believe he will soon experiment with coming in at different weights to find out if he is at optimum size. All the great ones do, experiment that is. Yes, I understand this. If you do not, don't hate me for my understanding. It's actually not that difficult a concept to understand. Muscle mass added the correct way does improve explosion, but it's best when put on in an optimum fashion.....There is a science to this, really. See Usain Bolt - lean muscle mass body type equating to cheetah like speed/explosion yielding optimum performance.
so now you're saying usain bolt would be a good football player? patrick willis hits him once and he gets broken in half... added weight, the right way, like bryant, increases durability. where do you see any fat on him? maybe im missing something
Link, please.
 
If Mike Williams had worked hard, he'd have been a great NFL WR too.
I don't agree with that statement. I don't think he was going to be a great pro either way.Why do I like Dez more? He's much quicker, faster, and more explosive. They are not the same player by any means.
 
I haven't seen this posted yet:

Bryant: Pre-draft criticism has `gone too far'

This is my favorite part:

"Whoever passes up on me, it's over with. I feel like I'm going through the same situation Randy Moss did," he added. "That man had issues and teams were passing up on him, and when he got on that field, he killed them. He murdered them. Look at him today: One of the best players in the NFL."
Go Dez
calling other teams stupid for having legit maturity, character and judgement concerns raised by his quitting in drills is a sure way to signal to front offices and prospective future employers that he has pulled his personal thing together, and is capable of looking in the mirror and taking greater responsibility going forward. :lmao:
 
Switching gears here since my views on the size/weight performance metric are what they are ..........

Conspiracy Theory:

Dallas Cowboys (I.e., Jerry Jones approved) and their 'partners' convince Dez to semi-flop his pro day to fall somewhat in the draft in order for the 'Boys to be within range of acquiring him (either via a move up a few picks or other). How is this appealing to Dez since he would then be risking losing major guaranteed $$$?

Well, first and foremost, he is a local product (from Texas, not sure if its Dallas or not) and I'm sure hed love to play for the Cowboys. Second, the Deion connection with the Cowboys and (local) Dallas community, with Deion being a big influence in his life. This particular point should not be overlooked.

As far as conspiracy theories go, I don't buy into them, and this is pure speculation on my part..........But????

 
Is MJD optimal weight? Is Chris Johnson optimal weight? Dwayne Bowe seems to get around OK. How does Vernon Davis manage at about an inch taller and 250 pounds? Roddy White is an inch and a half shorter and only about ten pounds lighter. I guess he's too overweight to be effective? Anquan Boldin (really the best comparison for Bryant's game) is shorter and within 7 pounds. Uh-oh, somebody should tell him he's too heavy to play wide receiver.

The guy is thicker than your average star receiver. There is no doubt about that. But if he can propel that 224 pounds over 11 feet from a dead stop, I'm not sure I'm too concerned about that aspect. Maybe he IS a little heavier than optimal. But what I object to is your apparent CERTAINTY that he can't be effective with his current body shape.
I'm glad you bring up these particular guys. For one, V.Davis is a guy who is a workout demon. Add to this that he watches his diet very strictly, and I can absolutlely guarantee that his body fat % is lower than Dez Bryant's. Second player (Boldin), isn't this guy always pulling a hammy or quad, missing a few games each and every season? And I believe he sure could stand to add some quickness. So yeah, he probably is carrying a few too many lbs. And just maybe, have you given thought that MJD may not be at his ideal weight? Even though highly productive as it stands, I believe he will soon experiment with coming in at different weights to find out if he is at optimum size. All the great ones do, experiment that is. Yes, I understand this. If you do not, don't hate me for my understanding. It's actually not that difficult a concept to understand. Muscle mass added the correct way does improve explosion, but it's best when put on in an optimum fashion.....There is a science to this, really. See Usain Bolt - lean muscle mass body type equating to cheetah like speed/explosion yielding optimum performance.
so now you're saying usain bolt would be a good football player? patrick willis hits him once and he gets broken in half... added weight, the right way, like bryant, increases durability. where do you see any fat on him? maybe im missing something
Bryant wasn't even close to fat or out of shape, he looked like he was about 10% body fat.. he had nice clear muscle definition and had a strong solid build. That 225 was a solid 225
You, as well as others, do realze that there is a cardio/stamina component to being in shape, heh? So yeah, he was certainly not in top condition. When you hear the word "conditioning" or "condition", associate cardio along with physique, aiiiiiiight! He certainly has the physique, but he presently lacks the cardio, which can manifest itself in quickness and speed.

Yep, debate can often be a good thing.........

BTW, was it reported that Dez was playing at around 212 to 215, certainly not in the 225 lb range, when he lit up the collegiate ranks back in '08? I believe this has been reported to be factual.........

 
Agreed with the "it all depends on where he lands" crowd. I don't see a superstar WR in this class, but if Benn or Bryant end up in a great system, and I think both have a shot being 15-30th overall pick types, one or two of them will have a bunch of pro-bowls in his future. Still like Benn more than any other WR, he was killed by Juice Williams, stat-wise, and I think he is Anquan Boldin(hopefully a healthy version) all over again.

 
I haven't seen this posted yet:

Bryant: Pre-draft criticism has `gone too far'

This is my favorite part:

"Whoever passes up on me, it's over with. I feel like I'm going through the same situation Randy Moss did," he added. "That man had issues and teams were passing up on him, and when he got on that field, he killed them. He murdered them. Look at him today: One of the best players in the NFL."
Go Dez
calling other teams stupid for having legit maturity, character and judgement concerns raised by his quitting in drills is a sure way to signal to front offices and prospective future employers that he has pulled his personal thing together, and is capable of looking in the mirror and taking greater responsibility going forward. :yes:
How is that different from Peyton saying to the Colts "If you don't take me, I am going to kick your butt for the next 15 years"? He didn't make excuses. He said that he needs to improve in some areas. Is he immature? Yes. You have most of the media saying that he blew his chance to go high in the draft. How would you feel if you were him?

The good news for Dez is that some smart team scout will realize that the drills he blew are almost totally irrelavant to playing wide receiver in the NFL.

 
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I haven't seen this posted yet:

Bryant: Pre-draft criticism has `gone too far'

This is my favorite part:

"Whoever passes up on me, it's over with. I feel like I'm going through the same situation Randy Moss did," he added. "That man had issues and teams were passing up on him, and when he got on that field, he killed them. He murdered them. Look at him today: One of the best players in the NFL."
Go Dez
calling other teams stupid for having legit maturity, character and judgement concerns raised by his quitting in drills is a sure way to signal to front offices and prospective future employers that he has pulled his personal thing together, and is capable of looking in the mirror and taking greater responsibility going forward. :hey:
At what point in that article did he call anyone stupid?
 
I haven't seen this posted yet:

Bryant: Pre-draft criticism has `gone too far'

This is my favorite part:

"Whoever passes up on me, it's over with. I feel like I'm going through the same situation Randy Moss did," he added. "That man had issues and teams were passing up on him, and when he got on that field, he killed them. He murdered them. Look at him today: One of the best players in the NFL."
Go Dez
calling other teams stupid for having legit maturity, character and judgement concerns raised by his quitting in drills is a sure way to signal to front offices and prospective future employers that he has pulled his personal thing together, and is capable of looking in the mirror and taking greater responsibility going forward. :popcorn:
How is that different from Peyton saying to the Colts "If you don't take me, I am going to kick your butt for the next 15 years"? He didn't make excuses. He said that he needs to improve in some areas. Is he immature? Yes. You have most of the media saying that he blew his chance to go high in the draft. How would you feel if you were him?

The good news for Dez is that some smart team scout will realize that the drills he blew are almost totally irrelavant to playing wide receiver in the NFL.
one difference is that, imo, it was more appropriate for manning to be cocky and have athletic arrogance...he didn't shoot himself in the foot, and cause himself to potentially drop in the draft by quitting on drills, or raising questions about his maturity, professionalism, character & judgement...

in bryant's case, if there is a problem with his perception, he needs to be accountable for it... he sounds like a whiner when he complains about how things have gone too far... he lied to the ncaa and got suspended for most of a season... he didn't work out at the combine... he was responsible for weight fluctuations... he quit on some drills... he wasn't prepared for something as basic as cone drills, in what amounted to the biggest interview of his life... after having many months to prepare for it...

if he has an explanation for why he quit on some drills, i haven't seen/heard it... if he has somewhere, a link would be appreciated...

if you were evaluating prospects, IN GENERAL, would you think it was a good or a bad thing if they quit on drills during their pro day? would it make you feel BETTER handing over millions of dollars to player who isn't even diligent enough to prepare right for the biggest interview of his life...

if bradford had quit throwing after a few passes because his arm had an ouchie, do you think it might have impacted on his perception around the league.

how would i feel... i'd feel i should have prepared better, and if i dropped in the draft, it was my fault.

 
Bob Magaw said:
Donnybrook said:
Bob Magaw said:
I haven't seen this posted yet:

Bryant: Pre-draft criticism has `gone too far'

This is my favorite part:

"Whoever passes up on me, it's over with. I feel like I'm going through the same situation Randy Moss did," he added. "That man had issues and teams were passing up on him, and when he got on that field, he killed them. He murdered them. Look at him today: One of the best players in the NFL."
Go Dez
calling other teams stupid for having legit maturity, character and judgement concerns raised by his quitting in drills is a sure way to signal to front offices and prospective future employers that he has pulled his personal thing together, and is capable of looking in the mirror and taking greater responsibility going forward. :)
How is that different from Peyton saying to the Colts "If you don't take me, I am going to kick your butt for the next 15 years"? He didn't make excuses. He said that he needs to improve in some areas. Is he immature? Yes. You have most of the media saying that he blew his chance to go high in the draft. How would you feel if you were him?

The good news for Dez is that some smart team scout will realize that the drills he blew are almost totally irrelavant to playing wide receiver in the NFL.
one difference is that, imo, it was more appropriate for manning to be cocky and have athletic arrogance...he didn't shoot himself in the foot, and cause himself to potentially drop in the draft by quitting on drills, or raising questions about his maturity, professionalism, character & judgement...

in bryant's case, if there is a problem with his perception, he needs to be accountable for it... he sounds like a whiner when he complains about how things have gone too far... he lied to the ncaa and got suspended for most of a season... he didn't work out at the combine... he was responsible for weight fluctuations... he quit on some drills... he wasn't prepared for something as basic as cone drills, in what amounted to the biggest interview of his life... after having many months to prepare for it...

if he has an explanation for why he quit on some drills, i haven't seen/heard it... if he has somewhere, a link would be appreciated...

if you were evaluating prospects, IN GENERAL, would you think it was a good or a bad thing if they quit on drills during their pro day? would it make you feel BETTER handing over millions of dollars to player who isn't even diligent enough to prepare right for the biggest interview of his life...

if bradford had quit throwing after a few passes because his arm had an ouchie, do you think it might have impacted on his perception around the league.

how would i feel... i'd feel i should have prepared better, and if i dropped in the draft, it was my fault.
What you call arrogance, some would call confidence in his ability. I know that I have some sympathy for him because I believe the main difference between Bryant and a player like Reggie Bush is that Bryant got caught.

You question his character. I don’t know him. Do you? Zac Robinson and Russell Okung describe him as great team-mate.

“He didn't work out at the combine”. Obviously, you don’t believe Bryant had a hamstring injury. He lied once so he probably lied again. Right?

Funny that you bring up Bradford. Bradford did not work out at the combine. As far as I know, Bradford never did any drill beside threw the football at his pro day. What about all those important drills that Bradford skipped? If Bryant just ran the 40, ran routes and caught the football, I doubt he would be getting all this grief.

I believe he tried to do too much in one day. You are correct there was a tremendous amount of pressure for Bryant to perform. Mortals, unlike yourself, make mistakes and get frustrated.

 
Bob Magaw said:
one difference is that, imo, it was more appropriate for manning to be cocky and have athletic arrogance...

he didn't shoot himself in the foot, and cause himself to potentially drop in the draft by quitting on drills, or raising questions about his maturity, professionalism, character & judgement...

in bryant's case, if there is a problem with his perception, he needs to be accountable for it... he sounds like a whiner when he complains about how things have gone too far... he lied to the ncaa and got suspended for most of a season... he didn't work out at the combine... he was responsible for weight fluctuations... he quit on some drills... he wasn't prepared for something as basic as cone drills, in what amounted to the biggest interview of his life... after having many months to prepare for it...

if he has an explanation for why he quit on some drills, i haven't seen/heard it... if he has somewhere, a link would be appreciated...

if you were evaluating prospects, IN GENERAL, would you think it was a good or a bad thing if they quit on drills during their pro day? would it make you feel BETTER handing over millions of dollars to player who isn't even diligent enough to prepare right for the biggest interview of his life...

if bradford had quit throwing after a few passes because his arm had an ouchie, do you think it might have impacted on his perception around the league.

how would i feel... i'd feel i should have prepared better, and if i dropped in the draft, it was my fault.
What you call arrogance, some would call confidence in his ability. I know that I have some sympathy for him because I believe the main difference between Bryant and a player like Reggie Bush is that Bryant got caught.

You question his character. I don’t know him. Do you? Zac Robinson and Russell Okung describe him as great team-mate.

“He didn't work out at the combine”. Obviously, you don’t believe Bryant had a hamstring injury. He lied once so he probably lied again. Right?

Funny that you bring up Bradford. Bradford did not work out at the combine. As far as I know, Bradford never did any drill beside threw the football at his pro day. What about all those important drills that Bradford skipped? If Bryant just ran the 40, ran routes and caught the football, I doubt he would be getting all this grief.

I believe he tried to do too much in one day. You are correct there was a tremendous amount of pressure for Bryant to perform. Mortals, unlike yourself, make mistakes and get frustrated.
You know it's bad when we're comparing a player to Reggie Bush while trying to defend him. Elite young WRs are going to be cocky, it's the nature of the beast, he deserves confidence with his ability. I'm looking past his draft position as it doesn't matter too much as to how he'll actually perform but he has to show it on the field now and get his critics to shut up. At this rate he's going to be one of the heavier scrutinized rookies in the league in awhile.

 
thatguy said:
Bob Magaw said:
I haven't seen this posted yet:

Bryant: Pre-draft criticism has `gone too far'

This is my favorite part:

"Whoever passes up on me, it's over with. I feel like I'm going through the same situation Randy Moss did," he added. "That man had issues and teams were passing up on him, and when he got on that field, he killed them. He murdered them. Look at him today: One of the best players in the NFL."
Go Dez
calling other teams stupid for having legit maturity, character and judgement concerns raised by his quitting in drills is a sure way to signal to front offices and prospective future employers that he has pulled his personal thing together, and is capable of looking in the mirror and taking greater responsibility going forward. :yes:
At what point in that article did he call anyone stupid?
He didn't. At any point.

 
So making a promise that he'll play so great that anyone who passed on him is going to regret it, is somehow a negative too. You're losing credibility by each post here.

:lmao:

 
BuckeyeArt said:
You surely aren't concerned about the cardio/stamina of a 20 year old, are you?
I'd be concerned about a player's lackadaisical attitude towards preparing for the biggest audition of his career to-date. Part of the concern would definitely be why he wasn't in peak condition. I guess when Casserly, an evaluator with tons more experience than anybody around here states that it was "obvious he (Dez) wasn't in shape", he doesn't know what he's talking about...........like I said before, and it was obvious to me as well, he appeared winded out there and the lack of finishing plays and drills could very well be a big indicator of his conditioning and weighed in too heavy to be able to excell in the position drills and 40......This is how I put things together, its like math in a sign-oriented arena........observe the signs, if you know what to look for.I'm moving beyond this with a few final comments....... I don't like Dez's attitude nor his severe lack of urgency and professionalism.....And yes, Mike Williams after his Soph campaign was very highly rated. It was only when he sat out that year that he gained weight and apparently lost his edge/motivation. 'Signs' here are pointing towards a potential repeat......Buyer Beware!
 
FUBAR said:
I was pretty high on Charles Rogers too, one of the more talented WRs in recent years but lacked work ethic.
Charles Rogers lacked the ability to stay away from drugs.
kremenull said:
Conspiracy Theory:Dallas Cowboys (I.e., Jerry Jones approved) and their 'partners' convince Dez to semi-flop his pro day to fall somewhat in the draft in order for the 'Boys to be within range of acquiring him (either via a move up a few picks or other). How is this appealing to Dez since he would then be risking losing major guaranteed $$$? Well, first and foremost, he is a local product (from Texas, not sure if its Dallas or not) and I'm sure hed love to play for the Cowboys. Second, the Deion connection with the Cowboys and (local) Dallas community, with Deion being a big influence in his life. This particular point should not be overlooked. As far as conspiracy theories go, I don't buy into them, and this is pure speculation on my part..........But????
Not a big believer in conspiracy theories but that one is extremely entertaining at least. :wall:
 
BuckeyeArt said:
You surely aren't concerned about the cardio/stamina of a 20 year old, are you?
I'd be concerned about a player's lackadaisical attitude towards preparing for the biggest audition of his career to-date. Part of the concern would definitely be why he wasn't in peak condition. I guess when Casserly, an evaluator with tons more experience than anybody around here states that it was "obvious he (Dez) wasn't in shape", he doesn't know what he's talking about...........like I said before, and it was obvious to me as well, he appeared winded out there and the lack of finishing plays and drills could very well be a big indicator of his conditioning and weighed in too heavy to be able to excell in the position drills and 40......This is how I put things together, its like math in a sign-oriented arena........observe the signs, if you know what to look for.I'm moving beyond this with a few final comments....... I don't like Dez's attitude nor his severe lack of urgency and professionalism.....And yes, Mike Williams after his Soph campaign was very highly rated. It was only when he sat out that year that he gained weight and apparently lost his edge/motivation. 'Signs' here are pointing towards a potential repeat......Buyer Beware!
Mel Kiper had Mike Williams rated the #1 PLAYER in the 2005 draft. Not best WR, best PLAYER. So yeah, Williams was highly rated by many. I think Dez is a much better prospect than Williams, but Williams was regarded as a very good prospect by most. I love Bryant's talent, but he is immature, he clearly has an attitude problem. There are red flags. I don't know how anyone couldn't see it as a negative that he "quit" on his pro day and then went after the media, blaming everything but himself. If I had the #1 pick and needed a WR I would still take him because I believe there is a big gap between him and the next guy. If I wasn't pressed for a WR I would take a long look at Matthews, Spiller or Best, depending where they end up. A month ago I would have taken Dez regardless of need, now I'm wavering a bit.
 
Donnybrook said:
How is that different from Peyton saying to the Colts "If you don't take me, I am going to kick your butt for the next 15 years"?
Because it was Peyton Manning saying it.I'm not being a smartass, I'm making a point. I'm certainly not the world's biggest Manning fan, but it's all about credibility and reputation. And it's about the judgement to know whether you have it enough to go flap your gums at people. Peyton had it, at least as much as an unproven college QB can have it. You didn't know if his game would translate, but you knew he was going to give it his best and he took his prep work seriously. His character and maturity were so far above where Bryant is now, it's not even funny. So when he said it, it sounded like confidence and drive. Dez doesn't have that credibility because he's been a screw-up. So when he says it, especially on the heels of not prepping well, it rings hollow and immature and just sounds like a punk kid doing some smack talkin'. By running his mouth, Bryant shows a lack of judgment once again. Maturity isn't an all or nothing trait. It's a continuum. With each mis-step, Bryant pushes the perception meter further and further into the red.
Donnybrook said:
He didn't make excuses. He said that he needs to improve in some areas. Is he immature? Yes. You have most of the media saying that he blew his chance to go high in the draft. How would you feel if you were him?
I'd be upset at myself because I screwed up. So I'd keep my mouth shut instead of talkin' smack about how bad### I am after showing how bad### I'm not.Immaturity isn't an excuse for immature behavior, it's the cause. Admitting he's immature but then asking how we'd feel if we were him sounds a bit enabling to me. If I were an immature prima donna, I'd feel how an immature prima donna feels. Of course, it'd be in my best interests for people to stop make excuses for my immature behavior.
 
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You surely aren't concerned about the cardio/stamina of a 20 year old, are you?
I'd be concerned about a player's lackadaisical attitude towards preparing for the biggest audition of his career to-date. Part of the concern would definitely be why he wasn't in peak condition. I guess when Casserly, an evaluator with tons more experience than anybody around here states that it was "obvious he (Dez) wasn't in shape", he doesn't know what he's talking about...........like I said before, and it was obvious to me as well, he appeared winded out there and the lack of finishing plays and drills could very well be a big indicator of his conditioning and weighed in too heavy to be able to excell in the position drills and 40......This is how I put things together, its like math in a sign-oriented arena........observe the signs, if you know what to look for.

I'm moving beyond this with a few final comments....... I don't like Dez's attitude nor his severe lack of urgency and professionalism.....And yes, Mike Williams after his Soph campaign was very highly rated. It was only when he sat out that year that he gained weight and apparently lost his edge/motivation. 'Signs' here are pointing towards a potential repeat......Buyer Beware!
Casserly also said he's still a top 20 player for sure, if not top 10.
 
What you call arrogance, some would call confidence in his ability.

I know that I have some sympathy for him because I believe the main difference between Bryant and a player like Reggie Bush is that Bryant got caught.

You question his character. I don’t know him. Do you? Zac Robinson and Russell Okung describe him as great team-mate.

“He didn't work out at the combine”. Obviously, you don’t believe Bryant had a hamstring injury. He lied once so he probably lied again. Right?

Funny that you bring up Bradford. Bradford did not work out at the combine. As far as I know, Bradford never did any drill beside threw the football at his pro day. What about all those important drills that Bradford skipped? If Bryant just ran the 40, ran routes and caught the football, I doubt he would be getting all this grief.

I believe he tried to do too much in one day. You are correct there was a tremendous amount of pressure for Bryant to perform. Mortals, unlike yourself, make mistakes and get frustrated.
again, if you were evaluating prospects, IN GENERAL, would you think it was a good or a bad thing if they quit on drills during their pro day?there have been red flags and warnings before, as noted above (drinen)... also at the workout... mayock was very high on his talent and athletic ability, and said there were red flags. casserly (also noted above), who ironically took mario williams over bush, questioned why he didn't know how to do the cone drills, and appeared to quit... casserly also mentioned how there were a few other players that missed last year, and had fine workouts, appeared to be in shape and prepared, etc. weren't they under pressure, too?

no player is completely good or bad... i cited some good things in an earlier post... mayock called him the best WR prospect he had ever seen in '08 (presumably over moss, dre johnson, fitz & calvin)... maybe on a faster track he would have cracked 4.5 and gotten into the 4.4s... his situation reminds me of hakeem nicks (the quotes from his pro day were eerily similar), and he turned out great.

but in a balanced appraisal, it is important to cite the negatives, too. quitting isn't a positive... why do feel the need to defend him on such an obvious negative? you asked a rhetorical question about whether i know him... i could ask you the same thing... how do you know he doesn't get frustrated and quit easily... how do you know he isn't a blamer, and could be more accountable. front offices and coaching staffs are only mortal, too, and have to judge him by what he actually does and says, not what he didn't do. maybe some front offices will think like you, and say to themselves... "maybe he was under a lot of pressure, got frustrated and tried to do too much, so we forgive his quitting."

nobody questions that he is a physical specimen, athletic and talented... is it really shocking to you that people are questioning his intangibles and work ethic... what do you expect, for him to get praise or sympathy for quitting?

i can't think of a lot of other college prospects now or former ones that went on to have long and distinguished careers, that were infamous for quitting on drills in their pro day workout.

if he doesn't deal with pressure well, do you think he will be under any less pressure in the NFL.

as for bradford, the biggest question he had to answer was the health of his shoulder... the scouts and coaches that were there called it one of the best displays they had seen ... if bryant was a QB, he could have thrown 63 passes and called it a day... it probably didn't escape you attention that nobody called bradford a quitter, and his workout has received nearly universal praise... conversely, almost everybody who looked at bryant's workout said there were red flags, and in a lot of cases, it was observed he quit.

if bradford had walked off the field with 10-20 more throws left (scouts were given a script of what to expect), and said... i am just under too much pressure, and tried to do too much, so i'm going to quit now...", you think he wouldn't have been perceived differently? seriously?

* of course, bryant didn't cite pressure or doing too much as excuses, or admit to quitting (that i know of)... those are your explanations/excuses... if you were his excuse script writer, and that IS what he said after walking off, would that in your opinion make it more OK and justifiable with NFL types? "you know dez, we were kind of alarmed and disturbed that you quit in drills, and think it reflects poorly on your maturity, character and judgement... but since it was because you were under pressure and tried to do too much, all is forgiven!" :shrug:

not sure what you meant by too much? as casserly noted, other prospects, even ones that missed last year and coming out of rehab (doesn't describe bryant) were in shape and did theirs just fine. presumably they were under pressure, too. making mistakes in drills is more acceptable than quitting.

i already said above i still see him getting drafted highly... it only takes one team, and no doubt several will take a chance on his admittedly impressive physical traits, etc. he could go around 10-15... i would be surprised if DEN takes him, though a majority of mocks pencil him in there... maybe he will go in 1st half of round one... but he could have cost himself some money... i expect him to go in the second half somewhere (#17 is in second half, but closer to mid-1st)... i would draft him in fantasy leagues. but if i were a front office that signed him, i would want to look very closely (background checks) at his maturity, character, judgement and accountability. if i thought he was being less than truthful in interviews, and untrustworthy, that would be a serious red flag, and would most likely pass... there are other talented players in the draft, too, that may not have as many attendant red flags.

maybe he is like TO, and that turned out pretty good... TO is not very mature, questionable judgement & FAR from accountable. he is a blamer, and a headache, and a nightmare to some of his teammates (though others profess to like him). as to his character, he has never done anything criminal to my knowledge, and should be commended for that. it is possible to have a questionable constellation of personality traits, and still not be a thug. if TO could be made 21 again and avail in draft, no doubt he would go very high, teammate friction and at times whiney tool factor aside... but TO has an exceptional work ethic, and by all accounts, has for much of his career. if he didn't, he might not be the player he is. and if bryant has issues here, he might not end up being the kind of player he could be.

** i was fast and loose with what bryant said... in general, if i am trying to be verbatim, i will copy and paste, and use quotes... i INTERPRETED his saying it was too much as a lack of accountability... comparing himself to moss = teams will regret not taking him (ie - stupid).

this just seems unnecessary... what does he think... across the league, front offices will be scrambling to form dez bryant threat assessment teams... "well, we really need a OT with our pick in the top 15, but since dez says he is going to kill and murder other teams if they pass on him like moss did, i guess we have to take him instead?"

 
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BuckeyeArt said:
You surely aren't concerned about the cardio/stamina of a 20 year old, are you?
I'd be concerned about a player's lackadaisical attitude towards preparing for the biggest audition of his career to-date. Part of the concern would definitely be why he wasn't in peak condition. I guess when Casserly, an evaluator with tons more experience than anybody around here states that it was "obvious he (Dez) wasn't in shape", he doesn't know what he's talking about...........like I said before, and it was obvious to me as well, he appeared winded out there and the lack of finishing plays and drills could very well be a big indicator of his conditioning and weighed in too heavy to be able to excell in the position drills and 40......This is how I put things together, its like math in a sign-oriented arena........observe the signs, if you know what to look for.

I'm moving beyond this with a few final comments....... I don't like Dez's attitude nor his severe lack of urgency and professionalism.....And yes, Mike Williams after his Soph campaign was very highly rated. It was only when he sat out that year that he gained weight and apparently lost his edge/motivation. 'Signs' here are pointing towards a potential repeat......Buyer Beware!
Casserly also said he's still a top 20 player for sure, if not top 10.
Casserly said there is NO WAY he should go in the top 10.
 
Donnybrook said:
How is that different from Peyton saying to the Colts "If you don't take me, I am going to kick your butt for the next 15 years"?
Because it was Peyton Manning saying it.I'm not being a smartass, I'm making a point. I'm certainly not the world's biggest Manning fan, but it's all about credibility and reputation. And it's about the judgement to know whether you have it enough to go flap your gums at people. Peyton had it, at least as much as an unproven college QB can have it. You didn't know if his game would translate, but you knew he was going to give it his best and he took his prep work seriously. His character and maturity were so far above where Bryant is now, it's not even funny. So when he said it, it sounded like confidence and drive. Dez doesn't have that credibility because he's been a screw-up. So when he says it, especially on the heels of not prepping well, it rings hollow and immature and just sounds like a punk kid doing some smack talkin'. By running his mouth, Bryant shows a lack of judgment once again. Maturity isn't an all or nothing trait. It's a continuum. With each mis-step, Bryant pushes the perception meter further and further into the red.
Donnybrook said:
He didn't make excuses. He said that he needs to improve in some areas. Is he immature? Yes. You have most of the media saying that he blew his chance to go high in the draft. How would you feel if you were him?
I'd be upset at myself because I screwed up. So I'd keep my mouth shut instead of talkin' smack about how bad### I am after showing how bad### I'm not.Immaturity isn't an excuse for immature behavior, it's the cause. Admitting he's immature but then asking how we'd feel if we were him sounds a bit enabling to me. If I were an immature prima donna, I'd feel how an immature prima donna feels. Of course, it'd be in my best interests for people to stop make excuses for my immature behavior.
He voiced his frustration with being labelled a badass. I don't equate that with talking smack. IMO what he was trying to say that he will use the fact that some teams will pass on him as motivation just like Moss did. I don't see how that equates with calling teams stupid. I agree that Bryant needs to do what Moss did later in his career and stop talking to the media. It is to easy to take an innocent statement and twist it negatively.
 
The way some defend Bryant and act that he just can't do no wrong, like quitting on drills is baffling. You'd think these posters already had Dez on their roster. There are red flags people, you just can't get around that, the guy is not perfect.

 
The way some defend Bryant and act that he just can't do no wrong, like quitting on drills is baffling. You'd think these posters already had Dez on their roster. There are red flags people, you just can't get around that, the guy is not perfect.
I don't have Bryant on any roster period. He is not perfect. As Viking fan my biggest fear is that Bryant falls to a top 10 team because of tabloid journalism. It probably an irrational fear because I believe most scouts know that screwing up on a 3 cone is not a big deal for a player of his skill level.
 
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BuckeyeArt said:
You surely aren't concerned about the cardio/stamina of a 20 year old, are you?
I'd be concerned about a player's lackadaisical attitude towards preparing for the biggest audition of his career to-date. Part of the concern would definitely be why he wasn't in peak condition. I guess when Casserly, an evaluator with tons more experience than anybody around here states that it was "obvious he (Dez) wasn't in shape", he doesn't know what he's talking about...........like I said before, and it was obvious to me as well, he appeared winded out there and the lack of finishing plays and drills could very well be a big indicator of his conditioning and weighed in too heavy to be able to excell in the position drills and 40......This is how I put things together, its like math in a sign-oriented arena........observe the signs, if you know what to look for.

I'm moving beyond this with a few final comments....... I don't like Dez's attitude nor his severe lack of urgency and professionalism.....And yes, Mike Williams after his Soph campaign was very highly rated. It was only when he sat out that year that he gained weight and apparently lost his edge/motivation. 'Signs' here are pointing towards a potential repeat......Buyer Beware!
Casserly also said he's still a top 20 player for sure, if not top 10.
Casserly said there is NO WAY he should go in the top 10.
He said that he personally wouldn't take him in the top 10.
 
Donnybrook said:
How is that different from Peyton saying to the Colts "If you don't take me, I am going to kick your butt for the next 15 years"?
Because it was Peyton Manning saying it.I'm not being a smartass, I'm making a point. I'm certainly not the world's biggest Manning fan, but it's all about credibility and reputation. And it's about the judgement to know whether you have it enough to go flap your gums at people. Peyton had it, at least as much as an unproven college QB can have it. You didn't know if his game would translate, but you knew he was going to give it his best and he took his prep work seriously. His character and maturity were so far above where Bryant is now, it's not even funny. So when he said it, it sounded like confidence and drive. Dez doesn't have that credibility because he's been a screw-up. So when he says it, especially on the heels of not prepping well, it rings hollow and immature and just sounds like a punk kid doing some smack talkin'. By running his mouth, Bryant shows a lack of judgment once again. Maturity isn't an all or nothing trait. It's a continuum. With each mis-step, Bryant pushes the perception meter further and further into the red.
Donnybrook said:
He didn't make excuses. He said that he needs to improve in some areas. Is he immature? Yes. You have most of the media saying that he blew his chance to go high in the draft. How would you feel if you were him?
I'd be upset at myself because I screwed up. So I'd keep my mouth shut instead of talkin' smack about how bad### I am after showing how bad### I'm not.Immaturity isn't an excuse for immature behavior, it's the cause. Admitting he's immature but then asking how we'd feel if we were him sounds a bit enabling to me. If I were an immature prima donna, I'd feel how an immature prima donna feels. Of course, it'd be in my best interests for people to stop make excuses for my immature behavior.
He voiced his frustration with being labelled a badass. I don't equate that with talking smack. IMO what he was trying to say that he will use the fact that some teams will pass on him as motivation just like Moss did. I don't see how that equates with calling teams stupid. I agree that Bryant needs to do what Moss did later in his career and stop talking to the media. It is to easy to take an innocent statement and twist it negatively.
How about using his dedication to his craft as motivation to pack his cleats and finish drills? They aren't "innocent statements". He's an immature kid who screwed up and now he's on the record saying that he's going to use the fact that teams might count it against him as motivation to play better. That's not taking responsibility for your actions. If he were mature, he'd use his own recent shortcomings to prod him on...not focus on someone else's rational and reasonable reaction to his screw-ups. The hits just keep on coming. If Dez quit talking to the media, THAT would show some maturity and intelligence. Not as much as being able to handle the media without giving them headline material, which so many other players seem to be able to do, but it'd be an improvement over what he's doing now.And here's some more fuel for the fire, Moss hasn't lived up to his full potential either. As great as he has been at times, he could be even better.BTW, I'm not convinced Bryant is headed for bustville. He can grow out of it and overcome. But I get tired of people making excuses for immature players or acting like it doesn't equate to a real-world risk on draft day. Not all players are this immature coming out of college. It's a very real negative that has to figure into the equation.
 
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The way some defend Bryant and act that he just can't do no wrong, like quitting on drills is baffling. You'd think these posters already had Dez on their roster. There are red flags people, you just can't get around that, the guy is not perfect.
Equally baffling is that some are saying he's a third-rounder now or that they no longer will draft him at all.
 
The way some defend Bryant and act that he just can't do no wrong, like quitting on drills is baffling. You'd think these posters already had Dez on their roster. There are red flags people, you just can't get around that, the guy is not perfect.
Equally baffling is that some are saying he's a third-rounder now or that they no longer will draft him at all.
I understand the latter much more than the former.He's got the skills and upside to be an elite WR, so presumably you wouldn't take him if you had character concerns. I could get with taking him completely off your board MUCH more than I could see arguing that you would take him but only if he fell a round or two.
 
I love the Shark Pool. I read it often and post occasionally. It could be renamed Shark Tools, or Shark Fools in some instances. I am from Lufkin, scouted for a professional baseball team, have coached in high school, college, and professional baseball. I was at the workout. He looked great. I handtimed him at 4.49, 4.50, and 4.61. Many of his high school coaches are friends of mine and we play in some local auction leagues together. His "character concerns" in my opinion are laughable. The guy has overachieved at every level. For a guy to come out of Lufkin and go to OSU says one thing and one thing only; UT or ATM didnt recruit him. OSU is like, well at least its DI. I am in a dynasty where I have aquired the 1.01 and I am ready to pick now. FWIW, Jermicheal Finley is from the same area and had about 10 times as many character concerns coming out of college. I own him in 4 of 5 dynasties. I had a couple of drinks with him at the Texas High School Basketball Tournament and got some GREAT insight on different players in the NFL. We talked primarily about the speed of other players, young upside guys who are under the radar and so on. So, rest easy 1.01 owners. Take DB and and dont worry about it for a second.

 
The way some defend Bryant and act that he just can't do no wrong, like quitting on drills is baffling. You'd think these posters already had Dez on their roster. There are red flags people, you just can't get around that, the guy is not perfect.
Equally baffling is that some are saying he's a third-rounder now or that they no longer will draft him at all.
I understand the latter much more than the former.He's got the skills and upside to be an elite WR, so presumably you wouldn't take him if you had character concerns. I could get with taking him completely off your board MUCH more than I could see arguing that you would take him but only if he fell a round or two.
That would be crazy IMO- this may be one area where fantasy football and the real NFL may in fact be similar. At some point the reward to risk ratio becomes so indifferent that I think you have to consider taking a player. If he was a fifth round talent along with all the character flaws, I could understand taking him off the draft board- but he is a first round talent with some character flaws. While it is certainly debatable how significant the character flaws are- I really don't see where you could remove Dez from your draft board all together. While I can certainly see some teams feeling they wouldn't invest a first or maybe second round pick in him, I would be shocked if any NFL team would not consider taking a chance on him with the talent he exhbits. Does he have maturity/judgement issues- yes, but is not like he is a felon or shown conduct that demonstrates social deviant behavior. I really don't feel that warrants him being removed from an NFL teams draft board.
 
I love the Shark Pool. I read it often and post occasionally. It could be renamed Shark Tools, or Shark Fools in some instances. I am from Lufkin, scouted for a professional baseball team, have coached in high school, college, and professional baseball. I was at the workout. He looked great. I handtimed him at 4.49, 4.50, and 4.61. Many of his high school coaches are friends of mine and we play in some local auction leagues together. His "character concerns" in my opinion are laughable. The guy has overachieved at every level. For a guy to come out of Lufkin and go to OSU says one thing and one thing only; UT or ATM didnt recruit him. OSU is like, well at least its DI. I am in a dynasty where I have aquired the 1.01 and I am ready to pick now. FWIW, Jermicheal Finley is from the same area and had about 10 times as many character concerns coming out of college. I own him in 4 of 5 dynasties. I had a couple of drinks with him at the Texas High School Basketball Tournament and got some GREAT insight on different players in the NFL. We talked primarily about the speed of other players, young upside guys who are under the radar and so on. So, rest easy 1.01 owners. Take DB and and dont worry about it for a second.
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I love the Shark Pool. I read it often and post occasionally. It could be renamed Shark Tools, or Shark Fools in some instances. I am from Lufkin, scouted for a professional baseball team, have coached in high school, college, and professional baseball. I was at the workout. He looked great. I handtimed him at 4.49, 4.50, and 4.61. Many of his high school coaches are friends of mine and we play in some local auction leagues together. His "character concerns" in my opinion are laughable. The guy has overachieved at every level. For a guy to come out of Lufkin and go to OSU says one thing and one thing only; UT or ATM didnt recruit him. OSU is like, well at least its DI. I am in a dynasty where I have aquired the 1.01 and I am ready to pick now. FWIW, Jermicheal Finley is from the same area and had about 10 times as many character concerns coming out of college. I own him in 4 of 5 dynasties. I had a couple of drinks with him at the Texas High School Basketball Tournament and got some GREAT insight on different players in the NFL. We talked primarily about the speed of other players, young upside guys who are under the radar and so on. So, rest easy 1.01 owners. Take DB and and dont worry about it for a second.
Dez was also recruited by OU, LSU, Arkansas, TTech, and yes even ATM. (Rivals)If I remember right, the only reason he wasn't recruited heavier was because he didn't qualify until late.

 
1.1 for Crabtree? That is awfully high pick to give for him. I think it is an easy choice to go with D.Bryant who has A.Johnson potential and Crabtree played 11 games last year and didn't show me anything that he will be a stud WR in the NFL. Bryant may go to Cleveland or he could end up in NE but this is an easy choice for D.Bryant you have to go with more potential.
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Looking at the raw measurables:

6'1.5" 224

40 - 4.52 seconds

Vertical - 38"

Broad Jump - 11'1"

There's nothing disappointing here. In fact, this is a pretty sick workout for a guy with this kind of bulk. 38" in the vert and 11'1" in the broad jump are elite marks. People need to realize that 224 pounds is a HUGE weight for a WR who's only 6'1.5". To put his size into comparison, here are BMI numbers for some other jumbo WRs:

Andre Johnson - 29.5

Dez Bryant - 29.1

Anquan Boldin - 28.9

Larry Fitzgerald - 28.3

Calvin Johnson - 28.3

Michael Crabtree - 28.1

Brandon Marshall - 27.6

I'll say the same thing that I said last year when people were going crazy over Crabtree's lack of stopwatch speed: when you are this big, you don't need elite speed. Bryant's overall size and mobility combination compares favorably with those of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, and Brandon Marshall. He's not a deep threat like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but we knew that all along. He has always been touted as more of a power receiver along the lines of Boldin or Crabtree. Today's numbers suggest that he has plenty of juice under the hood to be successful in this role.

My take on Dez is simple. He has all of the physical tools and football talent to be a perennial 1000+ yard WR in the NFL. Character and injuries are the only thing that can prevent him from becoming a quality pro.
To outsiders and casual observers, yeah, Dez looks to be in great shape, an upper-echelon physical specimen. But as an athlete, the goal is to be in peak condiotion. And for his height, no way he should be carrying 224 lbs. There is either a bit too much 1) muscle, or 2) body fat. Whatever it is, he should come in at around 215-217 at most. This would certainly help his quicness and speed. Given his natural physical ability, learning how to properly take care of your body (eating right, proper sleep, etc), can be the difference between elite performance and good performance. His cardio certainly needs major improvement, I'm not going to let his build distract me from what he displayed. The kid is not in good shape for this type of event and its importance. He screwed up, plain and simple.
So does this mean that you won't be taking Bryant #1 overall in SMTM? :confused:
 
The way some defend Bryant and act that he just can't do no wrong, like quitting on drills is baffling. You'd think these posters already had Dez on their roster. There are red flags people, you just can't get around that, the guy is not perfect.
Equally baffling is that some are saying he's a third-rounder now or that they no longer will draft him at all.
Not sure if you're referencing my earlier take or not, but stating that if I were a GM I wouldn't touch him in the first 2 rounds is not stating that he is a 3rd rounder. It's stating that I wouldn't draft him onto my NFL franchise unless I got obscene value with virtually no risk. He's easily a 1st Rd talent with equally high knucklehead potential, IMO.The kid still has some time to help himself here in this process, as during personal interviews and private workouts, teams' perceptions may change, who knows? I'm actually rooting for the kid to succeed, but there is no denying that there are some red flags here.
 
Looking at the raw measurables:

6'1.5" 224

40 - 4.52 seconds

Vertical - 38"

Broad Jump - 11'1"

There's nothing disappointing here. In fact, this is a pretty sick workout for a guy with this kind of bulk. 38" in the vert and 11'1" in the broad jump are elite marks. People need to realize that 224 pounds is a HUGE weight for a WR who's only 6'1.5". To put his size into comparison, here are BMI numbers for some other jumbo WRs:

Andre Johnson - 29.5

Dez Bryant - 29.1

Anquan Boldin - 28.9

Larry Fitzgerald - 28.3

Calvin Johnson - 28.3

Michael Crabtree - 28.1

Brandon Marshall - 27.6

I'll say the same thing that I said last year when people were going crazy over Crabtree's lack of stopwatch speed: when you are this big, you don't need elite speed. Bryant's overall size and mobility combination compares favorably with those of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, and Brandon Marshall. He's not a deep threat like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but we knew that all along. He has always been touted as more of a power receiver along the lines of Boldin or Crabtree. Today's numbers suggest that he has plenty of juice under the hood to be successful in this role.

My take on Dez is simple. He has all of the physical tools and football talent to be a perennial 1000+ yard WR in the NFL. Character and injuries are the only thing that can prevent him from becoming a quality pro.
To outsiders and casual observers, yeah, Dez looks to be in great shape, an upper-echelon physical specimen. But as an athlete, the goal is to be in peak condiotion. And for his height, no way he should be carrying 224 lbs. There is either a bit too much 1) muscle, or 2) body fat. Whatever it is, he should come in at around 215-217 at most. This would certainly help his quicness and speed. Given his natural physical ability, learning how to properly take care of your body (eating right, proper sleep, etc), can be the difference between elite performance and good performance. His cardio certainly needs major improvement, I'm not going to let his build distract me from what he displayed. The kid is not in good shape for this type of event and its importance. He screwed up, plain and simple.
So does this mean that you won't be taking Bryant #1 overall in SMTM? :)
Nope! It's called leverage. Let's just say, you might want to consider trading up. I certainly may draft him as I could use either a RB or WR. :coffee:
 

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