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The Great 2020 All Time Movie Draft- The judging is heavily biased against me. It’s a hoax! Fake news. (2 Viewers)

timschochet said:
See I’m glad I changed the rule now, because I wouldn’t want whoever is judging this pick to disregard the awfulness of Eyes Wide Shut. 
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Even his "lesser" movies are interesting as all hell to me and I get something out of rewatches.   I've grown to love EWS more after rewatches.  

 
Andy Dufresne said:
And Scatman Crothers. Other directors have been able to extract great performances out of their cast without subjecting them to what Kubrick did.

But whatever, Kubrick is a fine pick for #1.
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Kubrick comes from a long line of obsessive tyrant directors who tortured those around them. They still exist today. One of the weird accepted things of directing. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Not really, if you consider the finished product. But when you listen to some fans citing it as a reason for him being the best, it's a little eye rolling. 
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Which part is the eyerolling part for you?    The attention to detail, the photograph quality of the movies, the 100s of takes?   

I think all of that is just a part of the detail and the interest in how he got there, but for me it's mostly about what I said in my right up - the overall very high level of many different genres.  

 
Charlie Steiner said:
Looks like I've missed those stories about him. Now I feel foolish for my last few posts.
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Maybe tyrant is the wrong word for Kubrick- just indifferent to people. He seems to view actors as props. He put some of them through some difficult experiences and really risked the safety of some of them. Though I don't think he was verbally abusive or intending to harm people. He just was obsessed with making everything and everyone look and sound exactly like how he saw it in his head. 

 
Charlie Steiner said:
Looks like I've missed those stories about him. Now I feel foolish for my last few posts.
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From what I've read, both are true to a point.  I've heard about him calling others in the dead of night to talk about the movies and get input, but he also had in his head EXACTLY what the take is supposed to be and didn't stop until he got there.   Maybe not the best way to do it, but it for sure showed up on the screen.     We have directors like him on one end, and somebody like Eastwood that I believe is known for the opposite - 1 to 2 takes tops.   

 
Ilov80s said:
Maybe tyrant is the wrong word for Kubrick- just indifferent to people. He seems to view actors as props. He put some of them through some difficult experiences and really risked the safety of some of them. Though I don't think he was verbally abusive or intending to harm people. He just was obsessed with making everything and everyone look and sound exactly like how he saw it in his head. 
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For me the line would be if/when he was intentionally abusive in one form or another, like with Shelly Duvall.  I don't know the Scatman story so I can't comment, but if it's like you're saying where his action directly endangered/harmed/traumatized an actor and/or crew member, than he has to come down a notch; he may have agreed to suffer for his work, but if he didn't warn those around him that they were going to suffer at his hands, that's not right.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Which part is the eyerolling part for you?    The attention to detail, the photograph quality of the movies, the 100s of takes?   

I think all of that is just a part of the detail and the interest in how he got there, but for me it's mostly about what I said in my right up - the overall very high level of many different genres.  
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It's the 100's of takes thing. And it's not really that he did it, it's that it somehow adds to his greatness. I don't agree that it does.

 
1.02 - The Godfather  (Greatest movie of all time)

Any write up I will do here won't do this movie justice.  It's my favorite movie of all-time and also the one I've probably watched the most.  For this draft it's versatility makes it a no-brainer selection.

Everybody's seen it and if you haven't you're a schmuck.  Cast was stellar and delivered a masterpiece that stands the test of time.  This movie delivers in all facets:  the story, the acting, the characters, the sets, the cinematography, the music, the dialogue.  I'd love to spend time talking about items from this list but don't want to spotlight.

Not only one of the most influential films ever but possibly the most quoted:

  • I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse.
  • You can act like a man!
  • Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
  • It's a Sicilian message. It means Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes.
  • She was beautiful! She was young, she was innocent. She was the greatest piece of ### I've ever had, and I've had 'em all over the world.
  • I am honored and grateful that you have invited me to your daugh-- ter's wedding...on the day of your daughter's wedding. And I hope that their first child be a masculine child.
  • But don't ever take sides against someone from the family again. Ever.
  • Do you know who I am? I'm MOE GREEN. I made my bones when you were still dating cheerleaders!
  • It’s not personal Sonny.  It’s strictly business.
The Godfather has not only influence our culture for decades but has influenced virtually every film and TV show in the genre that has followed it.

Awards & Accolades:

  • Academy Awards Best Picture  of 1972
  • 11 Academy Award Nominations in all
  • It was the highest-grossing film of 1972
  • At the time the highest-grossing film ever made
  • It was selected for preservation in the U.S. National Film Registry of the Library of Congress in 1990, being deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant"
For me, it is the perfect movie.

@joffer - you are up

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
It's the 100's of takes thing. And it's not really that he did it, it's that it somehow adds to his greatness. I don't agree that it does.
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I get that, and i am for sure not going to argue for that part of him.   The finished product?  100%.  But I am not sure any of us would know the difference in the shot if he put in shot 15 in the movie.   

I guess it just comes down to there being a lot of different types of directors - story tellers, ones that work with actors better, ones that are all about a specific shot, etc.  I am not excusing away the treatment of some of the actors, but I think a bit of that probably comes from his background.  I am guessing that directors who were actors first have a much different approach, and I would be surprised if any acted in the same way to get perfect shots.  

Are there any modern directors that have the rep for being overboard, too many takes, etc.?  I think I have a couple in mind, but not sure.  

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Godfather isn't even the best gangster movie.
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Part of the fun of this is going to see where people put these movies.  It's a reason why I didn't take a movie first.   Some of the highest rated movies are in that genre, so are they all going to be spread out, and lesser gangster movies battling for that category, or do several end up there and cancel each other out?

 
KarmaPolice said:
Part of the fun of this is going to see where people put these movies.  It's a reason why I didn't take a movie first.   Some of the highest rated movies are in that genre, so are they all going to be spread out, and lesser gangster movies battling for that category, or do several end up there and cancel each other out?
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I have a philosophy in life.  When drafting greatest athlete ever and Michael Jordan is there, you take him.  When drafting greatest movie ever and The Godfather is there, you take it.  If we do a greatest liquor draft next and I get to pick bourbon then I could die a happy man.  My desert island is watching Jordan and The Godfather on loop while drinking bourbon.  I win!

 
I wouldn't have picked The Godfather as my top movie, but I will say it's a good pick here because of all the iconic moments, the scene where Michael kills Solozzo and McCluskey is an example of tremendous build up just getting to the restaurant, and the payoff was pitch-perfect.  To me, the story and the characters were so accessible that it's no surprise we've spent the nearly 50 years since its release going over it and over it. Part of its greatness is how Coppola was able to get us to side with these criminals and empathize with them. 

Great movie, but at the same time I don't miss having it on my list. 

 
In an Accounting Information Systems course I teach, one of the assignments is to use technology (Excel, then Access) to determine the most popular movie of all time.  The determination is not by box office receipts, but I'll say no more until the movie appears.  It'll be interesting to see where it gets drafted.  

 
tri-man 47 said:
In an Accounting Information Systems course I teach, one of the assignments is to use technology (Excel, then Access) to determine the most popular movie of all time.  The determination is not by box office receipts, but I'll say no more until the movie appears.  It'll be interesting to see where it gets drafted.  
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Do you think telling what the formula is would be spotlighting somehow?

 
1.03 Die Hard, Action

welcome to the party, pal

ETA: think I’ll watch it tonight

 
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