What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

The fall of Disney. Self destruction of a sterling brand. (3 Viewers)

NorvilleBarnes

Footballguy
I guess watching CNN and the New York Times destroy their own brands looked like a brilliant idea to the folks in the Magic Kingdom.

It's early, and they can still recover - but they won't. They'll double and triple down on their woke alphabet agenda until they [### the point of no return. 

Thanks for all the memories Disney. It was a run.

 
What did Disney do?
They were initially continuing to contribute the supporters of the ‘Don’t Say Gay Bill’. Under pressure they stopped. Then they’ve made a few minor changes to be more LGBT friendly. I’m sure the next criticism will be why they don’t do more movies about white culture.

 
I guess watching CNN and the New York Times destroy their own brands looked like a brilliant idea to the folks in the Magic Kingdom.

It's early, and they can still recover - but they won't. They'll double and triple down on their woke alphabet agenda until they [### the point of no return. 

Thanks for all the memories Disney. It was a run.
Wow you are really anti-gay huh?  I never thought that about you before.  

 
:lol:

I somehow doubt conservatives’ sexual insecurities are going to be the death of Disney. 
I agree, but Do we need Disney to force their beliefs on kids?  Disney has donr a great job turning ESPN into a laughingstock.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I know several who canceled Disney

I don't have it - and will never buy it and will probably not watch anything that I know is Disney again. 

 
I started hating Disney back when they were single-handedly ruining American IP law.  Then my hatred intensified when they defecated on the corpse of the Star Wars franchise.  This "woke Disney" phase feels almost like an afterthought.  

 
I started hating Disney back when they were single-handedly ruining American IP law.  Then my hatred intensified when they defecated on the corpse of the Star Wars franchise.  This "woke Disney" phase feels almost like an afterthought.  
Meh...Lucas did more to screw up that franchise than Disney IMO.  And now what Disney is doing with the Mandalorian, Boba Fett, and upcoming with Obi Wan...its fantastic.

 
I agree, but Do we need Disney to force their beliefs on kids?  Disney has donr a great job turning ESPN into a laughingstock.
Force their beliefs? What beliefs? The existence of LGBTQ people is not a belief. It's a fact. This whole bigoted backlash against "wokeness" really reveals people's character, or lack thereof.

 
Whatever happened with that family whose son was killed by an alligator at Disney World?  Did Disney pay them a lot of hush money to go away? 

 
They have to be making bank with Marvel.
Definitely...or at least easily made back what they paid for it.  IMO, they also did well during the pandemic pushing content to Disney +...would be interesting to dig into how subscriptions to that jumped or held them afloat when parks and movie theatres were a no-go.

 
Force their beliefs? What beliefs? The existence of LGBTQ people is not a belief. It's a fact. This whole bigoted backlash against "wokeness" really reveals people's character, or lack thereof.
I don't think anybody is denying the existing of LGBTQ people.  The bill in question is more about whether those topics should be addressed at the 3rd grade level and below.

If you think we should make a big deal out of LGBTQ-related topics in 3rd grade classrooms, I would encourage you to write to your legislators and have them campaign openly on that issue.  They should put that front and center in their campaign ads.  Since it's a sign of good character and all.  

 
Definitely...or at least easily made back what they paid for it.  IMO, they also did well during the pandemic pushing content to Disney +...would be interesting to dig into how subscriptions to that jumped or held them afloat when parks and movie theatres were a no-go.
The Disney + gets espn+ I think.  If so, with the explosion of soccer content, it’s a big win.  

 
I don't think anybody is denying the existing of LGBTQ people.  The bill in question is more about whether those topics should be addressed at the 3rd grade level and below.

If you think we should make a big deal out of LGBTQ-related topics in 3rd grade classrooms, I would encourage you to write to your legislators and have them campaign openly on that issue.  They should put that front and center in their campaign ads.  Since it's a sign of good character and all.  
GET WOKE SON !

 
Supporting the acknowledgement of the existence of LGBT+ folks is now considered self-destruction of a sterling brand.  :coffee:

 
I don't think anybody is denying the existing of LGBTQ people.  The bill in question is more about whether those topics should be addressed at the 3rd grade level and below.

If you think we should make a big deal out of LGBTQ-related topics in 3rd grade classrooms, I would encourage you to write to your legislators and have them campaign openly on that issue.  They should put that front and center in their campaign ads.  Since it's a sign of good character and all.  
Absolutely baffling that they think this is a winning issue.  

 
The Disney + gets espn+ I think.  If so, with the explosion of soccer content, it’s a big win.  
Yeah...its part of the overall bundles.  We have it and its been useful for hockey games that are not on Ballys now.  And Im sure I will enjoy the soccer content as well.  A decent alternative to those not utilizing Comcast/Dish/Direct and going to streaming stuff to still get sports content.

 
On Truth Social, Dan Bongino posted a Rumble video (so many alt sites), stating Don’t give these people money!! Cancel Disney +
 

All the comments agreeing, and about  20 comments down, someone posts: “Idk if I can cancel Disney+ right now. I really want to see the Kenobi series. I’ll cancel after that.”

I jokingly reply to him: “You have to cancel now to make your point. You can’t enjoy their programming. Join everyone else.”

it’s been my most liked comment on Truth Social. These people aren’t cancelling. Disney+ is the best babysitter from ages 2-60 for every parent out there. 

 
I don't think anybody is denying the existing of LGBTQ people.  The bill in question is more about whether those topics should be addressed at the 3rd grade level and below.

If you think we should make a big deal out of LGBTQ-related topics in 3rd grade classrooms, I would encourage you to write to your legislators and have them campaign openly on that issue.  They should put that front and center in their campaign ads.  Since it's a sign of good character and all.  
My point is it is incredibly damaging to young LGTBQ children to be treated like they are somehow wrong or invalid to feel different than what society portrays as "normal" cisgender heterosexual kids. It leads to long term psychological damage and increases in awful things like attempted suicide rates. I'm not asking for little kids to be exposed to sexual education at the youngest of ages, but some attempt for society at a base level to reassure them at such a crucial developing age that it's OK to be themselves and that every child is valued and loved no matter their gender or orientation. Is that really such a radical idea? How about we think of the children first instead of bowing to the old bigoted folks who have no idea the damage their actions cause our kids?

 
right now, what Disney has is an internal personnel problem that is over bubbling the pot. 

Even back when I worked for the company back in the mid-90's there were a large % of openly gay Cast Members. Disney was always very pro-LGBTQ with their hiring and was one of the very few large corporate enterprises that discriminated even through their senior leadership. 

However since then, Disney as a company has grown almost too large. If you really look at their business property map it would blow your mind.  Likewise, with most of it being in entertainment, you naturally attract a large percentage of talent that also happens to be LGTBQ.

Over the years there has been a push for more inclusivity in all aspects of life—both in sexual orientation and non-caucasion representation—and with Disney being such a large and visible (and wildly profitable), of course they have become a target and a company ripe for "wokeness"  

Now add in a CEO who is brand new and not very well liked, plus a few years where EVERY business was on the brink of dearth and are struggling to reinvent themselves in the pandemic world, and now this (intentionally) controversial bill. All of it equals a recipe where the the employees feel more embolden then the management and are making demands that are eating away at the corporate core structure. 

As anyone who knows me, I am a huge fan, I worked in the parks and in corporate, our family owns/invests in their resort timeshare, we go to the parks often, I have a ton of Disney crap in my office, and I pretty much follow the day-to-day operations. However I can see the cracks starting to form. What stated out as introducing more inclusion, has become "the only way/SOP" and IMO their last selection of movies has not been overly entertaining to me b/c the narratives have become more current events. I know that the latest movie, Encato's music has hit massive ratings, but years ago we were saying the same thing about the Frozen soundtrack. Yes, I understand that princesses and evil queens do not exist, but there is fantasy in there. Even through the 90's of their animation, the Lion King and Aladdin era movies, were about family, overcoming obstacles, living up to who you were supposed to be (or not be). I know. sappy. 

Now they are more focused on cultural shifting and making choices solely on diversity. Almost waving it in conservatives faces. And i'm not saying its bad, but some choices in casting and subjects IMO have been made explicitly for minorities and no one else. And this may not be a popular opinion, but with huge entertainment companies like Disney openly only casting ethnic and minority actors (for many years now, not just today), all while minority actors are still complaining that there is no opportunities out there for them wears thin after a while. Which one is it? 

Regardless of the current situation, I still support Disney as a company. Just like any company they will have their ups and downs and some will hang on for the ride, some will bail and new fans will be added. I think they need to seriously reshape leadership, but with some who will be sympathetic to their CM's but still be able to manage on a corporate level.

 

 
Absolutely baffling that they think this is a winning issue.  
Really. You think they are just doing this on the fly.. They already figured this out.  People who will actually boycott Disney isn't probably a huge part of the American population. And don't forget all the for tourists worldwide who go to their properties. They'll be just fine.

 
“Idk if I can cancel Disney+ right now. I really want to see the Kenobi series. I’ll cancel after that.”
This stuff doesn't bother me. It's the equivalent of "I disagree with Chik Fil A but I still like their sandwich" or "I'm fine with them but I'll never eat there."

 
Supporting the acknowledgement of the existence of LGBT+ folks is now considered self-destruction of a sterling brand.  :coffee:
don't be so obtuse....Disney as a company has always supported LGBT+ rights and has been a welcome place of employment for them. Their "acknowledgement" is nothing new or wrong.

 
“No, Megan. I know you were invited to your best friend’s birthday party at Disneyland, I get that all your friends will be there, but you’re not going. And you don’t get to watch the Disney Channel any more either. And I don’t want to hear any more High School Musical songs either. Oh and forget about Spider-Man: No Way Home; I want that Tom Holland poster gone from your room.” 
 

Good luck with this. 

 
That's why I said they're simply destroying their brand,
Lol. Here’s what’s going to happen: Disney is going to win. 
Disney owns your children. Your children are going to be woke and politically correct because Disney will train them to be that way. You can try to counterprogram but it won’t work. If you try to cancel Disney, you will only be destroying your own personal brand. You’re powerless to stop them. 

 
But they are going down according to OP. 
they are "going down" (as other point out) b/c they have forced management into a corner and the way management is dealing with it is to double down their pushback on an un-winnable and controversial subject that they should not have been involved since day 1. 

timeline: 
• CEO state that they do not agree with the bill but will not interfere (i'm paraphrasing for time) 
• Comes to light that Dis Corp have given financial contributions to certain lawmakers who support the bill (as well as other who oppose it but lets not let ruin a good story) 
• LGBT cast groups push back, threaten walkouts and work stoppages. 
• CEO changes stance, has an internal town hall apologizing and pledging more opposition. 
• In addition to this bill, Disney now starts pushing back on anything presumed anti-LGBT including legal cases in other states  
• Disney send out a release that it will "“to develop action plans to make more LGBT-aware content”

so IMO, they are swinging the pendulum deep far into the LGBTQ side in a "make good" effort for their choice to remain neutral on the bill initially. 

 
they are "going down" (as other point out) b/c they have forced management into a corner and the way management is dealing with it is to double down their pushback on an un-winnable and controversial subject that they should not have been involved since day 1. 

timeline: 
• CEO state that they do not agree with the bill but will not interfere (i'm paraphrasing for time) 
• Comes to light that Dis Corp have given financial contributions to certain lawmakers who support the bill (as well as other who oppose it but lets not let ruin a good story) 
• LGBT cast groups push back, threaten walkouts and work stoppages. 
• CEO changes stance, has an internal town hall apologizing and pledging more opposition. 
• In addition to this bill, Disney now starts pushing back on anything presumed anti-LGBT including legal cases in other states  
• Disney send out a release that it will "“to develop action plans to make more LGBT-aware content”

so IMO, they are swinging the pendulum deep far into the LGBTQ side in a "make good" effort for their choice to remain neutral on the bill initially. 
As I wrote, they will win this battle. 

 
That's why I said they're simply destroying their brand,
Lol. Here’s what’s going to happen: Disney is going to win. 
Disney owns your children. Your children are going to be woke and politically correct because Disney will train them to be that way. You can try to counterprogram but it won’t work. If you try to cancel Disney, you will only be destroying your own personal brand. You’re powerless to stop them. 
Congrats. Every single sentence is wrong. 

 
I started hating Disney back when they were single-handedly ruining American IP law.  Then my hatred intensified when they defecated on the corpse of the Star Wars franchise.  This "woke Disney" phase feels almost like an afterthought.  
To be fair, Lucas defecated on Star Wars long before Disney. Our children will never know that Han shot first.

 
One of the main reasons that LBTQ has made so many strides in recent years is that corporate America supports them. The reason is pretty simple: young people may not vote in large numbers (if they did, progressive Democrats would win every election), but they spend in large numbers and corporations get this and respond to it. 
That’s why all of these attempts to resist woke are doomed to ultimately fail no matter how many temporary victories there are. Young people want it. And like everything else they want in our society they will eventually get it. 

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top