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The Dez Bryant Pro Day Watch Thread (1 Viewer)
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B. Nugget
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...ryant-works-outHe doesn't look out of shape in this video...
jurb26
Footballguy
That's a pretty concerning read. How can you not be prepared to run the short shuttle and cone drills as a WR with nothing to do with you time for the last several months other than work on those things?
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Does Schefter usually report things that are second hand which are most likely lies? I don't know. I'm asking.Schefter reported that there were "reports" of him running a 4.3. It doesn't take much for a personal trainer or friend to click the stopwatch a hair sooner and tell him how great he is, and then blab about it to others and it gets into the media (even though it's not truth)Schefter reported that Bryant ran a 4.3x last week.I never heard anything other than 4.5s being expected.
lynx4ben
Footballguy
I'm sorry but 14 reps of 225 for a guy with his build is horrible. I could do 8 reps at 165 pounds in high school (I'm just trying to show that this is pathetic). Seriously, why would he quit on the bench press? There is no reason for that. All you have to do is keep pushing.
offdee
Footballguy
I think most of Schefter's reports are directly from NFL insiders who are usually reliable/credible sources. Workouts of Dez Bryant leading up to a Pro Day are doubtful to have any credible NFL sources in attendance witnessing it first hand...so comments were probably just passed along at face value.Not saying people who were reporting it didn't believe the times to be true...what I'm saying is that they way Dez's people are timing the run and the way official NFL scouts timing the run could be quite different. The difference between 4.5 and 4.3 is pretty minimal in terms of the finger clicking the stopwatch.Does Schefter usually report things that are second hand which are most likely lies? I don't know. I'm asking.Schefter reported that there were "reports" of him running a 4.3. It doesn't take much for a personal trainer or friend to click the stopwatch a hair sooner and tell him how great he is, and then blab about it to others and it gets into the media (even though it's not truth)Schefter reported that Bryant ran a 4.3x last week.I never heard anything other than 4.5s being expected.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Bryant posts 4.52, 4.68 at Tuesday's workout
Updating a previous item, Oklahoma State's Dez Bryant posted forty times of 4.52 and 4.68 at Tuesday's private workout in his hometown of Lufkin, Texas.
Bryant ran a third time of 4.52 due to the discrepancy between the first two times. He also dropped some passes early in drills before settling down and "getting into the flow." Though Bryant's game tape remains elite, NFL Network's Mike Mayock says "more questions than answers" came out of the workout. He remains likely to be the first receiver off the board, however. Mar. 30 - 1:29 pm et
Source: NFL.com
Updating a previous item, Oklahoma State's Dez Bryant posted forty times of 4.52 and 4.68 at Tuesday's private workout in his hometown of Lufkin, Texas.
Bryant ran a third time of 4.52 due to the discrepancy between the first two times. He also dropped some passes early in drills before settling down and "getting into the flow." Though Bryant's game tape remains elite, NFL Network's Mike Mayock says "more questions than answers" came out of the workout. He remains likely to be the first receiver off the board, however. Mar. 30 - 1:29 pm et
Source: NFL.com
The short snippet I saw on NFL network, I thought the same thing-dude is pretty shredded and looks to be in shape
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Lots of overreaction in this thread. Cecil and Bloom went off on combine/pro day overreaction in a recent audible, this thread is a great example of why they went off.
This guy is still the #1 WR, should still be the top pick in PPR leagues, should be a top 3-5 pick in non ppr leagues. I have always liked Crabtree over Bryant and that still hasn't changed after today, Crabtree is and always was the better prospect. Bryant is not that far behind, if he was in last years draft I would have had him #2 behind Crabtree. The question of people now rethinking that Bryant is now not the #1 WR in this draft is laughable. If people are dropping Bryant out of the top spot then what were these people basing their rankings on in the first place?
This guy is still the #1 WR, should still be the top pick in PPR leagues, should be a top 3-5 pick in non ppr leagues. I have always liked Crabtree over Bryant and that still hasn't changed after today, Crabtree is and always was the better prospect. Bryant is not that far behind, if he was in last years draft I would have had him #2 behind Crabtree. The question of people now rethinking that Bryant is now not the #1 WR in this draft is laughable. If people are dropping Bryant out of the top spot then what were these people basing their rankings on in the first place?
HAM
Footballguy
I think that there is def cause for concern after this. And after reading all posts, I don't see anyone really saying he's not the top WR in this years draft. But maybe drop him a slot or two down behind some RBs in rookie drafts. The guy F'd up today.. plain and simple
offdee
Footballguy
Agree with all of this.I personally still have him as the top WR in this class (by a pretty good margin). Just less sure of his success at the next level than I was 1 year ago.
lynx4ben
Footballguy
Well overall it's very weird that he quit on so many drills. I really don't see a any explantion behind why he quit on the drills I could understand the three cone if he's slipping. The bench doesn't make any sense though.
Still if you watch that nfl.com video the guy looks ripped. I'm not buying the overweight thing. He seems to be in tip top shape. Starting with a build like that and improving it through NFL training and OTAs is going to reinforce my opinion that he is an absolutely elite physical talent.
I look at him and see Owens from a build perspective. I just hope he doesn't have the same two cent head. You don't have to run 4.4s when corners can't jam you at the line.
Still if you watch that nfl.com video the guy looks ripped. I'm not buying the overweight thing. He seems to be in tip top shape. Starting with a build like that and improving it through NFL training and OTAs is going to reinforce my opinion that he is an absolutely elite physical talent.
I look at him and see Owens from a build perspective. I just hope he doesn't have the same two cent head. You don't have to run 4.4s when corners can't jam you at the line.
doowain
Footballguy
You are in DEFCON 1 with this Dez Bryant thread dude. I see what you are doing, I think everyone else sees what you are doing. You compare Bryant to Calvin Johnson because Bryant forgot his cleats. However, Calvin Johnson didn't bring his cleats and at the last minute borrowed someone elses, and rocked it. Bryant did nothing to help his stock with his workout. You then compare Bryant to Harvin because both of them have character issues. However, Harvin is a hard worker and an ####### (or was an #######, whatever). If Bryant was just as ####### like Harvin, this thread would be much shorter. However Bryant is also suspected of being lazy: weight fluctuation, had a long time to get his numbers better, but failed, couldn't even finish the drills. This is the problem.What's next? Going to compare him to Anquan Boldin in the 40? Randy Moss for being a d-bag? I don't think Bryant will suck, but you are reaching here in your defense of him. It's really bad.I was referring to the "character concern" stories that emerged leading up to the draft. Did you seriously miss those?I don't think anyone has ever said Harvin had a poor work ethic.doowain said:
1. I already stated that I was fuzzy on the details surrounding Calvin's "missing shoes". You are blowing that out of proportion.2. I didn't compare Bryant to Harvin based on character issues. I was stating that these same "character concern reports" came out about Percy prior to last year's draft. They turned out to be bogus, much like I suspect these could be. It had nothing to do with them being similar character wise. I'm not sure how you don't see the difference. FWIW, I'm a big UF fan and knew these reports on Percy were unfounded last year.3. What exactly am I doing here? I honestly thought the guy was going to tear up his pro day (as I'm sure others did). It's disheartening that he didn't. I was merely starting a thread so that we all had a place to go to discuss it. MY BAD.4. I'm joining in on a discussion about what is a big story for rookie drafts and giving my opinion. You seem to have some serious anger in your post. That is what's sad my friend.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
DUDE we all see what you are trying to do........You are in DEFCON 1 with this Dez Bryant thread dude. I see what you are doing, I think everyone else sees what you are doing. You compare Bryant to Calvin Johnson because Bryant forgot his cleats. However, Calvin Johnson didn't bring his cleats and at the last minute borrowed someone elses, and rocked it. Bryant did nothing to help his stock with his workout. You then compare Bryant to Harvin because both of them have character issues. However, Harvin is a hard worker and an ####### (or was an #######, whatever). If Bryant was just as ####### like Harvin, this thread would be much shorter. However Bryant is also suspected of being lazy: weight fluctuation, had a long time to get his numbers better, but failed, couldn't even finish the drills. This is the problem.What's next? Going to compare him to Anquan Boldin in the 40? Randy Moss for being a d-bag? I don't think Bryant will suck, but you are reaching here in your defense of him. It's really bad.I was referring to the "character concern" stories that emerged leading up to the draft. Did you seriously miss those?I don't think anyone has ever said Harvin had a poor work ethic.doowain said:1. I already stated that I was fuzzy on the details surrounding Calvin's "missing shoes". You are blowing that out of proportion.2. I didn't compare Bryant to Harvin based on character issues. I was stating that these same "character concern reports" came out about Percy prior to last year's draft. They turned out to be bogus, much like I suspect these could be. It had nothing to do with them being similar character wise. I'm not sure how you don't see the difference. FWIW, I'm a big UF fan and knew these reports on Percy were unfounded last year.3. What exactly am I doing here? I honestly thought the guy was going to tear up his pro day (as I'm sure others did). It's disheartening that he didn't. I was merely starting a thread so that we all had a place to go to discuss it. MY BAD.4. I'm joining in on a discussion about what is a big story for rookie drafts and giving my opinion. You seem to have some serious anger in your post. That is what's sad my friend.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
IIRC, Mel Kiper Jr. had BMW rated as the #1 prospect on his draft board that year.
As does every player that comes out of college ball, EVERY player, not most.......Just some are a better bet to be something, but ALL have doubts....
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Why in the world is Mike McCarthy there watching this clown work out?
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Isn't Ted Thompson a huge BPA guy when it comes to the draft?It's very possible that Bryant is the BPA on the Packer's board when they're on the clock.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
According to Mayock, if Dez ran below a 4.5 he would not be concerned.
What about the surface Dez ran on? I honestly think he would have ran faster at the combine. Track vs Field turf.
What about the surface Dez ran on? I honestly think he would have ran faster at the combine. Track vs Field turf.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
LOL. He ran at a high school, if Dez chose to run on a bad track then he is a big dumb doofus.
Driver's getting older and less productive.James Jones hasn't been a consistent producer.Jordy Nelson plays like a #3 WR. Packers run alot of 3 WR sets.Ted Thompson is a BPA guy.Is a very real possibility both Driver and Jones are gone in 2011...Bryant would fit well and be a major steal if he fell to 22 (or wherever GB drafts at).
lynx4ben
Footballguy
I think TT would like to let other GMs believe he is a BPA guy. As far as the draft is concerned he has shown that he can sway either direction as needed.Last years draft was a prime example of him drafting to fill the 3-4 defense. He had a specific game plan.As for why McMcarthy is there, that's a good question. Both Driver and Jones are in contract years. So it could be because of that. I really don't think that would be a good pick at all. There will be plently of guys at a position of need around their pick that could be argued as BPA. I don't see why they would go WR unless they plan on letting both of those guys walk after this year.With all that said; if I had to guess it's TT posturing in case Dez would drop so he can trade down for multiple 2nds/3rds. This is a deep draft at some crucial positions for the packers. I think a trade down is most likely if Dez is available and this was nothing but posturing for trade partners. That seems a little far fetch so who knows; the first scenario could be true but I'll take the latter.
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EBF
Footballguy
Looking at the raw measurables:
6'1.5" 224
40 - 4.52 seconds
Vertical - 38"
Broad Jump - 11'1"
There's nothing disappointing here. In fact, this is a pretty sick workout for a guy with this kind of bulk. 38" in the vert and 11'1" in the broad jump are elite marks. People need to realize that 224 pounds is a HUGE weight for a WR who's only 6'1.5". To put his size into comparison, here are BMI numbers for some other jumbo WRs:
Andre Johnson - 29.5
Dez Bryant - 29.1
Anquan Boldin - 28.9
Larry Fitzgerald - 28.3
Calvin Johnson - 28.3
Michael Crabtree - 28.1
Brandon Marshall - 27.6
I'll say the same thing that I said last year when people were going crazy over Crabtree's lack of stopwatch speed: when you are this big, you don't need elite speed. Bryant's overall size and mobility combination compares favorably with those of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, and Brandon Marshall. He's not a deep threat like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but we knew that all along. He has always been touted as more of a power receiver along the lines of Boldin or Crabtree. Today's numbers suggest that he has plenty of juice under the hood to be successful in this role.
My take on Dez is simple. He has all of the physical tools and football talent to be a perennial 1000+ yard WR in the NFL. Character and injuries are the only thing that can prevent him from becoming a quality pro.
6'1.5" 224
40 - 4.52 seconds
Vertical - 38"
Broad Jump - 11'1"
There's nothing disappointing here. In fact, this is a pretty sick workout for a guy with this kind of bulk. 38" in the vert and 11'1" in the broad jump are elite marks. People need to realize that 224 pounds is a HUGE weight for a WR who's only 6'1.5". To put his size into comparison, here are BMI numbers for some other jumbo WRs:
Andre Johnson - 29.5
Dez Bryant - 29.1
Anquan Boldin - 28.9
Larry Fitzgerald - 28.3
Calvin Johnson - 28.3
Michael Crabtree - 28.1
Brandon Marshall - 27.6
I'll say the same thing that I said last year when people were going crazy over Crabtree's lack of stopwatch speed: when you are this big, you don't need elite speed. Bryant's overall size and mobility combination compares favorably with those of Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, and Brandon Marshall. He's not a deep threat like Calvin or Andre Johnson, but we knew that all along. He has always been touted as more of a power receiver along the lines of Boldin or Crabtree. Today's numbers suggest that he has plenty of juice under the hood to be successful in this role.
My take on Dez is simple. He has all of the physical tools and football talent to be a perennial 1000+ yard WR in the NFL. Character and injuries are the only thing that can prevent him from becoming a quality pro.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
He is obviously not a rocket scientist but shouldn't his agent be handling this kinda stuff.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
Or maybe I just used the 4.52 time because he matched it when they had him run a 3rd time. I'm guessing that's the time the teams will use as well.
HAM
Footballguy
Well, after soakig all of this in.. I'm pleased with today's results. Solidifies my selection of Clifford Jr with the 1.01. ( no ppr start 2 wr)
Just too much nonsense with this guy. Was the extra 15 pounds really worth it or does he just want to look good fr the under armor commecial? Forgets his cleats? C'mon.
Lots of god given talent, just empty in the skull.
Will he be a 'bust'? Strongly doubt it...
Will be be a top 15 WR in the near future? Time will tell but I'm just not seeing the football mind in him
Just too much nonsense with this guy. Was the extra 15 pounds really worth it or does he just want to look good fr the under armor commecial? Forgets his cleats? C'mon.
Lots of god given talent, just empty in the skull.
Will he be a 'bust'? Strongly doubt it...
Will be be a top 15 WR in the near future? Time will tell but I'm just not seeing the football mind in him
Dave Larkin
Moderator
I bet the teams in the 10-20 range of the draft are licking their chops over Bryant hoping they fall to him because of questions at his workout.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.
Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout
I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.
jurb26
Footballguy
It's not a bad work out if you simply look at the numbers. But I'd have to say that the only elite number of the group is the broad jump one. Anything 11+ is elite and a prelude to remarkable explosiveness and athletic ability. 38 in the vert is a very good mark, but I'd say 40+ is elite. Regardless, it isn't the marks that people are bent out of shape on. It's the attitude with which he seemed to display throughout the day. Not coming prepared and not finishing drills is simply mind boggling seeing that he missed almost all of the 2009 season. It doesn't mean he isn't going to be a great player but it does raise some red flags that weren't really there before.
hes comparable to fitz in how they are both elite in tracking the ball in the air...
and fitz ran a 4.63 at the 2004 combine.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123207803343289089.html
and fitz ran a 4.63 at the 2004 combine.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123207803343289089.html
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
I guess you know more than most scouts saying differently.Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout
I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.
Here's the thing.. Elite talent is elite talent, and someone's going to, early in the draft, not pass.At some point around the 10th spot this year, someone's going to take the risk on this kid because his talent is just too good to ignore.I guess you know more than most scouts saying differently.Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout
I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.
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Cassius
Footballguy
If you think scouts make drastic changes in ratings based on pro day workouts, well, you're wrong.I guess you know more than most scouts saying differently.Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout
I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
And you know this because your a scout yourself ,right??lol you know nothing.If you think scouts make drastic changes in ratings based on pro day workouts, well, you're wrong.I guess you know more than most scouts saying differently.Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout
I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.
Cassius
Footballguy
You don't need to be a scout - you just have to know the first thing about scouting.And you know this because your a scout yourself ,right??lol you know nothing.If you think scouts make drastic changes in ratings based on pro day workouts, well, you're wrong.I guess you know more than most scouts saying differently.Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout
I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.
Heep
Footballguy
Dez Bryant is trash. If I were you and had him rostered, Id trade him for Antonio who should do big things in Cincy. Straight up deal, see if you can get it...You are in DEFCON 1 with this Dez Bryant thread dude. I see what you are doing, I think everyone else sees what you are doing. You compare Bryant to Calvin Johnson because Bryant forgot his cleats. However, Calvin Johnson didn't bring his cleats and at the last minute borrowed someone elses, and rocked it. Bryant did nothing to help his stock with his workout. You then compare Bryant to Harvin because both of them have character issues. However, Harvin is a hard worker and an ####### (or was an #######, whatever). If Bryant was just as ####### like Harvin, this thread would be much shorter. However Bryant is also suspected of being lazy: weight fluctuation, had a long time to get his numbers better, but failed, couldn't even finish the drills. This is the problem.What's next? Going to compare him to Anquan Boldin in the 40? Randy Moss for being a d-bag? I don't think Bryant will suck, but you are reaching here in your defense of him. It's really bad.I was referring to the "character concern" stories that emerged leading up to the draft. Did you seriously miss those?I don't think anyone has ever said Harvin had a poor work ethic.doowain said:
KoolKat
Footballguy
I thought I heard Mayock just saying on NFL All Access that he was running in the 4.7s and high 4.6s. No mention of any 4.5s. He also said that Bryant stated that he did not like to run slant patterns!
I really want to like this guy as I have the 3rd and 4th picks, but I am really starting to wonder if he is going to be a huge bust.
I really want to like this guy as I have the 3rd and 4th picks, but I am really starting to wonder if he is going to be a huge bust.
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doowain
Footballguy
Maybe you missed the part where he said "I think". Cut the shtick and allow people to post their opinions. Geez.I guess you know more than most scouts saying differently.Yep they probably will forget about the 4.68 especially since he ran it a third time and matched his 4.52. His 11'1" broadjump and 38" vert should help too.I think some should watch this video. He doesn't come off to me as someone who has a bad attitude, for someone of his past he is fairly well spoken and polite. Yes sir, thank you sir..Yeah they will forget about the 4.68 and act like it never happend.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d...yant-on-workout
I think teams will still draft him right where they would have before. I think that this only solidified where they were going to draft him and didn't drop him or raise him. It's exactly what people expected.
doowain
Footballguy
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Good question, his agent sounds as dumb as brandon marshalls....Anyone know why OSU did not allow him to participate in their Pro Day?Was that decision school sanctioned or was that bc the NCAA banned him for the remaining year?Did he piss Gundy off? What the F led to him Lufkin TX?
lufkin is his home town
I guess you know more than most scouts saying differently.
If you think scouts make drastic changes in ratings based on pro day workouts, well, you're wrong.
And you know this because your a scout yourself ,right??
lol you know nothing.
You don't need to be a scout - you just have to know the first thing about scouting.
Somthing obviously you know nothing about.
If you think scouts make drastic changes in ratings based on pro day workouts, well, you're wrong.
And you know this because your a scout yourself ,right??
lol you know nothing.
You don't need to be a scout - you just have to know the first thing about scouting.
Somthing obviously you know nothing about.
theglorydays
Footballguy
His 40 time didn't concern me, it was everything else. If you saw the video, the guy didn't even know how to run the 3 cone drill, and was just stopping in the middle of drills. And like another previous poster said, he appeared to just stop benching when it looked like he could do more.
He showed up unprepared to his pro day, apparently forget his cleats (maybe that was an excuse), seemed to quit in the middle of drills and on the bench.
I'm not sure how much this guy wants it, i mean if you show up unprepared to your pro day, what is going to happen when you get paid a bunch of money? Is this guy going to work hard to be the best or just coast along after he gets paid? I'm leaning towards the latter.
He showed up unprepared to his pro day, apparently forget his cleats (maybe that was an excuse), seemed to quit in the middle of drills and on the bench.
I'm not sure how much this guy wants it, i mean if you show up unprepared to your pro day, what is going to happen when you get paid a bunch of money? Is this guy going to work hard to be the best or just coast along after he gets paid? I'm leaning towards the latter.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
This is one of those players that you need to see where he lands, not as much for the QB or the offense like most WRs, but for the coach. Does he go to a place where he can be motivated? The issue I have is that I'm not sure what style of motivation he needs. Does he need a Bill Parcells-type coach, a Tony Dungy-type coach or a Marvin Lewis-type coach? No idea.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I haven't seen anyone freak out over his 40-time, I've seen people rightly be concerned with a pattern of concerning behavior and lack of discipline and judgment. Considering he's going to cost you a top 1-3 rookie draft pick, I don't want him.
