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The Great 2020 All Time Movie Draft- The judging is heavily biased against me. It’s a hoax! Fake news. (2 Viewers)

Sorry. Ended up having hell day at work now I’m off and with kiddos today and tomorrow. Friday! Promise. 

 
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FYI, I made the Google Form for people to vote on GOAT Movie. Let me know when I should post it for voting to start. 
 

Eta: Nevermind, the judge has arrived 

 
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Nick Vermeil said:
Wait what?  I already did the judging and was asked to hold until the end. Not my game though.
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Oh Nevermind then. I thought we agreed to a group vote because someone/you dropped out. I guess I missed that it got picked up again. Or at least forgot. My bad, keep your rankings.

 
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Nick Vermeil said:
I took a “vacation” for a time. ‘Twas nice. But back now. 
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Gotcha, while you were gone I think we decided to just a big vote where we all have every GOAT movie a score and then used the score averages to determine a winner but since you have your list we will be good. Unless you go on another vacation. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
Gotcha, while you were gone I think we decided to just a big vote where we all have every GOAT movie a score and then used the score averages to determine a winner but since you have your list we will be good. Unless you go on another vacation. 
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I kind of think you decided that.  I'd rather having the judge do the job.

 
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That’s possible lol
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I think it was brought up because we were unsure of Nick's vacation length, and GOAT seemed to be the perfect category for a system like that.   

I for one am probably better off not having peeps like Mrs R and EY voting for Apocalypse Now, so I gladly welcome back Nick.  ;)

 
No one here on a Friday?  I'm giving this a go anyway.  

GOAT LEAD ACTOR

A refresher on the criteria.  

I ranked each based on my personal opinion of their acting and careers - 40%

I put together an aggregate score based on 5 random web rankings and my wife's - 20%

I scored an academy award hit percentage based on nominations -10% *Note, I weighted these so that Leading Actor nominations were more valuable than Supporting Actor nominations

I scored academy award hit percentage based on awards per role - 10%

I gave each candidate a versatility rating - 20%

Lower tier first....

 
LOWER TIER GREATS – I’m watching great acting, but I know what actor I’m watching as opposed to a character.

1 point – James Cagney.  In my opinion he would have been better slotted into the Movie Star category than actor. He had great versatility for the time, but his acting skill is limited against the competition by the time period in which he worked.

My Rank: 16

Favorite Role: Rocky Sullivan, Angels with Dirty Faces

2 Points – Gregory Peck. The clear number one for “Best Voice” category.  In my opinion he is the least versatile in the category, but he always delivers with his presence. 

My rank: 14

Favorite Role: Atticus Finch, To Kill a Mockingbird

3 Points – Peter O’Toole. He’s dinged here for never having landed an academy award win against 8 nominations. I think he gets dinged in my versatility ranking because he played so many period kings and leaders.  His performances are effortless, but always very much Peter O’Toole. It’s probably not fair, but he fits down here in the lower tier when the dust settles. 

My Rank: 10

Favorite Role: Eli Cross, The Stunt Man

4 Points – Al Pacino. I’m sure I’ll take a lot of crap for this ranking and honestly on first look at the list I would have said Al would be top five.  But as I got into the ranking he kept falling behind others. His late career has not offered up much for me to be interested in. He turns in the third or fourth best performance in his signature Godfather series.  I always know I’m watching Al Pacino no matter the role.  Love the guy, but he belongs in this lower tier. 

My Rank: 13

Favorite Role: Sonny, Dog Day Afternoon

5 Points – Henry Fonda. Fonda is the biggest drop from my ranking when factoring in the other factors, versatility being the biggest knock.  But I ranked him so high because I find him endlessly watchable and he selected great roles.  Bonus points for turning in such a great performance in his final years. 

My Rank: 8

Favorite Role: Norman, On Golden Pond

 
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MIDDLE TIER – The characters start to outshine the performers.

6 Points - Dustin Hoffman. I’m often uncomfortable watching Hoffman work and that is a compliment.  I think that’s intentional based on the characters he plays.  He has had incredible consistency over his career and remains relevant today though his roles have skewed toward supporting.  I thought he was great in Meyerowitz Stories a few years back. He gets a boost from the versatility score but dragged down by the consensus wife/internet conglomerate ranking.

My Rank 11, which is right where he sits after adjustments.

Favorite Role: Shifu, Kung Fu Panda (j/k.  Michael Dorsey, Tootsie)

7 Points – Spencer Tracy. Boosted by the awards category here.  He had great run, but I have similar feelings about him as Cagney and the time period of cinema. The acting craft has changed so much. But IMO he got much better as he aged culminating in some great roles in the 60s. 

My Rank – 12

Favorite Role: Matt Drayton, Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner (Along side top 5 GOAT Lead Actor Sidney Poitier)

8 Points – Sir Laurence Olivier. He is widely regarded the best Shakespearian actor of all time.   He overcomes a low versatility score and gets a boost from the award category with 9 (!) nominations.  He’s a great who played great, well known roles, but maybe didn’t have the meatiest characters to create from scratch. 

My Rank: 9

Favorite Role: Maxim de Winter, Rebecca

9 Points – Gary Oldman – The Biggest mover of the group from a near bottom personal ranking.  He is boosted by his versatility rating and his conglomerate score. There is no doubt that he is a great actor but I always think of him more as a supporting player.  I guess that will change more as he ages.

My Rank: 15

Favorite Role: Sid Vicious, Sid and Nancy (but really Drexl in True Romance)

10 Points – Robert Duvall. I love the smell of Duvall in anything.  Again though he is someone who’s supporting roles perhaps overshadow his leading ones.  But he is so damn good in everything.  Even though I lowered the impact he is lifted by his supporting wins as well as my rank. 

My Rank: 7                                                                                                                         

Favorite Role: Bull Meechum, The Great Santini

11 Points – Jack Lemmon. One of the best comedic actors and he could just rip your heart out with his serious roles.  And he just got better with age bridging the different styles as cinema matured.  He’s so good I’ll even stop surfing and watch him in Grumpy Old Men. He slips on the conglomerate ranking. 

My Rank: 4

Favorite Role: Shelley Levene, Glengarry Glen Ross

 
Nick Vermeil said:
LOWER TIER GREATS – I’m watching great acting, but I know what actor I’m watching as opposed to a character.

1 point – James Cagney.  In my opinion he would have been better slotted into the Movie Star category than actor. He had great versatility for the time, but his acting skill is limited against the competition by the time period in which he worked.

My Rank: 16

Favorite Role: Rocky Sullivan, Angels with Dirty Faces

2 Points – Gregory Peck. The clear number one for “Best Voice” category.  In my opinion he is the least versatile in the category, but he always delivers with his presence. 

My rank: 14

Favorite Role: Atticus Finch, To Kill a Mockingbird

3 Points – Peter O’Toole. He’s dinged here for never having landed an academy award win against 8 nominations. I think he gets dinged in my versatility ranking because he played so many period kings and leaders.  His performances are effortless, but always very much Peter O’Toole. It’s probably not fair, but he fits down here in the lower tier when the dust settles. 

My Rank: 10

Favorite Role: Eli Cross, The Stunt Man

4 Points – Al Pacino. I’m sure I’ll take a lot of crap for this ranking and honestly on first look at the list I would have said Al would be top five.  But as I got into the ranking he kept falling behind others. His late career has not offered up much for me to be interested in. He turns in the third or fourth best performance in his signature Godfather series.  I always know I’m watching Al Pacino no matter the role.  Love the guy, but he belongs in this lower tier. 

My Rank: 13

Favorite Role: Sonny, Dog Day Afternoon

5 Points – Henry Fonda. Fonda is the biggest drop from my ranking when factoring in the other factors, versatility being the biggest knock.  But I ranked him so high because I find him endlessly watchable and he selected great roles.  Bonus points for turning in such a great performance in his final years. 

My Rank: 8

Favorite Role: Norman, On Golden Pond
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Holy crap, Cagney is 2nd to none.

oh well

 
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TOP TIER – The true leading men

12 Points – Robert Deniro. This feels right to me because he has the lowest versatility score of the top group. He has had a wide variety of roles but can’t hide himself as well as the others.  But look at the characters he has played and it’s an amazing list.  Will watch him in anything. 

My Rank: 5

Favorite Role: Jack Walsh, Midnight Run

13 Points – Anthony Hopkins. Based on his entire catalog his roles don’t quite match up to the other greats in this list.  But his performance in The Remains of the Day has some of the most heartbreaking acting moments I’ve ever seen.  Oh, and Hannibal Lecter.  So I’m comfortable with this ranking. 

My Rank: 3

Favorite Role: Stevens, The Remains of the Day

14 Points – Tom Hanks. Recency bias at play here with this one.  But there are a lot of great performances in a career that could go on a few more decades.  I had him rated lowest of the top tier but the awards, conglomerate ranking and versatility keep him high. 

My Rank: 6

Favorite Role: Josh, Big

15 Points – Marlon Brando. Say he retires after On the Waterfront and A Streetcar Named Desire.  He still probably gets this spot.  He has more influence on modern acting than any other actor and is kept high on the list by all other judging criteria. 

My Rank: 2

Favorite Role: Carmine Sabatini, The Freshman

16 Points – Daniel Day Lewis. He has by far the fewest roles on this list, best nomination percentage per role, best hit percentage per nomination and sits in the top 3 for versatility.  When he plays a role, there is only the character.  He is, in my opinion, the Greatest Actor of All Time.

My Rank: 1

Favorite Role: Bill “The Butcher” Cutting, Gangs of New York

 
To sum up GOAT Leading Actor:

1 point – James Cagney

2 Points – Gregory Peck

3 Points – Peter O’Toole

4 Points – Al Pacino

5 Points – Henry Fonda

6 Points - Dustin Hoffman

7 Points – Spencer Tracy

8 Points – Sir Laurence Olivier

9 Points – Gary Oldman

10 Points – Robert Duvall

11 Points – Jack Lemmon

12 Points – Robert Deniro

13 Points – Anthony Hopkins

14 Points – Tom Hanks

15 Points – Marlon Brando

16 Points – Daniel Day Lewis

 
total fail on Cagney and Hanks

until you got to the top two, i saw two actors i could unequivocally put ahead of Cagney. he invented being charming & awful at the same time - the vital (and, yes, most menacing) element of movie acting -

i spent a weekend with Tom Hanks & fam (he was my gf's brother's NYC roommate) many years ago and i've rooted for him his entire career. but he personally ruined Bonfire of the Vanities and the Dan Brown series with his failure to process complex characters.

 
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Excellent work, Nick!  I wouldn't object if you had Pacino even lower, just for that hacky "Scent of a Woman" performance alone.  And I don't get the love for Hanks as an actor but seem to be an island on that.

I'm happy to see Duvall get the love he deserves, and that your favorite Hopkins performance is the same as mine, which was one the best performances I've ever seen from anyone.  :hifive:   

 
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I don’t argue with the ranking (because, eh, not sure who I’d move him in front of and I don’t have any skin in the game), but I do think O’Toole had some good versatility in him.  He was pretty funny in My Favorite Year, and I think is my favorite performance of his outside Lawrence.

 
Tough category to rank for sure. I’m pleased with Tracy’s ranking. He was basically a safe play assuming all his awards should prevent him from falling too low. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Wow that’s a bold take. Hopefully Wikkid never sees this. 
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i think she's baiting a trap to avenge my fail in low-ranking Claude Rains. i punished him for some bad overacts in Mr Smith and Robin Hood, whereas my acting hero has more overacts in his CV than Ida Lupino

 
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Standing through 46 categories (4 left!)

  1. ilov80s--450
  2. tuffnutt--424
  3. higgins--419
  4. triplemania--419
  5. Dr. Octopus--417
  6. joffer--405
  7. Doug B--403
  8. jwb--396
  9. Andy Dufresne--387
  10. EYLive--382
  11. Karma Police--380
  12. mphtrilogy--362
  13. timschochet--357
  14. Gally Steiner--356
  15. TheWinz--354
  16. Mrs. Rannous--324
 
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Standing through 46 categories (4 left!)

  1. ilov80s--450
  2. tuffnutt--424
  3. higgins--419
  4. triplemania--419
  5. Dr. Octopus--417
  6. joffer--405
  7. Doug B--403
  8. jwb--396
  9. Andy Dufresne--387
  10. EYLive--382
  11. Karma Police--380
  12. mphtrilogy--362
  13. timschochet--357
  14. Gally Steiner--356
  15. TheWinz--354
  16. Mrs. Rannous--324
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Team GallStein is continuing the free fall...………..plus we are at -19 on value at the moment.  I expect that number to get into the mid-twenties and push 30 by the end based on the judges that are left to score. 

 
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