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The Lawyer Thread Where We Stop Ruining Other Threads (4 Viewers)

Well, we shall see in a couple months, but it went fairly well.  Female judge on the panel winked at me, which is always a good sign.

 
Henry Ford said:
Well, we shall see in a couple months, but it went fairly well.  Female judge on the panel winked at me, which is always a good sign.
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Nice.  You should casually ask her if she is as turned on by the Palsgraf case as you are and see where it goes.

 
Henry Ford said:
Well, we shall see in a couple months, but it went fairly well.  Female judge on the panel winked at me, which is always a good sign.
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That's cause you a handsome and brilliant fellow. Best of luck.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
Sometimes this job can be fun.  This morning was fun.  For now.
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Yesterday was day three of a messy divorce trial.  The basic run of the mill disaster case where one party, or quite possibly both parties, were lying, hiding assets, domestic violence accusations, can't agree on hardly anything, etc.  I believe the judge is going to rule in my client's favor on most issues but inevitably the client still won't be happy.  General, hate yourself domestic relations case. 

We finished early so I'm walking through the courthouse with general disdain.  As I'm walking I see a guy, presumably a defendant, walk into a courtroom with a 100% criminal docket and a judge who is a huge stickler for rules/etiquette.  The guy's shirt reads: "eat #####, chug whisky, hail satan."  I smiled.  The job instantly became fun again. 

 
While I'm shotgunning posts, I'll note that I'm currently preparing for the "scariest" trial of my life, which starts next week.  I call it the "scariest" because, in a rare event as a defense attorney, this is a case I absolutely should win.  The only evidence against my client are the varying, inconsistent, borderline nonsensical statements of a four year old who is now ten.  There is zero physical evidence or corroboration, zero statements against interest by my client, and several other potential culprits to point to. I spoke informally to the prior prosecutor on the case (who has since left the office) who candidly told me he almost dismissed the case.  I should rock this thing.  

But, if I lose, my client must go to prison for the rest of his life.  

 
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Zow said:
While I'm shotgunning posts, I'll note that I'm currently preparing for the "scariest" trial of my life, which starts next week.  I call it the "scariest" because, in a rare event as a defense attorney, this is a case I absolutely should win.  All the evidence against my client are the varying, inconsistent, borderline nonsensical statements of a four year old who is now ten.  There is zero physical evidence or corroboration, zero statements against interest by my client, and several other potential culprits to point to. I spoke informally to the prior prosecutor on the case (who has since left the office) who candidly told me he almost dismissed the case.  I should rock this thing.  

But, if I lose, my client must go to prison for the rest of his life.  
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No pressure

 
Spent a good portion of the day listening to, then cross-examining, a young child regarding her accounts of her stepfather anally raping her.  On Friday I intend and almost certainly will argue, in much more professional and elegant terms, amidst other burden of proof and third party culpability defenses, that she's a liar.  

I need 8 whiskies, like a month long golf vacation, that memory eraser thingy they had in Men In Black, maybe a muscle relaxer, a hall pass from my wife to get a BJ from Christy Turlington, a BJ from my wife (possibly simultaneous too the pervious need), and some time with my own kids in a setting from away from the courthouse.  Or some combination thereof.  

 
I'm trying to decide on taking a medmal case, I just don't know what the surgeon should have realized during several years of care.  

 
Zow said:
While I'm shotgunning posts, I'll note that I'm currently preparing for the "scariest" trial of my life, which starts next week.  I call it the "scariest" because, in a rare event as a defense attorney, this is a case I absolutely should win.  The only evidence against my client are the varying, inconsistent, borderline nonsensical statements of a four year old who is now ten.  There is zero physical evidence or corroboration, zero statements against interest by my client, and several other potential culprits to point to. I spoke informally to the prior prosecutor on the case (who has since left the office) who candidly told me he almost dismissed the case.  I should rock this thing.  

But, if I lose, my client must go to prison for the rest of his life.  
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"How can you defend all those guilty people?"

"Oh, that's easy.  Try defending an innocent one."

 
Thorn said:
"How can you defend all those guilty people?"

"Oh, that's easy.  Try defending an innocent one."
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I recognize its late on the east coast. But we finished a little bit ago. Jury deliberated for 15 minutes. Not guilty across the board. 

Just spoke to two different reporters and had a guy and his family pledge his life to me. Multiple beers bought by colleagues. Now sitting in a restaurant by myself with a bottle of wine. Absolutely fried. 

Thats 3-0 with clients facing mandatory life. Not sure if I could take a loss. 

 
Zow said:
I recognize its late on the east coast. But we finished a little bit ago. Jury deliberated for 15 minutes. Not guilty across the board. 

Just spoke to two different reporters and had a guy and his family pledge his life to me. Multiple beers bought by colleagues. Now sitting in a restaurant by myself with a bottle of wine. Absolutely fried. 

Thats 3-0 with clients facing mandatory life. Not sure if I could take a loss. 
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You'll probably have to take one someday.  

But not today.  Nice work, counselor.  Having a whiskey in your honor.

 
Zow said:
I recognize its late on the east coast. But we finished a little bit ago. Jury deliberated for 15 minutes. Not guilty across the board. 

Just spoke to two different reporters and had a guy and his family pledge his life to me. Multiple beers bought by colleagues. Now sitting in a restaurant by myself with a bottle of wine. Absolutely fried. 

Thats 3-0 with clients facing mandatory life. Not sure if I could take a loss. 
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Awesome!!! Enjoy the moment

 
Zow said:
i either saved a man's life today or kept a pedophile on the streets.  yay lawyering 
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Your job is to make sure that prosecutors need to carry their burden of proof before putting a man in prison for life.  

15 minute deliberation for not guilty means they couldn't.  There is no more important rule in our society.  You were a good soldier today, whichever thing you did.

 
Henry Ford said:
Your job is to make sure that prosecutors need to carry their burden of proof before putting a man in prison for life.  

15 minute deliberation for not guilty means they couldn't.  There is no more important rule in our society.  You were a good soldier today, whichever thing you did.
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Thanks.  I may or may not be inebriated and wishing I explored a career as an actuary. 

 
People think the second amendment is what stands between us and tyranny.  It isn't.  It's the sixth.

 
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Zow said:
eeither saved a man's life today or kept a pedophile on the streets.  yay lawyering 
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Early in my career I worked as a defense attorney.  We had a client, a psychotherapist accused of having raped one of his clients, a beautiful young mother of fragile emotional stability.  Our defense, one conceived by me, was that the women was experiencing powerful transference emotions and in her state had imagined a relationship were there was none, and upon being rebuked decided the imaginary sex was nonconsensual.  It was what we had.

The woman was unusually truthful on the stand in that she would allow that possibly she did not perceive the relationship accurately due to her psychological state before, during, and after treatment. "Anything was possible" though she felt certain of her testimony.

Our client was found not guilty and remained in practice.  Shortly thereafter he did it again with another patient in a more brutal fashion, or so the victim alleged.  I changed my focus to prosecution.  Defense work was not for me.  I found myself more conflicted than I had anticipated.  Intellectually I understood and believed the fact and the mental exercise that everybody is entitled to a defense.  I still believe that passionately to this day.  That defense, however, did not have to come from me.  I felt it should come from someone not just intellectually committed to the proposition, but from someone un-conflicted or less conflicted than was I at that moment about the proposition.  My emotional commitment was less certain than my intellectual commitment.

 Sometimes I wonder about moving back to the defense bar, now, at the end of my career.  I know that I will not for other reasons, but I wonder.  I always found the proposition of raising or emphasizing doubt more creative than the process of removing it.  That said one can be creative when painting by numbers, when constrained by lines, since, as it turns out, in law, there is infinite space between the lines.

Woz, you are a good man doing essential work.

 
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Daughter lives in Nashville. The owners of the duplex she's renting just told her they're raising the rent $400 next month. Only 30 days notice, yet she's required to give 60 days notice when she leaves.

Is this legal?

 
Bucky86 said:
Then I'm guessing it's legal. She doesn't need to give notice if she's at the end of her lease.

ETA: I'm assuming this increase is for 9/1?
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Yea, for 9/1.

Just seems wrong that she's bound to give 60 days, but they can spring the rent increase anytime they want.

 
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