The Great 2020 All Time Movie Draft- The judging is heavily biased against me. It’s a hoax! Fake news. (1 Viewer)

[AAABatteries]

What’s all this then?

Lead Actors coming Tuesday morning. 

Welcome back

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Point taken, but it's not like we are talking about the difference between Transformers 3 and The Godfather here.  

Yes, Grasshopper, it is.

 

[KarmaPolice]

If you guys think CE is Transformers 3 level terrible, I'd hate to think how bad you think his really bad movies are. 

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

If you guys think CE is Transformers 3 level terrible, I'd hate to think how bad you think his really bad movies are. 

Maybe bad enough for this show.  Used to watch it back in the day.

We haven't really covered Hook, War of the Worlds, and 1941.  CE isn't as bad as those.  It's just not all that good, either.

 

[Ilov80s]

If you guys think CE is Transformers 3 level terrible, I'd hate to think how bad you think his really bad movies are. 

It’s not that bad but Raiders is that good 

 

[KarmaPolice]

It’s not that bad but Raiders is that good 

I chalk it up to being one of those movies I was too late to the game for and saw it too late in life.  

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I chalk it up to being one of those movies I was too late to the game for and saw it too late in life.  

I don't see how.  It's not a kids' movie.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I don't see how.  It's not a kids' movie.

There is a decent level of 80s cheese with it -ie final scenes that I think are a tad harder to embrace if you didn't have a foundational love for the property.   I think this goes for a lot of 80s movies.  

Not sure how you would find people who haven't seen these movies that aren't kids,  but I would love a podcast that has someone watch 80s movies for the first time.  

 

[Ilov80s]

It’s not a kids movie but it has a children like level of adventure in the tradition of The Adventures of Robin Hood and Star Wars.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There is a decent level of 80s cheese with it -ie final scenes that I think are a tad harder to embrace if you didn't have a foundational love for the property.   I think this goes for a lot of 80s movies.  

Not sure how you would find people who haven't seen these movies that aren't kids,  but I would love a podcast that has someone watch 80s movies for the first time.  

What do you mean by that? The fact that they used practical effects (low melting point rubber versus hair dryer, for example) as opposed to CGI?

 

[KarmaPolice]

What do you mean by that? The fact that they used practical effects (low melting point rubber versus hair dryer, for example) as opposed to CGI?

Come on man, you have to know me better than that.    

JMO but when I saw the movie late in life, I didn't think it held up.  Not like an Alien, The Thing, etc.. type of practical effects driven movie has.   In general, probably not my type of movie to begin with either, but i thought 80s had a decent point of lumping it in with Star Wars.   I meet people that watch that for the first time in the last decade and think it's cheesy.   

By no means am I saying that it's bad, I just don't think it's best of the 80s great, and it's one of the many movies I don't understand the passion for.   As I have pointed out before, I am drawn a bit more to darker themes and I am more of a sci fi/alien guy, so it wouldn't be shocking to hear that I would grab Close Encounters first if I had the choice to watch either of these two movies tonight.  To be fair, it's been awhile since I've seen either, so my memory might not be as clear as I think it is.  

 

[Gally]

Come on man, you have to know me better than that.    

JMO but when I saw the movie late in life, I didn't think it held up.  Not like an Alien, The Thing, etc.. type of practical effects driven movie has.   In general, probably not my type of movie to begin with either, but i thought 80s had a decent point of lumping it in with Star Wars.   I meet people that watch that for the first time in the last decade and think it's cheesy.   

By no means am I saying that it's bad, I just don't think it's best of the 80s great, and it's one of the many movies I don't understand the passion for.   As I have pointed out before, I am drawn a bit more to darker themes and I am more of a sci fi/alien guy, so it wouldn't be shocking to hear that I would grab Close Encounters first if I had the choice to watch either of these two movies tonight.  To be fair, it's been awhile since I've seen either, so my memory might not be as clear as I think it is.  

I would agree if your goal is to fall asleep.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Come on man, you have to know me better than that.    

JMO but when I saw the movie late in life, I didn't think it held up.  Not like an Alien, The Thing, etc.. type of practical effects driven movie has.   In general, probably not my type of movie to begin with either, but i thought 80s had a decent point of lumping it in with Star Wars.   I meet people that watch that for the first time in the last decade and think it's cheesy.   

By no means am I saying that it's bad, I just don't think it's best of the 80s great, and it's one of the many movies I don't understand the passion for.   As I have pointed out before, I am drawn a bit more to darker themes and I am more of a sci fi/alien guy, so it wouldn't be shocking to hear that I would grab Close Encounters first if I had the choice to watch either of these two movies tonight.  To be fair, it's been awhile since I've seen either, so my memory might not be as clear as I think it is.  

I guess I still don't know what is meant by "cheesy" here. I equate that to "camp" and I don't get how one could think either Raiders or Star Wars as campy.

 

[Ilov80s]

I guess I still don't know what is meant by "cheesy" here. I equate that to "camp" and I don't get how one could think either Raiders or Star Wars as campy.

I don’t know if camp is quite the right word but bordering on it. Star Ward and Raiders are based on the old serials that were definitely B movies. The whole idea of them was to take something that was fun and low quality and make it slick and big budget. They were successful but imo retained a lot of the more popcorn qualities that appealed to kids in the first place. 

 

[wikkidpissah]

gotta think there's sumn subliminal about the reactions to CEotTK here. y'all have NO idea what Roy Nearys mosta y'all grew up to be...

 

[jwb]

I don’t know if camp is quite the right word but bordering on it. Star Ward and Raiders are based on the old serials that were definitely B movies. The whole idea of them was to take something that was fun and low quality and make it slick and big budget. They were successful but imo retained a lot of the more popcorn qualities that appealed to kids in the first place. 

Yup. Star Wars = Good guy in white, bad guy in black, plucky rebellion vs evil empire, cool anti-hero who ultimately triumphs, several comic sidekicks, and an old grizzled warrior coming back for one more fight.

All you need to go completely over the top is a captured princess... 

 

[Doug B]

I guess I still don't know what is meant by "cheesy" here. I equate that to "camp" and I don't get how one could think either Raiders or Star Wars as campy.

A lot of people use "cheesy" to mean "facile", "lacking interesting complication." A "just so" story where everything works out perfectly and the protagonist comes out unscathed and/or unchanged (in all manners -- physically, emotionally, spiritually). The resolution of a cheesy movie is typically a low-thought, unchallenging "happy ending". A few too many narrative threads are wrapped up too cleanly.

All that's not to say that a cheesy movie can't be great fun ... or even great, period.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Come on man, you have to know me better than that.    

JMO but when I saw the movie late in life, I didn't think it held up.  Not like an Alien, The Thing, etc.. type of practical effects driven movie has.   In general, probably not my type of movie to begin with either, but i thought 80s had a decent point of lumping it in with Star Wars.   I meet people that watch that for the first time in the last decade and think it's cheesy.   

By no means am I saying that it's bad, I just don't think it's best of the 80s great, and it's one of the many movies I don't understand the passion for.   As I have pointed out before, I am drawn a bit more to darker themes and I am more of a sci fi/alien guy, so it wouldn't be shocking to hear that I would grab Close Encounters first if I had the choice to watch either of these two movies tonight.  To be fair, it's been awhile since I've seen either, so my memory might not be as clear as I think it is.  

KP is coming at it from a realism POV and Close Encounters was the first sci-fi flick ever to 'attempt' this sort of realism.

The studios didn't want anything to do with it and refused to do any sort of marketing campaign when Spielberg forced them to release it.

It became a MEGA HIT due to the fact the studios didn't release a sanitized 50s schlock alien monster attack movie and actually had an intelligent conversation vis-a-vis film on the subject so word of mouth made the movie a MEGA HIT and I agree.

The movie was taken directly from blue-book encounter reports and one of the scientists was played by a former blue-book investigator.  Spielberg did extensive study on encounter reports, he was 'tapped-in' and it shows in the movie.  

Love Close Encounters, have been to Bear Lodge (aka Devils Tower) and have been many times and one of my sightings was in a National Park in Wyoming with a couple of buddies where a lot of things happen and where many top politicians and celebs and top industrialists live and hang out.  

By taking on the topic in a realistic way it made some top people nervous and that is why they tried to quash it and why it became such a hit.  People instinctively knew they were getting a peek into the true story which isn't a fifties alien kill and try to take over the world mantra that has become the brainless 12 year old boy norm that people vacuously follow.

 

[jwb]

KP is coming at it from a realism POV and Close Encounters was the first sci-fi flick ever to 'attempt' this sort of realism.

The studios didn't want anything to do with it and refused to do any sort of marketing campaign when Spielberg forced them to release it.

It became a MEGA HIT due to the fact the studios didn't release a sanitized 50s schlock alien monster attack movie and actually had an intelligent conversation vis-a-vis film on the subject so word of mouth made the movie a MEGA HIT and I agree.

The movie was taken directly from blue-book encounter reports and one of the scientists was played by a former blue-book investigator.  Spielberg did extensive study on encounter reports, he was 'tapped-in' and it shows in the movie.  

Love Close Encounters, have been to Bear Lodge (aka Devils Tower) and have been many times and one of my sightings was in a National Park in Wyoming with a couple of buddies where a lot of things happen and where many top politicians and celebs and top industrialists live and hang out.  

By taking on the topic in a realistic way it made some top people nervous and that is why they tried to quash it and why it became such a hit.  People instinctively knew they were getting a peek into the true story which isn't a fifties alien kill and try to take over the world mantra that has become the brainless 12 year old boy norm that people vacuously follow.

I agree with the anti-schlock being a plus for CE.

I remember when it came out. I was 11, and Star-Wars'd out of my mind at the time. CE was seen as the "adult" space movie. It was also somewhat "real" in the sense that "UFO's" and alien abductions were probably at a high point in the public eye - things like Bigfoot, UFO's, The Bermuda Triangle... all pretty big in the mid to late 70's. I also remember my (fairly educated) aunt and uncle telling my parents "oh, you HAVE to see this - it's an important film". 

 

[Ilov80s]

I hadn’t seen CE until a couple years ago so the whole serious approach in the face of the Star Wars wave that preceded it didn’t really factor into my viewing of it. I just though it was as was boring. I’ll give it another shot now that I know it’s not going to be a typical Spielberg film.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I guess I still don't know what is meant by "cheesy" here. I equate that to "camp" and I don't get how one could think either Raiders or Star Wars as campy.

The end scene with the ark and the deaths is a bit dated and doesn't hold up.  There was something else, but like I said - it's been a bit.    

I thought some of the point was a bit of camp and echoing old serials?

ETA:  I see 80s addressed my point about the serials in the post after yours. 

 

[Doug B]

It was also somewhat "real" in the sense that "UFO's" and alien abductions were probably at a high point in the public eye - things like Bigfoot, UFO's, The Bermuda Triangle... all pretty big in the mid to late 70's. 

Just a quick tangent:

Does anyone else remember the amount of paranormal reading material available back then that was aimed at children? I remember both my elementary school and middle school library having dozens of books about UFOs, Sasquatch/Yeti, Bermuda Triangle, ESP, telekinesis, dowsing, ancient aliens, etc. There were even book series that were kind of like junior Time-Life or Childcraft books about these topics.

EDIT: And also educational filmstrips shown in class (public school) about the paranormal. Treated as a totally serious topic for inquiry in which the ultimate truth was not yet ascertained.

I are this stuff up back in the day. The fact that none of these things would ever get scientific evidence behind them ... that fact occurred to me slowly and gradually, over a number of years. The world kind of seemed a little less exciting after that, with some of its wonder bleached away. In retrospect, those feelings were just part of growing up and living in the "real world".

 

[KarmaPolice]

KP is coming at it from a realism POV and Close Encounters was the first sci-fi flick ever to 'attempt' this sort of realism.

The studios didn't want anything to do with it and refused to do any sort of marketing campaign when Spielberg forced them to release it.

It became a MEGA HIT due to the fact the studios didn't release a sanitized 50s schlock alien monster attack movie and actually had an intelligent conversation vis-a-vis film on the subject so word of mouth made the movie a MEGA HIT and I agree.

The movie was taken directly from blue-book encounter reports and one of the scientists was played by a former blue-book investigator.  Spielberg did extensive study on encounter reports, he was 'tapped-in' and it shows in the movie.  

Love Close Encounters, have been to Bear Lodge (aka Devils Tower) and have been many times and one of my sightings was in a National Park in Wyoming with a couple of buddies where a lot of things happen and where many top politicians and celebs and top industrialists live and hang out.  

By taking on the topic in a realistic way it made some top people nervous and that is why they tried to quash it and why it became such a hit.  People instinctively knew they were getting a peek into the true story which isn't a fifties alien kill and try to take over the world mantra that has become the brainless 12 year old boy norm that people vacuously follow.

I agree with the anti-schlock being a plus for CE.

I remember when it came out. I was 11, and Star-Wars'd out of my mind at the time. CE was seen as the "adult" space movie. It was also somewhat "real" in the sense that "UFO's" and alien abductions were probably at a high point in the public eye - things like Bigfoot, UFO's, The Bermuda Triangle... all pretty big in the mid to late 70's. I also remember my (fairly educated) aunt and uncle telling my parents "oh, you HAVE to see this - it's an important film". 

As usual, others put things in words a lot better than I do.  Great posts, guys.  

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The end scene with the ark and the deaths is a bit dated and doesn't hold up.  There was something else, but like I said - it's been a bit.    

I thought some of the point was a bit of camp and echoing old serials?

But again, that's where I ask "hold up compared to what?". They did their best with what they had at hand. 

You mentioned The Thing. I don't see any difference between the effects in Raiders versus The Thing. 

Or even compared to kids in "alien" costumes or the "spider" alien of CEotTK.

 

[KarmaPolice]

But again, that's where I ask "hold up compared to what?". They did their best with what they had at hand. 

You mentioned The Thing. I don't see any difference between the effects in Raiders versus The Thing. 

Or even compared to kids in "alien" costumes or the "spider" alien of CEotTK.

Again, it's been a while for a lot of these movies that we are talking about.  I should give CE another watch soon.  

When I saw it I remember a flash of a thought on the lines of "this is 10 commandments level rough".    I don't have those thoughts during movies like The Thing.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

 I feel a movie club duo in the future - Close Encounters and Raiders! 

 

 

[Gally]

I hadn’t seen CE until a couple years ago so the whole serious approach in the face of the Star Wars wave that preceded it didn’t really factor into my viewing of it. I just though it was as was boring. I’ll give it another shot now that I know it’s not going to be a typical Spielberg film.

I am in this boat.  I saw CE for the first time in the late 90's.  I had no preconceived notions or any influences other than it was supposed to be a good movie.  It was totally boring to the point I nodded off a few times and had trouble staying awake (this is not schtick....I really did nod off a couple times).  I just thought it was a bad movie. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Just a quick tangent:

Does anyone else remember the amount of paranormal reading material available back then that was aimed at children? I remember both my elementary school and middle school library having dozens of books about UFOs, Sasquatch/Yeti, Bermuda Triangle, ESP, telekinesis, dowsing, ancient aliens, etc. There were even book series that were kind of like junior Time-Life or Childcraft books about these topics.

EDIT: And also educational filmstrips shown in class (public school) about the paranormal. Treated as a totally serious topic for inquiry in which the ultimate truth was not yet ascertained.

I are this stuff up back in the day. The fact that none of these things would ever get scientific evidence behind them ... that fact occurred to me slowly and gradually, over a number of years. The world kind of seemed a little less exciting after that, with some of its wonder bleached away. In retrospect, those feelings were just part of growing up and living in the "real world".

SRI (Sandford Research Institute) used to test kids for psi abilities.  I'm sure they've developed more sophisticated ways to gauge if a child has abilities.  Their are people who want to groom and control anyone who shows 'potential' that can be exploited.  

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Just a quick tangent:

Does anyone else remember the amount of paranormal reading material available back then that was aimed at children? I remember both my elementary school and middle school library having dozens of books about UFOs, Sasquatch/Yeti, Bermuda Triangle, ESP, telekinesis, dowsing, ancient aliens, etc. There were even book series that were kind of like junior Time-Life or Childcraft books about these topics.

EDIT: And also educational filmstrips shown in class (public school) about the paranormal. Treated as a totally serious topic for inquiry in which the ultimate truth was not yet ascertained.

I are this stuff up back in the day. The fact that none of these things would ever get scientific evidence behind them ... that fact occurred to me slowly and gradually, over a number of years. The world kind of seemed a little less exciting after that, with some of its wonder bleached away. In retrospect, those feelings were just part of growing up and living in the "real world".

There was a book titled Chariots Of The Gods that had to be one of the biggest sellers of the '70s. That damned book was everywhere. IIRC, its premise was that aliens were responsible for advances in human civilization evolving.

You're right - this kind of stuff was all over creation back then.

Probably my favorite TV show for a couple of years was In Search Of.... hosted by Leonard Nimoy.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Probably my favorite TV show for a couple of years was In Search Of.... hosted by Leonard Nimoy.

Great show

 

[Ilov80s]

Yeah, as a tween anything like Unsolved Mysteries (I think Fox had a Friday nights called Sightings that I loved) was up my alley. I am not sure I ever really believed in the more fantastical things but I was titillated by them.  

 

[wikkidpissah]

There was a book titled Chariots Of The Gods that had to be one of the biggest sellers of the '70s. That damned book was everywhere. IIRC, its premise was that aliens were responsible for advances in human civilization evolving.

You're right - this kind of stuff was all over creation back then.

Probably my favorite TV show for a couple of years was In Search Of.... hosted by Leonard Nimoy.

Germany made a documentary of this that i believe was the first ever doc to be in  the box-office Top Ten for the year.

folks keep saying they saw Close Encounters late so have the proper perspective and can identify the corn for what it was. actually, pointing out the corn in blockbusters is about as difficult as pointing it out in Iowa State Fair portapotties, but that's a whole nuther subject. THE perspective on CEot3K is that every UFO sighting still made the frikkin 6 o'clock news when it came out. the function of the film, as others have said, was to humanize a mania about extra-terrestrial phenomenology that was dominating an age and it did such a thoroughgoing job that the subject almost immediately started leaving the mainstream for the bulletin boards of conspiracy theorists where it belonged upon its release.

 

[jwb]

Just a quick tangent:

Does anyone else remember the amount of paranormal reading material available back then that was aimed at children? I remember both my elementary school and middle school library having dozens of books about UFOs, Sasquatch/Yeti, Bermuda Triangle, ESP, telekinesis, dowsing, ancient aliens, etc. There were even book series that were kind of like junior Time-Life or Childcraft books about these topics.

EDIT: And also educational filmstrips shown in class (public school) about the paranormal. Treated as a totally serious topic for inquiry in which the ultimate truth was not yet ascertained.

I are this stuff up back in the day. The fact that none of these things would ever get scientific evidence behind them ... that fact occurred to me slowly and gradually, over a number of years. The world kind of seemed a little less exciting after that, with some of its wonder bleached away. In retrospect, those feelings were just part of growing up and living in the "real world".

There was a book titled Chariots Of The Gods that had to be one of the biggest sellers of the '70s. That damned book was everywhere. IIRC, its premise was that aliens were responsible for advances in human civilization evolving.

You're right - this kind of stuff was all over creation back then.

Probably my favorite TV show for a couple of years was In Search Of.... hosted by Leonard Nimoy.

Was thinking this exact same thing when I read Doug's post - In Search Of, Chariots of the Gods, Ghost Hunting, ESP tests using cards with shapes, Bigfoot appearing on the Six Million Dollar Man, etc. And I do recall my school library having tons of books on this sort of thing.

 

[jwb]

pointing out the corn in blockbusters is about as difficult as pointing it out in Iowa State Fair portapotties, but that's a whole nuther subject. 

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Was thinking this exact same thing when I read Doug's post - In Search Of, Chariots of the Gods, Ghost Hunting, ESP tests using cards with shapes, Bigfoot appearing on the Six Million Dollar Man, etc. And I do recall my school library having tons of books on this sort of thing.

That famous video clip of Bigfoot and the grainy stills of Nessie got more screen time than Nixon did in the 1970s

 

[Bonzai]

There was a book titled Chariots Of The Gods that had to be one of the biggest sellers of the '70s. That damned book was everywhere. IIRC, its premise was that aliens were responsible for advances in human civilization evolving.

You're right - this kind of stuff was all over creation back then.

Probably my favorite TV show for a couple of years was In Search Of.... hosted by Leonard Nimoy.

Big fan of Chariots of the Gods in middle school. I had it all figured out, man.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

Big fan of Chariots of the Gods in middle school. I had it all figured out, man.  

THIS book was my jam at about that age.   

The first book of the revolutionary Earth Chronicles series offers indisputable documentary evidence of the existence of the mysterious planet Nibiru and tells why its astronauts came to Earth eons ago to fashion mankind in their image.The product of more than thirty years of meticulous research, The 12th Planet treats as fact, not myth, the tales of Creation, the Deluge, the Tower of Babel, and the Nefilim who married the daughters of man.

 

[Bonzai]

THIS book was my jam at about that age.   

The first book of the revolutionary Earth Chronicles series offers indisputable documentary evidence of the existence of the mysterious planet Nibiru and tells why its astronauts came to Earth eons ago to fashion mankind in their image.The product of more than thirty years of meticulous research, The 12th Planet treats as fact, not myth, the tales of Creation, the Deluge, the Tower of Babel, and the Nefilim who married the daughters of man.

Heavy stuff, man. 

 

[Gally]

Only 5 categories remain.  What will be the next one to disappoint the many drafters that are waiting on pins and needles?

 

[Zow]

I pinky promise I'll have the 2000s out this weekend. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

Heavy stuff, man. 

Indisputable documentary evidence! 

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I guess I didn't fall for all that Chariots of the Gods crap because I was reading Isaac Asimov.  Von Däniken was an idiot.  Anyone remember Uri Geller?

 

[KarmaPolice]

I guess I didn't fall for all that Chariots of the Gods crap because I was reading Isaac Asimov.  Von Däniken was an idiot.  Anyone remember Uri Geller?

Not sure what a writer of sci-fi fiction has to do with an non-fiction author who provides indisputable documentary evidence.  

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Not sure what a writer of sci-fi fiction has to do with an non-fiction author who provides indisputable documentary evidence.  

I assume this isn't really a serious question, correct?

 

[KarmaPolice]

THIS book was my jam at about that age.   

The first book of the revolutionary Earth Chronicles series offers indisputable documentary evidence of the existence of the mysterious planet Nibiru and tells why its astronauts came to Earth eons ago to fashion mankind in their image.The product of more than thirty years of meticulous research, The 12th Planet treats as fact, not myth, the tales of Creation, the Deluge, the Tower of Babel, and the Nefilim who married the daughters of man.

I assume this isn't really a serious question, correct?

Did Asimov provide documentary evidence?  Did he do 30 years of meticulous research?   I think not.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just a quick tangent:

Does anyone else remember the amount of paranormal reading material available back then that was aimed at children? I remember both my elementary school and middle school library having dozens of books about UFOs, Sasquatch/Yeti, Bermuda Triangle, ESP, telekinesis, dowsing, ancient aliens, etc. There were even book series that were kind of like junior Time-Life or Childcraft books about these topics.

EDIT: And also educational filmstrips shown in class (public school) about the paranormal. Treated as a totally serious topic for inquiry in which the ultimate truth was not yet ascertained.

I are this stuff up back in the day. The fact that none of these things would ever get scientific evidence behind them ... that fact occurred to me slowly and gradually, over a number of years. The world kind of seemed a little less exciting after that, with some of its wonder bleached away. In retrospect, those feelings were just part of growing up and living in the "real world".

This was one of my favorites as a kid: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/chariots-of-the-gods-unsolved-mysteries-of-the-past/9657989/item/10975708/?mkwid=sepyUUBk|dc&pcrid=70112859672&product=10975708&plc=&pgrid=21517256472&ptaid=pla-866960426121&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_content=sepyUUBk|dc|pcrid|70112859672|pkw||pmt||product|10975708|slid||pgrid|21517256472|ptaid|pla-866960426121|&gclid=CjwKCAjww5r8BRB6EiwArcckC8EGcKHANGn5PQFmCnknJdpE5829hgb_aJc0uFSonmC7vtl8C4-coRoCqd4QAvD_BwE#idiq=10975708&edition=9058700

 

[timschochet]

and the Nefilim who married the daughters of man.

Sounds like Rush lyrics. 

 

[Doug B]

SRI (Sandford Research Institute) used to test kids for psi abilities.  I'm sure they've developed more sophisticated ways to gauge if a child has abilities.  Their are people who want to groom and control anyone who shows 'potential' that can be exploited.  

Interesting. The red and blue, read together, can lead to some deep rabbit-holes.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Germany made a documentary of this that i believe was the first ever doc to be in  the box-office Top Ten for the year.

folks keep saying they saw Close Encounters late so have the proper perspective and can identify the corn for what it was. actually, pointing out the corn in blockbusters is about as difficult as pointing it out in Iowa State Fair portapotties, but that's a whole nuther subject. THE perspective on CEot3K is that every UFO sighting still made the frikkin 6 o'clock news when it came out. the function of the film, as others have said, was to humanize a mania about extra-terrestrial phenomenology that was dominating an age and it did such a thoroughgoing job that the subject almost immediately started leaving the mainstream for the bulletin boards of conspiracy theorists where it belonged upon its release.

Not a fad, not fake.  

EDIT: And also educational filmstrips shown in class (public school) about the paranormal. Treated as a totally serious topic for inquiry in which the ultimate truth was not yet ascertained.

Truth should be taught and studied and not occulted away from the public.  

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

THIS book was my jam at about that age.   

The first book of the revolutionary Earth Chronicles series offers indisputable documentary evidence of the existence of the mysterious planet Nibiru and tells why its astronauts came to Earth eons ago to fashion mankind in their image.The product of more than thirty years of meticulous research, The 12th Planet treats as fact, not myth, the tales of Creation, the Deluge, the Tower of Babel, and the Nefilim who married the daughters of man.

Now I'm getting targeted ads for that crap, thank you very much.

Finger Prints of the Gods.  WTF?