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The FBG Top 300 Books of All Time (fiction edition) | We are currently up to #60 | Running list in posts #3 and #4 (8 Viewers)

Phase 4: Counting down from 100

Two more to enjoy while you binge on chocolate and dyed potatoes.

74The Master and MargaritaMikhail Bulgakovilove80, Oliver Humanzee
The Quiet AmericanGraham Greeneilove80s, chaos34, Mrs.Marco, Oliver Humanzee, krista4

74. The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
ilov80s: #2 :clap:
Oliver Humanzee: #21
Total points: 190
Average: 95.0

74. The Quiet American by Graham Greene


krista4: #16
ilov80s: #32
Mrs.Marco: #32
chaos34: #48
Oliver Humanzee: #52
Total points: 190
Average: 38.0

A #2 from @Ilov80s and our 2nd selection nominated by 5 people (the first was #95 The Road by Cormac McCarthy, that I forgot to point out earlier).
 
A Song of Ice and Fire was rare time where I started and completed a book after seeing the movie/show. I get a bit bored knowing the plot, especially if it is very similar to what I watched. Being fantasy-hesitant, I think it helped a bit hearing the names and getting a feel for the locations. Also it helped knowing that at least to start the fantasy was a bit in the background of the plotting and warring families. Maybe most important it helped that in the show the kids were aged up and I had that in my mind instead of the creepy aged down version in the books.

I got hooked on the first season so much that I had to find out what happened next, and knowing the books were out there I dove in. I remember having #5 in hardcover, so I think I ripped through the books to at least catch up before Season 3, maybe Season 2. By then I was fully one of those annoying book readers in the tv show thread mouthing off. A Clash of Kings was one on my list because it was really the first for me since season 1 was so close to book 1. I loved it and couldn't put the series. I hadn't read that much since the last Harry Potter book came out. I did read and really like the first book of The Kingkiller Chronicle, but I won't bother with 2 knowing that 3 might not come out. That has really made me gun shy about trying other series in the genre. I did read a few books in the Wheel of Time and thought they were good enough, but I could already tell I wasn't getting through 9 more. Only knowing Sanderson's reputation for output and seeing that at least the first part of the series is out did I take a chance on The Stormlight Archive.
A Clash of Kings by George R.R. Martin

I'm not much into the fantasy genre. A couple of good friends had to convince me to read these. Game of Thrones absolutely blew my socks off. I had to keep reading the series. I ranked the first three books in my top 70, I'd probably give them all a 10 out of 10 rating. I'm really glad I read these before I switched to an e-readers, since I was constantly flipping to the back to look at the map or the names of characters from each house. Ironically enough, having to haul these large books while traveling is one of the reasons I switched to an e-reader.

Obviously, I'm very disappointed that I this series hasn't been finished yet. But I'm not sure if I'll read any more if they come out. It's been so long, and for whatever reason I didn't get into books 4 and 5 that much.
I read Tolkien years before ASOIF, but it was Martin that got me into fantasy, or rather grimdark/adult fantasy. I'm worn out with the genre, my tbr list only has two upcoming fantasy titles, Winds and something else. Never found another Martin.
 
A Clash of Kings by George R.R. Martin

I'm not much into the fantasy genre. A couple of good friends had to convince me to read these. Game of Thrones absolutely blew my socks off. I had to keep reading the series. I ranked the first three books in my top 70, I'd probably give them all a 10 out of 10 rating. I'm really glad I read these before I switched to an e-readers, since I was constantly flipping to the back to look at the map or the names of characters from each house. Ironically enough, having to haul these large books while traveling is one of the reasons I switched to an e-reader.

Obviously, I'm very disappointed that I this series hasn't been finished yet. But I'm not sure if I'll read any more if they come out. It's been so long, and for whatever reason I didn't get into books 4 and 5 that much.
In hindsight, I think this one is my favorite volume of the series. I know book one gets a lot of love, and book three would win in a vote. Both are really good. But A Clash Of Kings is where Martin really put the pedal to the metal.

I thought volumes 4 and 5 had his most evocative writing, but they are completely different in tone than the first three.
There were parts of Dance that felt like a bit of a slog but I thought it and Feast were both really good.
 
Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte
I loved this book so much as a teenager, and while I'm not a fan of brooding men these days, I will always have a soft spot for Heathcliff. I've never watched any of the film adaptations because no actor could possibly match the Heathcliff in my mind. All of that said, I think Charlotte wrote the better books. I just read Juliet Barker's massive biography of the Bronte family and really enjoyed reading about their childhood world-building and writing. Today I actually visited the Bronte parsonage in Haworth England and walked out on the moors, fulfilling a lifelong dream. I plan to reread the books and I'm sure I won't be quite as swept away by the romance, but I will always be grateful for the Bronte sisters for making me a lifelong reader--and giving the hope I needed that I, too, could write someday even though I wasn't from "somewhere."
 
Phase 4: Counting down from 100

Two more to enjoy while you binge on chocolate and dyed potatoes.


74The Master and MargaritaMikhail Bulgakovilove80, Oliver Humanzee
The Quiet AmericanGraham Greeneilove80s, chaos34, Mrs.Marco, Oliver Humanzee, krista4

74. The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
ilov80s: #2 :clap:
Oliver Humanzee: #21
Total points: 190
Average: 95.0

74. The Quiet American by Graham Greene

krista4: #16
ilov80s: #32
Mrs.Marco: #32
chaos34: #48
Oliver Humanzee: #52
Total points: 190
Average: 38.0

A #2 from @Ilov80s and our 2nd selection nominated by 5 people (the first was #95 The Road by Cormac McCarthy, that I forgot to point out earlier).
 
Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte
I loved this book so much as a teenager, and while I'm not a fan of brooding men these days, I will always have a soft spot for Heathcliff. I've never watched any of the film adaptations because no actor could possibly match the Heathcliff in my mind. All of that said, I think Charlotte wrote the better books. I just read Juliet Barker's massive biography of the Bronte family and really enjoyed reading about their childhood world-building and writing. Today I actually visited the Bronte parsonage in Haworth England and walked out on the moors, fulfilling a lifelong dream. I plan to reread the books and I'm sure I won't be quite as swept away by the romance, but I will always be grateful for the Bronte sisters for making me a lifelong reader--and giving the hope I needed that I, too, could write someday even though I wasn't from "somewhere."
Actually just picked this up. We have a new very small independent local bookstore and I wanted to get something and I have sent the old 39 movie and while it’s good, I know it couldn’t do justice to the book so I bought me a copy.
 
Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte
I loved this book so much as a teenager, and while I'm not a fan of brooding men these days, I will always have a soft spot for Heathcliff. I've never watched any of the film adaptations because no actor could possibly match the Heathcliff in my mind. All of that said, I think Charlotte wrote the better books. I just read Juliet Barker's massive biography of the Bronte family and really enjoyed reading about their childhood world-building and writing. Today I actually visited the Bronte parsonage in Haworth England and walked out on the moors, fulfilling a lifelong dream. I plan to reread the books and I'm sure I won't be quite as swept away by the romance, but I will always be grateful for the Bronte sisters for making me a lifelong reader--and giving the hope I needed that I, too, could write someday even though I wasn't from "somewhere."
Actually just picked this up. We have a new very small independent local bookstore and I wanted to get something and I have sent the old 39 movie and while it’s good, I know it couldn’t do justice to the book so I bought me a copy.
I bought a new copy today—one free from my asinine adolescent scrawling!
 
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
This is a difficult novel to explain. It’s a supernatural satire of the Soviet Union. Satan and his crew, which includes Behemoth, a hog sized cat that walks on two legs and enjoys guns, cards and a female vampire among others. Meanwhile there’s also a plot covering the trial of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. It’s one of those books you just have to read, a description can’t do it justice. Also interesting note on its history, Bulgakov wrote it over the 30s but died soon after finishing it in 1940. He was only 48. His peers whom he had allowed to read it said it could never be published for fear of what the Soviet government would do their literary circle as retribution for its satire of the atheist nation. Finally in the late 60s his wife was able to get a censored version published and then finally a complete version came out in 1969 and since then it’s become widely hailed as a masterpiece.

Dostoevsky is immortal!
 
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The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
This is a difficult novel to explain. It’s a supernatural satire of the Soviet Union. Satan and his crew, which includes Behemoth, a hog sized cat that walks on two legs and enjoys guns, cards and a female vampire among others. Meanwhile there’s also a plot covering the trial of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. It’s one of those books you just have to read, a description can’t do it justice. Also interesting note on its history, Bulgakov wrote it over the 30s but died soon after finishing it in 1940. He was only 48. His peers whom he had allowed to read it said it could never be published for fear of what the Soviet government would do their literary circle as retribution for its satire of the atheist nation. Finally in the late 60s his was able to get a censored version published and then finally a complete version came out in 1969 and since then it’s become widely hailed as a masterpiece.

Dostoevsky is immortal!
Note to self: pick this one from the ilov80s list.

He had me at Soviet satire and it just got more intriguing from there.
 
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
This is a difficult novel to explain. It’s a supernatural satire of the Soviet Union. Satan and his crew, which includes Behemoth, a hog sized cat that walks on two legs and enjoys guns, cards and a female vampire among others. Meanwhile there’s also a plot covering the trial of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. It’s one of those books you just have to read, a description can’t do it justice. Also interesting note on its history, Bulgakov wrote it over the 30s but died soon after finishing it in 1940. He was only 48. His peers whom he had allowed to read it said it could never be published for fear of what the Soviet government would do their literary circle as retribution for its satire of the atheist nation. Finally in the late 60s his wife was able to get a censored version published and then finally a complete version came out in 1969 and since then it’s become widely hailed as a masterpiece.

Dostoevsky is immortal!
Been on my used book store treasure hunt list for a while.
 
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
This is a difficult novel to explain. It’s a supernatural satire of the Soviet Union. Satan and his crew, which includes Behemoth, a hog sized cat that walks on two legs and enjoys guns, cards and a female vampire among others. Meanwhile there’s also a plot covering the trial of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. It’s one of those books you just have to read, a description can’t do it justice. Also interesting note on its history, Bulgakov wrote it over the 30s but died soon after finishing it in 1940. He was only 48. His peers whom he had allowed to read it said it could never be published for fear of what the Soviet government would do their literary circle as retribution for its satire of the atheist nation. Finally in the late 60s his wife was able to get a censored version published and then finally a complete version came out in 1969 and since then it’s become widely hailed as a masterpiece.

Dostoevsky is immortal!
Been on my used book store treasure hunt list for a while.

There's a rather sketchy e-book version on Amazon for 99 cents. My guess is someone is exploiting the ambiguity of its copyright status. It entered into public domain under Russian copyright laws a few years ago but the Western publication is still under copyright for 35 more year.

I compared the first few pages with the Penguin edition translated by Pevear and Volokhonsky and it appears identical. :oldunsure:
 
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
This is a difficult novel to explain. It’s a supernatural satire of the Soviet Union. Satan and his crew, which includes Behemoth, a hog sized cat that walks on two legs and enjoys guns, cards and a female vampire among others. Meanwhile there’s also a plot covering the trial of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. It’s one of those books you just have to read, a description can’t do it justice. Also interesting note on its history, Bulgakov wrote it over the 30s but died soon after finishing it in 1940. He was only 48. His peers whom he had allowed to read it said it could never be published for fear of what the Soviet government would do their literary circle as retribution for its satire of the atheist nation. Finally in the late 60s his wife was able to get a censored version published and then finally a complete version came out in 1969 and since then it’s become widely hailed as a masterpiece.

Dostoevsky is immortal!
Been on my used book store treasure hunt list for a while.
It's now on my "for later" shelf at the local library online system.
 
Phase 4: Counting down from 100

Let's do 4 today and see how that works out.



73All Quiet on the Western FrontErich Maria Remarqueilove80, Mrs.Marco
72Cloud AtlasDavid Mitchellkupcho1, Dr. Octopus
70WatchmenAlan Moore & Dave Gibbonskupcho1, turnjose7, Eephus
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's NestKen Keseykupcho1, guru_007, krista4, Long Ball Larry

73. All Quiet on the Western Front by Erich Maria Remarque
ilov80s: #8 :clap:
Mrs.Marco: #12
Total points: 191
Average: 95.5

72. Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell
Dr. Octopus: #7 :clap:
kupcho1: #13
Total points: 192
Average: 96.0

70. Watchmen by Alan Moore & Dave Gibbons
turnjose7: #8 :clap:
Eephus: #19
kupcho1: #43
Total points: 194
Average: 64.7

70. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
Long Ball Larry: #9 :clap:
kupcho1: #15
krista4: #59
guru_007: #63
Total points: 194
Average: 48.5

Hey, whaddaya know, it's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest again. Although I have 3 books from my list appearing today, I was not the high ranker for any of them, so I'll defer for a moment to allow those that liked them a little more to chime in if they care to.
 
Hey, whaddaya know, it's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest again. Although I have 3 books from my list appearing today, I was not the high ranker for any of them, so I'll defer for a moment to allow those that liked them a little more to chime in if they care to.
This one would have gotten another ranking if I had somehow not completely forgotten it. This was one of my favorite assigned books in high school, and it even has a nice movie adaptation! Haven't reread it as an adult, though.

Which speaking of, a book which I will be shocked if it isn't ranked I just couldn't connect with at all in high school, but it's so beloved I tried it again in my 30's and... still didn't like it. So something wrong with me, I guess.

My Antonia I read as an adult and it ended up just missing the cut for me. It was an enjoyable read though that I do recommend.
 
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
This is a difficult novel to explain. It’s a supernatural satire of the Soviet Union. Satan and his crew, which includes Behemoth, a hog sized cat that walks on two legs and enjoys guns, cards and a female vampire among others. Meanwhile there’s also a plot covering the trial of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. It’s one of those books you just have to read, a description can’t do it justice. Also interesting note on its history, Bulgakov wrote it over the 30s but died soon after finishing it in 1940. He was only 48. His peers whom he had allowed to read it said it could never be published for fear of what the Soviet government would do their literary circle as retribution for its satire of the atheist nation. Finally in the late 60s his wife was able to get a censored version published and then finally a complete version came out in 1969 and since then it’s become widely hailed as a masterpiece.

Dostoevsky is immortal!
Been on my used book store treasure hunt list for a while.
It's now on my "for later" shelf at the local library online system.
Me too.
 
Phase 4: Counting down from 100

Let's do 4 today and see how that works out.


73All Quiet on the Western FrontErich Maria Remarqueilove80, Mrs.Marco
72Cloud AtlasDavid Mitchellkupcho1, Dr. Octopus
70WatchmenAlan Moore & Dave Gibbonskupcho1, turnjose7, Eephus
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's NestKen Keseykupcho1, guru_007, krista4, Long Ball Larry

73. All Quiet on the Western Front by Erich Maria Remarque
ilov80s: #8 :clap:
Mrs.Marco: #12
Total points: 191
Average: 95.5

72. Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell
Dr. Octopus: #7 :clap:
kupcho1: #13
Total points: 192
Average: 96.0

70. Watchmen by Alan Moore & Dave Gibbons
turnjose7: #8 :clap:
Eephus: #19
kupcho1: #43
Total points: 194
Average: 64.7

70. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
Long Ball Larry: #9 :clap:
kupcho1: #15
krista4: #59
guru_007: #63
Total points: 194
Average: 48.5

Hey, whaddaya know, it's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest again. Although I have 3 books from my list appearing today, I was not the high ranker for any of them, so I'll defer for a moment to allow those that liked them a little more to chime in if they care to.
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Watchmen by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons
Considered by many (most?) to be the greatest graphic novel ever published, Watchmen has been recognized on Time's list of the greatest novels. The title comes from Juvenal's Satire VI which contains the line "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" ("Who watches the watchmen"). It tells the story of an alternate history in which the United States won the Vietnam War but now stands on the brink of almost certain nuclear war with the Soviet Union. Amidst this, flawed superheroes struggle to find their purpose in a changing world and seemingly become the target of an unknown assailant who is trying to wipe them out.

Tons of stuff to love about this. The story and characters are awesome. There are lots of cool little touches including a lot of allusions to Bob Dylan's lyrics. And there is even a nested story, a pirate comic titled Tales of the Black Freighter, which is really good.
 
Watchmen by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons
Considered by many (most?) to be the greatest graphic novel ever published, Watchmen has been recognized on Time's list of the greatest novels. The title comes from Juvenal's Satire VI which contains the line "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" ("Who watches the watchmen"). It tells the story of an alternate history in which the United States won the Vietnam War but now stands on the brink of almost certain nuclear war with the Soviet Union. Amidst this, flawed superheroes struggle to find their purpose in a changing world and seemingly become the target of an unknown assailant who is trying to wipe them out.

Tons of stuff to love about this. The story and characters are awesome. There are lots of cool little touches including a lot of allusions to Bob Dylan's lyrics. And there is even a nested story, a pirate comic titled Tales of the Black Freighter, which is really good.

I read Watchmen when it was originally serialized in 1986. A new issue came out every month or so. Every Tuesday I'd swing by Gary Arlington's little hole in the wall comic book store on 23rd Street to see if it was out yet. There was so much anticipation to see where the story was headed next but it was all word of mouth in those (late) pre-Internet times. I remember there were bigger gaps in the publishing schedule as the series progressed.

turnjose7 has given a good intro to the story but I'll add a few words about Dave Gibbons artwork. The page layouts for Watchmen were beautiful and the panels were composed and edited like a movie. The overhead establishing panels predated the now ubiquitous drone shots in modern movies. The art of The Tales of the Black Freighter were a throwback to the golden age and were a great contrast to the more realistic style of the main story.
 
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I read Watchmen issue by issue as it first appeared in comic book form. The year it appeared, 1986, also saw the release of The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller and Maus by Art Spiegelman. These three are generally considered to be the three greatest comic books of all time and that year the greatest year for comics of all time.
 
I read Watchmen issue by issue as it first appeared in comic book form. The year it appeared, 1986, also saw the release of The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller and Maus by Art Spiegelman. These three are generally considered to be the three greatest comic books of all time and that year the greatest year for comics of all time.

Elektra Assassin by Frank Miller and Bill Sienkiewicz also came out in 1986.
 
Cloud Atlas (#13) was my introduction to David Mitchell's work, and it was the first of many of his novels that I've enjoyed over the years. Wiki has a nice description of how the plot unfolds:
The book consists of six nested stories; each is read or observed by the protagonist of the next, progressing in time through the central sixth story. The first five stories are each interrupted at a pivotal moment. After the sixth story, the others are resolved in reverse chronological order.
The book combines metafiction, historical fiction, contemporary fiction and science fiction
Yep, that's my jam.

The book is far more than just its structure. There are several things that tie the 6 stories together, one of which is a common birthmark. Each of the stories differ in genre ranging from mystery, to conspiracy thriller, to science fiction to post-apocalyptic.

Here's an interesting tidbit involving John Lennon and a Japanese composer, of which I was unaware:
In an interview with The Paris Review, Mitchell said that the book's title was inspired by the music of the same name by Japanese composer Toshi Ichiyanagi: "I bought the CD just because of that track's beautiful title." Mitchell's previous novel, number9dream, was inspired by music by John Lennon. Both Ichiyanagi and Lennon were husbands of Yoko Ono, and Mitchell has said this fact "pleases me ... though I couldn't duplicate the pattern indefinitely." He has stated that the title and the book address reincarnation and the universality of human nature, with the title referring to both changing elements (a "cloud") and constants (the "atlas").

All of his books seem to tie together in one way or another. He's a little like Stephenson in that regard.

I've never seen the movie, but I understand it was all that well received (I could be mistaken). If you've seen the movie and not read the book, I highly recommend it.
 
Doing a little catch-up after not being around yesterday or today. OH and I have three from the last two days:

The Master and Margarita - #21 on OH's list, but 80s has already done a great write-up of it.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - #59 on my list, but two others have it substantially higher than I do, so I'll defer to them.

That leaves me with The Quiet American by Graham Greene, where I was the high ranker at #16. I hope that others will talk about this book as well, because my reason for loving it is particularly personal to me and not based entirely on the quality of the novel itself. As I mentioned when writing about The Things They Carried, my college focus was on the history and politics of 20th century United States, and I spent a lot of time studying and being fascinated by the Vietnam War, and consequently Vietnam itself. In the years after that, my interest in Vietnam only increased, and I soaked up as much of their culture that I could.

This all culminated in Vietnam becoming the first country outside of North America and Europe that I ever visited (and led to additional visits as well). When we first visited Saigon, we stayed at a hotel in the same block as the Continental Hotel, which features heavily in this book. Of course, we went and had drinks there, as well as on the rooftop of the Hotel Majestic, which is also in the book. And what I found was that Greene absolutely nailed the "feel" of Vietnam, even now. It's very difficult to describe, because it's obviously a very different place now, but the way the people are, the beauty of the place, just the sense you have while being there. It's like the country has progressed in so many ways but retained the essential, amazing spirit it always had. Greene gave us a perfectly realized setting, and since I love Vietnam so much, I love the book.

As for more "standard" praise, Greene is a technically excellent writer, and the book was not just a cautionary tale about "taking sides" and shifting morality, but turned out to be quite prophetic. Sadly. Also it has a perfect ending.

KP alert: It's only 180 pages. And IIRC, the movie with Michael Caine was quite a good adaptation. I didn't see the first movie adaptation.

OH adds: I think it might be his least Catholic novel. Nobody seemed wracked with guilt. Especially the main British guy, who I assume to be a stand-in for Greene. I like his noir-ish thrillers more than his "tortured dudes" novels.
 
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
This is a difficult novel to explain. It’s a supernatural satire of the Soviet Union. Satan and his crew, which includes Behemoth, a hog sized cat that walks on two legs and enjoys guns, cards and a female vampire among others. Meanwhile there’s also a plot covering the trial of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. It’s one of those books you just have to read, a description can’t do it justice. Also interesting note on its history, Bulgakov wrote it over the 30s but died soon after finishing it in 1940. He was only 48. His peers whom he had allowed to read it said it could never be published for fear of what the Soviet government would do their literary circle as retribution for its satire of the atheist nation. Finally in the late 60s his was able to get a censored version published and then finally a complete version came out in 1969 and since then it’s become widely hailed as a masterpiece.

Dostoevsky is immortal!
Note to self: pick this one from the ilov80s list.

He had me at Soviet satire and it just got more intriguing from there.
Important to note that it is totally enjoyable as a wildly fantastic work of imagination without being fully aware of it as satire.
 
Watchmen by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons
Considered by many (most?) to be the greatest graphic novel ever published, Watchmen has been recognized on Time's list of the greatest novels. The title comes from Juvenal's Satire VI which contains the line "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" ("Who watches the watchmen"). It tells the story of an alternate history in which the United States won the Vietnam War but now stands on the brink of almost certain nuclear war with the Soviet Union. Amidst this, flawed superheroes struggle to find their purpose in a changing world and seemingly become the target of an unknown assailant who is trying to wipe them out.

Tons of stuff to love about this. The story and characters are awesome. There are lots of cool little touches including a lot of allusions to Bob Dylan's lyrics. And there is even a nested story, a pirate comic titled Tales of the Black Freighter, which is really good.

Not a graphic novel guy but I really enjoyed this. Fascinated with Dr. Manhattan's philosophy.
 
The Quiet American by Graham Greene
I’ve been to Vietnam many times. Will definitely check out this book.
I’ll just add that it’s incredibly prophetic and critical of the American interventionist attitudes of the time. Greene published it in 1955 and honestly if you didn’t know better you would assume it was written in 1975 with total hindsight. It’s supposed to be one of Greene’s lighter entertainments but don’t be fooled this is exciting and genius writing on global affairs. There’s nothing throwaway about this.

Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world, meaning no harm.
 
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Phase 4: Counting down from 100

Here's another 4; discusss amongst yourselves.

69Native SonRichard WrightOliver Humanzee, krista4
68For Whom the Bell TollsErnest Hemingwayilove80s, chaos34, Mrs.Marco, Don Quixote, Dr_Zaius
67Breakfast of ChampionsKurt Vonnegutilove80s, chaos34, rockaction, shuke
66Fahrenheit 451Ray BradburyDr. Octopus, Dr_Zaius, rockaction

69. Native Son by Richard Wright
Oliver Humanzee: #5 :clap:
krista4: #14
Total points: 198
Average: 99.0

68. For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway

Mrs.Marco: #15
Dr_Zaius: #21
ilov80s: #37
chaos34: #37
Don Quixote: #68
Total points: 200
Average: 40.0

67. Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut
ilove80s: #9 :clap:
shuke: #29
chaos34: #32
rockaction: #50
Total points: 202
Average: 50.5

66. Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury
Dr_Zaius: #9 :clap:
rockaction: #16
Dr. Octopus: #30
Total points: 211
Average: 70.3

I think this is the first time the two Doctors have agreed on a book. Three of the four books today had one participant put them in their top 10. The other, For Whom the Bell Tolls, was ranked by 5, but none in the top 10.

For those of you keeping score at home, that's 4 books (so far) for Kurt Vonnegut. I like his work, but I had no idea he'd be this popular in the rankings.
 
Phase 4: Counting down from 100

Here's another 4; discusss amongst yourselves.


69Native SonRichard WrightOliver Humanzee, krista4
68For Whom the Bell TollsErnest Hemingwayilove80s, chaos34, Mrs.Marco, Don Quixote, Dr_Zaius
67Breakfast of ChampionsKurt Vonnegutilove80s, chaos34, rockaction, shuke
66Fahrenheit 451Ray BradburyDr. Octopus, Dr_Zaius, rockaction

69. Native Son by Richard Wright
Oliver Humanzee: #5 :clap:
krista4: #14
Total points: 198
Average: 99.0

68. For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway

Mrs.Marco: #15
Dr_Zaius: #21
ilov80s: #37
chaos34: #37
Don Quixote: #68
Total points: 200
Average: 40.0

67. Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut
ilove80s: #9 :clap:
shuke: #29
chaos34: #32
rockaction: #50
Total points: 202
Average: 50.5

66. Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury
Dr_Zaius: #9 :clap:
rockaction: #16
Dr. Octopus: #30
Total points: 211
Average: 70.3

I think this is the first time the two Doctors have agreed on a book. Three of the four books today had one participant put them in their top 10. The other, For Whom the Bell Tolls, was ranked by 5, but none in the top 10.

For those of you keeping score at home, that's 4 books (so far) for Kurt Vonnegut. I like his work, but I had no idea he'd be this popular in the rankings.
I had been setting in default no color, but I’m going to repost in black to annoy dark mode readers.
 
I know the book is a little controversial, but I'm really surprised that OH and I were the only ones with Native Son on our lists. I'll let him cover that one since it was his #5. No cooking until Friday, so he'll have to write it up himself. :lol:
 
Doing a little catch-up after not being around yesterday or today. OH and I have three from the last two days:

The Master and Margarita - #21 on OH's list, but 80s has already done a great write-up of it.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - #59 on my list, but two others have it substantially higher than I do, so I'll defer to them.

That leaves me with The Quiet American by Graham Greene, where I was the high ranker at #16. I hope that others will talk about this book as well, because my reason for loving it is particularly personal to me and not based entirely on the quality of the novel itself. As I mentioned when writing about The Things They Carried, my college focus was on the history and politics of 20th century United States, and I spent a lot of time studying and being fascinated by the Vietnam War, and consequently Vietnam itself. In the years after that, my interest in Vietnam only increased, and I soaked up as much of their culture that I could.

This all culminated in Vietnam becoming the first country outside of North America and Europe that I ever visited (and led to additional visits as well). When we first visited Saigon, we stayed at a hotel in the same block as the Continental Hotel, which features heavily in this book. Of course, we went and had drinks there, as well as on the rooftop of the Hotel Majestic, which is also in the book. And what I found was that Greene absolutely nailed the "feel" of Vietnam, even now. It's very difficult to describe, because it's obviously a very different place now, but the way the people are, the beauty of the place, just the sense you have while being there. It's like the country has progressed in so many ways but retained the essential, amazing spirit it always had. Greene gave us a perfectly realized setting, and since I love Vietnam so much, I love the book.

As for more "standard" praise, Greene is a technically excellent writer, and the book was not just a cautionary tale about "taking sides" and shifting morality, but turned out to be quite prophetic. Sadly. Also it has a perfect ending.

KP alert: It's only 180 pages. And IIRC, the movie with Michael Caine was quite a good adaptation. I didn't see the first movie adaptation.

OH adds: I think it might be his least Catholic novel. Nobody seemed wracked with guilt. Especially the main British guy, who I assume to be a stand-in for Greene. I like his noir-ish thrillers more than his "tortured dudes" novels.
I love how travel makes reading great--and vice versa. I loved the novel for the way it showed another perspective, one that I hadn't encountered as often.
 
All Quiet on the Western Front by Erich Maria

I chose this book because it remains one of the best war novels told with ghastly details that have stayed with me for years now. Growing up as the granddaughter of a WWII veteran, it was also one of the first experiences I had thinking about the German perspective (the novel takes place during WWI) and showed me the importance of understanding both sides of any kind of conflict. That is a lesson I've taken forward with me in my adult life.
 
For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway

I first read Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea in high school and found it pretty boring, being too young for the book. I didn't really get the fuss in college either, as I read a couple of his other novels, plus it was the fashion to dislike the way he portrayed women. I bought For Whom the Bell Tolls at Hemingway's house in Key West (while petting a six-toed cat) and the staff stamped the book, so I decided to dive into it. I understood FINALLY the power of his short sentences and I wasn't bothered by the depiction of women because I felt like it really rang true to character, even the melodrama. I think I read the book at the right time for me.
 
I know the book is a little controversial, but I'm really surprised that OH and I were the only ones with Native Son on our lists. I'll let him cover that one since it was his #5. No cooking until Friday, so he'll have to write it up himself. :lol:
I really enjoyed Native Son. It was an eye opener for me. Just didn’t think about it when I made my list.
My own list doesn’t have a lot of books I would consider “classics” on it even though I’ve read and enjoyed quite a few. Not sure why other than I rarely seem to read them more than once unlike popular novels I love which I’ve read over and over.
 
For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway

I first read Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea in high school and found it pretty boring, being too young for the book. I didn't really get the fuss in college either, as I read a couple of his other novels, plus it was the fashion to dislike the way he portrayed women. I bought For Whom the Bell Tolls at Hemingway's house in Key West (while petting a six-toed cat) and the staff stamped the book, so I decided to dive into it. I understood FINALLY the power of his short sentences and I wasn't bothered by the depiction of women because I felt like it really rang true to character, even the melodrama. I think I read the book at the right time for me.
Not sure how many fantasy fans know this, but the author of The Wheel of Time took his pen name from the main character of For Whom the Bell Tolls, Robert Jordan
 
All Quiet on the Western Front by Erich Maria

I chose this book because it remains one of the best war novels told with ghastly details that have stayed with me for years now. Growing up as the granddaughter of a WWII veteran, it was also one of the first experiences I had thinking about the German perspective (the novel takes place during WWI) and showed me the importance of understanding both sides of any kind of conflict. That is a lesson I've taken forward with me in my adult life.
I read this at just the right time. 18 years old and my girlfriend bought me a copy because she said it was so good. She was right, I devoured it and found the ideas appealing to my absolute core. It probably had as much of an effect on me as anything I’ve read.

This book is to be neither an accusation nor a confession, and least of all an adventure, for death is not an adventure to those who stand face to face with it. It will try simply to tell of a generation of men who, even though they may have escaped shells, were destroyed by the war.
 
For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway

I first read Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea in high school and found it pretty boring, being too young for the book. I didn't really get the fuss in college either, as I read a couple of his other novels, plus it was the fashion to dislike the way he portrayed women. I bought For Whom the Bell Tolls at Hemingway's house in Key West (while petting a six-toed cat) and the staff stamped the book, so I decided to dive into it. I understood FINALLY the power of his short sentences and I wasn't bothered by the depiction of women because I felt like it really rang true to character, even the melodrama. I think I read the book at the right time for me.
Another war novel, this one is definitely an adventure. The bizarre literal Spanish to English translation can be off putting to some people but I didn’t mind it. This was just great heroic story telling from one of the masters. For anyone who doesn’t know, this about an American volunteer in the Spanish Civil War assigned to dynamite a Nationalist bridge.

“Are you a communist?"
"No I am an anti-fascist"
"For a long time?"
"Since I have understood fascism.”
 
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For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway

I first read Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea in high school and found it pretty boring, being too young for the book. I didn't really get the fuss in college either, as I read a couple of his other novels, plus it was the fashion to dislike the way he portrayed women. I bought For Whom the Bell Tolls at Hemingway's house in Key West (while petting a six-toed cat) and the staff stamped the book, so I decided to dive into it. I understood FINALLY the power of his short sentences and I wasn't bothered by the depiction of women because I felt like it really rang true to character, even the melodrama. I think I read the book at the right time for me.
I ranked it #68 (hey, matching its rank here). But probably should have been higher. Read it 15-20 years ago, and remember really liking it at the time and thought it was my favorite Hemingway. But I was struggling giving it a higher ranking because it has been that long since I read it, and could not remember a whole lot of what I liked about it. Due for a re-read, but my to-read list is getting longer as the thread goes on.
 
For anyone who doesn’t know, this about an American volunteer in the Spanish American War assigned to dynamite a Nationalist bridge.

With an epic ending, fresh for its time, but worn out by copycats. The title came from Donne's poem I was once forced to memorize.

No man is an island,
Entire of itself;
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.

If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less,
As well as if a promontory were:
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were.

Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
 
I don't know where to start with Breakfast of Champions, but I'd gladly have krista and OH over for dinner so she could ask him about it while he cooks (assuming he's read it). Rock, shuke, 80s and me. I like the company and vote for rock to do the write-up.
 
I don't know where to start with Breakfast of Champions, but I'd gladly have krista and OH over for dinner so she could ask him about it while he cooks (assuming he's read it). Rock, shuke, 80s and me. I like the company and vote for rock to do the write-up.
He may have been booted for his Trump thread or maybe it's a self imposed hiatus - I haven't seen him around since.
 
I don't know where to start with Breakfast of Champions, but I'd gladly have krista and OH over for dinner so she could ask him about it while he cooks (assuming he's read it). Rock, shuke, 80s and me. I like the company and vote for rock to do the write-up.
He may have been booted for his Trump thread or maybe it's a self imposed hiatus - I haven't seen him around since.

Sorry I missed that. My approach to politics is not to approach them. Not just here but pretty much everywhere.

Aight. Breakfast of Champions. With simplified prose Vonnegutt pulls a little bit of a Hemingway but as only he could with a twisty turny satire where he imposes himself as the narrator to explore the writing process. Believe that's called meta-fiction. He also explores American culture's obsession with wealth and consumerism that portrays the mental health of society through one tragic character. It's not just more timely now than then, but maybe more prophetic than Orwell. And it's Kurt. So it's funny and there's sci-fi. My 2nd favorite of 4 Vonnegutt's on my list.
 
I don't know where to start with Breakfast of Champions, but I'd gladly have krista and OH over for dinner so she could ask him about it while he cooks (assuming he's read it). Rock, shuke, 80s and me. I like the company and vote for rock to do the write-up.
He may have been booted for his Trump thread or maybe it's a self imposed hiatus - I haven't seen him around since.

Sorry I missed that. My approach to politics is not to approach them. Not just here but pretty much everywhere.

Aight. Breakfast of Champions. With simplified prose Vonnegutt pulls a little bit of a Hemingway but as only he could with a twisty turny satire where he imposes himself as the narrator to explore the writing process. Believe that's called meta-fiction. He also explores American culture's obsession with wealth and consumerism that portrays the mental health of society through one tragic character. It's not just more timely now than then, but maybe more prophetic than Orwell. And it's Kurt. So it's funny and there's sci-fi. My 2nd favorite of 4 Vonnegutt's on my list.
Yep it’s Vonnegut so it’s funny and weird. It’s about consumerism, the faults with modernism, racism, etc. I love this book though KV gave a report card on all his works and this got a C which is just another funny thing I love about the guy.

Kilgore Trout once wrote a short story which was a dialogue between two pieces of yeast. They were discussing the possible purposes of life as they ate sugar and suffocated in their own excrement. Because of their limited intelligence, they never came close to guessing that they were making champagne.
 
I don't know where to start with Breakfast of Champions, but I'd gladly have krista and OH over for dinner so she could ask him about it while he cooks (assuming he's read it). Rock, shuke, 80s and me. I like the company and vote for rock to do the write-up.

I don't think he and I have ever talked about this one. I've read it and liked it a lot, but I think I might enjoy Vonnegut more than he does. I have "that other one" slightly higher than he does on our lists, and Cat's Cradle was also one of my last cuts.
 
Hey guys, sorry I haven’t been around nor will I be. I’ve been reading for about a year about our political situation and we’re not allowed to discuss it here. To me, that’s a rule I now find untenable. Joe can do with his board as he sees fit; I see a possible neo-fascist takeover in the face of creeping awful leftism. I am no left-winger, so me saying this is fascist has taken a lot of overcoming dissonance—I was part of the right and formerly worked at AEI for five years for serious, higher-level right wing policy makers. Judge Wilkinson’s (Reagan appointee who is ultra conservative) recent ruling in the 4th Circuit should start you down the path of wondering whether I’m overreacting.

Check these names and their roles in the administration: Curtis Yarvin, Peter Thiel, Stephen Miller, Russ Vought. Go from there. Peace and be very careful out there and online. Peace, rockaction.
 
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