The Giants O Line (1 Viewer)

[biggamer3]

I was saying this last year that it was a disgrace none of them got Probowl consideration.

This year if Snee and Ohara dont make it, its a travesty.

Deihl and Mackenzie are playing great as well.

The great news is that GM Reese (best in biz) has signed the ENTIRE unit for at least 4 more seasons

 

[harryhood]

I was saying this last year that it was a disgrace none of them got Probowl consideration.This year if Snee and Ohara dont make it, its a travesty.Deihl and Mackenzie are playing great as well.The great news is that GM Reese (best in biz) has signed the ENTIRE unit for at least 4 more seasons

 

[Phurfur]

I was saying this last year that it was a disgrace none of them got Probowl consideration.

This year if Snee and Ohara dont make it, its a travesty.

Deihl and Mackenzie are playing great as well.

The great news is that GM Reese (best in biz) has signed the ENTIRE unit for at least 4 more seasons

As long as the fans vote for the pro bowlers the whole process is meaningless. Look at last years team.

 

[qimqam]

That makes sense since the Giants are the most underatted team as a whole.

Can we finally get some respect? Won the Super Bowl, beat the Skins and undefeated.

Stop with Dallas, San Diego etc... the Giants are the best team in football until proven otherwise.

 

[biggamer3]

That makes sense since the Giants are the most underatted team as a whole.Can we finally get some respect? Won the Super Bowl, beat the Skins and undefeated.Stop with Dallas, San Diego etc... the Giants are the best team in fotball until proven otherwise.

San Diego is 2-3, love how they are even in the discussion for best team

 

[The_Fonz]

I often wonder if Warner would have had any success with a better O-line. At that time they were in shambles, even Eli was running for his life when he first got in. They have grown up together and solidified. I love Eli and love the Giants but you have to give it to that O line, they are making everyone look great. I am more impressed with this team every week. GO GIANTS!!!!

 

[SSOG]

People in the know know how good the Giants line is. Chris Smith had them rated as the second best O-Line in the league coming into this year, lagging behind San Diego only in terms of depth.

You want to talk about underrated units... how about the Denver Broncos offensive line? They've only given up 1 sack on the year (official NFL stats say they've given 2, but one of those "sacks" was the blown fumble call against SD where no defender so much as laid a finger on Cutler). And they've done this despite ranking 2nd in the league in passing attempts. And their running game has been awesome, too, though you wouldn't know it from the aggregate numbers (which suffer from a massive disparity in runass ratio). Coming into the season, they were viewed as a middle-of-the-pack unit if you were feeling generous. So far this season, they have to have been one of the three best lines in the league.

 

[FavreCo]

The Giants need to go 4 wide and let it fly with that OL.

Burress, Toomer, Smith, Hixon/Moss. Hell, cut Burress. He's never in the right place anyway. I always wondered if it was inaccuracy with Manning or just sucky route running by Burress. I knew it was sucky play by Shockey. That guy had no clue where to be.

Eli's best day ever is without Shockey or Burress screwing up routes.

 

[Avery]

That makes sense since the Giants are the most underatted team as a whole.Can we finally get some respect? Won the Super Bowl, beat the Skins and undefeated.Stop with Dallas, San Diego etc... the Giants are the best team in football until proven otherwise.

Shhh...Let ESPN keep saying how Dallas is the favorite to win the division and the NFC.Let Resdskins and Eagles fans fight over which of them is the best team in the NFC East.Meanwhile, let the Giants quietly go about their business and legitimately play the disrespect card while they defend their title.

 

[Bankerguy]

That makes sense since the Giants are the most underatted team as a whole.

Can we finally get some respect? Won the Super Bowl, beat the Skins and undefeated.

Stop with Dallas, San Diego etc... the Giants are the best team in football until proven otherwise.

Shhh...Let ESPN keep saying how Dallas is the favorite to win the division and the NFC.

Let Resdskins and Eagles fans fight over which of them is the best team in the NFC East.

Meanwhile, let the Giants quietly go about their business and legitimately play the disrespect card while they defend their title.

I haven't heard that schtick from ESPN since pre-season.They are too busy analyzing what TO says and what impact it has on the locker room. You know hard hitting stuff like that.

As far as the G-Men O-line goes. I think they were under rated last year. However, as already noted in the thread....most people who know give the Giants lots of love, deservedly so.

 

[biggamer3]

The craziest stat about this o Line is here: the YPC

Brandon Jacobs 4 65 380 95.0 5.8 44 3 0 0

Derrick Ward 4 33 217 54.3 6.6 22 0 0 0

Ahmad Bradshaw 4 18 119 29.8 6.6

 

[Construction Man Jim]

People in the know know how good the Giants line is. Chris Smith had them rated as the second best O-Line in the league coming into this year, lagging behind San Diego only in terms of depth. You want to talk about underrated units... how about the Denver Broncos offensive line? They've only given up 1 sack on the year (official NFL stats say they've given 2, but one of those "sacks" was the blown fumble call against SD where no defender so much as laid a finger on Cutler). And they've done this despite ranking 2nd in the league in passing attempts. And their running game has been awesome, too, though you wouldn't know it from the aggregate numbers (which suffer from a massive disparity in runass ratio). Coming into the season, they were viewed as a middle-of-the-pack unit if you were feeling generous. So far this season, they have to have been one of the three best lines in the league.

Chris was a little late to the party... The year prior he seriously underrated them because he didn't think Diehl and Seubert could get it done on the left side.

New York GiantsOverall OL rank 2007: 24th2006 Statistics: 2,156 rushing yards (7th); 4.7 YPC (6th), 14 rushing touchdowns (11th), 20.9 Sacks / PA (6th), Avg. Rank (8th)Run blocking rank: 27thPass blocking rank: 24thDepth: BCohesion: C+Experience: BProjected StartersLT David Diehl: rank - 28thLG Rich Seubert: rank - 29thC Shaun O'Hara: rank - 13thRG Chris Snee: rank - 5thRT Kareem McKenzie: rank - 20thKey Backups: Guy Whimper, Gray Ruegamer,, Adam Koets, Zach PillerTeam Notes * The battle for the starting LT spot for the New York Giants is becoming a blowout. OT Guy Whimper has struggled with backup defensive linemen. This would mean OG David Diehl would start at LT instead of LG, which would create another hole. * Piller may compete with Rich Seubert for a starting position although it appears to be Seubert's spot to lose.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

That makes sense since the Giants are the most underatted team as a whole.Can we finally get some respect? Won the Super Bowl, beat the Skins and undefeated.Stop with Dallas, San Diego etc... the Giants are the best team in football until proven otherwise.

Shhh...Let ESPN keep saying how Dallas is the favorite to win the division and the NFC.Let Resdskins and Eagles fans fight over which of them is the best team in the NFC East.Meanwhile, let the Giants quietly go about their business and legitimately play the disrespect card while they defend their title.

4-0 with a solid opportunity to go 6-0 before the schedule stiffens a bit. They were opening big holes yesterday

 

[cowboyz]

run blocking wise they're very good. that's pretty clear when they can just plug in any rb and have success.

but passing wise, eh. i'm not sure they can hold up.

with their solid defense and good run game, they haven't really been asked to just air it out everydown.

 

[Rovers]

MOST undetr rated O line? I would not go that far. They are in the top three in the NFL as far as run blocking goes. The pass blocking isn't near as good. 4 wide? No, they aren't THAT good at pass blocking, McKenzie in particular. The Giants regularly keep the TE in to help him block on passing downs.

I WILL agree that the Giants went into this season as the most under rated TEAM.... I think they will return to the SUPE. Eli has matured into a fine QB, the trio of Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw is tough to beat, and they have talent at WR. The defense is solid, very, if not overpowering. As long as the D keeps up the pass rush, even without Strahan and and "Little Strahan" (Osi) the D will disrupt almost any offense they go up against.

 

[SSOG]

I will definitely say that I was wrong on Eli Manning. He's definitely a much better QB than he was even just 12 short months ago.

 

[Avery]

I will definitely say that I was wrong on Eli Manning. He's definitely a much better QB than he was even just 12 short months ago.

So you're saying he's not the worst regular starting QB in the league anymore?

 

[biggamer3]

Tom Jackson on ESPN said the Gmen have the best unit in the league, its OUT now!

didnt know Jackson reads FBG

 

[SSOG]

I will definitely say that I was wrong on Eli Manning. He's definitely a much better QB than he was even just 12 short months ago.

So you're saying he's not the worst regular starting QB in the league anymore?

Yup. I'm not ready to put him up with the true superstars (Manningv1.0, Brady, Brees, Romo, Cutler, Roethlisberger), but it's looking more and more like he deserves a place among the "very good QBs" like Rivers, Favre (post-retirement tour), Palmer (post fall-from-grace), Garrard, etc.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Who is underrating the Giants O-line? I have heard nothing but great things about them.

 

[kaa]

And the amazing this ... to this day ... I will get fellow Browns fans that tell me the Cleveland OL is fine after just one draft where we get Joe Thomas and we can focus elsewhere. IMO you need an eternal pipeline of talent to the lines of scrimmage. The Giants are the latest example. A strong OL, and it doesn't matter WHO runs the ball they all are effective.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

Yup. I'm not ready to put him up with the true superstars (Manningv1.0, Brady, Brees, Romo, Cutler, Roethlisberger), but it's looking more and more like he deserves a place among the "very good QBs" like Rivers, Favre (post-retirement tour), Palmer (post fall-from-grace), Garrard, etc.

I usually respect your take, SSOG, but at this moment -- October 8, 2008 at 3:34 EST -- this is crazy talk. Peyton, Brady, Brees -- that's it, end of discussion. He has 13 TDs (1 rushing) vs. 2 INT, an 8-0 record, and a Super Bowl MVP trophy in his last 8 games. What more do want the guy to do?

 

[Koya]

Yup. I'm not ready to put him up with the true superstars (Manningv1.0, Brady, Brees, Romo, Cutler, Roethlisberger), but it's looking more and more like he deserves a place among the "very good QBs" like Rivers, Favre (post-retirement tour), Palmer (post fall-from-grace), Garrard, etc.

I usually respect your take, SSOG, but at this moment -- October 8, 2008 at 3:34 EST -- this is crazy talk. Peyton, Brady, Brees -- that's it, end of discussion. He has 13 TDs (1 rushing) vs. 2 INT, an 8-0 record, and a Super Bowl MVP trophy in his last 8 games. What more do want the guy to do?

1. Eli does not yet to be considered "elite" - that goes to Brady who is in his own world, followed by the Other manning (who would be on par with brady if he, well, won some more big games).2. After Brady, and then the sub tier of Peyton Manning, a LOT is up to debate. BUT, a couple things are not up to debate: Jay Cutler has about 5 games under his "close to elite" belt. None of them were big games. He is not yet in this discussion. If we want to talk most TALENTED QB, ok... but Jay is not up with Eli yet. Eli has won. Speaking of winning, while Cutler has not had the chance to show if he will win the big one, Romo has, more than once, demonstrated that he can NOT. Now this can change, but until it does, Eli was the single biggest reason in regard to one player, for that Giants super bowl. Romo was a very big reason that Dallas has not won even one playoff game in two years. Again, talent? Sure. Better QB? Win ONE playoff game first?To put Eli on par with Palmer whom has been terrible and has never won a big game, and Rivers who showed tremendous guts last year but has shown a lot to be desired this year, seems to suggest a lot of Hate-Eli is still around.Roth's for all his ups and downs at times has the talent, the heart AND THE VICTORIES to be included in that tier below Brady and Peyton. The other guys? Try winning something first.

 

[SSOG]

Yup. I'm not ready to put him up with the true superstars (Manningv1.0, Brady, Brees, Romo, Cutler, Roethlisberger), but it's looking more and more like he deserves a place among the "very good QBs" like Rivers, Favre (post-retirement tour), Palmer (post fall-from-grace), Garrard, etc.

I usually respect your take, SSOG, but at this moment -- October 8, 2008 at 3:34 EST -- this is crazy talk. Peyton, Brady, Brees -- that's it, end of discussion. He has 13 TDs (1 rushing) vs. 2 INT, an 8-0 record, and a Super Bowl MVP trophy in his last 8 games. What more do want the guy to do?

How about do it for more than 8 games? Season's 16 games, last I checked. That 8 game sample size is awfully convenient. Why'd you choose 8 games? Could it because in the 5 games before that sample, his QB rating was 32.2, 52.1, 88.0, 63.0, and 33.8? Or that, in 4 seasons so far, he's yet to break a QB rating of 77 for a season?Eli Manning has had a great 5-game start to his season. Rex Grossman in 2006 opened with a 10:3 TD:INT ratio and four games with a rating of 98 or higher. Eli Manning has taken great strides over the past year, but 8 good games is not enough to completely erase 4 blech-inspiring years. I'm not going to call him the 4th best QB in the league because he's had 8 great games.Edit: Also, I hate all of this "big game" nonsense. Was Elway a better QB in 1998 than he was in 1988?