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The Great 2020 All Time Movie Draft- The judging is heavily biased against me. It’s a hoax! Fake news. (7 Viewers)
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Nick Vermeil
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With the kiddos today so it will be a Monday morning finale.@Nick Vermeil - we are finally ready for you!
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Who's ready to end this misery?
GOAT Movie
Refresher on criteria, with a few changes
30% just my opinion overall
10% directing 15% Directing
15% cinematography, production design, editing and effects if warranted
10% music and sound
10% writing
10% cast, acting
5% critical reception/awards
5% audience reception/box office/rewatchability
#16 Gladiator - 1 Point
"Joey, do you like movies about Gladiators?" Yes, yes I do. And this is a good one. Doesn't really belong on this list of 16 IMHO.
#15 The Fisher King - 2 Points
Another very good movie that does not belong on this list. The cast is great, and it is wholly original.
#14 Nosferatu - 3 Points
For sure a classic that suffers in this scoring system from the superior technical aspects of those films above it.
#13 The Seventh Seal - 4 Points
Far superior to the 3 below it, it suffers for me on rewatchability in that I really don't want to. An important movie and very well written it would work better in the category "Best movie to discuss over smokes with your Film School girlfriend/boyfriend."
#12 Doctor Zhivago - 5 Points
Honesty I've never been a big fan. Despite it's obvious artistic merits I always found it far too long. I don't think it's even the best picture in it's year.
GOAT Movie
Refresher on criteria, with a few changes
30% just my opinion overall
15% cinematography, production design, editing and effects if warranted
10% music and sound
10% writing
10% cast, acting
5% critical reception/awards
5% audience reception/box office/rewatchability
#16 Gladiator - 1 Point
"Joey, do you like movies about Gladiators?" Yes, yes I do. And this is a good one. Doesn't really belong on this list of 16 IMHO.
#15 The Fisher King - 2 Points
Another very good movie that does not belong on this list. The cast is great, and it is wholly original.
#14 Nosferatu - 3 Points
For sure a classic that suffers in this scoring system from the superior technical aspects of those films above it.
#13 The Seventh Seal - 4 Points
Far superior to the 3 below it, it suffers for me on rewatchability in that I really don't want to. An important movie and very well written it would work better in the category "Best movie to discuss over smokes with your Film School girlfriend/boyfriend."
#12 Doctor Zhivago - 5 Points
Honesty I've never been a big fan. Despite it's obvious artistic merits I always found it far too long. I don't think it's even the best picture in it's year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What the ####. This is complete bull####. Do you even like movies?
I'm shocked I didn't get one point here to be honest.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
In all seriousness I know The Fisher King did not belong in that category but it's one of my favorite movies - and there really wasn't a category for it. It's sort of a comedy, it's sort of a fantasy (although they're all delusions), and it would get wiped in the decade categories as well.
The characters are great, the acting is amazing, the visuals are spectacular and the bond between Robin Williams and Jeff Bridges characters just gets me. They even managed to make Amanda Plummer seem adorable.
The characters are great, the acting is amazing, the visuals are spectacular and the bond between Robin Williams and Jeff Bridges characters just gets me. They even managed to make Amanda Plummer seem adorable.
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Charlie Steiner
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The first kiss between her and Robin Williams' character is one of the purest I've seen portrayed.
Well I guess we should have put Oceans Eleven here and kept Gladiator in the 2000's as that judge said it would have been in the top 5 and possible the top spot. I am glad this is over so I can switch my complaints to the TV judges.....
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
# 11 The Dark Knight - 6 Points
King of the super hero movies, this feels like the right spot to me on this list. Technologically sound, a world class performance, a top score, but doesn't reach the heights of those still to come.
#10 Ben Hur - 7 Points
Another movie that I think is overrated, it gets props for the production design and the amazing chariot race. I would have liked to put this at 16, but it outclasses the movies below it.
#9The Shawshank Redemption - 8 Points
A killer rewatchability score boost Shawshank higher on the list than it probably deserves to be. This is just a great movie, and one of the few where I can overlook the use of narration over cinematic plot advancement.
#8 Apocalypse Now - 9 Points
For anyone familiar with the making of this film (and my hatred of narration), you would be surprised to see it so high on the list. This film features some of the best cinematography and practical effects ever put on screen. The horror of war is perfectly captured and the acting is great as well. The film also has two of my favorite edits ever during the helicopter attack. Great movie.
#7 Sunset Boulevard - 10 Points
High scores in the writing, directing and acting category push this up the list. I had it as high as 5 in initial rankings but it kept sliding a bit as I found more love for those above it.
#6 Lawrence of Arabia - 11 Points
The highest ranking of the sweeping epics, this film has it all. Great score, great sound, beautiful cinematography, great acting, a focused script and amazing characters. Still too long, so suffers on rewatchability though I almost always watch some when it comes on.
King of the super hero movies, this feels like the right spot to me on this list. Technologically sound, a world class performance, a top score, but doesn't reach the heights of those still to come.
#10 Ben Hur - 7 Points
Another movie that I think is overrated, it gets props for the production design and the amazing chariot race. I would have liked to put this at 16, but it outclasses the movies below it.
#9The Shawshank Redemption - 8 Points
A killer rewatchability score boost Shawshank higher on the list than it probably deserves to be. This is just a great movie, and one of the few where I can overlook the use of narration over cinematic plot advancement.
#8 Apocalypse Now - 9 Points
For anyone familiar with the making of this film (and my hatred of narration), you would be surprised to see it so high on the list. This film features some of the best cinematography and practical effects ever put on screen. The horror of war is perfectly captured and the acting is great as well. The film also has two of my favorite edits ever during the helicopter attack. Great movie.
#7 Sunset Boulevard - 10 Points
High scores in the writing, directing and acting category push this up the list. I had it as high as 5 in initial rankings but it kept sliding a bit as I found more love for those above it.
#6 Lawrence of Arabia - 11 Points
The highest ranking of the sweeping epics, this film has it all. Great score, great sound, beautiful cinematography, great acting, a focused script and amazing characters. Still too long, so suffers on rewatchability though I almost always watch some when it comes on.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
i dont know what's left at the top, but this is some subtle borderline-brilliant grading right here. Both scale & storytelling get their due, but contribution to the art form gets a shading, too. even where i disagree, i cant really disagree. this is how it's done, kids -
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
oh, you mess the top, you gittin it...
ETA: but i didnt cheat a peep @ what's left (rare) outta respect for what youre building
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Nick Vermeil
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#5 Star Wars - Episode 4, A New Hope - 12 Points
Get your licks in wikkidpissah. But it's hard to argue that this doesn't belong near the top of the list. Box office, special effects, sound, production design, cinematography, rewatchability have to push it up the list. It's the bottom of the top tier due to some hokey acting and writing. It's the top of the blockbusters and a solid top five pick.
#4 The Sting - 13 Points
My second favorite screenplay in the category and everything about the production is in perfect sync. One of the best casts ever assembled and the score works perfectly. And the best pairing in the history of cinema. I would have preferred Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid but both movies would have been here in the mix...
#3 Manhattan - 14 Points
This will likely be the most contested ranking but that's what you get when you choose a former filmmaker who spent the majority of his life in New York as judge. I love this film so much. The best opening of a movie ever. The script is hilarious, I know these characters in real life and both love and hate them. The black and white cinematography is as vivid as technicolor. It's economical and brisk and has the perfect ending...
#2 Casablanca - 15 Points
... did I say Manhattan had the perfect ending? I meant 2nd best. And are we sensing a theme? You can't always get what you want unless it is fantastic black and white classics near the top of your GOAT list. Great villains, complicated relationships, intrigue, backstabs, Nazis!!! I will watch this movie anytime it comes on, so it tops the rewatchability ranking. Just a perfect movie on every level.
#1 The Godfather - 16 Points
The undisputed champion. Really not much to say. It was in the top 2 or 3 in every category I ranked and deservedly so. Really not much to say so I will stop right there.
Get your licks in wikkidpissah. But it's hard to argue that this doesn't belong near the top of the list. Box office, special effects, sound, production design, cinematography, rewatchability have to push it up the list. It's the bottom of the top tier due to some hokey acting and writing. It's the top of the blockbusters and a solid top five pick.
#4 The Sting - 13 Points
My second favorite screenplay in the category and everything about the production is in perfect sync. One of the best casts ever assembled and the score works perfectly. And the best pairing in the history of cinema. I would have preferred Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid but both movies would have been here in the mix...
#3 Manhattan - 14 Points
This will likely be the most contested ranking but that's what you get when you choose a former filmmaker who spent the majority of his life in New York as judge. I love this film so much. The best opening of a movie ever. The script is hilarious, I know these characters in real life and both love and hate them. The black and white cinematography is as vivid as technicolor. It's economical and brisk and has the perfect ending...
#2 Casablanca - 15 Points
... did I say Manhattan had the perfect ending? I meant 2nd best. And are we sensing a theme? You can't always get what you want unless it is fantastic black and white classics near the top of your GOAT list. Great villains, complicated relationships, intrigue, backstabs, Nazis!!! I will watch this movie anytime it comes on, so it tops the rewatchability ranking. Just a perfect movie on every level.
#1 The Godfather - 16 Points
The undisputed champion. Really not much to say. It was in the top 2 or 3 in every category I ranked and deservedly so. Really not much to say so I will stop right there.
Zow
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
see, now - i dramatically disagree w Manhattan & Sting being Top 5, but the cred you bought makes it work
and, yes SW4 is honestly terrible & singlehandedly ruined cinema, if not culture, but i probably would have ranked it higher
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
and 
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Go ask 100 random people if they've even HEARD of the movie Manhattan and get back to me.
Zow
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
ignorance may be bliss
but, Lawdy, the things it miss
but, Lawdy, the things it miss
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
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Nick Vermeil
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
hated it then (cuz it ran what i loved about Annie Hall off the rails), dont like it much better now, but it made trendsucking in NYC a (if not the) thing and the interplay between Rhapsody in Blue and Gordon Willis's b&w cinematography of New York, New York give it enough gravitas to be rated that highly *wince*
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I said earlier (probably four months ago) when it was drafted that I recently re-watched this movie for the first time in a long time and actually found it more creepy and disturbing than entertaining - and I love Woody Allen. The main premise is a 42 year old guy (Allen) dating a high school girl and no one acts like this is abnormal at all.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
I just want to be sure we're all ok with all the murders in those other movies.
(not condoning child dating, to be clear!)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
If the guy who wrote and starred in the movie was also a murderer, it might be a bit uncomfortable.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not trying to make any overreaching statement or criticizing the rankings in anyway. I was just surprised by that plotpoint and that no other characters thought it was wrong. They had casual conversations about his relationship which was in essence statutory rape. Maybe it was just different at that time in history as I was a kid.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The 70s were a strange time. I don’t think this was really seen as all that bad. When I started teaching, some of the old timers said they knew teachers and students who were openly dating. Even wearing the kids varsity sweater and what not. She said they were usually seniors and right out of college teachers and the community didn’t think anything of it.
True and I don’t judge movies based so much on the people who made them. I’ll still watch a Polanski or Spacey movie. It just adds a bit more to the creepy factor with Manhattan.
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mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Thanks to all the Judges, this has been an interesting ride to say the least. I have never done one of these drafts before and the drafting is quite fun. The judging is definitely a free for all and an animal of its own and I've come to the conclusion that it's quite a trip as well and you gotta just roll with it 
.
Judging is a thankless job but I assume everyone knew this already and enjoy that particular experience as well
. I drafted a team of most of my all time favorites and didn't really put much thought into the strategy aspect and didn't realize how personal the judges rankings could be, but the reality is, all of these experiences whether its in movies, music or tv are all personal and we all have our own faves. IMHO, the universal appeal of these drafts is taking the ride together which has been great fun.
For kicks here is my bottom 3rd tier team:
.Judging is a thankless job but I assume everyone knew this already and enjoy that particular experience as well
. I drafted a team of most of my all time favorites and didn't really put much thought into the strategy aspect and didn't realize how personal the judges rankings could be, but the reality is, all of these experiences whether its in movies, music or tv are all personal and we all have our own faves. IMHO, the universal appeal of these drafts is taking the ride together which has been great fun. For kicks here is my bottom 3rd tier team:
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
Awesome job - a TON of great picks in there.mphtrilogy said:Thanks to all the Judges, this has been an interesting ride to say the least. I have never done one of these drafts before and the drafting is quite fun. The judging is definitely a free for all and an animal of its own and I've come to the conclusion that it's quite a trip as well and you gotta just roll with it
Judging is a thankless job but I assume everyone knew this already and enjoy that particular experience as well
For kicks here is my bottom 3rd tier team:
It was a very competitive draft!
jwb
Footballguy
Yea, this was a really fun draft. Like every other draft, some judging spurred debate, but in the end, it's a pretend draft on a magic football message board, so it's all good. There were more than a few films I'd not seen or forgotten about, so that's always welcome.
Thanks to all drafters and judges. Good work, even through the multiple timeouts. And thanks to @timschochet for putting this together.
Thanks to all drafters and judges. Good work, even through the multiple timeouts. And thanks to @timschochet for putting this together.
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Thanks to the tremendous ranking of last for Gladiator team GallStein accomplished it's goal and finished with value score of -31 pts. I dare anybody to come close to that in any timmy draft in the future. I think it is near impossible to crest the -30 plateau.
The MVJ (Most Valuable Judge) for most points was @Todem with a 10.125 ppc over 8 categories judged. This judge knows his movies. On the other end of the spectrum we had @Don Quixote with a 2.33 ppc over 3 categories judged. Obviously, Team GallStein and Mr. Quixote won't be going on any movie dates in the future as our tastes just don't mesh...hahhahaha
It was an outstanding adventure and a bunch of fun. Thanks to all the judges (yes, even Mr. Quixote) for all the work you put in. These drafts wouldn't be anything without the judges. You guys make it fun.
The MVJ (Most Valuable Judge) for most points was @Todem with a 10.125 ppc over 8 categories judged. This judge knows his movies. On the other end of the spectrum we had @Don Quixote with a 2.33 ppc over 3 categories judged. Obviously, Team GallStein and Mr. Quixote won't be going on any movie dates in the future as our tastes just don't mesh...hahhahaha
It was an outstanding adventure and a bunch of fun. Thanks to all the judges (yes, even Mr. Quixote) for all the work you put in. These drafts wouldn't be anything without the judges. You guys make it fun.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes, it was ton of fun. Great work by all drafters and judges.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
LOA #1 with a bullet.wikkidpissah said:
No other film comes close to the epic nature, the scope, the score, the location, the script, the acting.
Immensely re-watchable.
Lawrence of Arabia - A River to My People
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
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Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Not with that score, it won't. Fabulous music and location shots. The cinematographer and director nailed it.
Ilov80s
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Ilov80s
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Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
It's exactly the length it needs to be. (Which is what she said.) Not everyone is into Short Attention Span Theater.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
LOA is only slightly less overrated than 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Faa2dHJNFqQ
Ilov80s
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
This means Hags and I win, right?
Great job Nick - I will tally the points hopefully later and post final results.
It makes me happy that 2 of my 3 favorites movies (the missing one being GFII) are the top 2 here.
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