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Can you explain this further? We have a housing crisis in this country because we aren't building enough housing in the affordability ranges of a large swath of the country. What is the government's role in that equation? Our federal government is responsible for a mere 1 million residencies (approximately). I don't have stats on the states and more local governments.
The government's contribution to the housing crisis has come mainly in the form of land-use and zoning regulations.
Definitely see these factors. The comment I was replying to seemed as if there was a larger role than this. That's why I asked the question. This is definitely something that local municipalities have an impact on. When people say "the government" they aren't usually talking about local governments.
In a rather large number of incidents these two groups are the same. In this country it takes one doctor bill or a lost job for a couple months etc to render a person homeless.
I get the anecdotes....I can give lists too, but in the other direction. It's probably more productive if we look at the studies rather than our personal observations especially in situations like this where it's not "either/or"
I don't know why anyone would. I certainly didn't ask you to. Point here is that we're talking about a national issue. Our personal anecdotes are rather useless when talking about that sort of scope. It's much more wise for us to look at what the national studies/research are saying.
For example, you say you see a bunch of homelessness BECAUSE OF drug use. How do you know that drug use caused the homelessness and not the other way around? This isn't some sort of gotcha question. There are tons of people who turn to drugs after they become homeless as a method of coping.
You're all over the place
This is what I responded to:
How about this.....for the bold, what did you use as your support to present this as a statement of fact for our national problem?
The people on street corners causing trouble and pushing people on the subway rails arent just unlucky down on their lucksters.
By that time, no. Nor was that my assertion. A great many of them started that way. I'll also throw out there that the "people on the street corners causing trouble" are a small fraction of the actual homeless people in this country. I feel rather confident predicting that people in this thread have people they know or run across in their daily lives that are homeless and they have no clue they are homeless. The face of "homelessness" in this country is MAJORLY skewed unfortunately.
About Two miles from my home in AZ a contractor purchased a parcel of unimproved desert. He plans to build 60 homes starting home is 1400sf and price before upgrades is $385;000. My daughter purchased a home in Tucson and we helped as did her in-laws with a cash gift, I think this is how young families are getting into these homes, help from parents or grandparents
You should review studies and statistics to see if your limited life experience matches overall trends.
https://www.hoover.org/research/only-san-francisco-61000-tents-and-350000-public-toilets
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/la-spending-837000-house-single-homeless-person-83072411
I am curious to see how this plays out over the next decade. There are various factors at play like limited new construction, low birth rates, increased immigration and increased investment ownership. In most cases, land is what has value. Many properties with existing homes would be more valuable if they were vacant lots. In San Diego, properties that look like slums on 1/10 acre are going for 1 million. I don't know what to expect in the future but it is certainly a good time to be a skilled trades person who knows how to manage money and projects.
Good post. Short term rentals in my area prime time Dec-Apr with all expenses covered utilities, etc $3500 tp $4000, rest of the year they go Air B & B route. Investors are playing the appreciation game, homes went up about 32 percent the last year in the west valley area.
That's an impressive thread. I am now following Ndamukong Suh on Twitter.
Yes. Ryan Leaf is another guy who, despite seeming like a jerk during his NFL career, has impressed me lately by having thoughtful, interesting things to say (one of several examples).
I had no idea he was an intellectual and I only really associate him with his dirty plays on the field. He got my follow too.That's an impressive thread. I am now following Ndamukong Suh on Twitter.
I've read most of that thread and almost every single thing he brings up is supported in the research and data. The symptoms we are seeing today are almost all traceable back to a few problems. Poverty, opportunity, lack of affordable housing, unemployment, illness/disability are all very common in the people I've ever worked with in the various states I've lived in.Joe Bryant said:
Yep. And they won’t get mental health care or addiction treatment on the streets. Wanna guess where they can and do get it?
The point is they don’t want the help. Help usually comes with rules and expectations. They want to be left alone and live the homeless lifestyle. They will take anything that’s free but if it means conforming to societal norms they aren’t interested. In many cases it is mental illness and drug addiction driving their lives.Those are the facts on the ground. Downtown Atlanta has always had a big homeless population. They sleep on the streets and in the parks and for many that’s what they want. Many have criminal records too. The only jobs they can get do not provide enough to make a difference. So they give up on life and live on the streets where they don’t have to conform and can be free. Free from the slave life most of us lead in our jobs.
He said, "This is going to get worse as mortgage rates spike."Joe Bryant said:
With all due respect to Mr. Suh he makes the case that higher interest rates makes it more expensive for hard working people to get in the door. I would say that low interest rates are the biggest problem contributing to inflating home values. He goes on to say that the people who bought long ago during the 2008 bust were already rich and are now really rich. I disagree. Many people who had average incomes scrimped and saved to buy a house. They were not all Blackrock.Joe Bryant said:
Do you work closely with homeless people, or people who have mental illness and addiction issues?
Not that I need your approval but yes among many things I have worked very closely with all the above. I know that many in here need to consult with studies funded by who knows who to make their conclusions but I prefer to rely on firsthand experience if and when possible.
Well, your experience working closely with the above doesn’t match mine. I’ll just leave it at that — our experiences are vastly different. Most of the homeless folks I know are desperate for help and permanent housing. Some of them aren’t — they are too deep in addiction or mental illness to ask for help, to want help, or to stick with the actions required to stay healthy. In my experience that’s a small portion of the homeless population.
Spend some time living among them and you will see what I see. Your experience is probably limited to a desk job.
Unlike the comments you’ve made, I respect and accept that we have different experiences on this topic.
