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wasn't Obama against gay marriage in 2010? should he have been fired back then? just sayin :shrug:

anyway.. where is my fern.. and my glass of Merlot.. I want my Merlot dammit

 
McCarthyism 2014.
While I wholeheartedly agree that any calling to look people up, not to say actually look to damage their life in any way is pretty damned awful.

But just how is this the McCarthy era ? Cause I think that's just being bombastic on the other side of the issue.

 
"I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."

Between 1949 and 1954, 109 investigations were carried out by the House Committee on Un-American Activities, the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, and the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.

The government wasn't involved in Eich's resignation. Nice try, but your analogy is devoid of historical knowledge and lends itself to hysteria. But I must say its quite enjoyable when conservatives whine when the Invisible Hand of the Free Market refuses to give a jerk job in their direction.

 
McCarthyism 2014.
While I wholeheartedly agree that any calling to look people up, not to say actually look to damage their life in any way is pretty damned awful.

But just how is this the McCarthy era ? Cause I think that's just being bombastic on the other side of the issue.
are you now or have you ever been opposed to gay marriage?

 
McCarthyism 2014.
While I wholeheartedly agree that any calling to look people up, not to say actually look to damage their life in any way is pretty damned awful.

But just how is this the McCarthy era ? Cause I think that's just being bombastic on the other side of the issue.
are you now or have you ever been opposed to gay marriage?
So are you suggesting that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.

 
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"I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."

Between 1949 and 1954, 109 investigations were carried out by the House Committee on Un-American Activities, the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, and the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.

The government wasn't involved in Eich's resignation. Nice try, but your analogy is devoid of historical knowledge and lends itself to hysteria. But I must say its quite enjoyable when conservatives whine when the Invisible Hand of the Free Market refuses to give a jerk job in their direction.
"In 2001, James Barron, a staff reporter for the New York Times, identified what he called a "growing consensus that Hiss, indeed, had most likely been a Soviet agent".

 
McCarthyism 2014.
While I wholeheartedly agree that any calling to look people up, not to say actually look to damage their life in any way is pretty damned awful.

But just how is this the McCarthy era ? Cause I think that's just being bombastic on the other side of the issue.
are you now or have you ever been opposed to gay marriage?
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?

 
McCarthyism 2014.
While I wholeheartedly agree that any calling to look people up, not to say actually look to damage their life in any way is pretty damned awful.

But just how is this the McCarthy era ? Cause I think that's just being bombastic on the other side of the issue.
are you now or have you ever been opposed to gay marriage?
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?
It can be today or even tomorrow.

 
Here's a database of 35,000 bigots who donated to Prop 8. Including their employers. Let's work to get them all fired.

Some of my colleagues are celebrating. They call Eich a bigot who got what he deserved. I agree. But let’s not stop here. If we’re serious about enforcing the new standard, thousands of other employees who donated to the same anti-gay ballot measure must be punished.
More than 35,000 people gave money to the campaign for Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that declared, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” You can download the entire list, via the Los Angeles Times, as a compressed spreadsheet. (Click the link that says, “Download CSV.”) Each row lists the donor’s employer. If you organize the data by company, you can add up the total number of donors and dollars that came from people associated with that company.
The first thing you’ll notice, if you search for Eich, is that he’s the only Mozilla employee who gave to the campaign for Prop 8. His $1,000 was more than canceled out by three Mozilla employees who donated to the other side.
The next thing you’ll notice is that other companies, including other tech firms, substantially outscored Mozilla in pro-Prop 8 contributions attributed to their employees. That includes Adobe, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, and Yahoo, as well as Disney, DreamWorks, Gap, and Warner Bros.
Thirty-seven companies in the database are linked to more than 1,300 employees who gave nearly $1 million in combined contributions to the campaign for Prop 8. Twenty-five tech companies are linked to 435 employees who gave more than $300,000. Many of these employees gave $1,000 apiece, if not more. Some, like Eich, are probably senior executives.
Why do these bigots still have jobs? Let’s go get them.
And how many of them would donate to a similar ballot initiative today? Or publically support it? Attitudes have changed dramatically towards gay marraige in California (and the nation) since 2008. While 52% voted for the initiative then, probably only 31% would now (according the Field poll I cited above) .

Also as Kos pointed out in the article I linked, the problem with Eich wasn't really that he had supported Prop 8, it was that "he hasn't "evolved" since 2008, like so much of America." I seriously doubt you will see the "gay mafia" go after these other contributors.
But if, say, a similar initiative gets on the ballot in 2014, and the list of supporters is published, would it be OK hunt down people who were on both lists?
Yes, the financial supporters of a similar initiative in 2014 would be fair game, as would those who donated against it if the religious right would not want to support their businesses. It cuts both ways, it is a matter of public record in California who donates to the initiatives, so supporters of gay marriage might feel the wrath of the "anti-gay mafia"
I think this is wrong no matter how you slice it. It shouldn't happen for either side.

And I can guarantee if a conservative group published a list of people that supported a more liberal leaning bill and then said "let's go get them". It would be the top story on every MSM outlet about people being intimidated and boycotted because of their political views.

 
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McCarthyism 2014.
While I wholeheartedly agree that any calling to look people up, not to say actually look to damage their life in any way is pretty damned awful.But just how is this the McCarthy era ? Cause I think that's just being bombastic on the other side of the issue.
are you now or have you ever been opposed to gay marriage?
No.

I also don't hold a grudge against those who once did but have grown to recognize that, even if allowing for gay marriage does not abide by their personal morality, it's wrong to deny freedom and equal rights.

 
McCarthyism 2014.
While I wholeheartedly agree that any calling to look people up, not to say actually look to damage their life in any way is pretty damned awful.But just how is this the McCarthy era ? Cause I think that's just being bombastic on the other side of the issue.
are you now or have you ever been opposed to gay marriage?
So are you suggesting that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
I know many who take issue with Obama on this, and in fact I believe it was discussed in these very boards. He was a coward on this issue.

Although I didn't vote for him personally in the last election, I know many who did that did not like his weak stance toward gay marriage.

 
Can we just really call it like it is? The term "bigot" pretty much means anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives.

 
are you now or have you ever been opposed to gay marriage?
So are you suggesting that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
I know many who take issue with Obama on this, and in fact I believe it was discussed in these very boards. He was a coward on this issue.

Although I didn't vote for him personally in the last election, I know many who did that did not like his weak stance toward gay marriage.
And as a progressive, I was one of them. It was cowardly, but, understandable, similar to Hillary's vote for the Iraqi war (which is now also completely forgiven by the left). Not ideally what I wanted, but you take the candidate's views overall, not just disqualifying them over one issue.

 
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McCarthyism 2014.
While I wholeheartedly agree that any calling to look people up, not to say actually look to damage their life in any way is pretty damned awful.

But just how is this the McCarthy era ? Cause I think that's just being bombastic on the other side of the issue.
are you now or have you ever been opposed to gay marriage?
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?
It can be today or even tomorrow.
I guess i missed all of those posts you made in 2008 and 2012 saying "well he's a bigot, but I'm still going to campaign for him and vote for him."

 
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?
It can be today or even tomorrow.
I guess i missed all of those posts you made in 2008 and 2012 saying "well he's a bigot, but I'm still going to campaign for him and vote for him."
If you want to look it up, I said that I disagreed with his stance on gay marriage, but still supported him.

 
McCarthyism 2014.
While I wholeheartedly agree that any calling to look people up, not to say actually look to damage their life in any way is pretty damned awful.

But just how is this the McCarthy era ? Cause I think that's just being bombastic on the other side of the issue.
are you now or have you ever been opposed to gay marriage?
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?
It can be today or even tomorrow.
I guess i missed all of those posts you made in 2008 and 2012 saying "well he's a bigot, but I'm still going to campaign for him and vote for him."
Actually, IIRC, you will find a number of posts by various people straight up calling Obama out on this issue.

Now, I understand that distorting the story to "help" your cause may seem like a smart tactic, but it really just undermines the legitimate issues you may bring up (like the fact that Obama was on the wrong side of the gay marriage issue, and was terribly cowardly in how slowly he came around on it, and only after public support seemed inevitable), but you are certainly not dumb enough to think that an election gives you the option of picking a candidate that you support on 100% of the issues.

Come one, don't play us dumb, here, it only looks the opposite.

You have a choice. More often than not, the lesser of two pretty unimpressive candidates that are far more alike at root than different. At least we had GJ this past election as an option. And I don't believe in his policies 100% either. It's the reluctant choice at the end of the day in most elections.

 
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?
It can be today or even tomorrow.
I guess i missed all of those posts you made in 2008 and 2012 saying "well he's a bigot, but I'm still going to campaign for him and vote for him."
If you want to look it up, I said that I disagreed with his stance on gay marriage, but still supported him.
So you support bigots then?
 
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?
It can be today or even tomorrow.
I guess i missed all of those posts you made in 2008 and 2012 saying "well he's a bigot, but I'm still going to campaign for him and vote for him."
If you want to look it up, I said that I disagreed with his stance on gay marriage, but still supported him.
so in one situation you can "disagree with his stance" and in another similar situation the guy should be labeled a bigot and run out of a job....

 
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?
It can be today or even tomorrow.
I guess i missed all of those posts you made in 2008 and 2012 saying "well he's a bigot, but I'm still going to campaign for him and vote for him."
If you want to look it up, I said that I disagreed with his stance on gay marriage, but still supported him.
How much research into the Mozilla CEO's other positions was done before the masses started calling for his ouster? What if this was the only blot on his resume? And he spent all his free time saving baby dolphins and farming free-range cabbage?

 
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?

It can be today or even tomorrow.
I guess i missed all of those posts you made in 2008 and 2012 saying "well he's a bigot, but I'm still going to campaign for him and vote for him."
If you want to look it up, I said that I disagreed with his stance on gay marriage, but still supported him.
So you support bigots then?
Yes, sometimes I do support those who have a bigoted opinion on an issue. I won't dispute that Obama was bigoted on this issue in the past.

 
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?
It can be today or even tomorrow.
I guess i missed all of those posts you made in 2008 and 2012 saying "well he's a bigot, but I'm still going to campaign for him and vote for him."
If you want to look it up, I said that I disagreed with his stance on gay marriage, but still supported him.
How much research into the Mozilla CEO's other positions was done before the masses started calling for his ouster? What if this was the only blot on his resume? And he spent all his free time saving baby dolphins and farming free-range cabbage?
From what I have heard, he is a great guy, generous and thoughtful.

On this particular issue, not so much. What really confused me is I was under the impression that many just wanted an apology but he would not give it. :shrug:

And most importantly, as noted even in this thread, there were other issues altogether why many on the board did not want to go in this direction (and in fact some stepped off the board).

 
So you are saying that liberals/progressives now have a problem with Obama with his past views on gay marriage? If so, please provide some links.
what was the deadline for one to evolve their posttion?
It can be today or even tomorrow.
I guess i missed all of those posts you made in 2008 and 2012 saying "well he's a bigot, but I'm still going to campaign for him and vote for him."
If you want to look it up, I said that I disagreed with his stance on gay marriage, but still supported him.
so in one situation you can "disagree with his stance" and in another similar situation the guy should be labeled a bigot and run out of a job....
I disagreed with his stance and don't dispute that he should be labeled a bigot for that, but it was not a deal breaker with me voting for him.

 
Too many level heads discussing salient points up in here.

Bring back the poor little fella!

 
according to scoresman if you don't support gay marriage you have to be an anti-gay bigot AND you are a conservative christian, LOL how much CNN do you think this guy watches ? baaaaa
Pretty much.
or it could be someone that agrees with this "Marriage is based on the truth that men and women are complementary, the biological fact that reproduction depends on a man and a woman, and the reality that children need a mother and a father. Redefining marriage does not simply expand the existing understanding of marriage; it rejects these truths."

 
For all the preaching, posturing and finger-pointing at gays for undermining traditional marriage, evangelical Christians have a higher divorce rate than nonelivers, according to report by Baylor University's Council on Contemporary Families.

"Conservative Protestants and Black Protestants are more likely than the average American to be divorced, with 17.2 percent and 15.7 percent of their populations being currently divorced, respectively," the report says. "Indeed, Evangelical Protestants are more likely to be divorced than Americans who claim no religion."
:coffee:


 
For all the preaching, posturing and finger-pointing at gays for undermining traditional marriage, evangelical Christians have a higher divorce rate than nonelivers, according to report by Baylor University's Council on Contemporary Families.

"Conservative Protestants and Black Protestants are more likely than the average American to be divorced, with 17.2 percent and 15.7 percent of their populations being currently divorced, respectively," the report says. "Indeed, Evangelical Protestants are more likely to be divorced than Americans who claim no religion."
:coffee:
"Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children."

 
For all the preaching, posturing and finger-pointing at gays for undermining traditional marriage, evangelical Christians have a higher divorce rate than nonelivers, according to report by Baylor University's Council on Contemporary Families.

"Conservative Protestants and Black Protestants are more likely than the average American to be divorced, with 17.2 percent and 15.7 percent of their populations being currently divorced, respectively," the report says. "Indeed, Evangelical Protestants are more likely to be divorced than Americans who claim no religion."
:coffee:
"Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children."
Wait, is this thread about the Gay Mafia or the Catholic Church?

 
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For all the preaching, posturing and finger-pointing at gays for undermining traditional marriage, evangelical Christians have a higher divorce rate than nonelivers, according to report by Baylor University's Council on Contemporary Families.

"Conservative Protestants and Black Protestants are more likely than the average American to be divorced, with 17.2 percent and 15.7 percent of their populations being currently divorced, respectively," the report says. "Indeed, Evangelical Protestants are more likely to be divorced than Americans who claim no religion."
:coffee:
"Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children."
Family Research Council distorts researcher’s work a decade after he demanded a retraction

June 10, 2002
Timothy J. Dailey, Ph.D.
FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL
801 G Street N.W.
Washington, DC 2001

Dear Dr. Dailey:

On the web site www.frc.org you reference my work in your article on “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse”. I am writing you to object to my name and research being associated in any way, shape, or form to lend legitimacy to the views proposed in your paper.

If you are, in fact, familiar with my research, you must realize that my studies have indicated that homosexual males pose less risk of sexual harm to children (both male and female)—from both an absolute and a percentage incidence rate—than heterosexual males. Your statement that “the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners” appears to come from the assumption that if an adult male is attracted to a male child, this adult male’s sexual orientation is ipso facto homosexual.

Since your report, in my view, misrepresents the facts of what we know about this matter from scientific investigation, and does not indicate that my studies on this topic reach conclusions diametrically opposed to yours; I would appreciate your removing any reference to my work in your paper lest it appear to the reader that my research supports your views.

Yours truly,
A. Nicholas Groth, Ph.D.
 
For all the preaching, posturing and finger-pointing at gays for undermining traditional marriage, evangelical Christians have a higher divorce rate than nonelivers, according to report by Baylor University's Council on Contemporary Families.

"Conservative Protestants and Black Protestants are more likely than the average American to be divorced, with 17.2 percent and 15.7 percent of their populations being currently divorced, respectively," the report says. "Indeed, Evangelical Protestants are more likely to be divorced than Americans who claim no religion."
:coffee:
"Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children."
Family Research Council distorts researcher’s work a decade after he demanded a retraction

June 10, 2002
Timothy J. Dailey, Ph.D.
FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL
801 G Street N.W.
Washington, DC 2001

Dear Dr. Dailey:

On the web site www.frc.org you reference my work in your article on “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse”. I am writing you to object to my name and research being associated in any way, shape, or form to lend legitimacy to the views proposed in your paper.

If you are, in fact, familiar with my research, you must realize that my studies have indicated that homosexual males pose less risk of sexual harm to children (both male and female)—from both an absolute and a percentage incidence rate—than heterosexual males. Your statement that “the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners” appears to come from the assumption that if an adult male is attracted to a male child, this adult male’s sexual orientation is ipso facto homosexual.

Since your report, in my view, misrepresents the facts of what we know about this matter from scientific investigation, and does not indicate that my studies on this topic reach conclusions diametrically opposed to yours; I would appreciate your removing any reference to my work in your paper lest it appear to the reader that my research supports your views.

Yours truly,
A. Nicholas Groth, Ph.D.
if a male is attracted to a male he isn't a homosexual ? LOL, guess the gay mafia came knocking at his door

 
MAHER: What do you think about the Mozilla CEO having to step down over his donation to a pro-Proposition 8 group.

The Mozilla -- which I'm wearing right now, by the way. I didn't know what Mozilla was. I saw it on my computer, but -- it's Firefix, right? It's the browser.

So this guy apparently does not want gay people to get married and he had to step down. What do you think of that, the question asks.

FMR. REP. TOM DAVIS (R-VA): Because he gave $1,000 eight years ago and it's come back to haunt him.

CARRIE SHEFFIELD, FORBES: Well, and he gave it when President Obama was still against gay marriage. So, I don't think it's very fair.

MAHER: Good point. Also, I think there is a gay mafia. I think if you cross them, you do get whacked.

 
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