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The dropoff in the #1 kicker to the #12 last year was 1.3 PPG.In a 12 team league, if you had the worst starting kicker, you didn't lose games to kickers except for variance. Blaming it on your kicker is just a nice way of sidestepping what really happened.The only people who complain about kickers are those who lose close games because you waited til the last round to pick up Olindo Mare. Pick a kicker in round 20 instead of waiting til round 25 and you won't complain.
I think the correct answer to how to handle these leagues lies in here. Kickers are pretty reliant on matchups--just wish I could easily prove it.
Doubt you'd have to do much.Look at kickers outside the top 12 who have split stats in say, domes, that put them in the top 12.Look at vs opponents stats.I mean, those are the first two things to look at on the waiver wire usually. Is there a guy out there playing in a stadium where it's great to kick or playing against a defense that tends to give up fantasy points to kickers.When you figure there are usually only 11 kickers locked up in a given week it just makes sense that you can do better looking for a good spot in the pool rather than putting your head down and sticking w/ a guy unless he's one of the few kickers actually worth a permanent roster spot (your 1-12 split makes it pretty obvious there aren't many of those guys).Do some things where you match up 1-12 vs 13-32 filtered for only favorable match-ups for 13-32. Take 13-32 kickers in situations where they are either in a dome or against a lower tier defense. Would be neat to see.
Bingo. I love kickers. In fact, we also draft head coaches. +3 points when they win. BB/Dungy always goes first.Anything which adds a smidge of strategy to a draft, I'm all for.
Head coaches are neat.One of my favorite league also has 3 pt qb wins as a stat. Makes for some interesting start 'em/ sit 'em situations sometimes.
They probably put it in the same file where they put my letter suggesting they use a round ball instead of a prolate spheroid, that way it wouldn't bounce so funny, and make the game less subject to chance.I will go further then getting rid of kickers in fantasy football. I sent a letter to the NFL detailing how much more exciting football would be if the they got rid of kickers. They never replied to me.
Kickers are not football players. The last kicker that was a "real" football player was Jim O'Brien of 1970 Colts. Even though he kicked the game winner in SB V, he wasn't much of a kicker, but was a backup WR.
Do kickers impact football games?
They do, but so do punters. I don't see many leagues using them. The scoring difference between top to bottom doesn't make them worth using IMO. When only 41 points separate #1 from #20 I rest my case. I also think leagues should get rid of team defenses. Talk about a position that changes year to year and is a crap shoot most of the tiime.
did you lose to the guy that had Rob Bironas the week he had 8 fg's, dont be bitter
So they impact a football game but should not impact a fantasy football game. I don't buy that. And if you're frustrated with team defenses might I suggest IDP, you'll never go back.
The real question is SHOULD a soccer player impact a football game. It bothers me that real football players leave blood,sweat,and tears for 99.9% of the game so some skinny soccer player can jog out there and decide the outcome.:martingramatica:
So even though there's not much difference between the top kicker and kicker #20, you think kickers are useful in FF?
How much of a difference is there between WR25 and WR36? Should we get rid of WR3's too?
Let's compare apples to apples. How much of a difference is there between WR1 to WR20?
Not a good comparison. I may draft 3 standout WRs and field mediocre RBs. I may have 5 WRs on my team and strategize which 3 to put out each week. There's strategy involved. Not so for your kicker, unless you draft three and play match-ups. Sound absurd? It is.
I think a better way to use kickers in FF would be for everyone to roll dice for one each week. On second thought, that would waste a lot folks time on something meaningless, when all you have to do is close your eyes and throw a dart each week and not suffer for it at the end of the season.
Sandeman said:
Ahh five-digeters. Sigh.
Fill us in so that I'll be able to sleep.Lamer. You have no idea of my original board status.
I hate kickers.Don't care to justify it, but it just feels more random than every other position.I've thought about team kickers so I don't have to pick up someone new if my guys gets hurt, but I really like this idea. Makes more sense as special teams stats (punting, punt return etc.) seems to be the one statistical aspect of the game that is often passed over in fantasy football.
Agreed.
Well the real football players could always score a TD and decide the game for themselves instead of relying on a skinny field goal kicker....prosopis said:
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PS "digit" is spelled with 2 "i's," FYI.
